Nice video. Thanks for yesterday with me and Francois, really enjoyed that. Sorry about the bit with Riley the Dude, i've already apologised. Good day!
It’s quite understandable that when a new train line opens, there will be delays and issues, because the line is still trying to sync in with the rest of the network. I said this because Ellenbrook and midland have 1 minute on platform 8. It’s at the start of the video. 0:03
I totally get that you're not totally satisfied with how Transperth managing with the Ellenbrook line and why is it not extended all the way to Daglish. I'm a commuter users myself and if you actually send a feedback to Transperth based on this video, all of us here in Perth should be grateful with our public transportation network in comparison to the east coast - their network is 2x worse compared to us here in the west coast.
hold on im kind of confused, at the start of the video you shows the screen for platform 9 with no trains, whats the reason they cant terminate Ellenbrook trains there, is it to do with a lack of cross overs or something different
@055f00 thats really interesting, because i was looking at the map for perth station and they have anough platforms for all lines. if they dindt have this strange rule they should have made ellenbrook line trains terminate on platforms 8/9, airport and midland/fremantle lines run through on platform 6 and 7 and have vic park terminate 5 and 4, yes they would have to build crossovers, but that could be done quickly and would probably use the money instead of for the daglish siding upgrade
@Revilok08 There *are* crossovers, but they would involve trains moving in the wrong direction and crossing over active tracks, which just isn’t feasible with the frequency of trains in the Bayswater - Claremont track
@Revilok08 that can work but they would need to build another crossover from the Fremantle up track to platform 7 to up trains don’t congest the Fremantle down platforms
there is space on the eastern side of Perth where if they were smart they would use the "siding" connect it back up to the midland out, all Ellenbrook train coming IN use the switch over just south of Mclver go right in to plat* 9
Armad resident here, I heard u mention something about testing soon for Armadale line, there's been some news im not sure if you've heard of, but apparently there's been cracks found in supporting beams and could possibly be delayed for operations to start again.
@@ThomasWilson07 That's at Armadale yes. That's why that's delayed until 2026. But the rest of the elevated section to Cannington is nearly ready and testing will commence on Sunday.
@@TransportofPerth Hi there, i did comment on your previous video about the armadale line testing, there are currently 2 sets of signals at the armadale bound end of gosnells stn and there are also a siding where the old station used to be, so i believe Armadale line trains will run to gosnells stn with 907 RR still running Armadale - Gosnells
They should double up the line freo to to claremont so they can have express trains with freo trains only stopping at subiaco and claremont to make journeys way faster especially when the freo line links up to Cockburn. Commuting to freo is ridiculous stopping constantly. Airport line trains can deal with the stations airport to freo.
Daglish would not be an ideal station to terminate services due to it not being accessible from platform to street level. The platforms themselves are compliant with current standards for level boarding (save for the lack of tactile ground surface indicators at the platform edges) but the single point of entrance requires the negotiation of a long ramp with a grade of 1:7 - not safe for those with mobility impairments. Regarding the Ellenbrook Line, it has always been my opinion that the route that this line should have taken should have involved tunneling from Beechboro to the city via Beaufort Street creating an isolated "sector", but now that the line has built, the best way to operate it to ensure long-term reliability is as a branch service starting at Bayswater platforms 2 and 3. There is a convenient cross-platform transfer in the prevailing direction of travel in each direction so the inconvenience that this solution bestows would be minimal in most cases.
Why does the terminus need to be accessible to exit? If someone accidentally stayed on they can just take another train back. Or they could make it terminate at Subiaco at least that is a busy station the frequency should still be high too. Yes the line should have been built as a tunnel under the Galleria... They always just want to run it to Perth though or people will just be annoyed at having to change. It's really not ideal though.
@@TransportofPerth Would be best practice to terminate at an independently accessible station. That being said, terminating trains at Daglish can't be as bad as what they did when they terminated trains at Cottesloe. As you probably know, Cottesloe station commits three out of four "sins": non-conforming platform gaps (both platforms, both horizontal gap and vertical step), has a level crossing as part of the designated accessible pathway and is not equipped with tactile ground surface indicators (and of course, there's the footbridge with steep 1:8 grade ramps and stair only access to platform also).
@@Tysxno It's just old and gets kinks in it which are unsuitable for higher speeds. There are so many bits like this along the heritage lines it's crazy how many speed restrictions there are now. The Armadale Line has had all its track replaced during the big shutdown even the bits that aren't being elevated so it won't be a problem there anymore but they same will have to someday be done on the Midland and Fremantle Lines.
I feel like anyone could See this was always going to be absolute dumb with the imbalance of lines entering from the Eastern side of the Perth CBD without any branching or Higher demand on the Western side to balance it out.
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Nice video. Thanks for yesterday with me and Francois, really enjoyed that.
Sorry about the bit with Riley the Dude, i've already apologised. Good day!
It’s quite understandable that when a new train line opens, there will be delays and issues, because the line is still trying to sync in with the rest of the network. I said this because Ellenbrook and midland have 1 minute on platform 8. It’s at the start of the video. 0:03
I disagre the new train line wasnt built in a day and proper planning would of prevented it
I totally get that you're not totally satisfied with how Transperth managing with the Ellenbrook line and why is it not extended all the way to Daglish.
I'm a commuter users myself and if you actually send a feedback to Transperth based on this video, all of us here in Perth should be grateful with our public transportation network in comparison to the east coast - their network is 2x worse compared to us here in the west coast.
hold on im kind of confused, at the start of the video you shows the screen for platform 9 with no trains, whats the reason they cant terminate Ellenbrook trains there, is it to do with a lack of cross overs or something different
I think because it’s only one platform so it would get trains would get congested
They like to keep a couple platforms empty at Perth in case of emergencies
@055f00 thats really interesting, because i was looking at the map for perth station and they have anough platforms for all lines. if they dindt have this strange rule they should have made ellenbrook line trains terminate on platforms 8/9, airport and midland/fremantle lines run through on platform 6 and 7 and have vic park terminate 5 and 4, yes they would have to build crossovers, but that could be done quickly and would probably use the money instead of for the daglish siding upgrade
@Revilok08 There *are* crossovers, but they would involve trains moving in the wrong direction and crossing over active tracks, which just isn’t feasible with the frequency of trains in the Bayswater - Claremont track
@Revilok08 that can work but they would need to build another crossover from the Fremantle up track to platform 7 to up trains don’t congest the Fremantle down platforms
It really is chaotic with how the three train lines are run together! It's like other busier cities.
Perth Station needed a complete upgrade! It's basically the same rail line from when i was a kid in the 70's
been waiting for this
13:28 Claisebrook Slidings? 😂
@@kaynemcclelland318 Whoops I meant depot.
there is space on the eastern side of Perth where if they were smart they would use the "siding" connect it back up to the midland out, all Ellenbrook train coming IN use the switch over just south of Mclver go right in to plat* 9
Imagine if perth brings back trams
26:48 They could do what they did for Airport
Instead of having Perth, then changing desto, they could just keep Freo on there
*NB: Both Airport directions had Perth, then changed to its terminus at Perth
Same thing could apply to Midland
Armad resident here, I heard u mention something about testing soon for Armadale line, there's been some news im not sure if you've heard of, but apparently there's been cracks found in supporting beams and could possibly be delayed for operations to start again.
@@ThomasWilson07 That's at Armadale yes. That's why that's delayed until 2026. But the rest of the elevated section to Cannington is nearly ready and testing will commence on Sunday.
@@TransportofPerth Hi there, i did comment on your previous video about the armadale line testing, there are currently 2 sets of signals at the armadale bound end of gosnells stn and there are also a siding where the old station used to be, so i believe Armadale line trains will run to gosnells stn with 907 RR still running Armadale - Gosnells
@brendanstevens9237 Yes that's exactly what the plan is.
@@TransportofPerthwhoa
I was on the ellenbrook line train after the one you filmed :(
They should double up the line freo to to claremont so they can have express trains with freo trains only stopping at subiaco and claremont to make journeys way faster especially when the freo line links up to Cockburn. Commuting to freo is ridiculous stopping constantly. Airport line trains can deal with the stations airport to freo.
Daglish would not be an ideal station to terminate services due to it not being accessible from platform to street level. The platforms themselves are compliant with current standards for level boarding (save for the lack of tactile ground surface indicators at the platform edges) but the single point of entrance requires the negotiation of a long ramp with a grade of 1:7 - not safe for those with mobility impairments.
Regarding the Ellenbrook Line, it has always been my opinion that the route that this line should have taken should have involved tunneling from Beechboro to the city via Beaufort Street creating an isolated "sector", but now that the line has built, the best way to operate it to ensure long-term reliability is as a branch service starting at Bayswater platforms 2 and 3. There is a convenient cross-platform transfer in the prevailing direction of travel in each direction so the inconvenience that this solution bestows would be minimal in most cases.
Why does the terminus need to be accessible to exit? If someone accidentally stayed on they can just take another train back. Or they could make it terminate at Subiaco at least that is a busy station the frequency should still be high too.
Yes the line should have been built as a tunnel under the Galleria... They always just want to run it to Perth though or people will just be annoyed at having to change. It's really not ideal though.
@@TransportofPerth Would be best practice to terminate at an independently accessible station. That being said, terminating trains at Daglish can't be as bad as what they did when they terminated trains at Cottesloe. As you probably know, Cottesloe station commits three out of four "sins": non-conforming platform gaps (both platforms, both horizontal gap and vertical step), has a level crossing as part of the designated accessible pathway and is not equipped with tactile ground surface indicators (and of course, there's the footbridge with steep 1:8 grade ramps and stair only access to platform also).
I think Perth station might need to get expanded adding an extra platform next to the current platform 9 or Ellenbrook trains can continue to daglish
I wished they could but don't have enough space for any more
How much are trains slowed when its very hot?
I'm not really sure it seems to vary a lot
When is wannaroo going to open
In like a decade if not more
@TransportofPerth cool is that the next project for wa trains
I think they'll probably connect High Wycombe and Thornlie first.
@@TransportofPerthwow
I wonder if they will allow enthusiasts a chance to go on the daglish transfer?
@@iainhughes4630 No they would never accommodate such things 🤣
Everything is just 'so stoopid'
And with the black signs does it mean that multiple lines are interchanging at that station?
You would think so but then they put them at several stations on the Yanchep Line which has no other line...
@ not yet there is
@@Realford.gamingnew line leak real
this week with trains was absolutely dog crap was late almost everyday for school because of trains because my school is on the fremantle line.
there’s always delays i swear
Literally for the first 2 days since it opened
@ first 3 days
Why do Perth bound trains still need to go slow through the tunnel after east Perth?
Still haven't fixed the track in there they're gonna have to completely remove it at some point to bring it back to line speed.
@ damn… what was the issue with the track? You’d think they would have fixed it during the shutdowns
@@Tysxno It's just old and gets kinks in it which are unsuitable for higher speeds. There are so many bits like this along the heritage lines it's crazy how many speed restrictions there are now. The Armadale Line has had all its track replaced during the big shutdown even the bits that aren't being elevated so it won't be a problem there anymore but they same will have to someday be done on the Midland and Fremantle Lines.
As someone who talks to the camera do you get weird looks from people?
Yeah but I just ignore it whatever.
Is there a Metronet stage 2 in planning yet Mark do you know?
@@swanman1984. Yes. Including High Wycombe to Thornlie Link and maybe East Wanneroo Line
@TransportofPerth ok nice 👌 I'm guessing a wanneroo line will link off the yanchep line at some point!
@@swanman1984. East Wanneroo Line is planned to branch off the Ellenbrook Line after Noranda and the join up to the Yanchep Line before Clarkson
the ellenbrook line is good but the fact that the operations and delays exist arent good
I feel like anyone could See this was always going to be absolute dumb with the imbalance of lines entering from the Eastern side of the Perth CBD without any branching or Higher demand on the Western side to balance it out.