Really enjoyed this conversation & as a fan since '85 I'm hoping to see New Order/Joy Division in the Hall of Fame & reunited with Hooky, if only for just one last time.
@@EditMSM I have a really cool story about that. We got to hang out in California with the band & sell merch & they let us video the shows. Great memories.
@@rachel1205 So, you'd prefer that they ended up looking like the absolute embarrassment that The Strolling Bones have become, then...?! They certainly don't need the money & while they'll no doubt say that they still love playing, it's pretty bloody cringeworthy to see what they've now become on-stage, IMO...
Saw them in 1988 in Manchester at the height of acid house era…absolute chaos. Then saw Hooky in 2018. Reminded more that New Order than this live version of New Order
Why? He was a founding member who had a massive influence on not only their music, but many other bands later. The interview was very benign and basically just shoulder-patting until he threw that question at them. He knew he had to. Peter Hook gave them that edginess to their sound that they would have otherwise lacked. They all gave something important to their sound and music, and like him or not, he was a key ingredient. Tom Chapman is a good bass player, I've heard him live, but he's his own musician. He doesn't play the same way, and it produces a different attitude. He's content to shy away from the spotlight on stage, but Peter Hook demands it. He was the only one who never let the Joy Division legacy be forgotten entirely in their sound. That's why he was mentioned, he's too important to their history and overall sound.
@@erikjleiken VERY well written comment, my friend!! I'm SO incredibly glad that I saw them at their near-best at Reading in '98...but I would NEVER wish to watch them now, between Barney's incredibly cringeworthy dancing & his grand-dad paunch, plus not one but TWO younger guys to cover the loss of Hooky...fuck that...
I think generally speaking Brits just mastered all band music if you think of the 60s and 70s too it’s really quite ridiculous how many of the big bands of each decade, genre and era are Brits. Even solo artists and one hit wonders, so many are Brits and nobody really knows 😂
@@raph6931 Phil joined New Order in 2001. Tom joined New Order in 2011. Tom was the last to join, not Phil. They are all equal, valuable, and talented members of the band. None of them should be treated as inferior just because they joined the band later than some of the other members.
New Order is my favorite band of all time. Tom and Phil seem like chill enough dudes but i am absolutely holding out a faint glimmer of hope that the original four will play together again at some point. I know Hooky has his reasons and i totally get it (from what an outsider like me can get anyways.) but he's definitely such an integral part of their classic sound. No disrespect to the band at all but Music Complete needed Manchester's viking on bass lol. Phenomenal record tho New Order forever!
Haha, Hook is still mad to get back in 😆 they'd be nuts to have him, he's such a loose canon. Love Bernard guffawing at the notion. And I agree with other commentators, disrespectful to Tom and Phil actually, they have a good clean setup for years now with no waves. Which they have earned the right to. Bernard is the man. Just my opinion, peace out kids. Only my opinion. Love you Bernard, see ye in Dublin in October.
Talking about Peter, lots of folded / crossed arms which signals a person who is distant, insecure, defensive or anxious. Hostile feelings at this point in their late lives is kinda sad.. Swallow your pride and go to your grave knowing that you mad peace in your heart and soul..
Have to say Steve Morris looks well good for his age! I would love for hooky and New Order to just hug it out, become friends again just like I wished Morrissey would forgive Mike Joyce and Noel and Liam to become brothers again, life is too short for being bitchy and stubborn!
Think before you speak, interviewer! Not cool. How many times are you going to put them on the spot? They were very kind not to tear a strip off of you.
the host is so ANNOYING and trying to get something very American out of this interview: "do this for the public", "hall of fame, wow", "hook story, reunite", almost a monologue where he had to check all the gossips and pushing the guys to say something for the rating/audience. I am so glad the guys avoided any stuff like that. Simply said: the guys were they, true to their style. ... and another thing people: get over the Hook subject. They had their things, the band moved on without him and sounded maybe better when I am thinking of Music Complete album. They/r not doing a reunite just for the public, they will do whatever they feel, this was always in their DNA.
@@erinmacdonald5433 99% of the time I avoid commenting, but this time I was somehow very annoyed by other fans and the host. Anyway, I am glad we e at least two who feel the same about this, although other comments can also confirm. Cheers!
I think the host was more a fan than an journalist and he was not intented to offend about the Hooky subject but annoying me *a lot* ppl just cannot overcome Hooky out ...He left almost *two decades* and ppl still saying stupid things like "NO ended when Hooky left...NO is nothing without Hooky". Some ppl never get tired tô be boring.
NO was able to put the Ian situation in a box, and are able to do that with Hooky too. If it were my interview, neither of those things would be mentioned. Think of it as art, not theatre.
Hooky puede que no haya sido el que escribió más partes, musicalmente hablando en New Order, su aporte era justo al momento de dar ideas, pero al momento de componer sus líneas de bajo era un maldito loco, literalmente hay rolas que aunque las haya escrito Bernard, si hooky no les hubiera puesto su bajo (QUE SIEMPRE SUS BAJOS ERAN COMPUESTOS POR EL, NADIE LE DECIA QUE HACER) probablemente gran parte de la discografía de New Order no sería ni la mitad de reconocida y buena, Hooky es el alma y la columna de New Order, sin el la banda no creo que hubiera despegado cómo despegó
Hello, I would like to know if there's any way for us to be able to watch the "Bottoms' cast - SXSW Studio 2023" interview ? It's was available right after it was conducted but then that very video was removed from this channel for some reason a few hours/days after. Thank you
Is this irony? All Hooky does is perform a tribute act with the Light. What new music has he released since freebass which fell apart as soon as the album came out?
After watching the "question part" about Hooky, Stephen (again) seems to be such a kind and gentle guy. Like most of what I've seen of him. Not full of resentment. Bernard, not so sure. But it's their lives, legacy and band of course. Up to them. I'm a big JD and (older material-era) NO fan. I must say I do prefer what Hooky and the band are doing to what NO are doing to JD's legacy. Hook's vocals are way better. No doubt about that.
got to say looking at barny he asnt aged well in the eighties he looked like a teenager to hooky looking like a thirty something now hooky looks likes 50 but barney looks like 70 ffs
And now Depeche Mode are down to two members.They lost me after Alan Wilder left in the mid nineties. He was my favorite member of the band. Then Fletch dying didn't help.
A big part of my life in the 80’s and some of the best records and gigs ever - and some of the worst gigs as well. But that was what made them so interesting you never knew quite what you were going to get when you went to see them. They had their time and, in my opinion, it was some time ago with Republic being the closer for me (see what I did there?) The Peter Hook issue was a sad sideshow replicated by many bands down the ages where one member suddenly believes they are bigger than the band and finds out they are not. Glad people still get enjoyment from them today but they are just old bezzards, talented nonetheless. Peter Hook & The Light on the other hand is just tragic, full stop.
Not sure Hooky would have enjoyed the last album, and I’m not sure they’d have been able to make it with him in the band either. I do wish people would just drop the subject. Very bland interview by the way. “We’re Not Dead” should be the title of the next LP! Haha.
If Biggy smalls, or whatever his name is, is in after about, what, five years on the music scene and no true influence, then these guys are way over due!
So sad seeing this interview and knowing all the NO fans efforts had meaning nothing and Joy Division and New Order still not on the RRHoF with the bands THEY inspired. This is annoying *a lot*. I simply cannot understand the names introduced
Which Ian Curtis? The one of 1979-80? Nope he would not have turned up. None of them would have, most likely. Ian in 2023? Who cares and if he would still be here on this planet, he would own a bookshop anyway.
I will quote Peter Saville. "New Order's band is now Bernard Sumner's band... and they are all the worse for it" I will put it another way. For someone who cannot sing and is awful at playing guitar, especially live, Sumner has way too much saying on the band.
I disagree (as a bass player). New Dawn Fades is about one of the best lead and rhythm guitar pieces I have ever listened to. As just one example. And I always liked Sumner‘s voice. Not so much so, when he sings Joy Division songs. But to be honest, Sumner I guess never felt comfortable being in the spotlight live.
Bernard Sumner wrote a majority of the songs, arranged almost all of them, wrote the lyrics, sings, mixes, produces, and is the frontman, yet never brags. JD and NO would not have been even half as good or successful without him--in fact, they wouldn't have existed at all. And it's his guitar that absolutely makes songs like Transmission, Shadowplay, Age of Consent, Regret, etc. etc. Don't forget he also played/plays keyboards, synths, melodica, programs, etc. Everyone contributes, but even Steve (amazing drummer) has said in his books that Bernard was always the main music writer and the most musical one of them all. No offence, but I'll take his word for it. And if Peter Saville is really disrespecting Bernard, he should be ashamed of it--it was Bernard who gave him the picture that made Saville one of the most famous graphic designers in the world. He makes a lot of money off of the Unknown Pleasures graphic that Bernard found and suggested for the cover.
@@erinmacdonald5433 Even Hooky admitted on some radio interview in the early 90s on radio 2 (it is on youtube somewhere) that until he formed Revenge he had no idea how hard it actually is to write and arrange songs and understood what Bernard had to do. You're spot on, it's been common knowledge for decades that Bernard was always the main guy in the band when it came to the music and later on the lyrics.
New Order is a great group and Peter Hook was a big part of it. .
New Order ended when he left.
@@edejong really?
He has three concerts in Texas this year
I will be at all of them
Get over it. He left the band and that was it for him.
@@steverogers7611 who cares?
I'd love Hooky back, I think everyone would want to see that but again totally disrespectful to Tom who's sat there!
True, but the interviewer couldn't ignore what would have otherwise been the big white elephant in the room though.
agree, but how many bass lines did he write?
@@neilevans4352 The ones he played bass on, but not the synth ones.
@@Mitch93 i meant tom, did he write any bass lines on music complete?
it's a pity that the team is not complete
Nee Hooky back.
Definitely. And Barney needs to sing like he did back in the Movement days, get a little looser
He sang like that for 3 months in 43 years...@@user-dnf83n0s8sg9u
They still have 3 original members. And the lead singer, great group..
Really enjoyed this conversation & as a fan since '85 I'm hoping to see New Order/Joy Division in the Hall of Fame & reunited with Hooky, if only for just one last time.
Just go see hooky and the light it's better
@@ryanmellor2238 I've seen him three times now, six if you include Revenge.
@@VIC-20_Synthwave You went to see Revenge THREE TIMES? Once was enough for me.
@@EditMSM I have a really cool story about that. We got to hang out in California with the band & sell merch & they let us video the shows. Great memories.
@@ryanmellor2238 no, they don’t
I have been following New Order & Joy Division for 35 years. They are really like wine...
Shit, what's hard to believe is that Hooky, Bernard and Stephen are now considered officially senior citizens
Exactly. Time to retire.
@@noyoureafuckintubeAgeist much?
@@noyoureafuckintube never!
@@rachel1205 So, you'd prefer that they ended up looking like the absolute embarrassment that The Strolling Bones have become, then...?! They certainly don't need the money & while they'll no doubt say that they still love playing, it's pretty bloody cringeworthy to see what they've now become on-stage, IMO...
Saw them in 1988 in Manchester at the height of acid house era…absolute chaos. Then saw Hooky in 2018. Reminded more that New Order than this live version of New Order
It’s commendable that these guys didn’t chase success but we’ve missed out on seeing them live far more than they’ve toured.
the closest an interviever has got to find out what stephen thinks about hooky, they always ask barney lol.
actually surprised that they even mention Hooky in this interview.
The guy did. Forced it on 'em.
@@noyoureafuckintubeBernard shut it right down💀
Why? He was a founding member who had a massive influence on not only their music, but many other bands later. The interview was very benign and basically just shoulder-patting until he threw that question at them. He knew he had to. Peter Hook gave them that edginess to their sound that they would have otherwise lacked. They all gave something important to their sound and music, and like him or not, he was a key ingredient. Tom Chapman is a good bass player, I've heard him live, but he's his own musician. He doesn't play the same way, and it produces a different attitude. He's content to shy away from the spotlight on stage, but Peter Hook demands it. He was the only one who never let the Joy Division legacy be forgotten entirely in their sound. That's why he was mentioned, he's too important to their history and overall sound.
@@erikjleikenHook is a washed up old fat guy bellowing karaoke vocals.
@@erikjleiken VERY well written comment, my friend!! I'm SO incredibly glad that I saw them at their near-best at Reading in '98...but I would NEVER wish to watch them now, between Barney's incredibly cringeworthy dancing & his grand-dad paunch, plus not one but TWO younger guys to cover the loss of Hooky...fuck that...
Total legends.
British people make the best new wave music I swear. Morrissey,new order,the cure,pet shop boys,joy division, and list goes on and on.
*Manchester people
@@tonym2464- The Stone Roses
I think generally speaking Brits just mastered all band music if you think of the 60s and 70s too it’s really quite ridiculous how many of the big bands of each decade, genre and era are Brits. Even solo artists and one hit wonders, so many are Brits and nobody really knows 😂
unfortunately Peter Hook is not here
My Band favorit
Love this band omg so many memories good ones fun times to
Yes, when I listen to Closer it's absolutely funtastic.
Is this an interview or a monologue from the host
guy kills me
Bucket list. Saw the Dallas show. TY New Order!!
Interviewer, know your stuff man. Phil's been in the band for year's, It's a little disrespectful to refer to him as a young pup.
Relatively speaking he is the young pup, he joined the band last
@@raph6931Joined 22 years ago!
@@raph6931 he’s been in the band for 22 years that’s like a year over half the existence of new order
@@crispy_dough559 yes but he joined the band last. So he is relatively speaking the young pup. Not hard to understand
@@raph6931 Phil joined New Order in 2001. Tom joined New Order in 2011. Tom was the last to join, not Phil. They are all equal, valuable, and talented members of the band. None of them should be treated as inferior just because they joined the band later than some of the other members.
That was a fantastic interview!!!
Barney reminds me of my dad
He reminds me of my grand-dad...if he was both alive & drunk...& I'm 50 y/o, btw!!
New Order is my favorite band of all time. Tom and Phil seem like chill enough dudes but i am absolutely holding out a faint glimmer of hope that the original four will play together again at some point.
I know Hooky has his reasons and i totally get it (from what an outsider like me can get anyways.) but he's definitely such an integral part of their classic sound. No disrespect to the band at all but Music Complete needed Manchester's viking on bass lol.
Phenomenal record tho
New Order forever!
The best band!!! 👏👏👏👏
5 minutes in and the interviewer is still the only one speaking
My thoughts exactly!
Been listening to NO since 1987.
Same here. Since '87
I’ve been listening to them since 1986 then.
85 here
"rock out", "jammed", "slaps" : things no one has ever said about New Order
Haha, Hook is still mad to get back in 😆 they'd be nuts to have him, he's such a loose canon. Love Bernard guffawing at the notion. And I agree with other commentators, disrespectful to Tom and Phil actually, they have a good clean setup for years now with no waves. Which they have earned the right to. Bernard is the man. Just my opinion, peace out kids. Only my opinion. Love you Bernard, see ye in Dublin in October.
It says a lot about Hooky that Robert Smith says that relations between the two bands have improved a hell of a lot since he left.
A smattering of applause, as Dave Letterman used to say.
See you in Copenhagen 21 september, we will be 4 factory records conisours travelling there❤
That will be an enjoyable show.😊
I hate to be 'that guy' but you were so far off...so it's connoisseurs, my friend!
Please, please, more North America dates. Enjoyed the Chicago and Minneapolis shows last year.
Talking about Peter, lots of folded / crossed arms which signals a person who is distant, insecure, defensive or anxious.
Hostile feelings at this point in their late lives is kinda sad..
Swallow your pride and go to your grave knowing that you mad peace in your heart and soul..
New Order as they are now hide away about Peter Hook, barney & Stephen should remember their roots but never will
I loved their reaction to the Hooky question! Bernard said vote for Cindy. LOL
Have to say Steve Morris looks well good for his age! I would love for hooky and New Order to just hug it out, become friends again just like I wished Morrissey would forgive Mike Joyce and Noel and Liam to become brothers again, life is too short for being bitchy and stubborn!
hair transplant
@@emetahavano it isn’t.
Think before you speak, interviewer! Not cool. How many times are you going to put them on the spot? They were very kind not to tear a strip off of you.
Spot on Erin, bit thoughtless but I think just enthusiastic.
needs to be said!!!
the host is so ANNOYING and trying to get something very American out of this interview: "do this for the public", "hall of fame, wow", "hook story, reunite", almost a monologue where he had to check all the gossips and pushing the guys to say something for the rating/audience.
I am so glad the guys avoided any stuff like that. Simply said: the guys were they, true to their style.
... and another thing people: get over the Hook subject. They had their things, the band moved on without him and sounded maybe better when I am thinking of Music Complete album. They/r not doing a reunite just for the public, they will do whatever they feel, this was always in their DNA.
Yes, exactly this! All of it.
@@erinmacdonald5433 99% of the time I avoid commenting, but this time I was somehow very annoyed by other fans and the host. Anyway, I am glad we
e at least two who feel the same about this, although other comments can also confirm. Cheers!
I think the host was more a fan than an journalist and he was not intented to offend about the Hooky subject but annoying me *a lot* ppl just cannot overcome Hooky out ...He left almost *two decades* and ppl still saying stupid things like "NO ended when Hooky left...NO is nothing without Hooky". Some ppl never get tired tô be boring.
Where’s Hooky?
NO was able to put the Ian situation in a box, and are able to do that with Hooky too. If it were my interview, neither of those things would be mentioned. Think of it as art, not theatre.
boring
The other two must make records again,better than new order today
Yeah, I still love "Tasty Fish"...one of the greatest early'90s electronic pop songs in existence, IMO...
Hooky - 50% of the sound of JD and NO.
50%? 90%!
@@mr.kamikaze._xd Estaba siendo conservador.
@@TweedSuit Hooky es realmente un pilar muy grande para ambas bandas. Sin el, no hay NO
Hooky puede que no haya sido el que escribió más partes, musicalmente hablando en New Order, su aporte era justo al momento de dar ideas, pero al momento de componer sus líneas de bajo era un maldito loco, literalmente hay rolas que aunque las haya escrito Bernard, si hooky no les hubiera puesto su bajo (QUE SIEMPRE SUS BAJOS ERAN COMPUESTOS POR EL, NADIE LE DECIA QUE HACER) probablemente gran parte de la discografía de New Order no sería ni la mitad de reconocida y buena, Hooky es el alma y la columna de New Order, sin el la banda no creo que hubiera despegado cómo despegó
@@lunatonik totalmente de acuerdo
Inducted into the RRHOF 2023, they should unite with Hooky. Ian would have wanted it that way.
Nobody knows what Ian would have wanted.
Do shut up
How would you know Ian would want them to do that?
that interviewer went proper balls deep hard on em. im sick of easy new order interviews.
NEW ORDER FOREVER!!! 😀💗
when did Rupert Murdoch get a baseball cap and join the band? lol
He looked nothing like Murdock. It's just the hat.
Hello,
I would like to know if there's any way for us to be able to watch the "Bottoms' cast - SXSW Studio 2023" interview ?
It's was available right after it was conducted but then that very video was removed from this channel for some reason a few hours/days after.
Thank you
NO have an instantly recognisable sound - not many bands can say that.
OMD have
To me, new order are like a tribute band without hooky
Is this irony? All Hooky does is perform a tribute act with the Light. What new music has he released since freebass which fell apart as soon as the album came out?
One of the last gigs Ian tried to play but was too ill - he watched his bandmates play on and envisioned them going on without him
Ian would have no showed the Hall Of Fame. Guaranteed...
After watching the "question part" about Hooky, Stephen (again) seems to be such a kind and gentle guy. Like most of what I've seen of him. Not full of resentment. Bernard, not so sure. But it's their lives, legacy and band of course. Up to them. I'm a big JD and (older material-era) NO fan. I must say I do prefer what Hooky and the band are doing to what NO are doing to JD's legacy. Hook's vocals are way better. No doubt about that.
got to say looking at barny he asnt aged well in the eighties he looked like a teenager to hooky looking like a thirty something now hooky looks likes 50 but barney looks like 70 ffs
I think he had a bad case of covid.
reply to myself, try not to post when you are drunk the spelling is really bad lol.
He's in his 60s, what do you expect?
The interviewer has clearly never heard of Neworder. Lol.
Jadore new order💙 but only after depeche mode💙🔥🎸🎹🔥🎸🎹🔥🎸🎹
And now Depeche Mode are down to two members.They lost me after Alan Wilder left in the mid nineties. He was my favorite member of the band. Then Fletch dying didn't help.
This group should be called 'some members of New Order.'
A big part of my life in the 80’s and some of the best records and gigs ever - and some of the worst gigs as well. But that was what made them so interesting you never knew quite what you were going to get when you went to see them. They had their time and, in my opinion, it was some time ago with Republic being the closer for me (see what I did there?) The Peter Hook issue was a sad sideshow replicated by many bands down the ages where one member suddenly believes they are bigger than the band and finds out they are not.
Glad people still get enjoyment from them today but they are just old bezzards, talented nonetheless. Peter Hook & The Light on the other hand is just tragic, full stop.
Not sure Hooky would have enjoyed the last album, and I’m not sure they’d have been able to make it with him in the band either. I do wish people would just drop the subject. Very bland interview by the way. “We’re Not Dead” should be the title of the next LP! Haha.
BRITAIN not England
They are from Manchester which is in? England...
Only 3 of the band there
I'ts SO funny how the original concept of BM as a place-keeper for those expecting an encore has disappeared....
Interviewer is unbearable
Why the hell is the Interviewer asking them to do an Acapella?? It cringe me 😆😂
It’s like this interviewer had never researched this band’s personalities…an cappella was never going to happen
If Biggy smalls, or whatever his name is, is in after about, what, five years on the music scene and no true influence, then these guys are way over due!
HE [Host] Never once Pronounces "BERNARD" In BERNARD SUMNERS NAME. HE KEEPS SAYING BURRNERD
the other 2
Not NO without Hooky.
Prefer Hooky live than NO.
No hook.....no new order
Bye bye
Love reaction by divine is better than blue monday
Funny enough, I never really liked Blue Monday....😅
So sad seeing this interview and knowing all the NO fans efforts had meaning nothing and Joy Division and New Order still not on the RRHoF with the bands THEY inspired. This is annoying *a lot*. I simply cannot understand the names introduced
Which Ian Curtis? The one of 1979-80? Nope he would not have turned up. None of them would have, most likely. Ian in 2023? Who cares and if he would still be here on this planet, he would own a bookshop anyway.
More like New New Order.
The interviewer is cringey.
I will quote Peter Saville.
"New Order's band is now Bernard Sumner's band... and they are all the worse for it"
I will put it another way. For someone who cannot sing and is awful at playing guitar, especially live, Sumner has way too much saying on the band.
Do you have a source for this? I’d be interested to read more
Thanks
I disagree (as a bass player). New Dawn Fades is about one of the best lead and rhythm guitar pieces I have ever listened to. As just one example. And I always liked Sumner‘s voice. Not so much so, when he sings Joy Division songs. But to be honest, Sumner I guess never felt comfortable being in the spotlight live.
Bernard Sumner wrote a majority of the songs, arranged almost all of them, wrote the lyrics, sings, mixes, produces, and is the frontman, yet never brags. JD and NO would not have been even half as good or successful without him--in fact, they wouldn't have existed at all. And it's his guitar that absolutely makes songs like Transmission, Shadowplay, Age of Consent, Regret, etc. etc. Don't forget he also played/plays keyboards, synths, melodica, programs, etc. Everyone contributes, but even Steve (amazing drummer) has said in his books that Bernard was always the main music writer and the most musical one of them all. No offence, but I'll take his word for it. And if Peter Saville is really disrespecting Bernard, he should be ashamed of it--it was Bernard who gave him the picture that made Saville one of the most famous graphic designers in the world. He makes a lot of money off of the Unknown Pleasures graphic that Bernard found and suggested for the cover.
Hooky is an even worst singer!! Bloody awful.
@@erinmacdonald5433 Even Hooky admitted on some radio interview in the early 90s on radio 2 (it is on youtube somewhere) that until he formed Revenge he had no idea how hard it actually is to write and arrange songs and understood what Bernard had to do. You're spot on, it's been common knowledge for decades that Bernard was always the main guy in the band when it came to the music and later on the lyrics.
This whole interview is so off - over excited Indian talking about "rocking out" interviewing a band pretending that everyone is fine without hooky
I found a presenter more annoying than James Cordon
Interviewer ,rude!
Possibly the most overrated band in the history of music...