An impossible move
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- Опубликовано: 9 дек 2023
- Shihan Tony Sargeant 7th Dan and Founder of Takemusu Iwama Aikido Europe.
Tony started Aikido in 1973 and continues to teach seminars worldwide.
Tony also teaches Yoga and meditation to promote health and well-being.
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A very good video indeed! Thank you Tony Shihan for sharing your knowledge on these fine points of what works and what does not work and why. So important to grasp this point in my view...
Yes, so many do not realise this technique will not work unless one flows At the correct time. Too late and another must be performed.
@@tonysargeant4890 I agree! Thanks for posting videos on the whole!
My whole view is don't do what you want to do, do what they let you do. Never go into it thinking I'm going to do this or that. Go into it thinking whatever they ask me to do to them is what I will do. Go into it as a blank piece of paper and let them write the story, they're just writing what they think is their story but in truth it is always going to end in my benefit.
The blank sheet of paper reminds me of Saito sensei. One day he stopped a student cutting with Ken like a crazy person. He shouted, 'Stop' if I let U carry on how many times will it take for me to get you to correct your weak points. The best studnets R the ones who have never yet trained. Thanks for the time taking to write.
@tonysargeant4890 That's a good story. It's funny but imagine how annoying and frustrating it must have been for Saito Sensei to see someone reinforcing the opposite of what he's trying to teach.
That reminds me of something that happened with my bagua teacher basically telling me off for training hard down at the park and then coming to his seminar in the evening having already trained myself out for the day. We need to get the repetition in but sometimes the practice can be counter-productive and it's not always easy to know the difference without experience.
I still and always have thought that only time teaches us. As well as daily practice and years of it without gaps.
@@tonysargeant4890 agree, and it would be wonderful if I could have my 25 year old, or even my 35 year old body back with the 57 year old mind I have now.
Are u sure U R not a Woman. Oh and I agree.
Hi Tony, my name is Kenny Lynch and I've got a different, more generic solution to this problem. I hope one day to share it with you at a seminar. At the very least, it's nice to see someone online beginning to address the problem. In my view also, speeding up or using the cross-step can be helpful in overcoming strong attacks from behind but the need to change speeds abruptly introduces a further problem, namely the breaking up of smooth flowing movement...and the reliance on speed can make the speedier person win. The cross step also introduces a moment of vulnerability at the very moment of the crossing. In short, one is forced to adopt a less balanced position momentarily, which is, of course, what a smart attacker, whether judoka, wrestler, or jujitsu-ka would attempt to exploit or even attempt to set up..!
It is a long journey but the joy of traveling it is the best part. Thanks for your input and who knows when we shall all meet. I always appreciate when others take time to give their thoughts.
I had a striking insight concerning that problem through understanding "dynamic stability" layed out in the book "Higher Judo" by M. Feldenkrais wich was republished in recent years by Moti Nativ. It can be woth a read to go byond some conceptual limitations. Best wishes, Henry
Like Kenny explains there are some not so safe points to this technique being a leg cross or the lifting of arms at the wrong time etc. But Like all us us we have different moods and when I am happy and wish to flow this is a nice movement. Will it really be any good inn the street or work on a determined Uke grabbing hard , NO. I don't think it will anyway.
@@florianm.h.muller6181 I realize this is Tony's thread but 'm pretty sure I read that book. I wonder which 'conceptual limitation' you mean..? Tony's one of the few courageous enough to take an analytical approach. Did you see something in Feldenkrais which might help our discussion? By contrast, I've found Feldenkrais to be limited in some ways, including this dissection of judo principles.
I love the fact that is gets others talking. Then I know I have done my bit. Thanks to you both.
Tool box got a little heavier today, thanks much
Glad to help. I use the same words and think of finding new part as tools.
Thank you! I like the toolbox comparison! I just got my first little set of tools and trying to learn to saw straight (6 months aikido, learning for 6th Kyu)! But, there always is a tool that can do multiple jobs, like a monkey wrench and then there are power tools, which do the job, only faster. Are there such power techniques and/or versatile "wazas" in Aikido?
Keep going as the ride gets better, but sometimes it does not feel that way.
You turn one foot out, centre, drop your elbow and height and rise up. Elementary technique.
Thats the great thing about the art and how we each see it. Thanks for your thoughts.
Sensei my cup is always half empty thank you for this lesson Oss
You are very welcome also kind to say this.
Sensei I have been practicing the martial arts 46 years primary art is Tang Soo do but I just listening to you and the way you broke down that technique was excellent am I happy I Came Upon Your video I currently hold 5th degree and thank you for responding so kind
Wow U R what is called 'Ab old timer' so well done as there are not many of us who reach this in years. They seem to have not found what we do and make it our blood that we need to stay alive, or thats how i see it.
@@tonysargeant4890 if I told you everything I had to overcome in my life and stay at the martial arts I don't know if you believe me broke my back broke my arm almost had a toe cut off got stabbed and so many other things I'm going to be 66 soon so yeah I am old
As my Jane would say "Man up" 66 is hardly past puberty. Hahahahah. I love it.
2:06 would like to see what was done with the left arm (block by trainer)... coz if it's the same as the right arm, it's a joke! It's a joke anyway because the helper isn't holding on!
Anyway, it's much much harder to twist this way, than the conventional way where you lower a bit and simply rotate the wrist (anti-clockwise).
As I say Aikido as a "Fighting art" is a joke but if U want to fight go and do MMA Or BJJ. then when old (If U get old) tell me how your body has worked out with that.
*in the first 40 seconds i can see this is one of those McDojo, bullshido, fake Sensei Swindle guys!*
NO ONE _real_ would ever say you can't do this 0:37! It's the first thing you learn in basic self defense in most types of martial arts!
[ A simple, rotation of the wrist lets a weaker, smaller person EASILY break the hold on an arm. It's simple physics. ]
As to what follows, it's the same as so many bullshido guys doing demos. (A willing, helping partner and so on....)
*_P.s._*_ I'm not hating on Aikido. I have used Aikido in many real fights, even as a kid - avoiding bullies (mainly the principle of turning and avoiding and using opponents momentum against them) and in work doing security. I only object to the common fakery and how it's presented wrong or without supplementation with other martial arts._
P.p.s. Watch this comment get deleted! 🤪
In the 'Real fights' My Aikido "Never let me down" so at 74 years of age it works even better as I talk my way out of fights. How about U? Was my Aikido training worth while?
i'm, painfully, watching on and around 3:40 i can't bite my tongue anymore about the WHOLE PREMISE to begin with! It's such nonsense!
NO ONE grabs ppl like that! {I'm 50 btw and worked in crowd control and also the kind of security where we were _constantly_ having to arrest ppl who were _very_ unwilling and fighting to get away, I've been in street fights, I have done training since the age of about 13, plenty of practice, lots of grappling etc}
It's just not natural or realistic! Why would you have your arm up like that? Ppl don't generally grab your arm like this...
The closest thing is pushing and shoving but that's a whole other thing. You're defending against a low arm grab that for some bizarre reason, starts high??
What i'm saying is, ppl don't grab your arm up high, then turn and lower it into that position. It's bizarre and insane.. I don't think i have ever seen that. I've seen hundreds of grabbing upheld arms but from the other side, i.e. thumb up...but yeh, like i said, that's a _whole other thing._
You have taken the time to write about this three times in this film, but you seem to have missed the part where I say It was made up by the Aikikai Hombu the way I show it. NOT as taught by the founder. (I may not have said it is the teachers that "MADE IT UP", and it is more of an exercise. U seem to know what U R talking about, so why should I try to say anything against your point of view? I also liked fighting in my younger years, and 99% of what is done in Aikiod would never work for real. But I am now older and no longer have that stupid dream that it would. I do it because I enjoy doing it.
This is one of several possibilities arising from an initiation of technique where a threat to the attacker's face yields an attempt to knock the arm down in order to get a punch through. Tori then uses a transfer of weight from front to back hip propelling the uke forward as tori goes under the arm. The static version is about learning the body mechanics required to break the hold. As you indicate no attacker meekly trots round and grabs the other hand; that is pure bullshido that gives Aikido a bad name. The traditional premise of such a hold is that momentarily one attacker is is holding you for another to stab you and keeping you from drawing a weapon.