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Hey everyone, thanks so much for the feedback on the background color. Decided to try something new since the black often blends in with my hair....sounds like it might be distracting for some, so now I know! As always, appreciate the input.
Please don't use a bright colour, it distracts the eye. I think black wasn't even bad, perhaps the best choice there is
Black is best. Anything else would be distracting, and white is super bright and bad.
I think if you just turn down the saturation it would be fine. The saturation is the biggest issue, not the hue.
Perhaps, a lower saturated blue? It is true that your hair blends in, and that is indeed a bit distracting. Before watching this video, the blue is highly appreciated!
Don't know if you reacted to this
ruclips.net/video/4vv46n1-8Os/видео.html
I really appreciate that you mention that even if the casualty count was low, it was a tragedy for every family that lost a son, brother, father, etc.
Exactly what I thought... Such a nice guy, that’s one of the things that makes this channel so great
Also worth mentioning that because much of the wounded were from naval forces, their wounds were often very bad, ranging from lost limbs to disfiguring burns due to basically being on board a ship when a missile hit it so they had to deal with that for the rest of their lives, whether as a british seaman suffering while the country applauds the victory or an argentine whose going back to a still economically struggling nation.
Big part of why his channel is so great.
I guess there's a thousand tragedies happening every single day
I actually know the widow of someone who died there on the falk lands she says she could never love again for the fear of losing another husband/boyfriend
When he puts the glasses on.
Internally: It’s about go down.
That's what I love most about this channel, the way he'll stop what he's doing in the middle of something and go to look up the answer to a question he's unsure of. That's the mark of a true scholar right there
He do be researching
He is extremely good at add information.
Some History-Guy ?
"Put's glasses on"
VTH THE HISTORIAN ?!
Hello peter.
I saw an interview once with some of the argentinian conscripts who participated in the war and these guys said something along the lines of: "Yeah, we were basically teens with basic training and then these british marines showed up. They had far better equipment than we did and every single one of these dudes looked like Rambo, so we kinda knew it was over already."
Per Mare Per Terram
This is alot of soldiers from 3rd world countries fighting global powers. Generally unless there is something scarier to push them forward or a religious fervor lots of soldiers will surrender without fighting.
Yeah the real army troops were probably too busy keeping the military junta in power back in Argentina. The airforce and navy were pretty pro though, although under equipped.
@@andresnexuschamarra6991 The Navy didn't really commit at all (other than the aborted operation the Belgrano was sunk on). The air force was left hung out to dry by the senior arms in the Junta and really did a good job all.things considered.
A lot of the Argentine gear was way better than the UK's. Their FN FALs were more up to date than the British SLR version, superior nightsights, much better boots etc. But the British soldiers and marines were highly trained and extremely motivated volunteers with the advantage of a strong emphasis on carrying out tactical night attacks.
It looks nice, maybe a beige like colour instead of the distracting blue colour?
Perhaps not beige, but definitely something less bright
First thing I wanted to comment too😅
@@theanswerkey3603 agreed!
James may: "I object to beige"
Yeah I would much prefer something more soft on the eyes
In November last year, Britain finished the mine clearing in the Falklands.
And how much did Argentina contribute to clearing up their bloody mess. Probably absolutely nothing.
Technically it isn’t Argentina’s island, so…….
@@AdvaitVaze So if your neighbor runs over your mailbox. You're perfectly fine with paying for a new one while he's standing next to you whith a big grin, and refuse you any compensation? Because technically it was not his mailbox.
Nooooo! While normally I'd applaud this, I heard a bizarre story about one beach with a penguin population that nests there and is literally protected by landmines. The birds didn't weigh enough to set them off, but it kept humans out of their nesting area, which I found kinda charming
@@autoculto7629 They're not allowed to set foot on the island so...
I think the shade of blue is a little distracting, maybe a shade closer to black
I agree
I agree also
it reminds me of my first html page
Really, all he needs to do is have someone create a template for him. I could do it. I’d wager 15% of us could.
But, the ultimate fix would be to retain the blue, and just lower the saturation. He isn’t bald, and I’m sure doesn’t want to be considered bald lol, so the black isn’t appealing towards him, and makes it difficult for us to fully concentrate on the man we came to view.
Isn't there a white version of the logo that you could put on a black background
8:30 ironically that "Go to war to distract from the misery" worked out well for Thatcher herself who pre-war was struggling to keep her popularity up.
Well just letting someone invade and take somewhere would have been a humiliation.
Totally wiping out mining and jobless from The north And Scotland while trying to act a hero HA.
The witch wasn’t fooling most people, especially where I’m from.
@@lemonade_011 Well she was fooling most people, she won the next election didn't she ....
@@DoddyIshamel depends on where the majority of votes came from * Cough* South of England....
Plus she did save islands so put to and two together ...
@@DoddyIshamel When you look at the map, its the same as these days, the South of England overhwelmingly supports the tory party (her party). They outnumber the North/Scotland iirc something like 2.5-3 voters to 1 or so which is shown in the number of MPs that are able to go to parliament. IIRC at the next election, only 42% voted for the conservative party but got the major victory due to first past the post, if it was a more democratic system (say, AV), it would likely have been a labour-alliance party coalition, or possibly even labour majority as alliance took a large chunk of the votes from them.
My cousin lost his leg in the Falklands war, he was involved in the attack on Goose Green in the 2nd Parachute Regiment. A comrade of his stepped on a mine hidden within a number of rocks and one of the rocks blown away shattered his leg.
A lot of my family seem to have been involved in wars, myself in the first Gulf War, both of my cousins in the Falklands, my father in Borneo, my uncle in Aden, I can actually go back six generations in which my family has fought in wars and only my cousin Geoff has come back with any physical injury, the rest of us have been very very lucky
I'm Polish and I still remember how I learned about the conflict: from The Secret Diary of Adrian Mole (the TV series was quite popular in Poland back in the day). It's because of one of the best quotes in the entire show: "At tea-time I was looking at our world map, but I couldn’t see the Falkland Islands anywhere. My mother found them; they were hidden under a crumb of fruitcake." 😂😂😂
I wanna watch that
That's also how I learned about it as a 90's kid, my mum bought me the books for Christmas and I got fully addicted to the story and in turn learned about the Falklands
@@DaveEd2499. we also learned what a ruler was really for measuring lol
@@stevegregory9076 Haha! Yes of course! "I measured my thing, it was 11cm" 😂😂
@@DaveEd2499. And not to sniff glue when working on model planes 😂
My favorite part of the Falklands War involves an old slaughterhouse. It had a roof, so the British medical commander, Rick Jolly, made it a field hospital. Had amazing success, as nobody (Argentine or British) who made it to the hospital died. It became known as The Red and Green Life Machine. (Red for the Para berets and Green for the Marines)
and he was awarded with medals from both countries, great man and proffesional
I bet they joked a lot about the irony of it being a slaughter house after it got the life machine name
I appreciate that you check yourself to becoming jaded to "small" casualty numbers. Each one is a broken family, each one is a traumatic event for dozens of their fellow service members. With the veteran suicide rate each one of those casualties could also spawn more deaths even decades later.
10:30 - the reason for this, by the way, is that Chile and Argentina had been in a long dispute over ownership of some islands at the southern tip of South America, and had very nearly gone to war over it a couple years earlier. The Chileans feared that if Galtieri was successful in taking the Falklands, he would turn his attention to invading their disputed territories next.
Not just feared. The very same argentine people when they thought where winning, where happily chanting that Chile was next after the English. it was the very same argentine people that wanted war with Chile to later play the victim by calling them traitors for helping the English. I honestly don't know how they manage to get away with it but It really demonstrates how much of a joke they are.
@@danielrojas-db9nq the whole country of Argentina is a big fat joke
@@danielrojas-db9nq Just a point of curiosity. Why do you say English and not British?
The UK loves Chile
Yeah, I really love this because I have a little knowledge about it, since my dad at the time was about 16 and there was a call to prepare because Argentina wanted war with us (Chile), but there was a papal intervention that stopped it, then Argentina wanted to go at it anyways but then the Falkland war happened and they were like "After school I'll kick your ass" so Chile did one of the only smart things it has ever done and sided with the UK in the conflict, and it's so funny that often a point of discussion between Argentina and Chile is "Y'all are traitors bc you didn't support us against the UK" like, pal y'all were threatening to go to war with us after the conflict ended, wdym we are traitors for that?, so yeah it's incredibly funny like a distant relative that treats you awful but expects all the respect anyways, which is very normal to see in families here anyways so... fitting
A lot of the ground combat was not as easy as portrayed. Imagine an Infantry night attack through a minefield over open ground with bayonets fixed at an entrenched enemy on high ground who outnumbers you. It was brutal.
Well, he did point to a picture of the difficult terrain and said "it wasn't easy", but yes, this is some of Oversimplified's earlier work.
That was after yomping 90km carrying 80 pounds in the freezing cold rain and wind with little food over unhospitable ground.
Love me some Oversimplified and Vlogging through history!
one of the best one 2 punches in history
The Falklands War was a small war in the scale of the theater, the number of troops, and the duration of the fighting.
But the fighting that did happen was still "full scale war", not some border skirmishes. Capital ships being sunk, supply lines being threatened, air to air battles.
Historian: I have a question about this video
Oversimplified: And I'll answer it as soon as you hit unpause
:)
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Oversimplified oversimplified in a few very convenient places: for example, forgot to say that Spain was in effective and uninterrupted control of the islands from 1766 to 1811 and on an exclusive basis from 1774 to 1811, naming 32 governors during that period. That the Port Egmont settlement was destroyed, the plaque removed and sent to Buenos Aires without any reaction or protest whatsoever from Britain, relinquishing any claim effectively. That very plaque was found in 1806 by Colonel Carr Beresford when his troops invaded Buenos Aires, and sent it back to Britain. Again no reaction, protest or claim by London.
Spain had to leave the islands in 1811, and in 1820, the Argentine govt sent Colonel Jewett to take possession again, with a formal act made in front of fishers and whalers from many different countries, including Britain. The act was published in several newspapers, in the US, Spain and August 3, 1821 at "The Times" of London, again, no reaction from Britain.
Not only was there no “British authorisation” given to Vernet in 1828, but on the contrary, the British consul in Buenos Aires certified the authenticity of the concessions made by the Argentine Government without the slightest British reaction. His plan, which he effectively carried out, was to send the documents to Europe, with the aim of attracting European settlers to the Falklands/Malvinas. This was a way to prove that he was going to the islands to establish a settlement with State authorisation. Apart from the "private venture", he was named Governor by Buenos Aires.
Exactly
The reason Britain went to war over the Falklands was because as far as those who lived in the UK and the Falklands were concerned, they were British citizens. Thatcher said in parliament, that these people were british and that they were defending British people. I also find it interesting when you find out the people who lived there hated the occupation of the Argentinians so much they cheered when the television showed the troops landing on the island.
Also something worth mentioning that wasn't in the video was the bombing of the runway at Port Stanley. It was one hell of a mission for the crew of a Vulcan bomber aircraft to fly from ascension island to the Falklands, bomb the runway and fly back and all in a plane that was 40 years old and had never seen active combat.
That vulcan mission on Port Stanley you mentioned, the black buck raids, actually successfully happened about 7 times, and failed about 5 more as the aircraft were in the process of being retired when they were called to action and were practically in pieces. Also noteworthy is the usage of American made AGM65 shrike anti radiation missiles, which were literally jerry rigged to the underside of the vulcans wings
I agree, They say they’re British so The government will protect them, just like any other country would do, for example like Hawaii, America wouldn’t let them go.
Indeed, that is a very important point to make. Ever since the oil was discovered, revisionists have been touting the "They did it for the oil" line.
@@bmused55 yeah but the historians say britain has occupied the island for over a century and a half, and the oil was only a recent discovery
@@bmused55 which won't even financially benefit the UK government anyway, BOTS (British Over Seas Territories) don't remit *any* taxes to the UK...
Spain : the treaty of Tordesillas says it's mine !
UK : I discovered the island so it's mine !
US : It is in America so it's mine !
Argentina : it was spanish so now I'm independant it's mine !
France : I don't like UK. Don't give it to him.
Actually:
Argentina: Eh, by this treaty, Spain give us that islands as a part of our independent Territory. By Tordesillas (that was valid in that time) and colonization is from Spain it were Spanish; We developed it so .. it's ours
Britain: I SEE IT FIRST
@@alanetchetto8908 of course . A pope of a different religion have the right for all territories of the new world 👍👍👍🤡🤡🤡
@@alanetchetto8908 That ignores a lot of history to do with the Island...
@@albertofrankdiaz6664 Britain was still catholic at the time of Tordesillas, they didn't complain. They even got sovereignty over Ireland given by the Pope.
@@martindione386 Actually, a lot of other European just ignored the treaty because they didn't recognize it. King Francis I of France even said that he wanted to see Adam's will to see if he had left the New World to the Spanish and the Portuguese.
In fact not only did HMS Conqueror not use very new missiles, they actually chose to use the older of the torpedo types they had as being more reliable. So the Belgrano was sunk with a Mark VIII torpedo designed in 1927.
Also HMS Conqueror is the only nuclear submarines to sink an warship and one of two submarines to sink a warship after WW2. The other was Pakistani PNS Hangor witch sank the Indian warship INS Khukri in 1971.
Wasn't the actual torp produced in ww2 so belgarano was sunk by weapons as old as her
@@ibbi32 Correct. WW2 torpedoes sank a WW2 ship.
Hello. I’m from the Falkland Islands. Fun fact there is no more land mines left. They have been dug up and destroyed. This happened 2 - 3 months ago
As a Brit, I always find the Falklands to be an interesting war. Tiny in terms of combat and geographic significance, but it showed at a critical time during decolonisation that the UK could still provide an effective expeditionary fighting force across the globe. Plus there was the boost for support of the Thatcher administration, take that as you will.
Critical time during decolonisation? Didn’t stop us handing over Hong Kong and we’d already provided independence to everything at this point, bar Gibraltar and a few other bits like Turks and Caicos.
Thatchers policies still greatly affect British politics today (whether that’s good or bad is your opinion)
In this respect I think the Falklands is an important moment in uk history as it allowed thatcher to stay in charge and change uk politics the way she did.
“Ok have some weapons” Ronald Reagan what an American thing to do
Father served there with 2 para. He had never even heard of the islands until the conflict broke out. He didn’t like talking about it, but he never harbored any ill will towards the Argentinians
Most of the soldiers actually fighting him were inexperienced conscripts that really didn't want to be there. It's nice that your father didn't resent them for their actions.
Great reaction, been waiting for this one! My uncle almost fought in this war.
An interesting fact is that argentinian aircrafts such as the super etendard, had to take off from mainland, then fly almost next to sea level in order to reach the britsh navy ships and sunk them whilst not being caught by britsh radars. Many british soldiers recognised the argentinian pilots to perform one the greatest manouvers and strategies at the time.
One of the major problems was the lack of preparation groundsoldiers had, bare in mind that Argentina almost went to war with Chile a couple of years earlier due to frontier disputes, that's why Chile supported the UK and militarised their whole frontier, as a result, Argentina had to keep their most experienced soldiers on ground.
Our soldiers don't get the recognition they deserve in our country, as they were invisibilized right after the war by the society, due to the bad reputation the military had (and has still to our days) by a major part of it as a consequence of the dictatorship, which ended after the war.
Keep it up!
Greetings from Argentina.
Yeah as a Brit I have heard a lot of praise from the RAF of your air force. They were very skilled and very brave indeed. Peace.
@@Davey-Boyd Peace Davey! Hopefully our two countries will have better relationships in the future.
This victory doesn't get much recognition in Britain really. We don't celebrate historical events much.
1806: First British invasion of Buenos Aires
Criolla Victory !!!
1807: Second British invasion of Buenos Aires
Criolla Victory !!!
1845 - 1850: War of Parana
Criolla Victory !!!
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@@starrynight1657 Ironic to think that down here the Malvinas/Falklands cause is the only one that brings our society together as one (besides football of course).
-Hey grandpa what did you do during the pandemic?
-I was reacting to the most Chad channels ever, big and small.
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Fourth times a charm! Best reactor ever, VTH is the best I don’t care about your opinion cause it’s a fact
Well, that’s an opinion but I agree, he is the best
@@empollonamericano328 I said that to exagerate his amazing work
Only a Historian deals in Absolutes... Haha😂
@@scottjones5993 I will do what I book *opens book*
That's a low number of casualties but for each family a solider died, it was one too many deaths
you also need to consider that Argentina has evidence existing of them wiping casualties
Fun fact, the Falklands war was one of the few times in modern history where the two belligerent land armies were both armed with versions of the same general service rifle, the FN FAL. The British had the semi automatic only L1A1 and the Argentinians had select fire variants. There are stories of British soldiers discarding their rifles and using captured/surrendered Argentinian rifles because of the firepower advantage of having a select fire option, but I am not sure how true or how frequent that might have been.
No mention of the Avro Vulcan, bombing the runway, one of the longest bombing raid in the history of the RAF, its logistics were amazing Mark Felton productions do good coverage of the Black Buck Operations.
Long bombing raid in human history 👌
If I remember correctly, I think the UK finally finished clearing all of the (known) mines on the falklands in November of 2020. They even had a celebration to commemorate it. Keep up the great work on both of your channels! You’re by far my favorite youtuber!
I still love the moment when they were under fire and in a brief stalemate. The British were just chilling having breky and a good laugh.
I could honestly listen to you for hours, even with other nations history you show so much interest and knowledge. I learn more here than I do from any documentary I may watch...
Hey man, my first comment on here and I just wanted to say that you make history fun to learn. I always look forward to your next upload, keep up the great work man!
Thanks Mitch!
My Nans brother died in the falklands war, he was a line cook on one of the ships and a shell blasted straight through, blowing off his limbs and eventually killing him. It really was nice to hear you mentioned it was by no means an insignificant war for the families of the people who died, I know there’s people in my family who understandably still get upset whilst talking about that war. Keep up the great content
You should react to “Al Murray on nations of the world”. He’s an English comedian, is a great watch
Also studied History at Oxford University
Quick note: The Captain of the Belgrano later admitted he was pulling some shenanigans and the Royal Navy was right to fire on him.
Even saying he would have done the same.
Source?
@@juliannavarro3440 Just check out the ships Wikipedia page. It has a bunch of sources. The Argentine Government called it a warcrime but their Navy has always held (and has testified before various courts) that the sinking was a legitimate act. The Captain gave interviews where he said as much too.
@@juliannavarro3440
"Source?"
The source was the Captain of the Belgrano.
I saw a video in which he himself said that very thing. The video is probably somewhere on RUclips.
If I can find it I'll post a link.
It`s quite simple. As long as the Belgrano was outside gunnery range it was a hapless target. BUT .... if it would have come close enough to use its guns, those 15 radar guided 6 inch guns would have shredded any of those modern unarmoured ships within a few minutes. You can compare it to an axeman walking towards a rifleman. Easy kill for the rifleman, but he has to shoot before the axeman gets close enough to use his axe.
Fun fact,
I'm from Chile, and lots of times some people from Argentina call us "traitors" for helping the UK and not Argentina, but turns out that there were plans to invade Chile after dealing with the Falklands.
Everyone here likes to blame Chile for our defeat, but they conveniently forget that Galtieri publically said Chile was next after the islands were consolidated (that's why the conscripts went to the island and most of the elite professional troops remained on the mainland, stationed on the border with Chile).
Whilst many argentineans believe Chile betrayed us, I simply believe they had no choice but to ally our enemies.
Went to Chile and met lots of great people, don't know why some people insist on us hating each other.
Also Argentina had plans to invade Chile before the Falklands but as they were both Catholic the pope intervened. Chile's role in the war is underestimated by almost everyone, Chile provided radar stations and the one day that they weren't working was the day hms Sheffield and another British ship were sunk by exorcet missiles
@@liammulvey6008 Yes, RADAR was provided as well as passage and infrastructure for intelligence officers that would scout our air bases to report when would planes take off.
Chile and Argentina had a very turbulent relationship in the 20th century, the fact that we did not go to war back then was a miracle (sure, people worked to get that miracle going, but boy it was hard).
Nowadays whilst there are some reactionary elements that want war between the countries and eventually another war with the English, the majority of the population wants nothing to do with war, thank God.
Soy de argentina y los que dicen eso son tremendos boludos que no conocen la historia.
Despues si le contas a esos mismo la traicion de argentina a peru en su guerra contra paraguay, dicen que fue el gobierno. Lo mismo tendria q ser con chile entonces. Una boludes. No somos hermanos. Pero tampoco ninguno de los dos somos traidores. Saludos
@@albertofrankdiaz6664 es horrible como el gobierno argentino traicionó a los hermanos peruanos, pero creo que el problema es que aún hay varios sectores de la población de Chile que rivalizan con Argentina, aunque la decisión haya sido por el gobierno chileno.
Being Colombian I have to chime in and mention that Colombia did not support Argentina taking any military action against great Britain. This was highly controversial as all other latin American countries supported argentina's war efforts. Colombia stubbornly advocated for diplomatic negotiations despite all other countries not understanding Colombia's position of not aligning in one united South American front. Carlos Lemonds Simmons, Colombia's ministry of foreign affairs during that time really caught some slack for that, although you could say that in hindsight he might have been right. So just felt i should correct that, that although Colombia supported argentina's claim, they didn't support any military intervention on the Malvinas (Falklands)
Saludos desde Argentina. Love your reactions.
bello emparedado, hermano Argentino, parece con los que hago, en el desayuno.
Okay
@@maximilianolimamoreira5002 los gringos le robaron la tierras de ustedes
React to Oversimplified's Emu War, please!
Chile's position was interesting during this time, the Beagle Conflict was 4 years prior to the Falklands War, and Chile was scared that if the UK didn't managed to take the islands back, Argentina would then turn against Chile. For this reason Pinochet's regime offered everything the Brittish needed in order to take back the islands, at the end this became known to the public and it still is something some Argentinians feel upset about.
Chile made the right choice by siding with the democratic state defending its territory against an aggressive military dictatorship.
@@Valencetheshireman927you do know that Pinochet was a dictator who in operation condor actually teamed up with Argentina (and several other nations) to brutally kill any opposition one infamous way was by taking them high up in a helicopter and dropping them
U are pretty right, there was so much happening at that time, even in the Indian subcontinent with the battle of plassey and also the revolutions
The UK sub used a torpedo. Argentina was the one that used the Exocet missile. It was the biggest threat to the British task force.
"Conqueror fired three 21-inch Mk 8 mod 4 torpedoes" Wiki
England just beat Ukraine 4-0 and right after VTH uploads an oversimplified video. Perfect
Rip Germany
@@horseshit1503 even bigger rip to Ukraine
Imagine the rage od the ukrainian fans
@@yudhvirjamal1341 i imagine it be more misery for the Ukrainians but they did do well to get to the quater finals
I love those moments when you say almost exactly what is about to be said, just like with Thatcher.
My second favorite part is when you stop to look something up because that thing was so interesting.
Oversimplified is always a great choice. I really like the fact that you acknowledged that even though there was low casualties, there was alot of pain and suffering for the families. 👍
Yeah blue is a little distracting, if you want something different, maybe get a less intense blue or a gray?
I like it when Chris laughs, especially at oversimplified videos, it puts a happy on my face
Everyone is talking about how distracting the background is. I found it fine. I thought it fit in and matched well and it wasn't that distracting. I am probably overruled, so it doesn't really matter...
I would advise making the background dark grey if the black is fusing with your hair
Can’ wait till you reach 200k 🙏🏼👍🏼
I swear sometime its like he was consulted in the creation of these oversimplified videos, with the timing of his comments just before they’re mentioned in the video 😂
Conquest of Aztec empire and Inca empire from kings and generals would be interesting
15:00 i'm argentinian and yes the was Bad, but the worst things happened inside the country with over 30000 people missing, a Lot of them were babies; plus they really ruined the economy and we are still having the consequences of this dictatorship till this day
Hopefully things improve for Argentina soon!
I mean, also Argentinian here.
And to me one of the worst parts about it today is that there are still people focused on getting the islands when it was just a political move to distract from the country at the time.
Like that's that, trying to kick out people that have lived their whole lives in there isn't the good thing to do. And all the soldiers that fought are as much victims of the regime as the disappeared people.
But the propaganda runs deep.
“La Guerra Sucia”
no fueron 30000
@@nahuel3433 esa es la peor parte de la guerra. El grave error de la dictadura fue que tratar de recuperar las islas por la fuerza, le quitó legitimidad al reclamo válido por la soberanía. Y también es el error británico de asumir que el objetivo Argentino es echar de las islas a los colonos que viven ahi y que han vivido por decadas. Esas personas son tan libres de vivir en las islas como en cualquier otra parte del territorio nacional, es la soberanía y el acceso a los recursos debajo del suelo dónde viven, y en los mares alrededor lo que se reclama. Pero el Reino Unido no entiende eso porque en sus siglos de historia muchas veces resolvió conflictos similares con deportaciones masivas, por ejemplo los germanohablantes de los Sudetes después de la segunda guerra. Y además no está dispuesto a ceder una base que le provee proyección militar en el Atlántico sur.
That's the worst part of the war. It was a big mistake of the military junta to try regain the islans by using military force, as it diminished the legitimacy of a valid claim of sovereignty. It's also an error on the british side to assume that the Argentinean goal is to expel the settlers that have lived on the islands for decades. They are free to live there, as in any other part of Argentina; it's the sovereignty and access to the resources under the soil they live and in the surrounding seas what is under question. But the UK does not understand that because over centuries themselves have resolved similar conflicts by resorting to mass deportations, for example the german speaking people living in the Sudetelands after WWII. Plus, they don't want to lose a strategical base providing military projection over the south Atlantic.
The Argentine ship Belgrano was sunk by conventional torpedo from the British nuclear powered submarine HMS Conqueror - this sent the entire Argentine navy back to port for the duration.
Now I need to know if you have already reacted to the most brutal war in history.
The Emu war.
from the mini wars he only reacted to the battle of hastings and this
@@qui-gon7586 Thanks!
I could go for a reaction to the Emu War though.
There's this movie called This is England where this kid around 12 from a really working class kinda area like Liverpool or Manchester or something. His father is killed in the Falklands and he falls in with these local skinheads and this hardened skinhead who was twice his age and much bigger starts talking about meaningless the Falklands were and this little kid just sees red and rushes him and starts wailing on him.
And that's when they fully accept him because they were impressed by the balls that took.
I am very very happy about the sentence you made there at the end.
Even though the Falklands was a rather small war, for the people or rather the families of those involved, it is probably the most tragic thing to happen to them. And we should never forget that every single life, is like a whole world in itself. I hope my metaphor makes sense.
I had lunch in the officers mess on one of the Naval vessels in late March (might have been one of the RFA’s) that was in Chatham at the time. Father was Customs officer for the Dockyard so invites on board vessels docked in the yard was fairly common. They were all looking forward to several months in the Far East, I seem to recall Hong Kong and Singapore on the itinerary - next thing they are off to war and getting shot at. Makes you appreciate how brave these people are.
Worst thing was The Sun newspaper headline “Gotcha” on the sinking of the Belgrano. I was at University and an idiot who decided to plaster it on his door very quickly took it down. It is a war, you want to win but you should never glory in the suffering of others especially at sea.
for more on the falklands, react to a video on operation Black Buck, the longest range bombing mission that was done in the falklands conflict
11:56 the old adage that French and Brits will be attacking each other for all eternity comes to mind. One way or the other.
Another fact about it: The Argentinian Air Force was so effective because it was trained by German Aces after WWII ended.
they were effective because of range and expediency. Let's not mince words here.
The Argentinian Air Force failed because it did not have any airfield in the south which would have allowed large airstrikes, bringing their numerical superiority to bear. They were restricted to small groups of planes which gave the few british Harriers a fighting chance. Air Strikes consisting of 20 to 40 planes instead of 2 or 4 could have wiped out the ships of the Royal Navy.
So effective they won the conflict! Oh, wait.
@@bmused55 To be effective does not guarantee success, especially when the effectiveness is isolated in just one part of all the systems operating.
The air force was effective and sunk a considerable number of ships, but the army and navy underperformed heavily.
Untrue. The Argentine air force had been trained by the Israelis in jet combat. The experience of a WW2 ace would've been bloody useless since prop planes fight and fly in way different ways than cold war Jets.
The "black buck" long range bombing raids on the airfield of Port Stanley was at the time the longest bombing raid ever undertaken, having Vulcan bombers taking off in GB to bomb positions in the Falklands. As far as I remember even the refueling planes for the Vulcans needed refueling planes of their own to make the bombing runs possible.
At last, an historian who knows his stuff. I’ll subscribe.
Having said that, you did miss the gaff in the first part of the video. They constantly referred to “England” and “The English” while, in the same breath, showing the British flag (‘Union Jack’). The 1707 “Treaty of Union” between Scotland and England saw the formation of the United Kingdom. So it should have been “Britain” (or Great Britain) and “The British” rather than “England” and “The English”.
Nah - England is just shorthand for Great Britain/the United Kingdom/the British Isles... I know that gets people pissing their knickers, but it's the truth.
Only the Scotts and Welsh care that much.
As an extra side note, Chile worked with the UK (and still has a strong alliance with them) and to this day has a bitter rivalry with Argentina. Just one of those things...
The British relationship with Chile was much older than this. The British leased a base for their Pacific fleet at Valparaiso, Chile from 1837 to 1859. The British then moved the base to Esquimalt Harbour west of Victoria on Vancouver Island. The British trained Chilean Navy defeated the combined Peruvian and Bolivian navies a decade later helping them win the Pacific War in 1870. I understand Peru and Bolivia are still unhappy about their lost territory.
Fortunately the island was finally declared mine-free around the end of 2020!
My dad served down in the Falkland's and I did a 6 month tour of duty serving in the Royal Air Force. I've never seen a community of people more grateful than the islanders for what the UK did in protecting them from the Argentines. The way they were treated during the occupation in stanley and Goose Green was really disgusting. Soldiers defecating on the streets and vandalizing homes. I also got to meet one of the original marines who was there for the initial invasion and he told me how they held up in the governors house for hours before running out of munitions and surrendering.
Not much of a surprise since Argentina was a brutal dictatorship. I researched a lot of South American dictators for a school project and yeah must have been a scare time for the Falklands
Defecating on streets and vandalizing homes are common here in Argentina, sorry for that.
I’m a simple man, I see Vlogging Through History and Oversimplified and I click.
I love history. I’m glad I found your Channel today!
Welcome Damian!
I am from Peru and in this war we send weapons and volunters, in fact, we were the ones who contribute the most with argentine air superiority (this is something the peruvian arm forces would tell you if ask, so correct me if i am wrong). And to this day we both have a mutual respect and friendly relations
Panas 🤝
And as I understand other than Peru, only Venezuela openly supported Argentina in the conflict (mainly with oil I figure). Most other countries remained “neutral” in practice and speech
My favourite story of this war was when the Argentinians switched to driving on the Right in Port Stanley. The British locals under occupation, ignored this and there were several incidents when an Argentinian military vehicle would come face to face with a British civilian vehicle on the same side of the road -or more usually on a single-track road. The British of course would obstinately refuse to move, while the Argentians had a standing order not to harm the civilians and would usually give way.
I live in chile, in this conflict we support the royal navy with suplies. Good vídeo 👍
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Gracias por la traición master, se los recordaran siempre como los traidores de america latina.
@@elpecas4004 de nada bro cuando se les ocurra hacer una estupidez así otra vez, vamos a estar acá para recordarles 👍
@@MrJuanchossss la decisión de un dictador para hacer la vista gorda ante un pueblo que estaba reprimido no es una decisión que tomo todo un pais, e igual nuestras familias lucharon con honor y con la ayuda de todos nuestros vecinos, todos menos uno. Nunca olvidamos a los traidores qué le dieron la espalda a todo un continente y le chuparon la verga a los ingleses.
@@elpecas4004 "la decision de un dictador no es una decision que tomo todo el pais" capo, sabes quien gobernaba en chile en esa epoca?
Yes
Three kingdoms by oversimplified ppppllleaaasseee🥺
Argentina: We are the Argentine army and we’re here to take your islands.
United Kingdom: That’s not how the song goes! *draws gun*
You had me at Oversimplified
I've seen most oversimplifieds video multiple times, but I'll always watch your reactions on them to get a more in depth look at things and learn even more!
You need to react to Oversimplified’s War of the Bucket. It is in your wheel house of medieval history.
We'd be all bursting into tears and laughter.
The sub didn’t use a missile, it used a ww2 era torpedo - as the sub captain had doubts as to the reliability of the more modern torpedos he had. Exocets were used by the Argentines to sink RN surface ships.
Having lived through this while I was still in the UK I'd say that not only was Maggie T definitely not going to put up with the invasion but also no PM was likely to tolerate it because of public opinion about the way the media presented it as a big loss for the UK.
Indeed. Even if it had been Michael Foot in power at the time, there would still have been a military response due to it being a sovereignty violation.
Hey, it's not always grey and rainy in the UK... it just is at the moment!
This is also the first war I remember living through - there was a whole lot of jingoism at the time (including the infamous "Gotcha!" headline when the Belgrano was sunk).
Hey, great video, I just wanted to add that the Argentine soldiers were just teenagers, 18 or 19 years old that were obligated to be drafted to war and fought against trained British soldiers. They were left in the cold without any equipment and with the guns that sometimes even backfired or exploited in their hands, against all of the technology from the British and even with night vision equipment. The Argentine government at that time was already being affected and people were about to kick them out so that was their last hope to stay in the power but it was just a drunk general that underestimated the British and sent untrained teenagers to war to die. Even the supplies that the people were sending to the soldiers were not even sent to them since the captains or the persons in charge of that just stole them. Las malvinas siempre van a ser Argentinas.
Interesting thing to note is that in France we still call the islands by their Argentinian name, the "Malouines" (Malvinas for Argentina). So the french still hold at least a little bit of a grudge towards England :)
That's because actually the word "Malvinas" has a French origin. The French explorer Bouganville established a settlement in those islands with French settlers from the city of Saint-Malo, so they were "malouines". The Spanish authorities expelled them but for some reason the name remained.
Margret Thatcher was also fighting for political survival at the time and welcomed a foreign threat to volunteer to unite her country against.
As a child of 2 members of the Royal Navy, I can say that the Falklands war is well remembered (my mum was there on patrol after the war)
Now you need to do Sabaton "Back in Control."
I remember this actually came back up in 2012 during the London Olympics. The Argentine Olympic team went out to the Falklands for training and posted photos with the captions “Training for England in Argentine soil.”
England wasn’t amused.
"England wasn't amused"... It's the first I've heard of it! And, a decade later - the Falkland Islands are still British, as they always will be.
Ok, if no one's gonna do it, i'm gonna do it.
ORDERS FROM THE IRON MAIDEN:
GET THE ISLANDS BACK
FAILURE WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED,
CALL FOR ARTILLERY STRIKE,
LAUNCH ATTACK!
SABATON INTENSIFIES
HMS Alacrity was tasked with finding out if the sound was mined as it was a general-purpose frigate and not a mine sweeper they sailed back and forth a bit and as they did not explode determined that the sound was not mined so the landing took place
Strange choice on Oversimplified's part to color Argentina red and Britain blue.
Argentina- Aggressor
Britain- Defender
It’s probably not an opinion on “right or wrong” don’t read to much into small details like that. Historiography doesn’t need that
@@sohums.6107 I'm not inferring anything from the coloring. However their respective homeland were colored red and white, which is inconsistent with the colors on the island.
A guy I work with was part of this conflict back in his 20s, ended up being one of those injured. His story is harrowing.
He does like to tell stories so im not sure how gospel how he got his injury is, but he claims he was shot through the mouth while shouting at the Argentines (gobby northerner). Has an exit wound scar on the back of his neck to boot, mere millimetres to the right of his brain stem.
So that, being from Sheffield myself and given what happened to HMS Sheffield, I've taken particular interest in this conflict.
Great video 👍
"1982, no help from no one else"
Fantastic once again from you, sir! Nothing but respect for you from across the pond 🇬🇧
Actually Chile helped us out a lot! They used their radar to inform us of military flights taking off from Argentina, giving the task force pre-warning of air strikes.
@@Davey-Boyd That's a good point, actually. I didn't know about Chile's involvement. Thanks!
So much stuff happened in the war, I know that it only lasted 2 and a half months but it should have its own full-length video because he didn’t even go into the incredible retaking of South Georgia island or the 56 mile march by the Royal Marines who then still managed to defeat the massive amount of Argentinians (sometimes engaging in hand-to-hand combat with them).
Great video, mate! You make a lot a videos about the U.S and europe history and that's fine and understandable , but how about you do a reaction video about neighbour countries?( Aka Latin America), if you want my suggestion , a reaction video about the Paraguay War (biggest war in LatAm) would be cool
A couple of points re the war.
If Argentina had mounted the operation a couple of years later Britain couldn’t have retaken the islands as the Royal Navy at the time was going through a series of cuts.
The British lost almost all of its helicopters when the Atlantic Conveyor was sunk as they hadn’t had time to offload them. As a result the British troops mostly had to walk to Port Stanley in lousy weather across boggy ground which led to cases of trench foot and hypothermia. The Paras called the marching Tabbing and the marines called it yomping.
HMS Conqueror sank the Belgrano and was the first nuclear submarine to ever sink a ship in combat. She used WW2 era torpedos to do it.
A few things worth mention:
-Thatcher was herself on hot water back home, not just because she was a woman, but because her economic policies were not liked by a lot of people. The coal miners come up to my mind.
- British forces were not just better trained, and had better gear, they were even better supplied despite being really far away from the UK. Some argentinean conscripts had to scavenge for food, 'hunting' sheeps on the islands so they had anything to eat. They were also severely punished physically by their own officers (who answered back to the military dictatorship); so no wonder why they would surrender even to a smaller enemy force. They would probably be treated better and fed better as POWs.
- The US were not the only ones who supported dictators, selling them weapons. Funny enough, a couple of destroyers in the Argentinean navy were actually bought to the UK, the same Type 47 as the Sheffield.
- I don't know what is the situation of british war veterans, but in Argentina most goverments didn't do much to help them with the mental trauma of being in a war. It has gotten so bad, that in the years since, there have been more deaths by suicide than actual casualties during wartime.
My grandfather was an engineer on HMS Sheffield and and got reposted 3 months before the start of the war and he lost a lot of friends when it sank
He should do a video on Irish history
“He’ll do fooking nothing!” - Conor McGregor
Depends if it's really biased - like the 'sarcastic' channel video. Some videos of modern history can have an agenda.
I saw a video of the Sheffield during my time in the German Navy. The warhead of the rocket didn't explode, but the fire caused by the remaining fuel was so intense, that they where not able to extinguish it. They had to abandoned the ship, and it sank during the salvage, a few days later.