This Player is the GOAT of Getting Hit by Pitches
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Getting hit by pitches hurts. One guy decided to do it on purpose and did it better than anyone who has ever played the game.
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Just so it doesn’t get lost in the sauce- Hunt was the first NY Met to be be voted onto the All Star team (1964) and not just appointed to represent the team as in their first two years of existence and I was there to see it at Shea stadium. He was a wonderful fielding shortstop.
BFDAH!
This man got hit a combined 16 times by Bob Gibson, Nolan Ryan, and Tom Seaver. And he kept going out there and digging in. He can flex that fact for all time.
Jim Bunning, Bill Singer and Don Cardwell were no slouches either
In 1973 I was living in Daytona Beach, home of the Minor League Montreal Expos and Spring training. One afternoon I went to a game and sat on top of the wooden fence (not very comfortable) in left field for a few innings directly behind the left fielder.
Expos were playing the Red Sox and Reggie Smith was playing centerfield for Boston when Hunt leaned into a pitch deliberately and got hit and ran to first.
Reggie apparently had never heard of Hunt because he yelled over to the Left fielder "Did you see that shit?!?!? He did that on purpose!!!! I woulda hit him in the head!!!"
Hunt even did it in Spring training...a legend when MLB was still great and not the garbage it is today RIP MLB
@@djf750 that's an awesome story
I’m your 150th like
Some men dream & some men do.
Ron was my favorite player when he was with the Mets. My father had season tickets to their games and he would often take me along with him. He would point at Ron when he came up to bat and say to me “That’s the only guy alive who could go up there without a bat and still get on base.” Mets fans, and some of their players too, were mighty strange people.
Wonderful story.
Very cool.
what about barry bonds, he played the entirety of 2004 without a bat
@@smoceany9478 Barry who? Never heard of him.
I played a double header against one of the teams Ron coached in the mid '90s when I was 15-16. I remember my coach/dad informing us on the way to the game who he was and what he was known for. He wasn't lying. Ron was a small, hard man who coached in overalls and sat on a bucket of balls the whole game. His team wasn't very talented but they were disciplined and played hard. They definitely did not disappoint as it was the most hit by pitches I ever experienced. He coached all his players to stand over the plate and they absolutely would not budge on anything close. It was almost comedic. He was a character. We swept both games. Good memories.
Pete Rose's career On-Base-Pct was 0.375. Ron Hunts was 0.368. Roberto Clemente was 0.359. That brackets him nicely.
Clemente had 1,571 more bade hits than Ron Hunt. Batted .273 career. Clemente hit .373
@@rayray4192 he gets on base
I've heard many legends about Bob Gibson, but I think the funniest one is that Bob Gibson had more control over his fastball than people thought. He didn't hit people because he lost control of his major heater, but instead because "he simply wanted to hit them". There were times where people have said Bob just felt like hitting someone, so he would
Or his “scowl”. According to him he just couldn’t see and was squinting
As a black man playing in a predominantly white sport during an absurdly racist era in America yeah, you can take a bit of that anger out on your oppressors
@@elcee3292 Which is why he shows Gibson hitting and injuring a...black guy.
Stop making everything about race, that's what racists do.
@@elcee3292 as an Eskimo in a predominantly uraguayan neighborhood I resemble this remark
In another part of the interview clipped early in this video, Gibson says something along the lines of "If there's a guy that doesn't like to be knocked down, I'll knock him down." He used his ability to hit players as an intimidation tactic, sending a message to opposing batters that the strike zone was his and anyone who entered it was trespassing. They changed the dimensions of the mound and strike zone largely because of his unprecedented success
New Baseball Historian SRS Video = Wonderful day.
I remember watching the Expos games in 1971 as a kid. Ron Hunt being hit was a recurring theme during the season. He had the reputation that he would do anything to get on base. I also have a memory of Expos broadcaster Dave Van Horne calling the 50th hit by pitch.
Ron Hunt is a baseball magnet…literally.
The intestinal fortitude of Hunt
There’s a fine line between guts and stupidity.
Ron lives just a few miles from me. He as been a baseball coach for decades. I grew up as a Giant's fan, and he was hit CONSTANTLY. He just didn't move out of the way. It was as simple as that.
my dad played for him when he was a coach, still keep in touch with him. i’m even sitting in his house right now celebrating his birthday
Nice footage in french from Radio-Canada.... My dad always told me Ron Hunt found a way to do it on purpose, and he really raised it to an art form, and you clearly demonstrated that... Cheers from a baseball and Montreal Expos fan in quebec!!
Ron Hunt's career OBP was .368. That was very good stuff in an era when no one was paying attention to that stat. And that includes several "pitchers'" years.
OBP is and always has been a more important stat than batting average. Leading the league in OBP should be recognized more than a batting title, yet still today it is ignored by the ignorant media and fans.
@@Rayburn58 Perhaps. But you can drive in only one run with a walk. A hit can get you up to four.
@@richdouglas2311 Like I said OBP is more important than batting average. It's all about reaching base safely. Joe Morgan was a career .271 batting average however his career OBP was .392. Far better than most career .300 hitters. Tony Gwynn hit .338 over is career and his OBP was .388. It's all about reaching base safely and OBP is more important the BA.
@@Rayburn58 Okay, but you're not saying anything different. So, I guess we're done. I stand by what I posted.
@@Rayburn58 LOL Actually it's all about good pitching and 3 run homers.
Always a pleasure to watch a new video about a piece of history from my favorite team ever, the Expos. Very nice work and channel, sir.
In case you're curious, Ron Hunt's 1965 injury that wasn't caused by a HBP was instead the result of Phil Gagliano of St. Louis running into him and separating his shoulder while trying to break up a double play. Hunt had just come back from a previous injury that caused him to miss the first month of the season, so except for a handful of games, he missed the whole season up to the beginning of August. A big blow to a Mets team that was pretty terrible to begin with, and he was their best player. I wonder if Hunt's 10 HR's as a rookie had anything to do with playing in the Polo Grounds.
Good on the Dodgers holding on to 2nd place in 1971 with 6 wins on August.
You have to admire the pair on this guy. Not even players like Mays, Aaron, McCovey or Bench would have done something like that to Gibson. Dusty Baker’s story about the first time facing Gibson is classic:
"'Don't dig in against Bob Gibson; he'll knock you down. He'd knock down his own grandmother if she dared to challenge him. Don't stare at him, don't smile at him, don't talk to him. He doesn't like it. If you happen to hit a home run, don't run too slow, don't run too fast.
"'If you happen to want to celebrate, get in the tunnel first. And if he hits you, don't charge the mound, because he's a Gold Glove boxer.' I'm like, 'Damn, what about my 17-game hitting streak?' That was the night it ended."
Kelly Shoppach sighting
Get on Base at all costs that's Moneyball....!!!!
"taking one for the team" and calling it Ronnyball , ouch!
He was 800lbs!
I know I’m a nerd because when I heard 13 standard deviations from the mean I did more than one double take because that is so so absurd… I wanna run the math on how statistically unlikely that is because damn…
As a fellow math nerd, I too was dumbfounded by this statistic. So I checked into what 13 standard deviations equated to as a ratio, and it's roughly 1 in 13 trillion. Now, I think it could be argued that Hunt's approach to hitting would skew this result considerably, but damn...
I just found out today that my calculator can't store enough digits to correctly calculate the ratio for more than about 7 standard deviations. Recalling this post I made a month or so ago, I feel I should make a correction, so here goes:
Scaling this back to 10 standard deviations, we talking about a probability of the order 1 in 10^23, which is already utterly absurd. Going 3 standard deviations past that should put us in the neighborhood of 1 in 10^30, more or less. Like, no way. As I suggested previously, Hunt's unique approach in the batter's box profoundly skewed these statistics.
First of your videos that I have watched in a while. Much improved quality and content. Keep it up!
hughie jennings poses like he’s hitting a tiktok dance
Cross putting Hughie Jennings in the same sentence as TikTok off our “things we never thought we’d see” board
Bob Gibson would've smiled at this one
The hit by pitch team to individual for Hunt was like the SBs for Rickey who had to go real fast
0:03 MLB Power Pros 2008 legend Ryan Garko, great 1B with tons of power you could get for cheap in season mode.
Excellent commentary and documentary. Loved it. Somehow this makes me think he should be revered more as one of the greatest of all time. He's one of my favorites now for sure.
I've had the privilege of witnessing Hunt's 50th hit-by-the-pitch in 1971. For him, it was just business as usual.
Ernie "Coach" Pantuso was the king of getting hit by pitches. Dared Diane to try and miss him. Lol
7:00 Bill Freehan, the only contemporary of Hunt at the same level. 1968 also the same year McLain wins 30 games and McAuliffe grounds into zero double plays. Last year before divisional playoffs.
Yes! One of my all-time favorite baseball players as a Mets fan since day 1. Ron Hunt was a very good 2nd baseman and, yup, the king of the HBP. Thanks for giving Ron Hunt a showcase.
As a Mets fan since their inception in 1962 I was a big Ron Hunt fan as were many New Yorkers. He was the Mets first Allstar starting at 2nd base in 1964. In his '63 rookie season he finished 2nd to Pete Rose in voting (a ridiculously lopsided 17-2) for Rookie of the Year. Hunt's slash line was (272/.334/.396), 10 HRs, 42 RBI, 40 BB, 5 SB, OPS 730, and 13 HBP. Rose's slash line was (273/.334/.371), 6 HRs, 41 RBI, 13 SB, OPS 705 and 5 HBP. The deciding factor was that Hunt played on the worst team in MLB. The Mets won just 53 games and the Reds won 86. In the eyes of voters that meant that Rose was more valuable. But in my eyes, Hunt should have won it since he was the best player on a bad team. He had their highest batting average with no protection in the line up. They scored a total of 501 runs and a .219 team BA. Compare that to Rose who had Vada Pinson, Frank Robinson, Johnny Edwards among others for a team that scored 648 runs with a .248 team BA.
Obviously, Pete Rose had a far superior career, but for that brief moment in Mets history, Ron Hunt was our shining star! LGM!
You make a good argument.
Hunt was the first Mets starter in an All-Star game, but not the first Met all-star, since every team has a rep at the all-star game. I think Richie Ashburn was their first all-star, in 1962. I don't know who was their rep in 1963. Maybe Ron Hunt himself. Anyway, the photo at 1:47 was obviously taken at the 64 All-Star game at Shea, since you can see Cubs and Dodgers and Cardinals in the dugout.
I love that ‘71 season; 50 HBP and 58 BB👌
I well remember Ron Hunt. We Mets fans didn't have much to root for in the mid-'60s, and a second baseman who could hit .270 and supplement that with HBPs made him one of our best players. BTW, I didn't understand the stupid denigration of him by comparing his b.a. against Aaron or Clemente. Baseball fans know that you don't compare the offensive stats of a middle infielder against a corner outfielder -- you compare him against other middle infielders. In those days a second baseman who hit .270 could make the All-Star team.
If you survive a mlb fastball let alone one from Gibson whether you tried or not to avoid it you deserve first base. Your certainly payed a price for that base. If you adapt this strategy it’s not like it dosnt come with a ton of risk that increases the more you do it. It’s not exactly a free base you pay a toll for it so to me it’s not cheating or cheap. As someone who got nailed a few times just in high school varsity ball it takes a ton of guts to do what Hunt did. It sounds easy until your actually in that batters box. He deserved his free pass to first regardless of him trying to avoid the pitch enough. Few players possess that type of courage and durability
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Great to see the old clips and baseball cards from my childhood! Thanks!
The first thought I had was "He must have had a massively crouched in batting stance where anything inside hits him"
Video: Correct.
You can't use Marcus Semien for context, because since 2005-2010 up to today, every player in the lineup has been a potential home run threat. Prior to baseball becoming a slightly modified version of Home Run Derby you'd see a lot of players with less than 5 home runs in a season (especially prior to the 90's). League averages were higher than today as well....like .270's compared to right now at .240 or so.
The most important number in this video is 1. The number of times Ron Hunt tore off a catcher’s mask and punched him in the face
I saw Tom Seaver send him to the hospital in 1969 at Candlestick Park. That beaning made an impression on me as an eight-year-old I have never forgotten.
Terrific video: well documented, nicely produced, and I really appreciated the analysis comparing the hit-by-pitch stats to the home run records.
Only quasi-related side note: while you suggest that Hunt's record might stand the test of time (leaving aside the all time record from the 1890s with its out-of-left-field bump to 51... What possible evidence could they have? I can't imagine there's much in the form of film to justify that bump...), I have always believed there is one sports record that may never be topped: Johnny Vander Meer's back-to-back no hitters in 1938. Given the way the sport now favors hitters, pitch counts, and relief pitchers, it seems near impossible for any starter to reel off three complete games in a row, let alone three no hitters. I'd be surprised if any one could even match the record.
Every video you make is a banger, dude.
I enjoyed this! I wish I loved Baseball now as much as I did back then
Gasped when you showed the article on Hunt written by Jonah Keri, who, in a horrible bit of irony re: the subject of being hit, is currently serving a two year jail sentence for repeatedly beating his wife.
But instead of calling her *Ron Hunt*, he called her *Wrong C*'mon I'm not going to say that word
Holy cow, is that true?
Another great video. Cheers !
The only way someone could break this mark is if the batter was so fat that their girth blocked the strike zone.
Ron Hunt was a hero of mine while in little league. I was a little kid with a baggy jersey and perfected getting hit on my sleeves to get on base.
Absolutely incredible video
“Do you think April is too early for Roger Dorn night?”
I did a double take hearing BBH on this one, glad to see him doing SRS videos now :)
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That edit at the end was so fucking smooth
I remember Ron Hunt when he was with the S.F. Giants, lost touch with him when he was traded. I was a Braves fan I remember Milo Hamilton & Earnie Johnson talking about Ron always getting HBP.
Baseball Historian is part of SRS? That is amazing. Yall should make a video with Baseball Doesn't Exist.
My dad and grandpa would always talk about how crazy he was lmao 😂
Great Video!
Can you do one on Manny Mota? Manny was one of, if not the Best pinch hitters in baseball history! Thanks!
Very well made video
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Growing up a Met fan I watched Ron Hunt from the beginning of his career. He was the Mets first legitimate All Star and my favorite player. I love the Mets but they always seem to trade away great talent! Anyone remember Nolan Ryan?
12:18 gotta admit I was prepared “or blessed with a 200 [blank]” to get real adult, real quick
The disrespect to Brandon Guyer
Boomer vs zoomer
Guyer has the better rate stats
Hunt has the better counting stats
Great Video! You should do one on Lenny Harris pinch hit goat!
I'm an Astros fan of many years. I swear Craig Biggio stuck that left arm out there some of those times.
Yes, he sure did. The invention of elbow pads helped several players, including Barry Bonds, take some HBP's.
This man can twist a bat into also.
Gibson threw so damn hard they had to raise the mound to make it tougher on him
That's not what happened...
'he hits himself" hahaha. Indeed
Rumor has it that Hunt was hit in the face with more balls than Rock Hudson in the 1970's!
no body else thought that was funny but I did
How have I not heard of this guy?
Likely because his monster HBP season occurred while playing in Montreal. American sports writers often overlooked the expos - maybe a USA bias. It’s the reason it took 10 years for Tim Raines to get elected to the HOF. When SABR metrics analysts combed over the numbers, many reacted in a similar way to you learning about Ron Hunt: “How is this guy (Raines) not in the HOF already?”.
Hunt may be the Babe Ruth of hit-by-pitches but Ty France will definitely become the Hank Aaron. A few days ago an Astros pitcher wanted to hit him on purpose but because France crowds the plate so much without giving an inch, the dude managed to hit him on the back; and barely at that.
I guess Bowser is the king of both delivering homers _and_ taking beanballs. If Bowser is Babe Ruth home run wise, then Bowser has some Ron Hunt in him as well, he certainly doesn't mind getting beaned by a boo or kong pitcher...
Arbitrary question, how far ahead is Rickey Henderson from second place, by percent? I was hoping that would be an apt comparison to the elite HBP master Ron Hunt.
Good stuff.
Ok so Rickey Henderson’s career SB total was actually almost 50% more than Lou Brock (1406/938), so it was farther from the pack than Ron Hunt.
The truth is you could probably find a lot of records with a larger spread than Hunt’s, but that would have made for a worse video so 🤷♂️
You could say that Hunt's ability to get hit was of a similar caliber to that of the difference between Henderson and Brock (or maybe the difference between 1st and 2nd in 1982, when he got 130 SB), as another point of perspective. Good stuff nonetheless, appreciate the answer.
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What an interesting topic. Man loved eating pitches lmao
Bro must have bones of steel
Hunt was a hard nose baseball player. In HS, he played football and baseball.
Imagine if Austin Adams was pitching in his same division…
Biggio Bettah
13:06
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Pichers took the name 'Hunt' a bit too literally.
Thought this was gonna be about Brandon Guyer
I love how no one is talking about how Tim Locastro’s name is in a rainbow for no reason
I would like to know what pitcher is the pickoff king
Also you need to remember Ron Hunt don't wear body armors as Don Baylor, Craig Biggio and Barry Bond and other did later after Hunt retire.
I averaged 1.4 hit by pitch per game last year lmao
I was a terrible hitter in Little League. But as a pitcher, I tended to throw at the other team's best player, and I pumped up my OBP by getting a few retaliation plunkings.
I'm calling Biggio the Hit by Pitch King. The old timers didn't have the kind of heat that pitchers in the modern era have. Yes there was some guys that could chunk it but nothing compared to modern times. Biggio also took many many of them for the team and could easily dodge them but took it. Also pretty cool his son plays MLB. possibly on the bluejays or something like that
Well 13 standard deviations is so rare at to make the feat described so unlikely that it's more likely some kind of fix was in. What's more likely is the distribution isn't normal.
not to nitpick, but the graphic at 5:36 says the dodgers were 6 and 57.
These 3 pitchers were headhunters
I also noticed he didn't have one of those tampons strapped to his arm.
Hunt was a excellent player I think he was the Mets first home grown All Star.
“only about a quarter of you are subscribed”
you mean less than 1/5th? lmfao
I have never heard of the plate umpire invoking rule 6.08(b), except once. In a game between the Dodgers and Giants, the Giants had the bases loaded with one out in the top ninth inning with the Dodgers leading, and Drysdale pitching a shutout. Don Drysdale's pitch appears to hit the Giant's batter who then proceeds to go to first base and the runner on third proceeds to score. The plate umpire calls the Giants batter back, and confusion and anger (on the Giant's part) ensues. The plate umpire ruled the batter did not make an effort to avoid the pitch and rules the pitch a ball. Those watching the game had no idea what was going on. Many thought the umpire ruled the ball had hit the bat (for a foul strike) but the scoreboard shows the pitch being recorded as a ball. When play resumes, Drysdale gets the next two outs and the shutout. As it turns out Drysdale was in the mist of setting a string of consecutive scoreless innings , so the shutout against the Giants allowed him to continue his quest . I think he does set the record of consecutive scoreless innings by a starting pitcher (not sure if the record still stands).
Sadly on the eve of his Democratic California Primary victory/assassination , Sen. Robert Kennedy mentions how he hopes his campaign will go as well as Drysdale's pitching to a gathered Los Angeles press conference/crowd . It wasn't the Giant's game , but I think Drysdale had pitched that night.
Sorry didnt see you comment before adding the same at the top. . Saw that game on tv when I was a kid and our whole house cheered when drysdales record was STOPPED. . .I still swear that Ron Hunt tried his hardest to get out of the was (wink)
@@josephpuentes3788 You must be a Giants fan or perhaps annoyed Dodger fans refer to "The City" as "Frisco" Ha! Ha!.... ( I do miss reading Herb Caen's column).
I speak some French but I couldn’t really understand what the announcer was saying because he’s from Quebec. I wasn’t sure if I heard him right when I heard cinquante. Understanding a quebecker is like trying to understand someone from Scotland as an American English speaker.
You’re right: HBP 50 times (« cinquante fois ») in 1971.
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Woohoo. Je suis le boss mdr. Vous habitez à Québec? Ma ex petite amie est française. Elle vit maintient en Bretagne. J'ai commencé à apprendre à cause d'elle. Allez les Mets!
@@MCKevin289 Oui, j’habite à Québec. L’annonceur dans le vidéo parle vite. Votre français est bien! 🙂
An interesting statistic to include how many times he crossed home plate after a hbp
Imagine 2021 Austin Adams, but he only pitches to 1971 Ron Hunt.
His anger pushed him to 13 standard deviations
If Wilson Contreras played more games agains the Brewers, he would give Hunt and Biggio a run for their money.
Clay Pigeon That's a term I heard in the 70s of a player who got HBP
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Mark Canha got HBP like 23 times last year
Well I guess I've been wrong all these years when I thought it was coach from Cheers who held the record