@@BhanuPrakash-hk5iu Bhai that's because, literally everything would be cheap in India if U were to compare it to the US. Cheapest internet, by purchasing-power parity, is in Israel 👍. Moreover Ambani doesn't have much profit motive, he keeps the profit minimal, just enough to survive. Otherwise his main income is also from oil and petroleum industry 😂😂. US is different case
@@BhanuPrakash-hk5iu For what to run more call centers?? stop spamming. Also pray those prices dont go up. jio and airtel are like uber, once they have the monopoly those prices will skyrocket. Everything have a price brother.
Screw giant corporations! I wish we had that in Germany as well, here the internet is also pretty bad and expensive, thanks to low competition caused by few providers.
The government sells its powers to the highest bidder. Which leads to more and more regulations which make it impossible for new companies to provide competition. Capitalism is great, it works amazingly, with competition driving down costs, improving the quality of services, but government gets involved and ruins everything. Government is evil born by good intentions. In Romania we had the freedom to do just about anything after we executed our dictator and brought back capitalism, and it lead to us having the highest internet speeds in europe and the lowest prices. You can get 1Gbps speeds for about 7 euros a month. Even in the country side you get around 300Mbps. I'm saying this because people get angry at the low internet speeds, or bad and expensive healthcare in countries without socialized healthcare and so on and so forth but they go out there and demand more government interference, when that's truly what's caused the problem to begin with.
In Deutschland gibt es "freifunk" in vielen Städten, das ist so ähnlich. Aber ihr WLAN Mesh-Network hat eher den Fokus auf Freiheit und Anti-Zensur, statt auf günstigerem Zugang in abgehängten Gebieten.
You understand that they are still getting their internet from these giant corporations all the same, all they're doing is turning it into a signal and sending it somewhere it isn't available.
@@ApacheFPV Great, just send me the high-speed Romanian internet, I'd be happy with that. On a more serious note: Are American (and Spanish) ISP's such Bastards that they carve up their territory so that nobody has a choice and is forced to pay whatever they charge them? That's fucked up. As much as Telekom sucks at least they got enough decency to not exploit people living in the countryside by charging ridiculous prices because they have no alternative.
Man, nothing excites me most than people coming together to solve a community problem. Shout-out to Freethink for giving voice to these guys, you got a new subscriber!
AMAZING story! This gives me hope in mankind again. After living in NYC for 18yrs I applaud & appreciate Humans being human . In the end, kindness & love 💕 always wins ! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@@dislike__button Nah, there's people like me that would be happy to invest stupid amounts into hardware, and that's probably a large part of the costs. There's also a ton of other HAM people that would get involved just out of boredom so you'd also see everyone from young tech enthusiasts like myself (who are used to seeing speeds like 1 Mbps and happy to invest in things to push 1 Gbps and beyond), to retired HAM techs that just want an excuse to get out of the house.
Directly to the members of this non-profit organization. You not only inspire me, to inspire others to try and solve problems inside communities. Not only are you helping people, you are making a great message by basically saying "We are helping people, you should too". Thank you!
This isn't really a "mesh" network is it? It's a traditional hub and spoke network. I thought to be a mesh, then all nodes connect to closest nodes to create links and clever software is always running to figure out optimal routes as nodes go up and down or possibly move around. In a true mesh network, scaling is less of an issue but the number of hops and latency go up significantly.
Indeed, not a true "mesh" network but the idea of having a directional antenna pointing to a node with a secondary omnidirectional repeater for others to connect to is quite impressive. The main node is very crucial however, if it goes down, the entire system goes down. Very much against the principle of a "mesh" network.
yeah this approach does leave it vulnerable to hostile takeover. How else would you connect to the internet if not through a supernode? If one supernode goes down just point the dish at another supernode. More supernodes would be needed to ensure redundancy for more people.
Really love the work NYCMesh is doing. Every single person living in NYC should be signing up for service! Show the big cable companies we don't need them anymore!
@@AIRRAZOR44 believe it or not, we've seen speed tests of 100mbps or higher. The backbone comes from dedicated Fiber links at their supernodes. Something that cable can't match is the near symmetrical upload speeds. A recent speed test showed 100D/75U. More than sufficient for gaming and video streaming. And you feel better not giving money to a big corporation! The performance will continually improve as more nodes come online, adding redundancy and reducing oversubscription of the larger hubs.
20$ for around a 50Mbps connection that will have reliability issues in bad weather, as it's based on a wireless infrastructure, feels like a bad deal.
How do you know it will not perform in bad weather? I do not see it changing much. Starlink works in snow and rain, so wh should not this local net do?
Government allocates municipal monopolies to operate geographically at the exclusions of competitors. Monopolies do what monopolies do, and milk the demand because there is an artificially limited supply. Government complains about profit and monopoly. Makes perfect sense. /s
@@robuxyyyyyyyyyy4708 You're missing half your brain if you think a government mandated monopoly is Capitalism and not Socialistic. Capitalism is what happened in Romania after socialism evaporated and deregulation allowed for competition. Although impoverished, Romania was a top three country in bandwidth and internet choice.
@@_.Leo_. It actually is because of Capitalism, lol. In most western countries, the US specifically, bribe-givers (known as lobbyists in the US) incentivize monopolies in its own market (Amazon, Disney, Coca Cola, etc) by not breaking them up, or bailing them out when they start to see a significant loss of profits. They further incentivize companies that establish monopolies overseas through the use of economic sanctions, military interventions, and internal sabotage among other crimes (United Fruit Company in El Salvador and the Military Industrial Complex's stranglehold on the world for example).
@@dave_riots So your understanding of capitalism is Stamokap, as articulated by Lenin? Lol. Glad to see the American education system in action. Imagine thinking that government-sponsored and backed monopolies is Capitalism while simultaneously thinking that socialism, where government officials are the board of directors of monopolies since they own the means of production, is somehow more positive? 🤔
@@_.Leo_. It's ironic when we talk about the faults of one's education system, when the very next words are not even the core functions of what we claim to be describing. Do realize that Socialism is work and all other entities being collectively owned by the workers and the public - NOT the state. Corporatocracy and Socialism are two entirely different things. What you claim to be Socialism is just another part of Capitalism. The United States Postal Service (USPS) for example is a state monopolized entity, since it is one of the two primary public mail carriers in the United States, the other being the United Parcel Service (UPS). These two entities are responsible for the most packages delivered in the United States, more than every other privately owned mail carrier service in the United States, combined.
@@jaxd7206 sorry but my comments are deleted once I post any links or titles to sources. There's no way to put this info in a youtube comment it seems.
@@Gilotopia oof that's really awful 😞 Thank you for taking the time to cite the sources. I'll be sure to look up how it was done in Romania when possible.🌷
This is not a solution… it‘s a workaround. Regulation is needed to make the ISPs provide proper service. New York is so densely populated that it‘s unbelievable that it shouldn’t be possible to provide proper internet service at a decent price. 🤷♂️
This is an amazing, practical and frankly beautiful idea. The corporate monopolies are only interested in profit and engage in more 'financial engineering' than real engineering or fulfilling the needs of ordinary people. Support this as best you can folks. It's a great thing.
I wonder how this will compare with Starlink, which should be available everyone pretty soon. Hopefully this can just drive down prices even further. Rolling out cheap internet widely is one of the most important opportunities. Everyone needs reliable and fast internet access.
Starlink is $99/mo for average speed. It's a theoretical project that never should've left the ground with our non-existence extraplanetary infrastructure. Even at $99/mo they will struggle to become profitable, and probably abandon the project before they recoup the investments. Especially now that 5G is rolled out... and Starlink was only borderline viable when compared to the stupidly low range of 5G.
Starlink is pretty expensive and can only connect to a low amount of people. It won't bring down costs, only provide fast internet to people that can afford the high price and make earth-based astrometry more difficult. I hope that the engineers make sure that these satellites won't collide with other ones, because if they do they could cause a Kesler syndrome preventing us to go to space for a long time.
@@shashi_ it won't. Launching 42 000 satellites every 5 years would cost 4 billion$/year with each satellite being able to service around 1 000 people. So with 2/3 of the satellites over the ocean at any given time that gives you 14 Million potential customers. Assuming you can get that many customers you would need to charge around 300$/year just to break even. And that's only in the ideal case where everyone around the world can afford Starlink and the customers are spread out evenly across the globe. A more realistic amount of customers would lead to a 900$/year price just to break even, which is pretty close to the current price of around 1200$/year.
I get the impression that they will only be available in underserved areas (rural). If they don't SpaceX will be cannibalising on sales of satellite launches or getting themselves into regulatory issues in countries where telecom monopolies have great influence on regulators. They can basically only go where big players don't want to go. Knowing Elon's ability to get funding from states (nation-states) this might be their aim, subsidised connections and highly specialised connections (e.g. ships). On price, it isn't that bad, in vast parts of the world you are getting 2, 5 or 10mbps at prices around half of what Starlink is offering. So proportionally it isn't that bad.
@@jaimepuig2258 I live in Chennai, but the data cost is about the same all across India, countryside you might not get a fiber connection but decent mobile data is available everywhere, you can get 20-30mbps speed, 2.5GB/day data cap for 28days for 4.65$/month, with unlimited free calls and amazon prime membership for 28days.
we had several organizations like that here in Egypt but the gov fought them harshly by sizing their hardware and fining them so that the only ISP can thrive and continue its monopoly and market domination
She missed the opportunity to say it rhymes with rectum and starts with S like stinky. On a serious note, what is stopping these providers from suing this out of existence, like the community / city broadband movement a decade back. I don't remember the exact city but the lawsuits were so expensive that the city decided to settle, with the city being limited to only existing connections. If anything, the providers can pressure the super-node provider to not provide the final connection to the internet. What's stopping that from happening?
@@stevenvonhofsten331 I think all the mini nodes do eventually connect to the mother node to access the internet. I think from the piece they're saying it's a fiber connection. My point is that this specific provider can get pressure to disconnect them once the incumbents feel like their bottom line is affected. I wouldn't get past them to pay this fiber provider for their effort to cut them off.
@@TheMightyAgency And that's what is sad about this country, that monopolies are allowed to get away with this. Internet should be offered at a fair and affordable price, so I appreciate what NYC Mesh is doing, and hope this expands to more cities across the US.
It is called a WISP, not a mesh. I own and run a WISP business. It is called AP's not nodes. Then each client has a CPE to get the internet. They are installing Ubiquiti equipment. Same as what we use in our systems.
This is future. I see so many potential possibilities out of it. Imagine a parallel internet just build out of this mesh with all access to everything we dream to have on internet.
I have heard of a similar set up in Oregon, it's been a few years but I'm glad it's growing. I felt that we would move in this internet direction. This networking can also help add stability on a wider range
First mr beast is changing the world and now you guys!!! Its amazing! Seriously, people are taking back control and its beautiful. Its so simple yet the government can't even do the basic stuff. Forget government and big businesses that overlook people! Wish I could be there in NYC to help
I live in Rio de Janeiro, one of the largest cities in Brazil. The other day i went to the countryside to visit my grandparents and getting there I was astonished to discover that a city 30x smaller than mine offered far superior internet while being cheaper. After that, I went on searching the reasons for this nonsense and found that, besides some other variables, it basically came down to competition and monopolies. I remain dreaming of a day we will become more worried about being fair and putting our communities` interests above individual ambitions.
Let's get something clear here, in Houston in the suburbs (we're internet is more expensive to deploy) 1GB fiber is $40 a month, in NYC you keep wanting to tax corporations you don't understand they just roll all those taxes right to the consumer and that's the only reason internet is expensive.
Spectrum and Optimum are so incredibly terrible, from shady charges, terrible service, and rude techs, the only reason they continue to thrive is because of monopoly. Makes me sick.
America has never been a member of the non-aligned movement and is by definition 1st world since it is an ally of the USA. A bit hard to get around that. The three worlds model has to do with political alliances, not developmental status. Switzerland is a third world country and has always been.
This is creating a new system in order to have a better world. The people agreeing and working on things for their mutual benefits. This is what those who control the system do not want.
I live in a poor state were most my family just can't afford to be online my grandmother father uncle have never been online have no clue what it is I will have to move out to go to community college because I will have no access to net so idk if it will happen as Gramma needs me at home but refuses net because she doesn't understand that it's needed to attend any college it's frustrating but it's not her fault that she doesn't want to spend 50 to 100 a month for something she's afraid of idk who to be upset with she won't listen to me but no one cares if I make my life better as long as it doesn't effect their life in any way I digress
Maybe a $100/month is a lot harder for them to afford than you think. When I went to college, my family started being more transparent with me about finances and I realized that things were a lot harder than I imagined. You might need to get a part time job so that you might pay the Internet bill on your own.
In Australia, the Tax Payer paid for the Internet Infrastructure for Private Providers to charge you more than the rest of the world pay, and make Billions in Private Profit off what the Tax Payer paid for !
This is awesome. I built a free wireless network around rural Lake Wyola in Shutesbury, MA in the late 90's. There was only crappy dialup at the time. Got a T-1 at the closest, highest house I could and beamed it 1.5 miles to the far side of the lake, then distributed it to homes around the lake. We covered a few hundred houses in wifi - all with donations and volunteer effort. Currently my town, Northampton, MA is about to build a municipal fiber network allowing providers to compete for our business while we own the last mile. It's the ultimate solution - I proposed fiber-to-the-neighborhood along with wifi to bridge the last few hundred feet but was won over by having a separate fiber to each residence - once done it is future-proof.
in our country it's literrally illegal to create such network, unless your company(needs to be a company) some shared are owned by government... it's just sad...
Internet has become a necessity and is as important as water and food for survival these days. It's required for almost every job out there, in some form or another, and without it you may not be able to maintain a job.
Wow, we need more people like this. Greed, share holder profits, paying lower end workers a non-living age - all the things big greedy companies do while they claim their mere presence is good for the economy. These people are taking this "infrastructure" fight out of the hands of our dysfunctional government.
I know for a fact that if I were in school during the pandemic I would fail. In high school I had to stay after school to use the library's computer and on the weekend I would go to the public library so I could do my homework. When I was in college I would use the time in between classes to do homework. Access to internet is essential and given how expensive life in New York already is we should get free internet.
There's no such thing as free, you're paying for it one way or another (and anything you paid through the government costs at least twice as much). I think you meant "affordable", because if they weren't protected monopolies then it would be that and very cheap (with much better service)
I I knew this should happen but I'm not equipped to always convey my ideas and of course life gets in the way,I feel very impressed by the idea that you knew how to implement the dish idea get them built etc,Scratching my head on that one!But a child or adult without access is at a disadvantage. I still haven't sent an email so I should know! I moved to England when they only had one phone company!!!!Please continue your work it might be the difference between life and death in future lives ,Knowledge is power👍 R
Communications towers & most infrastructure is a public utility provided by the government over the decades and is supposed to be open, public, & free. But the average person doesn’t think about how things work.
Need to be able to utilize the free bandwidth from CB and other sources and make the internet run off those bandwidths so everyone can have internet. Not sure why no one has used those bandwidths. If they can transmit over wifi they can transmit over CB bandwidths.
This is amazing. Also the kinda community organization the big guys try to stop. Best of luck to them. I’m down to donate and I don’t even live there. !!! No more companies only communities !!!
What kind of society is in USA ? Nobody cares for 1.5 MILLION ppl because they are allegedly poor ??? Help them to grow, educate them, give them ability to grow. Where is state to help.
Great job guys , I live in South Africa and we are facing the same problem if not worse because we have one of the highest data prices in the world. I wish there could be such initiative here I would gladly volunteer
@@Kevin-jc1fx Oh, I believe there might be a misunderstanding on what “free and open source” means. You can look up the Free Software Foundation or the GNU Foundation / FOSS (free and open source software) in general if you're interested! The “free” in free and open source doesn't stand for free as in charge, but free as in freedom. The software itself can be open source, meaning anyone can download and use it to become part of the mesh themselves or start a mesh somewhere else, but they can still charge for the hardware / exist through donations as they are currently (I mean, some people are getting it for free of charge already). However, the software should be libre, meaning it is openly available for anyone to check and verify whether it has no security concerns or for other people to replicate. If they truly want to be different to Verizon they'd make their software publicly available to not fight a battle alone in New York, but start a war with all ISPs in the world.
@@ErikUden Ok, Understand you better. You are right. There are a few initiatives like this elsewhere in the world but it's only together that they can be strong.
@@ErikUden I am actually a software engineering graduate and I love OSS. However, I still feel lost in large code bases. As I improve and get more experience, I will happily contribute to some projects.
@@ashtong85 So no one is escaping "the big isp provider" lmao they're simply bouncing a signal around and carrying it as far as it can go before the bandwidth drops too much. So if someone on your same mesh was downloading everyone on that mesh would feel it, correct? I take it the "super node" is absolutely covered in dishes.
I've read a bit on their wiki, it's interesting, you should too. Technically speaking, there's no way to escape big ISP providers, as the internet is all interconnected. Though, from what I've read, NYC Mesh has a couple of peers that provide access to certain routes, as well as upstream transits are also donated. I suppose it is enough for a community effort to last long while not fully depending on the big providers. On the other hand, your concerns also apply to practically any broadband. Affordable FTTH (in my country at least) uses GPON, with some weird upstream combinations. One neighbor sending a lot of packets, and the entire neighborhood with the same ISP starts cursing.
Good intentions but it's going to get abused by the USERS because they will not value something that is essentially free. Look at FREE EDUCATION or FREE HEALTHCARE often run-down because we don't donate to sustain things. The Poor are told that the rich must donate not that they must donate. Anyway all the Best I hope the users appreciate this and don't start treating it like entitlement and maintain donations.
Amazing idea and I really hope it succeeds. Mesh networks can be an excellent solution to problems with infrastructure costs or access to retrofit it. Line of sight is free of cost and free of obstructions so a place like NYC is actually a fantastic environment for this because there is an actual landscape of free towers essentially. It's just like the game where you have a maze and you have to get a laser through to the finish which is impossible until you add the reflective mirrors to bounce it all around and the hubs/repeaters are the mirrors for the maze. But what if the maze is very complicated like the view of downtown NYC from above. You definitely can't get your laser through a physical building which is why you have to play the maze and go all sorts of directions on the streets of NYC to eventually find the finish and by that time you are exhausted and can barely speak so you won't be much good at communicating. This is where the landscape actually helps you because it adds the Z-axis or 3rd dimension with the possibility to jump walls as long as you can get a mirror or set of mirrors up in the sky that can reflect all over as long as it's visible to the laser at the start and the next mirror beyond that and the one beyond that and so on. It all gets even better when you see that wireless transmission is conical so the mirrors don't even exactly have to line up like a laser does, it would be like using a flashlight and each mirror instead of only being able to reflect the laser losing intensity at each mirror actually becomes a sensor. Let's replace the mirror with a nice boy named Gary and Gary has his own flashlight and when he senses/sees a light then he passes it on by shining his light towards little Timmy which is bright and renews the strength of the light at each stop until the finish. Yay NYC Mesh
What do you think of this approach to internet access?
I say 👍
I think it's great.
How do i contact um?
I think it is awesome.
You need Jio , we get 50GB internet for 3$,that's how cheap it is for Indian
An absolute unit of an idea. Nothing but the best wishes for their organization!
You need Jio , we get 50GB internet for 3$,that's how cheap it is for Indians
@@BhanuPrakash-hk5iu Bhai that's because, literally everything would be cheap in India if U were to compare it to the US. Cheapest internet, by purchasing-power parity, is in Israel 👍. Moreover Ambani doesn't have much profit motive, he keeps the profit minimal, just enough to survive. Otherwise his main income is also from oil and petroleum industry 😂😂. US is different case
@@BhanuPrakash-hk5iu For what to run more call centers?? stop spamming. Also pray those prices dont go up. jio and airtel are like uber, once they have the monopoly those prices will skyrocket. Everything have a price brother.
@@Phantom-ys5ur Bhai tu Indian hi h na?
If you want to know more about this group, they have a RUclips channel called. NYC Mesh
ruclips.net/channel/UC3FH_8A4SDtJbo5UWMhBteA
Next week: Big tech ISPs sue nonprofit meshes and lobby congress to push thru a bill that makes nonprofit meshes illegal.
facts bro
You need Jio , we get 50GB internet for 3$,that's how cheap it is for Indians
Wifi is also cheap here
I have 3.3TB at 60Mbps for less than $10 per month
And studies that the meshes are killing people, corporate money "buying freedom since 1776"
@@BhanuPrakash-hk5iu It's pretty trash that you have a data cap, I have unlimited although it ain't as cheap. $70 200mbs unlimited
Screw giant corporations! I wish we had that in Germany as well, here the internet is also pretty bad and expensive, thanks to low competition caused by few providers.
make it happen
The government sells its powers to the highest bidder. Which leads to more and more regulations which make it impossible for new companies to provide competition.
Capitalism is great, it works amazingly, with competition driving down costs, improving the quality of services, but government gets involved and ruins everything.
Government is evil born by good intentions.
In Romania we had the freedom to do just about anything after we executed our dictator and brought back capitalism, and it lead to us having the highest internet speeds in europe and the lowest prices. You can get 1Gbps speeds for about 7 euros a month. Even in the country side you get around 300Mbps.
I'm saying this because people get angry at the low internet speeds, or bad and expensive healthcare in countries without socialized healthcare and so on and so forth but they go out there and demand more government interference, when that's truly what's caused the problem to begin with.
In Deutschland gibt es "freifunk" in vielen Städten, das ist so ähnlich. Aber ihr WLAN Mesh-Network hat eher den Fokus auf Freiheit und Anti-Zensur, statt auf günstigerem Zugang in abgehängten Gebieten.
You understand that they are still getting their internet from these giant corporations all the same, all they're doing is turning it into a signal and sending it somewhere it isn't available.
@@ApacheFPV Great, just send me the high-speed Romanian internet, I'd be happy with that. On a more serious note: Are American (and Spanish) ISP's such Bastards that they carve up their territory so that nobody has a choice and is forced to pay whatever they charge them? That's fucked up. As much as Telekom sucks at least they got enough decency to not exploit people living in the countryside by charging ridiculous prices because they have no alternative.
These projects should be backed generously by govt/community and supported by all ! Truly amazing!
It's really cool to see the local government helping integrate it into their plans!
Man, nothing excites me most than people coming together to solve a community problem. Shout-out to Freethink for giving voice to these guys, you got a new subscriber!
We need to help move this forward.
Check out nycmesh.net for information on how to help! www.nycmesh.net/
AMAZING story! This gives me hope in mankind again.
After living in NYC for 18yrs I applaud & appreciate Humans being human .
In the end, kindness & love 💕 always wins !
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
These guys are making the world a better place, glad you are here!
For one issue
“If your card gets canceled, we won’t cut you off… We’ll never cut you off..”
🥰🥰🥰😭😭😭😭😭😭🥰🥰🥰
I’m not crying, somebody else is crying!
Until enough people start leeching and they cut everybody off.
@@dislike__button Nah, there's people like me that would be happy to invest stupid amounts into hardware, and that's probably a large part of the costs. There's also a ton of other HAM people that would get involved just out of boredom so you'd also see everyone from young tech enthusiasts like myself (who are used to seeing speeds like 1 Mbps and happy to invest in things to push 1 Gbps and beyond), to retired HAM techs that just want an excuse to get out of the house.
Directly to the members of this non-profit organization. You not only inspire me, to inspire others to try and solve problems inside communities.
Not only are you helping people, you are making a great message by basically saying "We are helping people, you should too".
Thank you!
This isn't really a "mesh" network is it? It's a traditional hub and spoke network. I thought to be a mesh, then all nodes connect to closest nodes to create links and clever software is always running to figure out optimal routes as nodes go up and down or possibly move around. In a true mesh network, scaling is less of an issue but the number of hops and latency go up significantly.
please go back to reddit
@@windowsxseven leave him alone, we need more people that know what they are talking about here and not at reddit.
@@vasopel cope // seethe // mald
Indeed, not a true "mesh" network but the idea of having a directional antenna pointing to a node with a secondary omnidirectional repeater for others to connect to is quite impressive. The main node is very crucial however, if it goes down, the entire system goes down. Very much against the principle of a "mesh" network.
yeah this approach does leave it vulnerable to hostile takeover. How else would you connect to the internet if not through a supernode? If one supernode goes down just point the dish at another supernode. More supernodes would be needed to ensure redundancy for more people.
Really love the work NYCMesh is doing. Every single person living in NYC should be signing up for service!
Show the big cable companies we don't need them anymore!
But you do. I think there is a different way but you will be starting from the ground up and it won't be free.
You need Jio , we get 50GB internet for 3$,that's how cheap it is for Indians
@@mr.knowitall5019 nope , there ideavod ,bsnl , airtel ,jio ,so four in total
Not enough bandwidth for 4K streaming, uploading large files, gaming, dowloading large files. If the tech evolves then maybe
@@AIRRAZOR44 believe it or not, we've seen speed tests of 100mbps or higher. The backbone comes from dedicated Fiber links at their supernodes.
Something that cable can't match is the near symmetrical upload speeds. A recent speed test showed 100D/75U.
More than sufficient for gaming and video streaming. And you feel better not giving money to a big corporation!
The performance will continually improve as more nodes come online, adding redundancy and reducing oversubscription of the larger hubs.
20$ for around a 50Mbps connection that will have reliability issues in bad weather, as it's based on a wireless infrastructure, feels like a bad deal.
The thing is you don't need to pay monthly.
How do you know it will not perform in bad weather? I do not see it changing much. Starlink works in snow and rain, so wh should not this local net do?
Cheaper and better speeds with all the crap
Government allocates municipal monopolies to operate geographically at the exclusions of competitors. Monopolies do what monopolies do, and milk the demand because there is an artificially limited supply. Government complains about profit and monopoly. Makes perfect sense. /s
@@robuxyyyyyyyyyy4708 You're missing half your brain if you think a government mandated monopoly is Capitalism and not Socialistic.
Capitalism is what happened in Romania after socialism evaporated and deregulation allowed for competition. Although impoverished, Romania was a top three country in bandwidth and internet choice.
@@_.Leo_. It actually is because of Capitalism, lol. In most western countries, the US specifically, bribe-givers (known as lobbyists in the US) incentivize monopolies in its own market (Amazon, Disney, Coca Cola, etc) by not breaking them up, or bailing them out when they start to see a significant loss of profits. They further incentivize companies that establish monopolies overseas through the use of economic sanctions, military interventions, and internal sabotage among other crimes (United Fruit Company in El Salvador and the Military Industrial Complex's stranglehold on the world for example).
@@dave_riots So your understanding of capitalism is Stamokap, as articulated by Lenin? Lol. Glad to see the American education system in action.
Imagine thinking that government-sponsored and backed monopolies is Capitalism while simultaneously thinking that socialism, where government officials are the board of directors of monopolies since they own the means of production, is somehow more positive? 🤔
@@_.Leo_. It's ironic when we talk about the faults of one's education system, when the very next words are not even the core functions of what we claim to be describing.
Do realize that Socialism is work and all other entities being collectively owned by the workers and the public - NOT the state. Corporatocracy and Socialism are two entirely different things.
What you claim to be Socialism is just another part of Capitalism. The United States Postal Service (USPS) for example is a state monopolized entity, since it is one of the two primary public mail carriers in the United States, the other being the United Parcel Service (UPS). These two entities are responsible for the most packages delivered in the United States, more than every other privately owned mail carrier service in the United States, combined.
@@dave_riots Okay bruh. State ownership is Capitalism? Lol.
That's brilliant! Makes me wanna look more into the Spain community driven internet service.
You can find them at guifi.net/!
Fon?
Community Service Is Very Essential For The People.
And We Really Need Dedicated People For The Service.
These Beautiful Minded People are genius 👍
They should study how Romania did it. We built organic neighborhood networks and united them to have the best internet in Europe
What is the name of the company behind it? Want to learn more about them
Could you please share with us links or more info on this? ☺️
@@jaxd7206 sorry but my comments are deleted once I post any links or titles to sources. There's no way to put this info in a youtube comment it seems.
@@Gilotopia oof that's really awful 😞
Thank you for taking the time to cite the sources. I'll be sure to look up how it was done in Romania when possible.🌷
There's some interesting info on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Romania
We need to make more of these types of decisions possible in all types of sectors. Too much reliance on large corps, even if they do good work.
This is not a solution… it‘s a workaround. Regulation is needed to make the ISPs provide proper service.
New York is so densely populated that it‘s unbelievable that it shouldn’t be possible to provide proper internet service at a decent price. 🤷♂️
This is an amazing, practical and frankly beautiful idea. The corporate monopolies are only interested in profit and engage in more 'financial engineering' than real engineering or fulfilling the needs of ordinary people. Support this as best you can folks. It's a great thing.
CONGRATULATIONS so atmire the generosity of others. Bless your souls.😘
Fantastic human beings. ✌🏽🤙🏽👍🏽🇦🇺👌🏽🤟🏽
I wonder how this will compare with Starlink, which should be available everyone pretty soon. Hopefully this can just drive down prices even further. Rolling out cheap internet widely is one of the most important opportunities. Everyone needs reliable and fast internet access.
Isn't starlink hot garbage/vaporware?
Starlink is $99/mo for average speed. It's a theoretical project that never should've left the ground with our non-existence extraplanetary infrastructure. Even at $99/mo they will struggle to become profitable, and probably abandon the project before they recoup the investments. Especially now that 5G is rolled out... and Starlink was only borderline viable when compared to the stupidly low range of 5G.
Starlink is pretty expensive and can only connect to a low amount of people. It won't bring down costs, only provide fast internet to people that can afford the high price and make earth-based astrometry more difficult. I hope that the engineers make sure that these satellites won't collide with other ones, because if they do they could cause a Kesler syndrome preventing us to go to space for a long time.
@@shashi_ it won't. Launching 42 000 satellites every 5 years would cost 4 billion$/year with each satellite being able to service around 1 000 people. So with 2/3 of the satellites over the ocean at any given time that gives you 14 Million potential customers. Assuming you can get that many customers you would need to charge around 300$/year just to break even. And that's only in the ideal case where everyone around the world can afford Starlink and the customers are spread out evenly across the globe. A more realistic amount of customers would lead to a 900$/year price just to break even, which is pretty close to the current price of around 1200$/year.
I get the impression that they will only be available in underserved areas (rural). If they don't SpaceX will be cannibalising on sales of satellite launches or getting themselves into regulatory issues in countries where telecom monopolies have great influence on regulators. They can basically only go where big players don't want to go.
Knowing Elon's ability to get funding from states (nation-states) this might be their aim, subsidised connections and highly specialised connections (e.g. ships). On price, it isn't that bad, in vast parts of the world you are getting 2, 5 or 10mbps at prices around half of what Starlink is offering. So proportionally it isn't that bad.
Videos like this make me feel glad I'm in India and not in the USA. I get 3TB bandwidth with 40mbps speed for 8$/month here.
Which Indian city do you live in? What's it like in the countryside?
What !!!
@@jaimepuig2258 I live in Chennai, but the data cost is about the same all across India, countryside you might not get a fiber connection but decent mobile data is available everywhere, you can get 20-30mbps speed, 2.5GB/day data cap for 28days for 4.65$/month, with unlimited free calls and amazon prime membership for 28days.
we had several organizations like that here in Egypt but the gov fought them harshly by sizing their hardware and fining them
so that the only ISP can thrive and continue its monopoly and market domination
Please don't sell out when the monopolies figure out what you are doing.
I feel inspired . Beautifull people still exist . Respect
This is what anarchism is about. We don’t need the government nor big businesses to provide. We can do it ourselves as a community.
This problem is product of capitalism when there is no government regulation.
In Rome you pay not in base of your zone! It's like discrimination 😳
This is example of " UNITY IS STRENGTH" , hats off to every volunteer giving their best to make other people's life better.
This is totally sick.
She missed the opportunity to say it rhymes with rectum and starts with S like stinky.
On a serious note, what is stopping these providers from suing this out of existence, like the community / city broadband movement a decade back. I don't remember the exact city but the lawsuits were so expensive that the city decided to settle, with the city being limited to only existing connections. If anything, the providers can pressure the super-node provider to not provide the final connection to the internet. What's stopping that from happening?
They aren't big enough yet. Also I'm certain that people using this free net would not use the Internet provided by providers who do sue.
@@stevenvonhofsten331 I think all the mini nodes do eventually connect to the mother node to access the internet. I think from the piece they're saying it's a fiber connection. My point is that this specific provider can get pressure to disconnect them once the incumbents feel like their bottom line is affected. I wouldn't get past them to pay this fiber provider for their effort to cut them off.
@@TheMightyAgency And that's what is sad about this country, that monopolies are allowed to get away with this. Internet should be offered at a fair and affordable price, so I appreciate what NYC Mesh is doing, and hope this expands to more cities across the US.
@@TheMightyAgency Just change the provider of the Supernode to a non-bitch provider? Although it may get a little costly.
@@TheMightyAgency they showed at least 6 super nodes in this video
I hope this catches on in many cities big and small all over the US. Power to the people! This is way cool. Thanks.
“Why don’t more people know about this?” Because it sucks.
Why? How?
It is called a WISP, not a mesh. I own and run a WISP business.
It is called AP's not nodes. Then each client has a CPE to get the internet. They are installing Ubiquiti equipment. Same as what we use in our systems.
This is future. I see so many potential possibilities out of it. Imagine a parallel internet just build out of this mesh with all access to everything we dream to have on internet.
I've seen this before but it was a Ghanaian gentleman who was doing it but it had all wires extending across the whole village same idea same effect
Danm I feel bad for people. Me sitting here thinking my 1 gig aint enough. 😂
That was done in Romania long long time ago and brought down the cost from 45+ USD to as little as 5
I got goosebumps! The spirit, the mobilization, the community - amazing!
I have heard of a similar set up in Oregon, it's been a few years but I'm glad it's growing. I felt that we would move in this internet direction. This networking can also help add stability on a wider range
NICE ! 👍👍👍👍
One question, how does NYC Mesh get its internet in order to distribute it?
This is fantastic! Sometimes it takes a community. Bravo!
That’s what Cuba does. Bravo!
Wow!👍We need more like them!♥️
First mr beast is changing the world and now you guys!!! Its amazing! Seriously, people are taking back control and its beautiful. Its so simple yet the government can't even do the basic stuff. Forget government and big businesses that overlook people!
Wish I could be there in NYC to help
I live in Rio de Janeiro, one of the largest cities in Brazil. The other day i went to the countryside to visit my grandparents and getting there I was astonished to discover that a city 30x smaller than mine offered far superior internet while being cheaper. After that, I went on searching the reasons for this nonsense and found that, besides some other variables, it basically came down to competition and monopolies. I remain dreaming of a day we will become more worried about being fair and putting our communities` interests above individual ambitions.
Let's get something clear here, in Houston in the suburbs (we're internet is more expensive to deploy) 1GB fiber is $40 a month, in NYC you keep wanting to tax corporations you don't understand they just roll all those taxes right to the consumer and that's the only reason internet is expensive.
That’s where state intervention could come in handy: to force internet providers to offer quality services.
Great job yall! This is such an important effort
Man, I am having GOOSEBUMPS ALL Over my body .
God bless you brothers you deserve the best.
Love and support from India.
Awesome!!!! Los Angeles needs this!!!!
Amazing initiative!! Kudos to all the members and volunteers 👍
Spectrum and Optimum are so incredibly terrible, from shady charges, terrible service, and rude techs, the only reason they continue to thrive is because of monopoly. Makes me sick.
“Merica”, my favourite third world country
America has never been a member of the non-aligned movement and is by definition 1st world since it is an ally of the USA. A bit hard to get around that. The three worlds model has to do with political alliances, not developmental status. Switzerland is a third world country and has always been.
This is creating a new system in order to have a better world. The people agreeing and working on things for their mutual benefits. This is what those who control the system do not want.
I live in a poor state were most my family just can't afford to be online my grandmother father uncle have never been online have no clue what it is I will have to move out to go to community college because I will have no access to net so idk if it will happen as Gramma needs me at home but refuses net because she doesn't understand that it's needed to attend any college it's frustrating but it's not her fault that she doesn't want to spend 50 to 100 a month for something she's afraid of idk who to be upset with she won't listen to me but no one cares if I make my life better as long as it doesn't effect their life in any way I digress
Explain it more to them so they will buy it but honestly it might be a better thing for your personal development if you move out to community college
Are you able to get a data plan or satellite internet plan to connect to internet? Or would that be more expensive?
Maybe a $100/month is a lot harder for them to afford than you think. When I went to college, my family started being more transparent with me about finances and I realized that things were a lot harder than I imagined.
You might need to get a part time job so that you might pay the Internet bill on your own.
Things will get better
This is amazing. These people are heroes. Very inspiring video
How do they technically work passed a LAN like how do you actually connect to hosted content on servers
am seaerching for an answer to this by reading through the comments
I assume that the "Super nodes that are fiber connected" are Just places with a high bandwidth business connection.
In Australia, the Tax Payer paid for the Internet Infrastructure for Private Providers to charge you more than the rest of the world pay, and make Billions in Private Profit off what the Tax Payer paid for !
This is awesome. I built a free wireless network around rural Lake Wyola in Shutesbury, MA in the late 90's. There was only crappy dialup at the time. Got a T-1 at the closest, highest house I could and beamed it 1.5 miles to the far side of the lake, then distributed it to homes around the lake. We covered a few hundred houses in wifi - all with donations and volunteer effort. Currently my town, Northampton, MA is about to build a municipal fiber network allowing providers to compete for our business while we own the last mile. It's the ultimate solution - I proposed fiber-to-the-neighborhood along with wifi to bridge the last few hundred feet but was won over by having a separate fiber to each residence - once done it is future-proof.
in our country it's literrally illegal to create such network, unless your company(needs to be a company) some shared are owned by government... it's just sad...
Those 18 Dislikes are from the company.
Best wishes to this gang of kind members banging the big goons
Internet has become a necessity and is as important as water and food for survival these days. It's required for almost every job out there, in some form or another, and without it you may not be able to maintain a job.
Unfortunately that sounds like a nightmare for malware
This is wimax done smart.
Wow, we need more people like this. Greed, share holder profits, paying lower end workers a non-living age - all the things big greedy companies do while they claim their mere presence is good for the economy. These people are taking this "infrastructure" fight out of the hands of our dysfunctional government.
Internet is NOT a human right. You have the right to defend yourself, eat, and live. Theres no other RIGHTS!
Excellent idea fanning solution outside of the problem .
When one person commits an online crime, everyone on the network may be charged
I know for a fact that if I were in school during the pandemic I would fail. In high school I had to stay after school to use the library's computer and on the weekend I would go to the public library so I could do my homework. When I was in college I would use the time in between classes to do homework. Access to internet is essential and given how expensive life in New York already is we should get free internet.
There's no such thing as free, you're paying for it one way or another (and anything you paid through the government costs at least twice as much). I think you meant "affordable", because if they weren't protected monopolies then it would be that and very cheap (with much better service)
I I knew this should happen but I'm not equipped to always convey my ideas and of course life gets in the way,I feel very impressed by the idea that you knew how to implement the dish idea get them built etc,Scratching my head on that one!But a child or adult without access is at a disadvantage. I still haven't sent an email so I should know! I moved to England when they only had one phone company!!!!Please continue your work it might be the difference between life and death in future lives ,Knowledge is power👍
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Communications towers & most infrastructure is a public utility provided by the government over the decades and is supposed to be open, public, & free. But the average person doesn’t think about how things work.
this might impose certain levels of concerns about security, but let establish a good foundation first
Need to be able to utilize the free bandwidth from CB and other sources and make the internet run off those bandwidths so everyone can have internet. Not sure why no one has used those bandwidths. If they can transmit over wifi they can transmit over CB bandwidths.
#freethink . I want to help and support this NYC Mesh Finacial
This should be run across America for rural communities to have internet access.
This is amazing. Also the kinda community organization the big guys try to stop. Best of luck to them. I’m down to donate and I don’t even live there. !!! No more companies only communities !!!
Awesome!
Now this is the kind of future I'm excited about. Really cool!
I guarantee the companies are gonna sue or change the laws to outlaw this practice....
YE$!!!
What kind of society is in USA ?
Nobody cares for 1.5 MILLION ppl because they are allegedly poor ???
Help them to grow, educate them, give them ability to grow.
Where is state to help.
Great job guys , I live in South Africa and we are facing the same problem if not worse because we have one of the highest data prices in the world. I wish there could be such initiative here I would gladly volunteer
resourceful
Let's go NYC!!
This was hit like 20 years ago, some countries seems to be oblivious.
Yesss, I've been hoping to do same thing here in my home country (GH) .
Similar to "Freifunk" in Germany
It's amazing. They should free and open source it
How would they buy the antennas and all the necessary materials if it was all free?
@@Kevin-jc1fx Oh, I believe there might be a misunderstanding on what “free and open source” means. You can look up the Free Software Foundation or the GNU Foundation / FOSS (free and open source software) in general if you're interested!
The “free” in free and open source doesn't stand for free as in charge, but free as in freedom. The software itself can be open source, meaning anyone can download and use it to become part of the mesh themselves or start a mesh somewhere else, but they can still charge for the hardware / exist through donations as they are currently (I mean, some people are getting it for free of charge already). However, the software should be libre, meaning it is openly available for anyone to check and verify whether it has no security concerns or for other people to replicate. If they truly want to be different to Verizon they'd make their software publicly available to not fight a battle alone in New York, but start a war with all ISPs in the world.
@@ErikUden Ok, Understand you better. You are right. There are a few initiatives like this elsewhere in the world but it's only together that they can be strong.
@@Kevin-jc1fx thank you. Join the cause. FOSS unites.
@@ErikUden I am actually a software engineering graduate and I love OSS. However, I still feel lost in large code bases. As I improve and get more experience, I will happily contribute to some projects.
I feel like there are major drawbacks of a mesh system that no one is talking about. Also who provides service to the supernodes?
Please enlighten us
They connect to one of the larger isp's networks
@@ashtong85 So no one is escaping "the big isp provider" lmao they're simply bouncing a signal around and carrying it as far as it can go before the bandwidth drops too much. So if someone on your same mesh was downloading everyone on that mesh would feel it, correct? I take it the "super node" is absolutely covered in dishes.
I've read a bit on their wiki, it's interesting, you should too. Technically speaking, there's no way to escape big ISP providers, as the internet is all interconnected. Though, from what I've read, NYC Mesh has a couple of peers that provide access to certain routes, as well as upstream transits are also donated. I suppose it is enough for a community effort to last long while not fully depending on the big providers.
On the other hand, your concerns also apply to practically any broadband. Affordable FTTH (in my country at least) uses GPON, with some weird upstream combinations. One neighbor sending a lot of packets, and the entire neighborhood with the same ISP starts cursing.
Freedom to the people
Can't wait for this to be sued into oblivion once it becomes actual competition.
YES!
Good intentions but it's going to get abused by the USERS because they will not value something that is essentially free. Look at FREE EDUCATION or FREE HEALTHCARE often run-down because we don't donate to sustain things. The Poor are told that the rich must donate not that they must donate. Anyway all the Best I hope the users appreciate this and don't start treating it like entitlement and maintain donations.
great way too beat big companies. keep up the good work.
I grew up in the 90’s ( when monopolies were bad ) & I believe internet should be almost free to everyone.
Amazing idea and I really hope it succeeds. Mesh networks can be an excellent solution to problems with infrastructure costs or access to retrofit it. Line of sight is free of cost and free of obstructions so a place like NYC is actually a fantastic environment for this because there is an actual landscape of free towers essentially. It's just like the game where you have a maze and you have to get a laser through to the finish which is impossible until you add the reflective mirrors to bounce it all around and the hubs/repeaters are the mirrors for the maze. But what if the maze is very complicated like the view of downtown NYC from above. You definitely can't get your laser through a physical building which is why you have to play the maze and go all sorts of directions on the streets of NYC to eventually find the finish and by that time you are exhausted and can barely speak so you won't be much good at communicating. This is where the landscape actually helps you because it adds the Z-axis or 3rd dimension with the possibility to jump walls as long as you can get a mirror or set of mirrors up in the sky that can reflect all over as long as it's visible to the laser at the start and the next mirror beyond that and the one beyond that and so on. It all gets even better when you see that wireless transmission is conical so the mirrors don't even exactly have to line up like a laser does, it would be like using a flashlight and each mirror instead of only being able to reflect the laser losing intensity at each mirror actually becomes a sensor. Let's replace the mirror with a nice boy named Gary and Gary has his own flashlight and when he senses/sees a light then he passes it on by shining his light towards little Timmy which is bright and renews the strength of the light at each stop until the finish. Yay NYC Mesh