Middle-earth's Greatest Duels

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  • Опубликовано: 28 июн 2023
  • In this video, we'll look at some of the most iconic duels across Middle-earth's history. Who fought them? What happened during the duel? And how did they impact the rest of the story?
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  • @chables74
    @chables74 11 месяцев назад +31

    Sam v Shelob deserves a mention. One of the biggest dark horse victories.

  • @ahmerjadoon7680
    @ahmerjadoon7680 11 месяцев назад +19

    Thus when Fingolfin, High King of
    the Noldorin Elves, rode alone to Angband to challenge Morgoth to combat, he cried at
    the gate: 'Come forth, thou coward king, to fight with thine own hand! Den-dweller,
    wielder of thralls, liar and lurker, foe of Gods and Elves, come! For I would see thy
    craven face.' Then (it is told) 'Morgoth came

  • @TheMarcHicks
    @TheMarcHicks 11 месяцев назад +44

    Isn't it obvious? The duel between Sauron & Finrod was a Rap Battle 😉

  • @GILGAMESH069
    @GILGAMESH069 11 месяцев назад +9

    Morgoth vs fingolfin also have the best art pieces of all time

  • @zionnobre3139
    @zionnobre3139 11 месяцев назад +13

    Great video! That being said, however, what about Sam vs. Shelob?

    • @tiltskillet7085
      @tiltskillet7085 11 месяцев назад +3

      Great call. I think that might be the most gripping duel in the legendarium, in that it's written in a way that isn't remote and mythic, and Sam is a very relatable kind of hero. Plus who hasn't had a terrifying confrontation with a gigantic spider at some point?

  • @istari0
    @istari0 11 месяцев назад +16

    What's interesting is who didn't have a major league duel. Aragorn. The closes he came was slaying the Corsair Captain when, as Thorongil, he led a fleet of Gondor on a surprise attack on Umbar that destroyed much of their fleet. It's very much like Tolkien.

    • @celtofcanaanesurix2245
      @celtofcanaanesurix2245 10 месяцев назад +2

      that is interesting, especially when you consider he is amongst the greatest warriors of the third age, and yet only ever killed orcs and minor men of darkness in battle

    • @anaussie213
      @anaussie213 10 месяцев назад +8

      He stands against the Ringwraith's at weathertop though and drives them off. Only a mighty hero could do so.

  • @kazikmajster5650
    @kazikmajster5650 11 месяцев назад +8

    Ok, before watching, my guesses:
    Tulkas VS Melkor
    Fingolfin VS Morgoth
    Finrod Felagund VS Sauron
    Huan VS Carcharoth
    Túrin VS Glaurung (a bit of a stretch)
    Eärendil VS Ancalagon
    Eärnur VS Witch King
    Bard the Bowman VS Smaug (stretch)
    Thorin VS Bolg (not Azog, I'm looking at you, Jackson!)
    Nazgûl VS Farmer Maggot
    Gandalf VS Balrog
    Éowyn VS Witch King
    J.R.R. Tolkien VS All the different concepts about Middle Earth that he couldn't pick from, and constantly changed before he wrote tLotR, and even after too.

    • @mathildehb0076
      @mathildehb0076 9 месяцев назад +1

      Éowyn was the most epic of them all. Female power!!!

  • @brethilnen
    @brethilnen 11 месяцев назад +4

    I love all of the duels that you talked about

  • @andreasderycke42
    @andreasderycke42 11 месяцев назад +6

    I think it would be an epic duel between Eärnur and the Witch-King, if that ever happened

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  11 месяцев назад +7

      I think there's a good chance Earnur would've won, which is why I believe the duel never happened. It was almost certainly a trap.

    • @Archagor
      @Archagor 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@DarthGandalfYT It definitely would have been an interesting duel. I wonder how many Numenorean gifts the Witch King retained. If he was one of the great lords of Numenor, maybe even from the line of Elros, and he was born nearly 3000 years before Earnur, he probably would have had a good starting point. Then again, I also wonder how much effort the Witch King actually put into martial prowess. We know Earnur loved the art of combat, and if the Witch King decided to focus on other skills, then I agree with you that Earnur would have won.

    • @jfm1991
      @jfm1991 3 месяца назад

      Yes, we fought. It was a very difficult battle I had a chance to win but the Witch King was not honorable nor brave, I never had to go Minas Ithil to fight...
      It was great to know that Eowyn and Merry were able to kill him.

  • @bristleconepine4120
    @bristleconepine4120 11 месяцев назад +8

    So... what about the showdown between Lúthien and Morgoth in the climax of the Quest of the Silmaril? This wasn't a martial duel, more of a magical one between Lúthien's charm and Morgoth's willpower, but it was possibly the most influential of all of the duels that you mention here! 😉

  • @mrmeowmeow710
    @mrmeowmeow710 11 месяцев назад +4

    👍👍 loved it

  • @charlesbrown351
    @charlesbrown351 10 месяцев назад

    Great video!

  • @rafaelgustavo7786
    @rafaelgustavo7786 11 месяцев назад +9

    The Sauron defeated by Gil-galad and Elendil was greatly weakened after the fall of Númenor:
    "Sauron was, of course, 'confounded' by the disaster, and diminished (having expended enormous energy in the corruption of Númenor). He needed time for his own bodily rehabilitation, and for gaining control over his former subjects. He was attacked by Gil-galad and Elendil before his new domination was fully established." Letter 211

    • @Crafty_Spirit
      @Crafty_Spirit 11 месяцев назад

      Thx for the citation 👌🏼

    • @istari0
      @istari0 11 месяцев назад +1

      Of course, he was also the one who started that war.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 11 месяцев назад

      @@istari0 I think it was a little bit of both. Sauron was weakened, Last Alliance knew that and with an oppourtinity they attacked him. Sauron knew Exiles would get stronger if he left them to their own business so he had to kill them fastly and effectively. If it wasnt for the destruction of Numenor, I dont think neither side would start a war.

    • @istari0
      @istari0 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@oguzhanenescetin5702 It was Sauron who launched the invasion of Gondor, intending to defeat it before it could establish itself. But he and the forces of Mordor were weak themselves and the invasion was blunted. Once the armies of Gil-Galad and Elendil arrived, they swiftly defeated the forces of Mordor and the seven year siege began.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@istari0 We already know that. What I am saying is, Exiles and Sauron were both weaker in their current situation. If Sauron had waited; his enemies would grow stronger, if Gil Galad had waited Sauron would recover. Both factions needed to take the first action to defeat their enemies

  • @pippinisawesome52
    @pippinisawesome52 5 месяцев назад

    THE OUTTRO DAMMIT I LAUGHED SO HARD I STARTED COUGHING

  • @getdeved
    @getdeved 11 месяцев назад +2

    Maybe a video idea; why did Morgoth's taint affect elves and men differently?

    • @PiraticalBob
      @PiraticalBob 6 месяцев назад +1

      *runs off to register "Morgoth's Taint" as a rock band name*

  • @Charlie.a
    @Charlie.a 11 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you

  • @Carlb328
    @Carlb328 3 месяца назад

    Earnrur vs the Witch King could have been epic but we'll never know. Also the Fellowship vs the troll.

  • @cavetroll666
    @cavetroll666 11 месяцев назад

    Fingolfgin and Morgoth forsure thanks for the video :).

  • @lawrencetalbot8346
    @lawrencetalbot8346 11 месяцев назад +3

    “If you want to duel someone, pick a child.”
    Breaking News: child violence up 700% after Lord of the Rings fans follow advice from RUclipsr

  • @Jopeymessmusic
    @Jopeymessmusic 10 месяцев назад +2

    Glorfindel's story is pretty mental, even in the context of Tolkien's world. How favoured by God do you have to be to get reincarnated with more power than a first age eleven leader (who are jacked af in the story?) I often wonder how powerful he actually was after the respawn. Like, was he bordering on maiar level or not a chance? I guess we'll never know.

  • @ingold1470
    @ingold1470 10 месяцев назад +3

    Was Fingolfin vs. Morgoth the inspiration for Dark Souls?

  • @oguzhanenescetin5702
    @oguzhanenescetin5702 11 месяцев назад +8

    It must be specified Luthien was the one who made Huan victorious. Huan fled before Sauron in his first sight and he was able to fight with him only after Luthien casted a spell of “drowsiness” upon Sauron. Luthien is always so underrated.
    I think Gandalf vs Balrog is by far the coolest duel of Middle Earth. I mean they fought for 10 days despite Gandalf being sent to ME in a mortal body. Their fight started with fire than shifted to vapour and water and lastly it ended with ice and lightning.

    • @talesoftheeldar8688
      @talesoftheeldar8688 11 месяцев назад

      I don’t think luthien is underrated ,she may be overrated

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 11 месяцев назад

      @@talesoftheeldar8688 She is superior to every single elf. Everyone says Fingolfin and Feanor has the better of her. She is underrated

    • @SNWWRNNG
      @SNWWRNNG 11 месяцев назад +1

      Luthien's cloak only made Sauron drowsy for a short moment, as far as I understand it She saved her own life, but there's nothing in the text saying she affected the duel between Huan and Sauron - if she didn't use her cloak Sauron would kill her, and then Huan would defeat Sauron anyway.
      If anyone is underrated from that story it's probably Beren. The greatest Man to ever live, and people make fun of him for not being the equal of a legendary half-maia elf and a divine hound. Luthien saved Beren and did the overall more notable deeds, but Beren saved her multiple times as well despite being of a less powerful species.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 11 месяцев назад

      @@SNWWRNNG Beren is of course underrated and one of the most loyal characters in Silmarillion but you are wrong. Huan literally FLED before Sauron when he first saw him. Saurons power was too much for him to overcome and why text should specify that spell affected Sauron in his fight with Huan? We see Luthiens spells can work for hours straight such as when she stunned Carcaroth before enterring to Angband. If it wasnt for Luthiens spell, Huan wouldnt even attack Sauron at the first place. Sauron would also be unable to kill him ( Huan had immunity against beast strength and devilry+ prophecy ) but at the end of the day Huan couldnt sucseed in freeing Beren if it wasnt for the spell of Luthien which was described in the Lay of Leithian as “mightier than the spells of Melian”

    • @IronsteffL
      @IronsteffL 4 месяца назад

      @@SNWWRNNG Lets not forget that Sauron didn't try to kill Luthien at all, but wanted to deliver her to Morgoth. If he really wanted to kill her, he would have probably succeeded, but his arrogant restraint gave Huan the chance to gain the upper hand.

  • @talesoftheeldar8688
    @talesoftheeldar8688 11 месяцев назад +1

    Please do some First age What ifs !

  • @elinaragon5051
    @elinaragon5051 5 месяцев назад

    Earendil vs Ancalagon is my favorite other than the ones you mentioned

  • @anti-liberalismo
    @anti-liberalismo 11 месяцев назад +2

    There was also the duel between Celebrimbor and Sauron during the Fall of Eregion

    • @alecbrewton1750
      @alecbrewton1750 11 месяцев назад

      I didn’t think celebrimbor ever fought Sauron I thought he was captured by orcs

    • @anti-liberalismo
      @anti-liberalismo 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@alecbrewton1750 the only information about this duel is in the Unfinished Tales, where it is said:"Celebrimbor, desperate, himself withstood Sauron on the steps of the great door of the Mírdain; but he was grapled and taken captive, and the House was ransacked."

  • @ryancarter1080
    @ryancarter1080 11 месяцев назад +3

    Here's a question, how did the Corsair's gain enough wood to build their massive navies, they lived in a desert and while I have no doubt there was some vegetation along the rivers, coasts and oasis's, was there truly enough wood to supply the entire region with fire, huts, houses, chairs and other wooden materials plus a massive war navy with hundreds of ships with some of them being of gigantic proportions? I guess during the war of the ring Sauron could have provided the wood from other parts of his empire but the Corsairs always seemed to have a large and powerful navy even before they served Sauron, so where did they get the wood to first maintain their stolen fleet (Castimir sons) then once it was destroyed build new ships.

    • @Hlord-be4xx
      @Hlord-be4xx 11 месяцев назад +7

      I think the answer would be the same as the answer to how North Africans were able to acquire the wood, be it Carthage, Barbary pirates, etc. Carthage itself had a massive maritime empire and I believe the city itself is what inspired Umbar

    • @sayagarapan1686
      @sayagarapan1686 11 месяцев назад

      3D printers. Or China.

    • @Crafty_Spirit
      @Crafty_Spirit 11 месяцев назад +2

      Idk but it's mentioned that there are dense forests in Far Harad

    • @istari0
      @istari0 11 месяцев назад +1

      It was on the coastline so it may not have been a desert there. With the nearbye river, they could have supplemented the rain by using irrigation to help grow enough wood.

    • @thomasalvarez6456
      @thomasalvarez6456 11 месяцев назад

      The whole place isn’t desert, there are some trees.

  • @reecepip4857
    @reecepip4857 11 месяцев назад

    Sequel video: middle earth's greatest dudes? Fins, noggin, duuuuuude🐢

  • @alanmike6883
    @alanmike6883 11 месяцев назад +1

    Should do top ten battles that changed me history? 😊

  • @talesoftheeldar8688
    @talesoftheeldar8688 11 месяцев назад +1

    Where is Beren vs the lord of nogrod and Fram vs scatha ?

  • @saeidkazemi5866
    @saeidkazemi5866 2 месяца назад

    What about Tulkas VS Melkor?
    Or Melkor VS Ungoliant although they both survived?
    Or poor Sam VS Shelob?

  • @stevenwetherbee7573
    @stevenwetherbee7573 11 месяцев назад +1

    The lack of Dwarven representation in this list is noted.

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  11 месяцев назад +1

      I suppose I could've had Glaurung vs Azaghal. I can't think of any other duels.

    • @florianbarkowski6856
      @florianbarkowski6856 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@DarthGandalfYTDain vs Azog

  • @sayagarapan1686
    @sayagarapan1686 11 месяцев назад

    That last one.

  • @Crafty_Spirit
    @Crafty_Spirit 11 месяцев назад +1

    Eru v. Númenor
    Túrin v. Saeros
    Isildur v. Ork archers
    Helm Hammerhand v. Freca
    Frodo v. Barrow-Wight
    Fram v. Scatha
    Azaghâl v. Glaurung

  • @docopoper
    @docopoper 11 месяцев назад

    Also Luthien dueling Mandos' emotions.

  • @PiraticalBob
    @PiraticalBob 6 месяцев назад

    Does Hurin's last stand at Nirnaeth Arnoiediad count? "Aure Entuluva!"

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  6 месяцев назад +1

      Not sure if 1 versus 10,000+ counts as a duel, but I've thought about doing a video on last stands, and that would definitely be #1.

  • @Archagor
    @Archagor 11 месяцев назад

    How does one actually master the One Ring? You did a video a while back on 'What if you found the One Ring?', and of course, bad things would happen. Still, how could someone master the Ring?

  • @tsuchan
    @tsuchan 11 месяцев назад

    "If you want to duel someone, pick a child". That was what Voldemort did.

  • @philkugler2429
    @philkugler2429 8 месяцев назад

    What about Denethor vs tomatoes?

  • @bartekwesoowski1113
    @bartekwesoowski1113 11 месяцев назад

    Somethng that has been on my mind lately may sound a bit ridiculous but since the ainur could not hurt the children of iluvatar, how was Gandalf able to kill Easterlings, how was Sauron able to kill elves and men or how was even Melkor able to kill Fingolfin or Finwe, any thoughts on this

  • @Wilhelm92
    @Wilhelm92 4 месяца назад

    It's obvious it's not a good idea to fight a Balrog.

  • @thylange
    @thylange 6 месяцев назад

    Eomer vs Ugluk☝️

  • @phoule76
    @phoule76 11 месяцев назад

    where my jools at?

  • @shiroamakusa8075
    @shiroamakusa8075 21 день назад

    Fingolfin challenging Morgoth was an act of selfish stupidity. He knew he couldn't end Morgoth, the result didn't matter because Morgoth never led his armies from the front anyway and he deprived his own kingdom of its king when it needed him most. I'm all for acts of valor, I'm not for senseless, useless suicides.

  • @Martin..v
    @Martin..v 11 месяцев назад

    Turin vs glaurung

  • @tiffanynajberg5177
    @tiffanynajberg5177 6 месяцев назад

    I wonder who would win…sauron’s kid vs aragorn’s kid

  • @tiltskillet7085
    @tiltskillet7085 11 месяцев назад +2

    Smeagol vs. fisssshes. Smeagol vs. rabbit. Smeagol vs. nassty elf food. Smeagol vs. fiery chasm...but Maedhros did that one first.
    You can't go into Gandalf's duel with the Balrog without even mentioning him getting schooled by the Witch King at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields and losing handily to Saruman in the Battle of Concussion Sticks. Consider the fact that what we know about his one win is almost entirely what Gandalf himself said about it. Even if we accept the word of a shameless self-promoter, look at his overall record. Duelist Evaluation: Overrated.
    More seriously, I'm quite fond of Tuor vs. Maeglin. And its epic sequels, Maeglin vs. Gravity and Maeglin vs. Catastrophic Deceleration I, II, and III.

    • @jika327
      @jika327 11 месяцев назад

      "him (Gandalf) getting schooled by the Witch King at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields"
      If I understand the meaning of 'getting schooled' correctly, I must ask: when did he get beaten by the Witch king? Sure, the latter boasted a lot but I don't recall reading much action at the gates of Minas Tirith

    • @TheMarcHicks
      @TheMarcHicks 11 месяцев назад +1

      I think you're getting events from the books mixed up with events from that trashy film adaptation.

    • @tiltskillet7085
      @tiltskillet7085 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@TheMarcHicks I thought PJ was adapting the trippy old rotoscope movie. I had _no idea_ Bakshi wrote books first. Are they good reading? :P

    • @istari0
      @istari0 11 месяцев назад

      Movie scenes that contradict the books don't count. The Witch King was not in the same league as Gandalf the White. Heck, even when supported by his fellow Ringwraiths, the Nazgûl couldn't defeat Gandalf the Grey at Weathertop.

    • @tiltskillet7085
      @tiltskillet7085 11 месяцев назад

      @@istari0 _"...the Nazgûl couldn't defeat Gandalf the Grey at Weathertop."_ Source: Gandalf the Grey.