One thought about making an ownership claim - if you don't, someone following might. They might then restrict access and do all the things we agree are not right regarding plant "ownership" and "patenting". However, if you do take out a patent on the plant, you could then place it into the public domain, thereby preventing anyone from ever restricting access.
its really nice that you put the names of the varieties in the screen, (written) because i tend to make screenshots of the varieties passing by so i can organise them on my computer for later ordering at a local nursery or do more research!
Just removed an old shed this morning, to build a chicken coop. Was trying to figure out what kinds of elderberry to plant nearby. This was perfect! Thanks!
Great stuff. Elderberry is tremendous. The seedling umbels look like dark spotlights. Mid-late summer blossoms, can't beat it. Incredible vigor. Leaves, berries, blossoms, shoots all prized by wildlife.
Hmm as for a name… perhaps name them after some of the birds that eat from them most? People who patent plants seem to name them after themselves a lot haha so why not the birds who ended up planting them? I never liked the idea of patenting plants either! Much love to Sasha, Yourself and your growing family. 💚☺️🌿
The Wyldewood elderberry is an indeterminate variety. Just as tomatoes are either determinate (ripen mostly at about the same time) and indeterminate (keep producing until frost), so it is with elderberries. That's why you see flowers and fully ripe fruit on the same Wyldewood plant. Secondly, you mentioned uneven ripening of the heads. With some of the newer varieties developed in Montana (Bob Gordon, Ranch, etc) the plants are cut to the ground when dormant. Then they bear fruit on one year branches and that seems to help with the uneven ripening. I can't say why, but it seems to work.
How about FOSS - Free and Open Source Sambucus? One of the later ones, the cluster hanging there looked like a red basket, which sounds kinda like breadbasket, which I think is catchy. So RedBasket. Maybe "Ferda" if you're a Letterkenny fan. Ferda Birds, of course. My daughter (2) and I just planted out a bunch of cuttings from you that we had rooting in some perlite. She was very excited to water them, it was a sweet moment. One of the cuttings I planted this spring produced a couple bunches of berries already. Absolutely astonishing vigor. I'll probably plant some seeds from it now that I've been inspired thusly! Really appreciate the variety review--would love a similar thing for other plants, perhaps honeyberries, seaberry, hardy kiwi, etc.
Here in California we have a Nova and a York bush. Between the two they produce about 15 to 20 gallons of berries (on stems) a year. We have a native variety from a cutting, that's known here as Mexican Elder. The parent produces berries with a white film on them. Supposed to be stronger medicinally. We have yet to plant our small native, so we don't know yet how it will produce.
One of the best shrubs to grow! Loved this video. I’ve been wondering which other varieties I should add to the mix. We have some seed grown Elders that the birds planted in the garden. I’m very excited to see what they are like once they come to fruition. We grow Johns and Nova but I definitely want to add more varieties.
You should name it after the baby! First child and first elderberry 💖I would love to get some cuttings! What a wonderful story to tell for generations!💖💖💖🌱🌱🌱
About ‘Marge’ : Marge was selected by and named after Marge Millican (born 1927), who is affiliated with Wyldewood Cellars Winery, Mulvane, Kansas, USA. She previously released the ‘Wyldewood’ American elderberry cultivar in 2010 (Byers et al., 2010). ‘Marge’ is a seedling progeny of an open-pollinated ‘Haschberg’ European elderberry. The ‘Haschberg’ mother plant was obtained from a commercial elderberry planting near Tattendorf, Austria in 2001, and eventually grown at Wyldewood Cellars Winery, Mulvane, Kansas. Open-pollinated fruits and seeds were harvested from these ‘Haschberg’ plants, with resulting seedlings planted in the field for evaluation. The ‘Marge’ genotype was selected in 2004 as showing exceptional vigor and producing very large berries (Figs. 1 and and2).2). Propagules were provided to the University of Missouri and Missouri State University for evaluation in 2006. ‘Marge’ immediately showed outstanding vigor, pest resistance, and was noted for its very large berries; promising enough to be included in a multi-location genotype evaluation that was established in Missouri in 2008 (Thomas et al., 2015a). :
Out west we have blue elder. Im sure there are named varieties, but all of mine are just wild seedlings. I've been incredibly impressed by how vigorous and productive they all. Side note, I might just be biased but I think blue elder tastes better than any other.
This is some great inspiration for continuing to grow seedlings ! Only by allowing plants to continue evolving will we find the partners we need to make it through the challenges to come. As for the name of the first elderberry you showed, I think that 'champion' would be a nice fit, as you called it ;)
I think the volunteer seedlings are awesome. I think most elderberries are clones. But a seed grown, possible hybrid, could be something really special! I have rhubarb seedlings that have popped up from different rhubarb plants. Instead of treating them like weeds, and ripping them out, I am allowing them to grow in place. I plan to transplant them to a new, properly spaced location, next Spring. I want to allow them to grow. Perhaps it will be a new variety! 🤷🏼♀️
Those seedlings are fabulous! I have 5 but the names are buried underneath from when I planted them. The heads are not large but they produced a great harvest this 4th year.
Maybe call them 'Edible Acres Spontaneous' and 'Edible Acres Freely'. Really great video! I so enjoy all the effort and sharing you do, Thanks! Marjorie
Or "pest invented" to accentuate just how little pests really are pests - that wild animals WORK and not just for their own sake but for nature as a whole.
Hi I live in north west England and I just happen to be prepping elderberries to freeze. I don’t know anything about them so really enjoyed your video.
Recommend making capers from the unripe berries if you have such loads of them. Great way to preserve beyond juices and jams! Longtime fan of you guys! You're awesome!
So do I understand that somehow you're reviewing my search history from yesterday and today and now you're putting out videos I want to see that are related to it? How did you do that?
You mentioned "Willow" in this video. I would like to plant willow trees on my property to use for weaving birdhouses and baskets. I'm wondering if I'm missing out on something. Why are you growing Willow? Are their more uses that I'm not aware of? Tks for your videos. I'm learning a whole new gardening vocabulary from you :):):)
Wow, the fruit size on that seedling elderberry is wonderful! Our largest, healthiest elderberry plant is also a seedling planted by a bird, and it's more vigorous, productive and self-pollinating than our other plants! Thank you for your videos.
I just don't seem to be able to grow them here in Austin - part of it could be the heat wave / drought we're having but I've tried twice (over a 4 year period) now with no luck - maybe just too darn hot ...? Water is definitely a challenge here, but I've worked pretty hard to keep them wet. I'm going to try one more time in dappled sun which may help. When the instructions say full sun, that usually means dappled here in Austin :)
so i started some elderberries from cuttings in pots this spring and they are looking amazing. would you recommend planting them in the ground before winter?
Awesome video. In your experience, does cross-pollination increase elderberry fruit yields? Do you have any experience with the more ‘ornamental’ varieties with black leaves and pink flowers? I have one and it has never really done all that well.
I've tried Black Lace and others like that and they are all dead now. I won't try again... I'm sure they're wonderful and also they are too fragile for me. Multiple types is really really important for healthy, vigorous fruit production
I'm in Hardiness Zone 7B and just harvested several heads of York! When I have enough I want to make kvass or some such bubbly libation.💜💜 We shall see! The Old stand of York by the road has been there since the 1800's when this was a fruit orchard. It has daughters on the other side of the property. I let them come up where ever. I planted on the north-facing bank last year, Bob Gordon along with your Senna💛 Bob has not bloomed but is thriving though not bushy yet, I feel due to poor soil which is coming along. I like their short habit! and am looking forward to seeing what their berries are like. // Perhaps "Droopy" might be a fun name for the 1st new elderberry the bees and birds made. Wow! It has really big berries! Much bigger than York! and the 2nd new elderberry has big red berries--or is that just an artefact of being drenched in sun🌞. Maybe call it "Big Red"? Blessings Abound.
If we purchased elder cuttings from you this past spring, do you think we should transplant them this month or wait until early spring? I've got them in an air-pruned bed currently.
I would generally only move them when they are pretty much dormant. For us a killing frost tends to happen mid to late October so we move plants then. Elder would do super well planted in their final home in the later fall so they wake up in their forever home... Spring is good, too, but get them out of the air prune box before winter and heel them in. Good luck!
Woah those are whoppers! Never have I ever seen such big fruiting heads. Name suggestions: Platter and Birdie (although I quite like another person's suggestion of bigbird too).
Will hybrid self-pollinating varieties (Marge) pollinate American varieties? I planted a bob Gordon and a Marge this year, and I’m not sure if I need another variety for pollination.
How are you using the sorghum, Sean? Being from the south, I know sorghum syrup and have recently purchased sorghum flour, just wondering what direction it will take at Edible Acres, thanks.
I'm going to be growing Blue Elderberry from seed next year Sambucus cerulea, just tomorrow I'm going to harvest the fruit - it's a native in the pacific northwest, but unfortunately I don't see it a lot in peoples front yards or growing wild in hedgerows. Also growing cuttings for the first time, most of them rotted I didn't have an adequate set up, had warm bottoms and warm tops 😆 that and poor soil mixture, but I fixed that with buying another batch of cuttings using sand, vermiculite and one handful of potting soil. The varieties that I did get to root were Ranch, Haschburg and Bob Gordon. Have you folks ever planted elderberries when out of dormancy, how has that gone for you? Would love to read your experience!
We have transplanted out of dormancy but they really don't love it, it is good to avoid! You can always cut leaves back a bit if needed, but if you can wait until winter that is ideal... Sounds like a great collection you are building!
I recently received my elderberry cutting order, and some of my bundle were labeled as "Wild York Seedling". Do you know if that was either of the two seedlings you mention in this video? Everything looks so healthy and ready to grow, I'm excited to get them into the ground tomorrow :)
Hmmm... It was a blur getting everything together for the shipping so I can't remember exactly. That may have been a seedling we call 'road elder' as well, which is based on cuttings we found from a great American elder type. Seemed like in the York lineage, so that may be what you've got there. If you order things from us in the spring (3/1), you can request cuttings from 'Birdie' and that is the type I mention in the video here...
@@edibleacres Thank you so much! I'll keep that in mind for future orders. I'm sure it's a whirlwind event packing all those cuttings. I'm so grateful to have been able to order some!
Can anyone tell me if Johns is way larger than York? They are growing together but one towers above the other, and has much more robust leaves, to the point where until it flowered last year, I wasn't sure if it was a sumac. Tia!
Since the fruit cluster ripens unevenly (and the ripe fruit drop) when do folks usually harvest? Like, do folks worry about removing a few green berries from a mostly ripe cluster, or wait for a morebripe cluster at the loss of some berries?
I'd probably aim to collect most of the fruit and some will spontaneously grow. 70% or more to harvest... OR harvest a small amount of seed from your favorite plants and deliberately plant it out, even better!
Hi Sean and Sasha, Aves Sambucus or the Bird Elderberry (seams about right doesn't it). Alternative name, the same name of your "little bean" child. Have you decided on a name? I can't remember any videos you have said. Cheers, Bill
If you have a new variety of elderberry you should register/patent it. Make the new variety available to all gardeners. Generate some income to fund your sustainable activities.
Any guess which type would be native to pnw Cascade foothills in Washington state? I'm curious and mine is wild. Think it's about 15ft tall maybe 20ft.
I am not ANYwhere near a source of high level info on this, but European elder seems to do best with a decent amount of pruning but not hard hard pruning like American. Bringing things back to a main trunk every few years seems beneficial, although I tend to (for better or worse) slowly shape into a small open tree form since it looks really nice and seems to still offer fruit. Basic idea is less pruning needs than American...
i watched alot of your video's and heard you say for the first time 'kinda cannabis looking', im kinda still looking for all that quality information in visual video format about all that
It's quite frustrating that here, in the UK, Sambucus is 'still' mainly bred for ornamental reasons, the emphasis being on fancy leaf colour. The idea of using Elderberries as a fruit producing plant is still extremely limited (been trying to buy a S. caerulea from anything other than seed for years). If a grower took the initiative to import these lovely looking fruit varieties to the UK to sell for a non-forbidding cost, there would be plenty of happy permaculturists here.
I'd be happy to have more varieties on offer. Currently, selling Black Lace and Haschberg, soon Haidegg-17. The Black Lace is far and away the best selling. I agree with you, let's get on board with the easy to grow, bountiful, nutritious food already!?
Elderberry-knowledge folks, I'm trying to establish an elderberry (a wild type from a local native nursery) in an area with heavy deer pressure. It keeps getting browsed by deer, so I think I need to fence it until it can get above their heads? Is a ring of 6-foot welded wire the way to go? I planted it for wild things, so I don't mind if it gets browsed, I just want it to be able to produce nectar and fruit for little friends.
If not a ring of welded wire, perhaps a ring of Jerusalem artichokes? Probably not practical for one that's already growing, but the deer love them so much they forget about nearby plants. I've read of others planting sunchokes around their baby trees to protect them, and it's been very effective.
Funny how we both like to allow bird poop plants to express themselves. I've made a transition from searching for wild plants with the largest clusters to searching for plants with the largest berries. It has taken me about ten years to finally find my Holy Grail. Last spring I discovered a plant that is a ten mile bike ride from civilization. It has a head/cluster that is 18in across and the berries are all close to 5/16in dia. Using a drill index I measured some berries larger than 5/16in. The heads are so laden with large fruit that two of the heads snapped under the weight. I've picked 14lbs from this one plant this season. There are four giant heads left to be picked that are not fully ripe. I will definitely be propagating this great find. Both around my house and at my farm I leave the clusters of 1/8in berries for the birds. I've named this newly discovered wild cultivar "Purple Birdie Poop". Nice to find someone that shares my affinity toward elderberries.
How about calling it the "Eldergrove Berry"? This name combines the idea of elderberries with the concept of a lush, fruitful grove, emphasizing the bountiful and thriving nature of this new tree variety created by Edible Acres.
Hi Sean, thanks for your videos! I love them. Not sure if you'll read this comment, but I think you'd be interested in checking out "Landrace Gardeing" by Joseph Lofthouse. Fascinating info about radical cross-pollination and genetic diversity. Genetically mixed varieties can exhibit hybrid vigor, but often also have better health and performance due to greater overall genetic diversity
Concerning the Hybrid elderberry, There's no place like home. I have a heirloom pink rose on my family's property that goes way back. I don't know who or where it came from.
"Nature's Gift" Elderberry has a nice ring to it!
Exactly! That or a variation of it which shows the value of "pests"? Maybe "pest invented".
Bird Berry Seedling? @@SimonHaestoe
I like this name, too.
One thought about making an ownership claim - if you don't, someone following might. They might then restrict access and do all the things we agree are not right regarding plant "ownership" and "patenting". However, if you do take out a patent on the plant, you could then place it into the public domain, thereby preventing anyone from ever restricting access.
True.
An appropriate opportunity for acts of civil disobedience...
add the new variety to the open source seed initiative
Just as you first called it “Champion”, that’s exactly what the new elderberry should be called, as it truly is, a Champion.
its really nice that you put the names of the varieties in the screen, (written) because i tend to make screenshots of the varieties passing by so i can organise them on my computer for later ordering at a local nursery or do more research!
I too, am appreciative
Just removed an old shed this morning, to build a chicken coop. Was trying to figure out what kinds of elderberry to plant nearby. This was perfect! Thanks!
Great stuff. Elderberry is tremendous. The seedling umbels look like dark spotlights. Mid-late summer blossoms, can't beat it. Incredible vigor. Leaves, berries, blossoms, shoots all prized by wildlife.
I absolutely love your identification of the 'children' of your landscape, these new gorgeous elderberry cultivars!
Hmm as for a name… perhaps name them after some of the birds that eat from them most? People who patent plants seem to name them after themselves a lot haha so why not the birds who ended up planting them? I never liked the idea of patenting plants either! Much love to Sasha, Yourself and your growing family. 💚☺️🌿
Thanks kindly!
Birdie seems to be popular, if not generic, name folks are sharing... It resonates :)
Appreciate the respect & kindness you show to wildlife.
That new Edible Elderberry variety by the gate looks amazing!
The Wyldewood elderberry is an indeterminate variety. Just as tomatoes are either determinate (ripen mostly at about the same time) and indeterminate (keep producing until frost), so it is with elderberries. That's why you see flowers and fully ripe fruit on the same Wyldewood plant. Secondly, you mentioned uneven ripening of the heads. With some of the newer varieties developed in Montana (Bob Gordon, Ranch, etc) the plants are cut to the ground when dormant. Then they bear fruit on one year branches and that seems to help with the uneven ripening. I can't say why, but it seems to work.
How about FOSS - Free and Open Source Sambucus?
One of the later ones, the cluster hanging there looked like a red basket, which sounds kinda like breadbasket, which I think is catchy. So RedBasket.
Maybe "Ferda" if you're a Letterkenny fan. Ferda Birds, of course.
My daughter (2) and I just planted out a bunch of cuttings from you that we had rooting in some perlite. She was very excited to water them, it was a sweet moment. One of the cuttings I planted this spring produced a couple bunches of berries already. Absolutely astonishing vigor. I'll probably plant some seeds from it now that I've been inspired thusly!
Really appreciate the variety review--would love a similar thing for other plants, perhaps honeyberries, seaberry, hardy kiwi, etc.
Here in California we have a Nova and a York bush. Between the two they produce about 15 to 20 gallons of berries (on stems) a year. We have a native variety from a cutting, that's known here as Mexican Elder. The parent produces berries with a white film on them. Supposed to be stronger medicinally. We have yet to plant our small native, so we don't know yet how it will produce.
Those elderberries are amazing, really large 'heads'! Absolutely beautiful!
Sasha and Champion are my two favorites so far. Also named after the baby would be cool.
I found the information very helpful...Always appreciate a walk through your garden space.
Just amazing! You have some fantastic elderberries, from birds pooping seeds in your garden! We all should be so fortunate! Thanks for sharing!
Of course!
One of the best shrubs to grow! Loved this video. I’ve been wondering which other varieties I should add to the mix. We have some seed grown Elders that the birds planted in the garden. I’m very excited to see what they are like once they come to fruition. We grow Johns and Nova but I definitely want to add more varieties.
❤❤❤ Beautiful Elderberries ❤❤❤
I think using a family name or naming it after a mentor or your new youngster would be cool for the elderberry you asked for a suggestion on.
What a lovely idea!
ByeSon 🐃
You should name it after the baby! First child and first elderberry 💖I would love to get some cuttings! What a wonderful story to tell for generations!💖💖💖🌱🌱🌱
I came here to say this as a parent of two young kids! I love this!
Live it.
Our oldest daughter we call Elderberry (nickaname).
Nice watch, and more insightful from somebody who has a good botanical knowledge.
I don't know about that, but I'm into plants at least!
About ‘Marge’ :
Marge was selected by and named after Marge Millican (born 1927), who is affiliated with Wyldewood Cellars Winery, Mulvane, Kansas, USA. She previously released the ‘Wyldewood’ American elderberry cultivar in 2010 (Byers et al., 2010). ‘Marge’ is a seedling progeny of an open-pollinated ‘Haschberg’ European elderberry. The ‘Haschberg’ mother plant was obtained from a commercial elderberry planting near Tattendorf, Austria in 2001, and eventually grown at Wyldewood Cellars Winery, Mulvane, Kansas. Open-pollinated fruits and seeds were harvested from these ‘Haschberg’ plants, with resulting seedlings planted in the field for evaluation. The ‘Marge’ genotype was selected in 2004 as showing exceptional vigor and producing very large berries (Figs. 1 and and2).2). Propagules were provided to the University of Missouri and Missouri State University for evaluation in 2006. ‘Marge’ immediately showed outstanding vigor, pest resistance, and was noted for its very large berries; promising enough to be included in a multi-location genotype evaluation that was established in Missouri in 2008 (Thomas et al., 2015a).
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Super appreciate the details here, thank you!
Out west we have blue elder. Im sure there are named varieties, but all of mine are just wild seedlings. I've been incredibly impressed by how vigorous and productive they all. Side note, I might just be biased but I think blue elder tastes better than any other.
This is some great inspiration for continuing to grow seedlings ! Only by allowing plants to continue evolving will we find the partners we need to make it through the challenges to come. As for the name of the first elderberry you showed, I think that 'champion' would be a nice fit, as you called it ;)
Love it!
Thank you for what you do.
Elderberry is one of my 1st multipurpose plants to propagate & learn to use for wildlife, myself & a few cuttings to sell. 😊great info.
‘Wine-Drunk’ would be a perfect name for such a luscious purple berry!
Ha!
I think the volunteer seedlings are awesome. I think most elderberries are clones. But a seed grown, possible hybrid, could be something really special!
I have rhubarb seedlings that have popped up from different rhubarb plants. Instead of treating them like weeds, and ripping them out, I am allowing them to grow in place. I plan to transplant them to a new, properly spaced location, next Spring. I want to allow them to grow. Perhaps it will be a new variety! 🤷🏼♀️
This is excellent. Thank you.
Me and the little guy today went and picked a ton along the creek here in my urban setting was alot of fun.
Thanks!!
Those seedlings are fabulous! I have 5 but the names are buried underneath from when I planted them. The heads are not large but they produced a great harvest this 4th year.
Maybe call them 'Edible Acres Spontaneous' and 'Edible Acres Freely'. Really great video! I so enjoy all the effort and sharing you do, Thanks! Marjorie
Or "pest invented" to accentuate just how little pests really are pests - that wild animals WORK and not just for their own sake but for nature as a whole.
Berry berry good.
Hi I live in north west England and I just happen to be prepping elderberries to freeze. I don’t know anything about them so really enjoyed your video.
Wow those are nice seedlings with big fruit! I have johns and Adams which have big flower heads, but small fruit. I usually toss it to the chickens!😊
Recommend making capers from the unripe berries if you have such loads of them. Great way to preserve beyond juices and jams! Longtime fan of you guys! You're awesome!
Neat idea, thank you!
That last variety, Dinner Plate! Sasha, we're going to need some elder recipes later, please? 😅
i've been happy with the american elderberry plants i've ordered over the last couple of years.
Purple Gobstopper,
Chicken and
"It's for the birds"
are my 3 name suggestions for the hybrids.
Elderberries are doing so well on year 2. Fruit already! Hardy as it gets. You must have a ton!
So do I understand that somehow you're reviewing my search history from yesterday and today and now you're putting out videos I want to see that are related to it? How did you do that?
You mentioned "Willow" in this video. I would like to plant willow trees on my property to use for weaving birdhouses and baskets. I'm wondering if I'm missing out on something. Why are you growing Willow? Are their more uses that I'm not aware of? Tks for your videos. I'm learning a whole new gardening vocabulary from you :):):)
Prince York!
Wow, the fruit size on that seedling elderberry is wonderful!
Our largest, healthiest elderberry plant is also a seedling planted by a bird, and it's more vigorous, productive and self-pollinating than our other plants!
Thank you for your videos.
Eldible Acres Elderberry should be the name!
My auto correct doesn't like it, but I like the play on words❤
Great video as always Sean. How long does it take to grow fruit from seed? Thanks.
I just don't seem to be able to grow them here in Austin - part of it could be the heat wave / drought we're having but I've tried twice (over a 4 year period) now with no luck - maybe just too darn hot ...? Water is definitely a challenge here, but I've worked pretty hard to keep them wet. I'm going to try one more time in dappled sun which may help. When the instructions say full sun, that usually means dappled here in Austin :)
Elder-incrEDIBLE berries 👍
so i started some elderberries from cuttings in pots this spring and they are looking amazing. would you recommend planting them in the ground before winter?
Awesome video. In your experience, does cross-pollination increase elderberry fruit yields? Do you have any experience with the more ‘ornamental’ varieties with black leaves and pink flowers? I have one and it has never really done all that well.
Ornamentals seem to be pretty tame and only produce a handful of berries if the plant is happy, so just pretty to look at.
I've tried Black Lace and others like that and they are all dead now. I won't try again... I'm sure they're wonderful and also they are too fragile for me.
Multiple types is really really important for healthy, vigorous fruit production
Thank you, that’s very helpful to know!@@edibleacres
AMEN
Since the novel elderberry is also a new "child", I think you should name it in honor of your new baby. :-)
I'm in Hardiness Zone 7B and just harvested several heads of York! When I have enough I want to make kvass or some such bubbly libation.💜💜 We shall see! The Old stand of York by the road has been there since the 1800's when this was a fruit orchard. It has daughters on the other side of the property. I let them come up where ever. I planted on the north-facing bank last year, Bob Gordon along with your Senna💛 Bob has not bloomed but is thriving though not bushy yet, I feel due to poor soil which is coming along. I like their short habit! and am looking forward to seeing what their berries are like. // Perhaps "Droopy" might be a fun name for the 1st new elderberry the bees and birds made. Wow! It has really big berries! Much bigger than York! and the 2nd new elderberry has big red berries--or is that just an artefact of being drenched in sun🌞. Maybe call it "Big Red"? Blessings Abound.
12:45 Gatepost.
If we purchased elder cuttings from you this past spring, do you think we should transplant them this month or wait until early spring? I've got them in an air-pruned bed currently.
I would generally only move them when they are pretty much dormant. For us a killing frost tends to happen mid to late October so we move plants then. Elder would do super well planted in their final home in the later fall so they wake up in their forever home... Spring is good, too, but get them out of the air prune box before winter and heel them in. Good luck!
Just what I needed, while contemplating my small Edible Acres elderberries!
Hmm. New York Ranch? Sambucus Edible Acres?
🤣🤣🤣
I like em, we'll see!
Woah those are whoppers! Never have I ever seen such big fruiting heads. Name suggestions: Platter and Birdie (although I quite like another person's suggestion of bigbird too).
How much do you observe a new cutting grows in the first season? How much height should I expect first year?
They can be slow year one as cuttings, sometimes a foot or two or three... Then year 2 can be 6' or more quite easily!
@@edibleacres Thank you- that is helpful to know- i'll be patient- im new to growing these out...
Will hybrid self-pollinating varieties (Marge) pollinate American varieties? I planted a bob Gordon and a Marge this year, and I’m not sure if I need another variety for pollination.
How are you using the sorghum, Sean? Being from the south, I know sorghum syrup and have recently purchased sorghum flour, just wondering what direction it will take at Edible Acres, thanks.
No idea just yet... It is set in motion so we can hopefully learn!
I'm going to be growing Blue Elderberry from seed next year Sambucus cerulea, just tomorrow I'm going to harvest the fruit - it's a native in the pacific northwest, but unfortunately I don't see it a lot in peoples front yards or growing wild in hedgerows. Also growing cuttings for the first time, most of them rotted I didn't have an adequate set up, had warm bottoms and warm tops 😆 that and poor soil mixture, but I fixed that with buying another batch of cuttings using sand, vermiculite and one handful of potting soil. The varieties that I did get to root were Ranch, Haschburg and Bob Gordon. Have you folks ever planted elderberries when out of dormancy, how has that gone for you? Would love to read your experience!
We have transplanted out of dormancy but they really don't love it, it is good to avoid! You can always cut leaves back a bit if needed, but if you can wait until winter that is ideal... Sounds like a great collection you are building!
Barry Elder
I recently received my elderberry cutting order, and some of my bundle were labeled as "Wild York Seedling". Do you know if that was either of the two seedlings you mention in this video? Everything looks so healthy and ready to grow, I'm excited to get them into the ground tomorrow :)
Hmmm... It was a blur getting everything together for the shipping so I can't remember exactly. That may have been a seedling we call 'road elder' as well, which is based on cuttings we found from a great American elder type. Seemed like in the York lineage, so that may be what you've got there. If you order things from us in the spring (3/1), you can request cuttings from 'Birdie' and that is the type I mention in the video here...
@@edibleacres Thank you so much! I'll keep that in mind for future orders. I'm sure it's a whirlwind event packing all those cuttings. I'm so grateful to have been able to order some!
I vote "Birdfeeder" for the mystery hybrid, looks like a champ!
I second this!
Can anyone tell me if Johns is way larger than York? They are growing together but one towers above the other, and has much more robust leaves, to the point where until it flowered last year, I wasn't sure if it was a sumac. Tia!
Since the fruit cluster ripens unevenly (and the ripe fruit drop) when do folks usually harvest? Like, do folks worry about removing a few green berries from a mostly ripe cluster, or wait for a morebripe cluster at the loss of some berries?
I can't quite say!
When does the nursery open for the fall?
We normally open Sept 1st but we are taking this fall off... We will resume with a bunch of offerings in spring 2024 on March 1st!
What's your thoughts how much to harvest and how much to let create a seed bank? I'm thinking collect 30% per plant, leave 70%.
I'd probably aim to collect most of the fruit and some will spontaneously grow. 70% or more to harvest... OR harvest a small amount of seed from your favorite plants and deliberately plant it out, even better!
I was just thinking about getting a cultivar of elderberry
How easy is it to propagate Elderberries from the berries themselves? Finger Lake seems a good name.
I haven't tried explicitly but they sure do come up on their own so it can't be that hard!
@@edibleacresThanks!
Hi Sean and Sasha,
Aves Sambucus or the Bird Elderberry (seams about right doesn't it). Alternative name, the same name of your "little bean" child. Have you decided on a name? I can't remember any videos you have said. Cheers,
Bill
If you have a new variety of elderberry you should register/patent it. Make the new variety available to all gardeners. Generate some income to fund your sustainable activities.
Hi 1:00 , do you have Turkish rocket seed?
@EdibleAcres The elderberry should be named after your new-to-be little one!
Any idea if the Black Lace cultivar produces fruit?
Yes it does. I have some. It's sambucus nigra and needs pollinating by another.
@@rsbhomevideos thank you!
So cool man, amazing attitude! 'finger to ownership'??
You should call it Dembrosky Elderberries
Your unique bird-poop elderberry cultivar could be named Seansha. (If you draw it out and squint your ears it even, audibly, includes Juan.) 🙃😊
"4hundrend49million AND THREE!"
Your REAL number...😂
Any guess which type would be native to pnw Cascade foothills in Washington state? I'm curious and mine is wild. Think it's about 15ft tall maybe 20ft.
Sambucus cerulea
@@allisondennis8257 thanks
Do I prune my European varieties in the same way as American? I have Samyl and Samdal... I can't find any clear info. Thanks!
I am not ANYwhere near a source of high level info on this, but European elder seems to do best with a decent amount of pruning but not hard hard pruning like American. Bringing things back to a main trunk every few years seems beneficial, although I tend to (for better or worse) slowly shape into a small open tree form since it looks really nice and seems to still offer fruit. Basic idea is less pruning needs than American...
i watched alot of your video's and heard you say for the first time 'kinda cannabis looking', im kinda still looking for all that quality information in visual video format about all that
I used to find it fascinating to grow that plant, but at this point so many other folks do it, and do it so well that we focus on the perennial world
It's quite frustrating that here, in the UK, Sambucus is 'still' mainly bred for ornamental reasons, the emphasis being on fancy leaf colour. The idea of using Elderberries as a fruit producing plant is still extremely limited (been trying to buy a S. caerulea from anything other than seed for years).
If a grower took the initiative to import these lovely looking fruit varieties to the UK to sell for a non-forbidding cost, there would be plenty of happy permaculturists here.
'Marble Acres'?
'Bubbling Acres'?
I'd be happy to have more varieties on offer. Currently, selling Black Lace and Haschberg, soon Haidegg-17. The Black Lace is far and away the best selling. I agree with you, let's get on board with the easy to grow, bountiful, nutritious food already!?
I’m Australia we only have the wyldeood variety, flowers and fruit at the same time. Sure would love seeds from your babies. Would you send them here?
I'm afraid we don't offer shipping plant material outside of the US. I'm hopeful you can find a good source for yourself!
Those new varieties look wonderful! Why not name one Edible Acres? And I like Sasha for the other ;)
Could be!
Beautiful or miracle
Call it the WISE elder. I loved the channel before you mentioned not wanting to patent the plant. Our vibrations clearly match frequencies
How about naming your new elderberry Sashawn (Sasha+Sean)? Thanks for the video as always.
Cute name mix, thanks :)
Red Marvel for the new Elderberry:-)
Elderberry-knowledge folks, I'm trying to establish an elderberry (a wild type from a local native nursery) in an area with heavy deer pressure. It keeps getting browsed by deer, so I think I need to fence it until it can get above their heads? Is a ring of 6-foot welded wire the way to go? I planted it for wild things, so I don't mind if it gets browsed, I just want it to be able to produce nectar and fruit for little friends.
Yes once it gets established they seem to handle deer browse ok.
If not a ring of welded wire, perhaps a ring of Jerusalem artichokes? Probably not practical for one that's already growing, but the deer love them so much they forget about nearby plants. I've read of others planting sunchokes around their baby trees to protect them, and it's been very effective.
@@trumpetingangel What an interesting idea! I'm going to look into that.
“French Taunter”, à la Monty Python skit
Funny how we both like to allow bird poop plants to express themselves. I've made a transition from searching for wild plants with the largest clusters to searching for plants with the largest berries. It has taken me about ten years to finally find my Holy Grail. Last spring I discovered a plant that is a ten mile bike ride from civilization. It has a head/cluster that is 18in across and the berries are all close to 5/16in dia. Using a drill index I measured some berries larger than 5/16in. The heads are so laden with large fruit that two of the heads snapped under the weight. I've picked 14lbs from this one plant this season. There are four giant heads left to be picked that are not fully ripe. I will definitely be propagating this great find. Both around my house and at my farm I leave the clusters of 1/8in berries for the birds. I've named this newly discovered wild cultivar "Purple Birdie Poop". Nice to find someone that shares my affinity toward elderberries.
"Making it rain" :) as a name suggestion
How about calling it the "Eldergrove Berry"? This name combines the idea of elderberries with the concept of a lush, fruitful grove, emphasizing the bountiful and thriving nature of this new tree variety created by Edible Acres.
When you were displaying the last one and turning the head it reminded me of birds during murmuration. So maybe murmuration for a name? 🙂
Interesting!
Hi Sean, thanks for your videos! I love them. Not sure if you'll read this comment, but I think you'd be interested in checking out "Landrace Gardeing" by Joseph Lofthouse. Fascinating info about radical cross-pollination and genetic diversity. Genetically mixed varieties can exhibit hybrid vigor, but often also have better health and performance due to greater overall genetic diversity
Concerning the Hybrid elderberry, There's no place like home.
I have a heirloom pink rose on my family's property that goes way back. I don't know who or where it came from.