I used to use a hi-fi VCR to mix down from my 4-track cassette, and sometimes use it to bounce the 4 tracks back into one track of the 4-track cassette. Some people used to use hi-fi VCRs as audio components of their stereos.
@@pokepress Hi! Not yet. But it's a great idea! I'll try this in the next video, where I'll try recording individual instruments, like guitar or piano. Thanks 🙏
A long time ago, I Had a Panasonic video recorder with a High-Quality audio recording function. It had a 20Hz to 20kHz bandwidth and very low noise level. The audio was recorded with a video track.
@@OldBarnWorkshop Thanks ☺️ But I don't have such a task. I just watched another creator's video and decided to try if recording to VHS is even possible with what I have. I have quite a few other devices, including vintage ones, that I can record to in good quality. Take a look at the very first video on the channel with a Roland VS880 for example
Gee, isn't the answer self-evident??? I mean, movies DO have SOUND in them!🤪 At least the ones made after about 1927 or so, anyway...😏 So what good would a VCR be if it didn't reproduce sound along with video???🤔 Doncha think that if the machines couldn't record sound, the VCR would have been like, a TOTAL flop???💩🧐 I guess the "mystery" to you would be whether the audio could only be recorded if there wasn't any video signal for it to "piggyback" onto. Well, when an A/V component has RCA jacks labelled "LINE IN" & "LINE OUT", what the heck do you (or anyone else...🤤) think a "LINE" signal is? A single line of video???🤪🤦 But yeah, VCR's weren't intended to be used as strictly audio recorders. Especially a Korean EL-CHEAPO machine like a monophonic Slamdung, which has a non-adjustable, fixed recording level & absolutely no metering system of any kind to tell you WTF is going on, if anything, & recording to a single linear track at the mind-bendingly rapid speed of 15/16ths of an inch per second at the 2hr. "SP" speed (half the speed of Compact Cassette), not to mention the warp-drive 15/32 ips of the 6hr. "EP" speed (Or ONE QUARTER THE SPEED OF CASSETTE, Your Euro-peeing PAL & SECAM speeds might vary your mileage...), & absolutely NO noise reduction of any kind! So if LO-FI is your goal, a poorly-tracking bottom-of-the-barrel poverty-spec off-brand VCR running at EP speed is a hot tickee!🙉🤢🙉🤮🙉👌 It's just HIGHLY ironic, as can be seen by the comments of many others here, that the right VCR's of both the Beta (Sony🐂👹💩) & VHS (JVC & pretty much everybody else🚢🏟️🌐) formats are capable of THE BEST fidelity of ANY tape format, Analog OR Digital!🧐🤔 So that means Japanese Name-Brand machinery, 4-Head or better, with a "HI-FI" logo proudly emblazoned on the cassette door (along with 10 other slogans of unintelligible goobledy-gook😵🤪😵💫) to tell you that your VCR uses the most advanced audio technology ever committed to magnetic 🧲 recording 📼 tape! Which is to say, instead of the usual Amplitude Modulation (AM) that every other Analog tape format uses, VCR "Hi-Fi" systems use something called Frequency Modulation (FM). And just like the radio which has AM & FM bands; one sounds like 💩, all noisy & statický with the fidelity of two empty soup tins connected by a tight 🧵 string, & the other is dead quiet & sounds GREAT!😲 By using FM instead of AM, & using a whiff of dbx-style full-range compression-expansion for a bit of noise reduction, a Hi-Fi VCR can deliver a signal to noise ratio of 80-90db😳...at the 6hr EP speed!!!🤯 Or to put it in everyday terms, as quiet as a CD Player! Even 30ips 1" Studio Open-reel tape machines can't match this!!!🧐 To further the analogy with CD & digital, Hi-Fi VCR's ALSO have NO Wow & Flutter whatsoever due to the FM processing. Nothing!🕳️ None!🕳️ Zero!🕳️ Nada!!!👽 And again because of the FM recording method, the frequency response of even the lowliest ≈$300USD VCR is DEAD FLAT from 20-20,000Hz, maybe +0,-1db @ the EP speed...with ANY grade of tape, & right up to & beyond 0db recording levels!😳🤯 Compare THAT with the frequency response of a $2000 cassette deck, which MIGHT make it to 20kHz with Metal "Type IV" tape, & even then, ONLY at -20db recording level, AND with a MUCH sloppier +/-3db level variation across the frequency range!🤦🤨 The best Hi-Fi VCR's have a UI much like any other pure audio format tape deck, with stereo bar-graph or even VU meters (on the Pro decks...🤑), along with stereo input recording level 🎛️ potentiometers. IOW, they LOOK like dedicated Audio recorders because they ARE suitable dedicated Audio recorders as well!🧐 But the entry-level (sub $500) Hi-Fi machines were also minimalist & enigmatic black boxes like the Slamdung 🧩 of 💩 featured in the video, requiring you to figure out some way to externally preset the recording level in order not to overload the electronics. Note that I didn't say, "overload the tape". Because with the FM technology, YOU CAN'T!😳🤯🤗 What DOES happen is that you run into level conpression, & seriously over-recorded tapes will sound kinda "flat" & "dead" & dynamically "squashed". But you DON'T hear distortion like you do with ANY other format... ESPECIALLY 👹🤮Digital🤮👹! So, if you ever decide to turn the theme of this video on its head, for another one in the future about HI-FI instead of LO-FI, just remember that the exact same tape format can do both!🤨
Thank you for such a detailed and emotional comment! I truly enjoyed reading it, and it’s heartwarming that you took so much of your time to explain these things to us! From my side, I’ll say that I’m not very well-versed in the technical nuances, and the goal of this video was simply an attempt to record something on tape and hear what would come of it. There’s a legend that the sound from tape is supposed to give us that nostalgic and warm tone we remember from childhood, which many music styles labeled as "Lo-Fi" try to imitate.
liner audio at the vhs not hi-fi is very bad i have been there one format i just got into is betacam sp like the sony 75 picked a pallets of them to fix up in the uk vhs decks how are costing big money and the prices of beta or dvcam is now getting silly all the new bee's are after any for mats now
I used to use a hi-fi VCR to mix down from my 4-track cassette, and sometimes use it to bounce the 4 tracks back into one track of the 4-track cassette. Some people used to use hi-fi VCRs as audio components of their stereos.
@@gwugluud Oo! It's interesting 🤔
The VHS video should be a VHS HI-FI Stereo recorder.
Maybe some VHS should be like that, but mine is different😁
Since you're using a mono VCR, the audio fidelity will vary by the VCR's tape speed. Did you experiment with that?
@@pokepress Hi! Not yet. But it's a great idea! I'll try this in the next video, where I'll try recording individual instruments, like guitar or piano. Thanks 🙏
A long time ago, I Had a Panasonic video recorder with a High-Quality audio recording function. It had a 20Hz to 20kHz bandwidth and very low noise level. The audio was recorded with a video track.
Sounds like a dream🥰
My Step-dad used a Sanyo Betamax w/ hi-fi to record music. I remember it sounded very good.
Cool 😎 I have tape recorder by Sanyo. but it has been working poorly lately😢
Have a look at the Sony PCM501ES. It will give you sound quality and reproduction equal to CD.
@@OldBarnWorkshop Thanks ☺️ But I don't have such a task. I just watched another creator's video and decided to try if recording to VHS is even possible with what I have. I have quite a few other devices, including vintage ones, that I can record to in good quality. Take a look at the very first video on the channel with a Roland VS880 for example
In other words, it'll sound like crap compared to a Hi-Fi VCR. 🤗
Gee, isn't the answer self-evident??? I mean, movies DO have SOUND in them!🤪 At least the ones made after about 1927 or so, anyway...😏
So what good would a VCR be if it didn't reproduce sound along with video???🤔
Doncha think that if the machines couldn't record sound, the VCR would have been like, a TOTAL flop???💩🧐
I guess the "mystery" to you would be whether the audio could only be recorded if there wasn't any video signal for it to "piggyback" onto. Well, when an A/V component has RCA jacks labelled "LINE IN" & "LINE OUT", what the heck do you (or anyone else...🤤) think a "LINE" signal is? A single line of video???🤪🤦
But yeah, VCR's weren't intended to be used as strictly audio recorders. Especially a Korean EL-CHEAPO machine like a monophonic Slamdung, which has a non-adjustable, fixed recording level & absolutely no metering system of any kind to tell you WTF is going on, if anything, & recording to a single linear track at the mind-bendingly rapid speed of 15/16ths of an inch per second at the 2hr. "SP" speed (half the speed of Compact Cassette), not to mention the warp-drive 15/32 ips of the 6hr. "EP" speed (Or ONE QUARTER THE SPEED OF CASSETTE, Your Euro-peeing PAL & SECAM speeds might vary your mileage...), & absolutely NO noise reduction of any kind!
So if LO-FI is your goal, a poorly-tracking bottom-of-the-barrel poverty-spec off-brand VCR running at EP speed is a hot tickee!🙉🤢🙉🤮🙉👌
It's just HIGHLY ironic, as can be seen by the comments of many others here, that the right VCR's of both the Beta (Sony🐂👹💩) & VHS (JVC & pretty much everybody else🚢🏟️🌐) formats are capable of THE BEST fidelity of ANY tape format, Analog OR Digital!🧐🤔
So that means Japanese Name-Brand machinery, 4-Head or better, with a "HI-FI" logo proudly emblazoned on the cassette door (along with 10 other slogans of unintelligible goobledy-gook😵🤪😵💫) to tell you that your VCR uses the most advanced audio technology ever committed to magnetic 🧲 recording 📼 tape!
Which is to say, instead of the usual Amplitude Modulation (AM) that every other Analog tape format uses, VCR "Hi-Fi" systems use something called Frequency Modulation (FM). And just like the radio which has AM & FM bands; one sounds like 💩, all noisy & statický with the fidelity of two empty soup tins connected by a tight 🧵 string, & the other is dead quiet & sounds GREAT!😲
By using FM instead of AM, & using a whiff of dbx-style full-range compression-expansion for a bit of noise reduction, a Hi-Fi VCR can deliver a signal to noise ratio of 80-90db😳...at the 6hr EP speed!!!🤯 Or to put it in everyday terms, as quiet as a CD Player! Even 30ips 1" Studio Open-reel tape machines can't match this!!!🧐 To further the analogy with CD & digital, Hi-Fi VCR's ALSO have NO Wow & Flutter whatsoever due to the FM processing.
Nothing!🕳️ None!🕳️ Zero!🕳️ Nada!!!👽
And again because of the FM recording method, the frequency response of even the lowliest ≈$300USD VCR is DEAD FLAT from 20-20,000Hz, maybe +0,-1db @ the EP speed...with ANY grade of tape, & right up to & beyond 0db recording levels!😳🤯
Compare THAT with the frequency response of a $2000 cassette deck, which MIGHT make it to 20kHz with Metal "Type IV" tape, & even then, ONLY at -20db recording level, AND with a MUCH sloppier +/-3db level variation across the frequency range!🤦🤨
The best Hi-Fi VCR's have a UI much like any other pure audio format tape deck, with stereo bar-graph or even VU meters (on the Pro decks...🤑), along with stereo input recording level 🎛️ potentiometers.
IOW, they LOOK like dedicated Audio recorders because they ARE suitable dedicated Audio recorders as well!🧐
But the entry-level (sub $500) Hi-Fi machines were also minimalist & enigmatic black boxes like the Slamdung 🧩 of 💩 featured in the video, requiring you to figure out some way to externally preset the recording level in order not to overload the electronics. Note that I didn't say, "overload the tape". Because with the FM technology, YOU CAN'T!😳🤯🤗 What DOES happen is that you run into level conpression, & seriously over-recorded tapes will sound kinda "flat" & "dead" & dynamically "squashed".
But you DON'T hear distortion like you do with ANY other format... ESPECIALLY 👹🤮Digital🤮👹!
So, if you ever decide to turn the theme of this video on its head, for another one in the future about HI-FI instead of LO-FI, just remember that the exact same tape format can do both!🤨
Thank you for such a detailed and emotional comment! I truly enjoyed reading it, and it’s heartwarming that you took so much of your time to explain these things to us! From my side, I’ll say that I’m not very well-versed in the technical nuances, and the goal of this video was simply an attempt to record something on tape and hear what would come of it.
There’s a legend that the sound from tape is supposed to give us that nostalgic and warm tone we remember from childhood, which many music styles labeled as "Lo-Fi" try to imitate.
liner audio at the vhs not hi-fi is very bad i have been there one format i just got into is betacam sp like the sony 75 picked a pallets of them to fix up in the uk
vhs decks how are costing big money and the prices of beta or dvcam is now getting silly all the new bee's are after any for mats now
@@bob-s-bit-s But what do you want to do with it? Record music or watch video for fun?
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