What Zeno Can't Erase Explained, Dragon Ball Super
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Hello and welcome back all my dragon ball theorist many anime's in ways have contradictions as the story evolves. Something is impossible until of course our hero does it or there is just someone that comes a long and disobeys all the laws. Whis has stated that there is nothing that Lord Beerus can't erase living or dead. We accepted this as the power of a God of Destruction as their divine role in the Universe. Then we learn of the existence of a mortal that even his God of Destruction can't defeat. Initially we thought it was insane and it doesn't make sense except in Episode 126 where we have the Epic conclusion of Super Saiyan Blue Evolution Vegeta vs God of Destruction Toppo. We saw Vegeta demonstrate a power by encasing his fist in his Ascended Blue Energy actually canceling out Hakai energy, punching right through it. A feat of strength no mortal should be able to do, but Vegeta did it.
Of course this is that contradiction and there are things that even a God of Destruction can't erase. We can't really compare Toppo though fresh off his God training and just learning to use Hakai to
Beerus power who has been a God of Destruction for millions of years. However it showed for us visually how Jiren who is the strongest mortal can defeat his God of Destruction Vermoud. We learned that Power alone can cancel out even the Hakai power of the Gods. Which makes me ask the question are there things Zeno can't erase?
I have talked about this topic before in a video a very long time ago called False Gods and how Zeno is supposed to be this supreme being who sits on the top of the Multiverse. Except as Dragon Ball
Super has gone on, Zeno is showing more and more weaknesses. That there are things beyond his scope of abilities and power. A short list of things we would expect the Omni King to be able to do but can't are. First, not being able to follow Dyspo movements in his super fast fight. People for some reason will counter argue well that is because Zeno isn't a fighter. Which doesn't make much sense, you are either Thee God of everything or your not. If you really are All Powerful there really isn't anything you can't see or do.
Which brings us to the fact we have 2 Zeno's now and this kinda tarnished the entire supreme being role. How can there actually be 2 Omni Kings which clearly means they aren't above Time. Dragon Ball Super has 7 timelines now which means there are 7 total Zeno's out there. Something crazy to think about. We should get them all together for Tournament of Power across every time line. Kidding of course!
Next on this list is relying on the Grand Priest to observe the multiverse. They aren't omniscient which you would think comes with the title Omni, King, so as the show goes on there could be more things that contradict what these supposed Supreme rulers can and can't do. They rely on the Grand Priest as their attendant who functions much like Whis does for Beerus. Guiding the Zeno's when needed or just keeping them entertained so they aren't erasing things. Finally why even have body guards? Not even going into that topic as I have done entire videos just on them.
So what else can Zeno, not do? Is the show going to continue like we are seeing right now in the Manga and we will learn they aren't as Supreme as we thought? Are there things right now that Zeno
can't erase? First lets take a look into this ability itself.
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What If Theories Super Dragon Balls can be used to restore Planet Vegeta
Actually, there's a hole in your theory about the Angels can't be erased. The Grand Priest from Trunks timeline got erased with the timeline. We saw when Goku came back there was nothing there. There should be two Grand Priests in this timeline if he couldn't get erased.
OK, I have to interrupt you, because you answered your own theory in an old video!!!!! Clearly Zamasu took over the future xeno!!! remember, the hand switching copying thing he does, and the different color thing in the preview when they fly through each other. We also know in dragon ball heroes that zamasu survived, that's an easter egg hint!!!!! THink about it!!!! So basically xeno can't destroy the dragon balls or zamasu, and when he erased the future timeline, that released zamasu from "being the universe" so now zamasu was formless again, and the only thing left to attach to or invade was xeno, so zamasu is inside of future xeno right now!!! xeno might not even know, or maybe it's actually zamasu in disguise. I wrote this theory off months ago, but now it's looking like maybe it is what is happening.......
Zamasu destroyed the dragon balls after he wished for immortality why can't zeno just erase it
Look the reason why zeno cant see the speed of people of the tournament of power is because he has 3 other forms
this is what the recycle bin does to files and apps
Underrated comment I laught so hard nice
Overrated reply i glared in cringe so hard dumb
It could b argued that , killing merged zamasu equaled and or surpassed super shinlong's power forcing the wish to need adaption to fulfill the wish . Which is crazily insane served with a side of ......"impossible"
Zamasu wished for the power of invincibility and not imortality. There's a difference if i'm not mistaken.
Well it was for immortality but the English dub said invincibility which I like better.
@@WhatIfTheories im looking forward to goku teaching broly
He's a God doesn't he already have immortality. Invulnerability just make it so he doesn't get hurt.
Zamasu was immortal up until he fused with the other zamasu because that one wasn’t thats why his body started to get damaged but after it was destroyed he remained until zeno destroyed it
More like he wished it as being physically immortal and invincible
Thank you for all your hard work giving us these types of videos while we wait for Super to return!!! Love it!
I think we're all forgetting the true most powerful being
Mr. Popo
I guessed this before looking :)
U mean Monaka?
What If Theories u mean yamcha
@@alexx9201 *cough* farmer with a shotgun
TFS
This is what explained videos should be like!! Amazing and thanks for the Vid!
akira toriama could just make krillin op, then poof bye zeno
Or Yamcha lol
Lol R/Woosh
or zalama
As a nearly life-long DB fan I appreciate the time and effort being put into this and other videos like it. What If Theories does a great job laying out his hypotheses and his logic is sound. Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much appreciate it greatly :)
Once zamazu fused with Goku black , he was no longer immortal. Remember that the first zamazu wished for a body swap with Goku . The supreme Kai's stated that merged zamazu was becoming unbalanced and falling apart .
He was still immortal, once his body was destroyed.
The only thing is Zeno may not have really erased them permanently. Whis knew everyone would comeback with the wish. The Grand Priest even said “If a selfish wish would’ve been made, Zeno would’ve erased everything.” Beerus didn’t even know. Zeno knew 17 would wish everyone back.
It seems you know better than who created the anime 😂😂 it's said in anime angels cant be erased, only way it's to use their full power. But if you know better than Akira, then you're right 😂😂
@@LawlietGohanelAkira literally said the Angels can't overrule and override Grand Zeno
i agree@@alexsmith1207
He could erase the Super Dragonballs.
Great video as always
Love the video and how you actually take the time to prove your points!! You can't really debunk anything you said!!
I think the Angel's are from one of thes universes that zeno erased from the 18 and he kept them. And that's why they cant be erased no matter what universe they represent unless zeno wants to erase them. They aren't immune they are scared of zeno aswell
I don't think Zeno is all powerful, he is just the most powerful. There are very different
I get chu
Hey man love ur vids I liked the topic I’ve been waiting for this for a while thank you so much I don’t mean to be rude when I say I’ve been waiting but thank you
If you wish to be immune to erasure you'd also need a wish to be immortal.
Which zamasu didn't survive.
We love you bro continue to be great #CatchTheVibe
Thanks enjoy the day!!
zeno is no different from a child emperor in ancient china
Very similar yes.
@@WhatIfTheories hey ik you did this vid for more than 2years but can zeno actually erase an infinite universe?
@@thekiller4829 In the Dragon Ball Universe yes. His erasing ability is unique. It's not like some explosion but removing something from existence.
Sounds ok but i like the fan manga with zeno banishing the othe 6 angels alongside the grand priestess and got wished back by android 17 when he wished for all universe distroyed to come back
It cool 🥺🥺 and it would make things interesting. If we’re talking about the same fan manga were whis older brother gone rogue and is fighting goku and vegeta becoming a god of destruction
Dude the angel's aren't immune to being erased the amount of reach in your video is insane.
I said I welcome any counter argument. Is there any proof to your claim? No there isn't. Have we ever seen an Angel erased? Nope. At any point has there been mention of an Angel erased? Nope. Just saying.... Who is reaching :)
@@WhatIfTheories Whis says himself it doesn't matter what the scale or COMPLEXITY of the target Zeno can erase it. There hasn't been anything in the show that debunks what whis said about Zeno power. There hasn't been a situation where Zeno needed to or wanted to erase the angels. Except for what happened to the other angels off-screen your speculation is not proof it ain't nothing but a theory.
@@WhatIfTheories Like I said before your reach is insane
What If Theories hey great video bro definitely enjoyed this topic so far what you said make sense we all just have to wait and see if something turns out to be on the spot ;)
Thanks appreciate it :)
Lots of love sir❤
I honestly think that the "Grand Priest" is the actual Omni King and Zeno is a decoy Omni King and Moro will know that
Same idea
Kev J Smith eh I just think he’s being raised by the grand priest to take over his role
Well how old is grand priest?
Skyly Plays most likely as old as the universes themselves
Maybe the grand priest is the omni king's angel. And like the gods of destruction, their angel is stronger than them. Maybe the omni king is the strongest god of destruction. Dunno. Just a thought.
you just made my day! thx
Sweet have a great rest of the week :)
zeno CAN actually erase everything, he was made by tori bot to become the omni king and able to erase everything, tori bot is a manefestation avatar of akira toriyama.
I really need you to write Dragon Ball Super when it comes back man
I would love to tell part of the story or even do an episode! That would be the dream!
Oh heck yeah. Give all this to a writer and see what they can do with it. That would be friggin awesome
I feel the Super Dragon Balls are connected to Zeno because he knew about Champa's tournament. As we've seen in the Moro Arc even when an angel dies, Zeno didn't notice.
This means that there was someone who created both Zeno and the dragonballs which would explain how they are connected. It would also explain why time travel is forbidden, because Zeno and the super dragon balls are both controlled by this being, but it only works in the Original timeline. It makes a new Zeno and a new super Dragonball set meaning that this person no longer has the ability to control everything.
Yea very possible Zeno and the Dragonballs could be connected somehow especially if Zalama is a grand creator. The birth of Zeno represents the start of the King's calendar then in the year 41 the Super dragon balls are created. Although someone let Zeno know about Champa's tournament, likely the grand priest. When Zeno arrived at the tournament he said he was notified about their plans. Which makes sense since the Grand priest also showed Zeno everyone preparing for the tournament of power. I assume the Grand priest is just Zeno's ears and eyes and watches over the multiverse then alerts Zeno of anything strange. Good thoughts :)
@@WhatIfTheories Oh thx I feel like the Grand Priest has a back up plan if Zeno goes berserk. Like a kill switch or a reset button for his brain.
@@michaelanuradha-khufu4867 Makes sense since that is what Whis does to Beerus if he gets out of control he just knocks him out. Zeno also seems to have no control over time so maybe the Grand Priest uses that to his advantage.
@@WhatIfTheories I am being honest the Grand Priest is from a different reality or something and he has set up Zeno and the Super dragon balls as his keys to the Multiverse (and beyond)
The person you are talking abt is Zalama
The super dragon balls can do anything. And Zeno can't erase the angles. Having power can't prevent him from erasing you. There is no proof that he can't erase the super dragon balls.
Zeno can erase angels
@@ItachiUchiha-lw9wy there is zero evidence to that statement. Meanwhile if he erases a universe the angels are not erased.
@@kyleanderson449 he can erase angels he said they was exempt from being erased
@@Lastman6 zeno didn't say they were exempt. Whis did. This would imply he can't.
@@kyleanderson449 which was implied by Zeno in the beginning cs they whole point was finding new destroyers
im concerned about when whis said zeno erased 6 other universes and android 17 wished for all the universes that were erased to come back now there might be 6 other universes that were brought back so there could be a fighter stronger than jiren btw zeno destroyed them from a temper he had
Yes, i thought of this to but how wood "sum of Name of universes equels 13" work? Wood their be no such thing for 13-18? Was for example one of thous u4 then got destroyed and then the former u5 got u4? Is entangelmet betwen universes not linked to their name and who gave them even such names?
Yannick Karges the number would change to 19... 1+18 2+17 so on
Keep them vids coming
Thanks :)
If zeno can not erased the super dragon balls, then how come in trunks timeline Zamasu was able to destroy the super dragon balls?
Because Zamasu wished for invincibility, then she went a year in the future with goku black so they can use the balls again, Then Zamasu wished for the destruction of the balls, so like thanos," I used the stones to destroy the stones".
Love ❤️ videos keep up good work I just want to say that just because someone has Omni in their name doesn’t mean them omnipotent the word Omni in his name could just simply mean eternal as for e.g he lives forever as we all know that Zeno isn’t omnipotent keep up the good work man👍🏾
The reason Zeno could still erase Zamasu is because the Super Dragon Balls don't nullify his ability to erase you. But they can reverse it.
Meaning, if Zeno so wished, he could just erase all the universes again. And then they could bring them back again. And so on.
But Zamasu said that they’ve destroyed the super sragon balls in their timeline so they aren’t so omnipotent then.
@@nikstoun9478. The Super Dragonballs can grant any wish, regardless if they can be destroyed or not.
Amazing video once again! Everyone before you make a comment make sure to watch the video. This channel has been built up from pure truth, honesty. There's so many theories for Zeno. Either zeno isn't actually the true omni-king.(maybe his father is on vacation or retired). Heck maybe zeno has a true form. This current childish form is to restrain his immense power, probably his true form would destroy the multi verse. Of course his true form would he a much more wise, older sounding and looking.
Thanks so much just got done work reading comments now :) I try to take a lot of time to build up the theory and make sure there is evidence supporting it and even debunk the cross arguments. I think Zalama or someone from the world beyond that created everything has yet to be seen.
Maybe the 7 time lines represent each Zeno being separated to stop his rampage on the 6 universes that was erased by him. Could you imagine all 7 of them merging? Why have they not punished anyone for time traveling?
Zeno erased the angels from the zamusu arc when he erased that multiverse. Him erasing zamusu also shows that his power supersede that of the power given by the super dragon balls. He wished to live for ever and the omniking said nah.
We don't know that he erased the angels. I also did mention why Zamasu was able to be erased by Zeno. His power doesn't supersede the Super Dragon Balls as there is no limit to their wishing power! They can reverse Zeno's erasing. If Zeno was above them they wouldn't be able to reverse it.
Lots of food for thought here.
The Angels in the Universes Zamasu destroyed were not defeated. Since the God’s of Destruction were not there there was no need for an Angel , thus the went to the world beyond. That was specifically mentioned in show when Whis told Goku Beerus’s weakness was the Supreme Kai. An Angel is not active if a God of Destruction doesn’t exist.
@@WhatIfTheories What I'm not getting with the, His power doesn't supersede the Super Dragon Balls as there is no limit to their wishing power! they are not alive on their own. and for them to work someone has to make a wish. and if Zeno so chooses he could just delete them. who made them to begin with Zeno? we don't know. just because he has not deleted them. does not mean he can't although I like the idea of the video. it's still speculation to what he can't and can do.
Great video
Thanks :)
Zeno has a plan to let the winner of the T.O.P to wish back the erased universes...surely he wouldn’t permanently erase them if he wanted them wished back. Maybe his power can erase things beyond the super dragon balls...he just didn’t want to
Wow... i am speechless... this is thrilling... wow...
Thanks so much really appreciate it :)
Never erased my clone
The Grand Priest is the Lord of Creation and Zeno is the Lord of Destruction. Basically like Whis and Berus but whereas Whis and Berus oversee the universe the Grand Priest and Zeno oversee the multiverse.
Also, the Super Dragonball's are not linked to a universe, they just happened to have been in those universes. I would speculate that they are randomly distributed across the universes.
The answer is very simple, as other videos have stated. Imagine Zeno has a button in his mind if he pushes it he can erase things. Take that button away (if even possible) and Zeno is nothing.
Seems that way but also can't help but think Zeno is indestructible. We don't really know what kind of attacks he can take just when Zamasu was becoming universal and Goku asked the Supreme Kai if Zeno was still alive he said nothing can kill him. Of course no one would dare try because he can erase everything. Would love to see Zeno take some punches or a massive blast.
*It'd be cool if Zalama was the mother of the angels*
Razeeq623 Zalama is a male.
If that were true then I wonder how did grand priest smash that 🤣🤣🤣
Amazing
Thanks :)
That's what I'm saying. The Angels are immune to Zeno's erasure. And Whis said in the Moro arc that the only way they die is if they break the Angel code which results to being erased by Whis
Grand priest erased meerus for fighting morro and zeno is stronger than the grand priest. So odds are zeno can erase the angels if he wanted to
@@simpgod2170 It was stated that Zeno can't erase the Angels in the Moro arc. Only Grand Priest can
@@dani-qh6wv was that specifically stated with confirmation?
Because zeno didn't know anything about meerus helping goku
@@simpgod2170 Yes, right when Whis went to pick up Merus when he was about to use his powers on Goku. And Zeno didn't know because he isn't nigh-omniscient like The Grand Priest because Grand Priest already knew about Merus being in trouble before Whis told him
@@dani-qh6wv doesn't mean he can't erase a angel
The super shenron is probably the one thing that cant be erased
Zamasu destroyed them with it's own power so I think it's not that.
The Grand Priest is too intriguing! His halo is vertical and he seems to be the most invincible of all! So, what if he created Zeno like he created the angels.
Legendary 34's gamings he blew up the Dragon balls not the dragon
@@Zero-hp1ds Destroyed Dragon balls= Destroyed dragon. Rewatch Dragon ball Z and Super episodes
@@funni1915 You didnt watch dragon ball
Destroying Balls and Dragon is completely different
@@zanin34122 if the dragom balls are destroyyed then the dragon is destroyed as well, just as if the dragon is killed the dragon balls are destroyed.
Zeno is a 6 year old boy playing dragon ball on his tablet. Zeno is the aviator of the 6 year old Jared. Now Jared has to many world on dragonball and on minecraft and is deleting a few of them
It makes sense though. The super dragon balls created by zalama is spread throughout universe 6 and 7. In the tournament of power Universe 6 was erased, therefore the other dragon balls must be erased too but it did not.
You apparently never watched the part when the grand priest said that if they were to make a selfish wish he would have erased everything bro but good try lol
Yes all the Universes would of been erased. Except the Angels. They would of returned back to the world beyond, until needed again.
What If Theories They will stay in their realm being angels. Zeno cannot erase them. They are from the same essence.
The first law of thermodynamics: matter can not be deleted or created, only converted.
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If you can't hide, what about Trunks and Mai?
Perhaps it means he cannot erase things across timelines.
Bingo, that is what I meant. It's one of his weaknesses.
@@WhatIfTheories keep up the videos man, I really enjoyed them since you started
The Dragon Balls were not in the 6th universe when Champa was erased. So they are NOT immune from being erased. Let alone the fact that they can be destroyed by Zamasu or pretty much anyone.
I like your theory here
It actually makes sense 👍🏾
Thanks did a lot of research and was fun to do to try and debunk the cross arguments I would get :)
if Grand Zeno destroys all the universes then the Dragon Balls go
Zeno can also erase *dragon balls*
No because The creator is alive and he is where zeno can’t destroy
Hey man! As always, awesome theory! I do want to share that Zeno can erase the super dragon balls. Thinking about how Zeno erased an entire timeline, that would also mean the super dragon balls (and not the angels, assuming all the GoDs are dead because of Zamasu).
However, this could change if for some reason anyone has to go back to that timeline to restore everything. Which reminds me why didn't Whis suggest using the dragon balls to wish back that timeline.
It is because Zamasu gathered the Super Dragon Balls again in that time line and had them shattered. It doesn't explain how they were shattered but it is implied he used a final wish to have them all destroyed. So that way they could never be used against Zamasu to undo his Zero Mortal Plan.
7:13 well,he couldn't do that in Trunks' timeline because along with the whole timeline,he was also erased....or was he? It remains a mystery for now...
When is the new dbs coming out?
What if the angels are the deserter villains and the demons come to get them back lol xd
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There should be a back story to Zeno, or how he came to be
Some great points there. Well covered.
On your point about the balls being designed to balance, Zamasu destroyed the balls in that timeline, therefore there could no longer be balance. Possibly another reason it was wiped out?
But consider if Zamasu made his first wish to be immune from Zeno powers or to erase Zeno himself? Then could he have truely become unstoppable after destroying the balls?
Also you talked about universe 6 being erased and the balls surviving that. I would argue that is because they are tied to not one universe, but 2 and erasing one universe wouldn't erase them or half of them.
From the above know they can in fact be destroyed. If universe 6 and 7 were erased that could become a potential problem, causing the balls to be erased as well, which makes me think it was foreshadowed or a premonition etc the grand priest knew universe 7 would be one of the final 2 universes at the end of the tournament.
Hey I just thought of something as you was describing it that the Angels comes from a different plane of existence completely that Zeno cannot destroy them I just saw something since the angel Wiese can actually use something like the hyperbolic Time Chamber stuff then isn't a hyperbaric chambers the Angels existence
I would like to point out that zeno stood in the presence of the super dragon balls. Why would the omni king feel obligated to stand to something he's allegedly above? But then again, it all started with the super dragon balls so maybe zeno is just below the dragon 🤔
But did zeno even really erase them in the top? I mean they wanted whoever wins to wish them back so would he not have put them in some sort pocket dimension or some sort of "frozen time"
Good point
The camera man Infinitly times more stronger than omni gogeta
Future zeno is not from the future timeline,he is from alternate reality,,when trunks back from the past he created a new split reality.
I always figured they were equals. The super dragon balls and Zeno that is. One being capable of countering the other's goals, but unable to directly effect each other's physical beings. It would be like the Kias and Destroyers in a way, Zeno being destructive and the SDB's capable of creation and recreation.
As for Omni king, it only translates to "King of everything". Nothing really states to my knowledge, though I may be forgetting something to be fair, that he knows everything or has infinite perception. Although as for the angels being immune to erasure I do not see anything stating if they can or cannot, and comparing Beerus's destructive capabilities to Zeno's might be a longshot. I personally feel he likely could, as for evidence Grand priest made the rules so he likely said "Hey boss, maybe you could not YEET my children please?" and Zeno could just be like "K". Or I do not even think they would be attached to the universe in the first place as they likely predate them and wouldn't be born there, thus they are not spiritually connected their and just flat avoid erasure.
If the God of Destruction has an Attendee in the form a Angel that means Zeno is Omni Destruct God with the Grand Priest is the Attendee like a Angel leaving Zamala! God of all Gods
There is a universe that Zeno can't erase and that is my own Dragon Ball universe named *Universe-83U*. Universe-83U is an independent universe or a rogue universe since it is not part of Zeno's multiverse, but it is part of the Dragon Ball Multiverse or Megaverse. Universe-83U is actually a multiverse of its own with at least parallel realities and alternate timelines, so Zeno can't erase it and neither its habitats, even if they enter to his universe.
zeno can delete anything .
@@joj0sgunz On his Universe my Universe is an independent universe since it is not part of Zeno's multiverse. Also there's no evidence so far to suggest Zono is omnipotent. Being omnipotent means you are Omnipresence - Be everywhere in existence at once, being Omniscience - Know everything and anything, and being Omnificence - Create anything and everything from nothing.
Zeno has not been portrayed to be neither of them, he has showed to rely on subjects around him just to get things done. While he can destroy universes and has survived universe destruction himself, he as done nothing to suggest that he can't be killed, the show has yet to reveal the limit of his power. And then there are two Zeno now showing he is not ominipotent since a real omnipotent being doesn't have another version of itself.
One big mistake you've made in this video never assume someone can't do something because they haven't been shown doing it
Exactly. It’s been stated that there is noting that he can’t erase. He also might have the power to create. We just don’t have enough information to assume anything.
@@moaphy didnt he erase everything in future
You know how 17 said to bring back all the universes to come back what about the other ones that where already gone did they come back
Well, In my opinion. Zamasu did do fusion with the other Zamasu that WASN’T immortal. So it kinda makes sense.
Zeno isn’t omnipotent. Therefore 1 exists in every other dimension.
Awesome theory! I don't have any objections with it. Great job!
Thanks appreciate it :)
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People keep forgetting that berrus died to zamasu in that time-line along with whis
If you don't know if a angel universe is erased they become weaker than others
7:50 How can Zamasu destroy them but Zeno can't lol
Hopefully in the next DBS series the give something more for Zeno origin an current events
A flaw in the idea that you are tied to your universe. Are you also tied to your timeline? And if so why wasn’t future trunks erased when he fled the timeline Zeno erased?
It's simple because Zeno's ability isn't above time. That is why we have 2 Zeno's.
But don't forget that zalama is also a dragon god....but whis said zeno is above all gods and he can erase anything no matter its complexity .....that means zeno is above zalama....🤔🤔🤔🤔😉
I think the real Omni king is someone else only
Zeno is the prime god of destruction and we already know that the angels that watch over them are more powerful than they are so the grand priest, being the strongest angel, is stronger than Zeno so he must have been the creator of the super dragon balls. Not Zeno.
SteakJuice zalama created the super dragon balls
@@aminamustafa933 Yeah, I got that one partially wrong. Not sure what I was thinking then.
Where is it stated that zeno is the "prime god of destruction"? Beerus and whis state that zeno is the most powerful being and theres no one above zeno(which means not even the grand priest is.)
@@bowpro6670 All of the gods of destruction have angels that are more powerful than they are. We've only seen Zeno destroy, not create, so that makes him the numero uno god of destruction, which means that his guardian angel, the grand priest, is more powerful than him. We've seen the grand priest create things out of thin air, but he hasn't destroyed anything and Beerus is as afraid of him as he is of Zeno. The angels have to be more powerful than those that they train so they can stop them from doing things that they shouldn't do. Right?
What about The dragon god zalama?
I can't remember if 17 specifically said universe or everything erased by Zeno if he just said everything pretty sure that would also mean that zamasu and black have been returned to existence which could be the next Arc after Morrow
It was wish back all the universes that have been erased.
That was an alternate timeline with it's own super Dragon balls which were destroyed so I'm thinking not.
So if Zenni is basicly like a destroyer on the multi-verse scale and Grand Priest is his Angel, then therefore Zenni needs a Supreme Kai connected to his life force. Just like checks and balances, keeping everything equal. But we still need to know why Angles are immune to erasing and how they become/born.
Zeno can erase super dragon balls, anyone who is kinda strong can destroy them. Ik that because when zamasu made his 2 wishes and then just destroyed them. And dragon balls weren't erased with universe 6 because zeno chose not to, its that simple. But still nice vid.
I actually don't believe Zamasu shattered them with his own power. It just says he collected them all and had them shattered. Which implies he used a final wish to do that. If you think about it. If Zamasu had the power to destroy the Super Dragon Balls then he would just have to find one and blow it up rending them useless. That isn't what he did though, he collected them all a final time and had them all shattered. It doesn't state he did it with his power and it doesn't make sense really. I think they left it open for interpretation and to imply he used a final wish to destroy them.
So answer this if Zeno erased the universe that was tied to Future trunks how come him and mai didn’t get erased along with Zamasu and that universe or time line ?
Two simple points to explain it. Trunks and Mai didn't exist in that time that was being erased because they used the time machine to go back to the present. Can't erase what doesn't exist because of Time. Also we know that Zeno doesn't have influence over time which I mentioned in the video. It is one of his weaknesses and why we have 2 Zeno's. Zeno isn't above time.
Imagine if there were' gods of creation 'as well and there is a supreme being commanding both the destructive and creative side. ( i guess the angels are kind of gods of creation )
Well the Kai's are technically "gods of creation" However they weren't around in the beginning so who created the Tree that gives birth to them? Who created the Angels and Universes? So I see what you are saying. I do like the idea there is 1 creation god and it being something we haven't seen like a Zalama type character. Although recently in my fan story I took a different approach that works too.
Um, the Supreme Kai’s are the Gods of Creation. That’s why they’re linked to the Destroyer gods of their universe. That way, if one of them is killed the other can’t go on creating or destroying un-checked. As for having a Supreme Being ruling over both creation and destruction, that is supposedly the Omni-King Zeno. However, as of yet, we haven’t seen him actually create something or do practically anything other than erase (ie. Destroy) things. This has led a lot of fans to speculate that he’s unable to, which would make him some sort of ultimate God of Destruction rather than a proper Omni-King (king of everything). So that raises the question: who/what is the Creation to Zeno’s Destruction?
A lot of people seem to think that it’s the Super Dragon Balls, but I’m not convinced. Mostly due to they’re nature of being able to grant “any wish.” This means that even though they can be used to restore the universes destroyed by Zeno (or even create brand new ones, possibly), it’s also within their power to destroy or erase those universes as well. Which one is picked is entirely up to whoever is making the wish. On the whole Creation v. Destruction cosmic scale, this would put them right in the middle of the “neutral” category. That means they wouldn’t make for a very good counter as the “Ultimate Creator” to Zeno’s “Ultimate Destroyer.” Who could be? Possibly Tori Bot (Akira Toriyama’s supposed Avatar in the DB universe). I don’t think it’s the Grand Minister since, like the Super Dragon Balls, the Angels appear to fall into that “neutral” category as well, being equally as capable of creating as they are at destroying.
Zeno can't erase :
Angels
Zeno guards
People above Mui
ur wrong lol
Zeno can erase all of them.
What if Trunks fused with trunks when he an pan when to a different time line?
1st
ssb beyond canceling out hakai energy ssb beyond can beat berus ?
tut tut tut
Now we know about morrow and merus
The one being that cannot be erased, even by Zeno....
The Caped Baldy
Zeno erases Saitama easily lmao. Saitama is weak af.
Golden13oi anime war lol
im not sure about the angels being immune to be erased
they could been gone back in the "world beyond" but they also could be erased,
the "goal" of the tournment was to see if the "low level" universes will make the right move with bringing back the losing universes,
maybe the super dragon balls couldnt bring back the angels easy and so they were spared so that in the worst case (when the winnig universe made the wrong wish) they angels could return to the "world beyond"
zeno destroyed the 6 universes because he was in a bad mood, he hasnt planed that like the tourment erasing
my theory is that this 6 universes also have returned because of one little sentence from the manga
the great priest says "universe 7 now is placed as number 3 from the bottom"
THIS make me think that the other universes returned also and so are the 6 angels,
so maybe the great priest planed that,
if they winners do the right wish he could make all universes return and the dragon would need almost all power to bring back the 6 angels
one reason is that the angels didnt disappear to the world beyond, they stayed and where able to watch,
one other reason is that destruciton is always easier than creating, destroying a castle is way easier than building one,
What if he angels arent afraid of being erased because they arent created with that emotion
I feel as though in the multiverse is a world within a dragon ball and there are 7 zenos which there above all it's the star and number of stars which represents their star number and universe seven is goku's and berus also represents their power of gods of destruction that's why in the tournament only the Angel's their spared as they are the corresponding stars zeno being taken over by a higher being like zamatzu in time line theory and zalama is the dragon which represents when all the multiverse come together and be granted a wish
Wait if one universe lost from the top, the god of destruction will also be erased right? But why I did see more god of destruction when Goku turned MUI..Ik this is out of the topic but I just want answers