I Installed R600a Inverter Compressor In OLD Refrigerator!!
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2023
- Are you tired of high electricity bills caused by your old refrigerator? Look no further! In this captivating video, we demonstrate a cost-effective solution to reduce your energy expenses. Join us as we install the revolutionary R600a inverter compressor in an old refrigerator, helping you save money while promoting eco-friendly practices. With the R600a inverter compressor, you'll witness a remarkable improvement in energy efficiency and cooling performance. Our step-by-step guide takes you through the entire process, making it accessible even for beginners. Discover how this simple upgrade can transform your appliance into an energy-saving powerhouse, reducing your carbon footprint and benefiting the environment. By optimizing the cooling cycles, the R600a inverter compressor ensures consistent temperature regulation, maximizing freshness and extending the lifespan of your food. The result? Lower energy consumption, reduced wear and tear on your refrigerator, and significant savings on your monthly electricity bill. Join our community of smart homeowners and learn how to retrofit your old refrigerator with the R600a inverter compressor. Say goodbye to excessive energy consumption and hello to a more sustainable lifestyle. Don't miss out on this opportunity to save money and contribute to a greener planet.
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#refrigerator #fridge #compressor #inverter #r600a #old
in 1993 I was 30 and I changed the motor-compressor to r-12 in 45 minutes ... and my knees did not hurt)))
Very clear annunciation, no distracting background music - this helped along with your clear step by step replacement process.
Satisfação por ter instalado um compressor fabricado no Brasil
Last week my fridge totally gave up. I figured it would be the relais and compressor like in your vid. But since i didn't have all the equipment and knowledge you have, i figured to buy another fridge and let them take away the old one. In contrast to the fridge in your video, mine was pristine from the inside, no filth or stains or anything. I actually hope they refurbish my old one at the depot, since there is already enough waste. Also i am glad there still exist simple fridges that don't have bluetooth or other of those electronics inside. (Unfort. not with washing machines. I can't find a single washing machine anymore with a mechanical clockwork cylinder inside. All bleep bleep electronics now). Keep up the good job!
You can rip the beep beeps out and replace it with older system, or an Arduino
Check out Speed Queen washers.
I'm amazed it's cost effective to replace the compressor and re gas with hours of labour on a very old freezer. I note the old gas was let into the atmosphere. That's not allowed in many countries.
Yes Inverter compressors work on variable frequency drive, which makes them to adjust the speed of the compressor using control boards. Also they can be smartly Used with thermistors to control the refrigerator temperature, Well I checked one of your video too. You are doing good work to. Appreciate your work too.
in their country it is much cheaper to repair the unit rather than buying a new one.
Yes it do is..
what he does is illegal everywhere on this planet. He MUST not release the R134 to the atmosphere
@johgude5045 you can give him recycling machine, he can't afford it
Yesterday i convert R600 fridge/ freezer to R134a. Had to change condenser, compressor and filter drier. Also shortened the capillary tube, now freezer compartment is at -25C and fridge compartment at 4C. Pressures when saturated are 5psi on low side and 120psi on high side.
Thanks for the info
@@el1Mundo on what basis??
Can you explain why you shortened the capillary?
to reduce restriction, with tube in original length the high side was getting too much and the low side went into vacuum@@kareemhameed4042
You are a perfect candidate for the carbon felt pad used to protect from welding and I'm sure brazing. You'll still need the regular wet cloth to cool. I was amazed it was able to protect whatever I put under it when Arc Welding.
I had several old fridges that had rusted compressor pipes and all the R12 had gone years ago. The compressors still started and ran okay. I replaced the rusted bits with brazed copper pipe. I the pressurised the system with fuel grade LPG (propane butane mix). I then let all the gas out again and did this several times. As I refilled I watched the compressor current which did not get up to the rated current on the compressor label. Ice started to form on the suction side so I bled gas off until it stopped and then a bit more. After the fridge had come down to temperature, a little ice was forming again so I bled off a bit more. Two of those fridges are still okay ten years later,.No vacuum pump, no gauges, no oil change, no capillary change, no problems, lower power use, shorter running cycle just LPG highlighted on the label. Not illegal to bleed LPG to atmosphere. Most domestic gear chucked out can be home repaired.
problem is, that the fridge maybe become a BBQ one day.........
If you are measuring the temperature, then go closer to the object.
Many sensors have a 30° opening, this means that the sensor-area is around 30cm if you have a distance of 30cm.
The laser there is only good to see were is the center-point of this circle.
Some sensors have a focal point of 1:12 (2.5cm point at 30cm distance) or some very good with 1:60.
Many people are doing it wrong, because they think that the laser itself is the measurement-device.
And the surface what you want to measure should be black. If I measure a aluminium surface of a heat-sink, then I paint the surface black with a permanent marker before the measuring. If the black area is only 1cm in diameter, then I use only a distance of 1cm.
Oh that's a new thing, thanks man
@@forevertechenglish
IR thermometers are pretty neat. The one I have uses 2 or more thermocouples to measure the temperature-one exposed to light from the outside and the other not. The temperature difference indicates how much IR light is hitting the sensor.
Lenses focus the light, so there's a focal distance where the measurement area is smallest, and getting closer or farther away makes it bigger (think of a magnifying glass focusing sunlight). The manufacturer generally tells you how large the measurement area is for each device. You're measuring the 4th power mean temperature of the measurement area, so if you measure something half hot and half cold the thermometer will show a reading closer to the hotter temperature.
The IR emissivity of many materials is >0.9, but certain metals are a common exception. This pretty much means that those metals with low emissivity emit a small percentage of the IR radiation an ideal black body with emissivity 1 would. Such materials often reflect IR, so you're likely to measure the temperature of the reflection and the IR mirror you think you're measuring.
Instead of using that type of sensor use thermocouple - simple :)
@@Optimuseq - Yes, this would be more easy, you only have to get a contact with the other material.
@@micropower8 more precise
Checking for excess oil in the evaporator is a very in important step. Good he emphasized that
Great point!
Use a pressure regulator for the N2. In Romania these are delivered with 200 Bars. I would really not feed the circuit with this pressure. Regulating pressure by tapping on the valve is just insane. You are only regulating the flow, if the system is not open you can build up that pressure in the circuit....
Muito bom esse serviço. Pra fazer a nova carga de R600 poderia ter calculado 40% da quantidade original de R134. Isso é o que usam em média.
Abraços do Brazil.
Obrigado, meu querido irmão. Agradeço seu comentário do brasil
Not only the comments but also the compressor is made in Brazil 😂
@@carlosm4806 yep that's true
@@carlosm4806honest i think all thos video is made in brazil just with english narration
@@franciscoferreira-eh1yu Nope, those plugs aren't used in Brazil, those plugs are used in India and some African countries.
Extremely good video, I have old rounded fridge or cooler, what ever it is and want to use it it, but old compressor is working, but for sure, no forever.
great video again mate , thank you for the knowledge
Thanks
This dude know what he is going.. Appreciate your efforts in sharing us this video.
I appreciate that!
No he is wreckless and dangerous. He built a bomb.
wrong...not supposed to vent refrigerant to the atmosphere. This guy should be fired.
OMG the amount of dust in that fridge is totally off the charts. I cleaned out my desktop gaming PC after 2 years of daily use & it had only a fraction of the dust that fridge had.
No he does not. Dude let straight up refrigerant into the atmosphere...
Всё правильно, ты молодец! Very good 👍
This retrofit would never fly in the US. The EPA requires the R134A to be recovered ($10,000 fine for venting) the maximum R600 charge allowed by the EPA in any household appliance is 2.4 oz (68 grams), a retrofit of this type would void the UL (Underwriter's Laboratories) certification creating a serious liability risk to both the company and the technician performing the repair. When I was R600 factory trained and certified by Whirlpool, we were only allowed to use newly developed special crimp connections made specifically for R600, never solder connections. The only R600 units I worked on that were solder connections were manufactured by Liebherr.
Hey @ironman .. Please elaborate on why R600 would create a liability risk? He did say the extra charge was for the extra tubing. Would 20 grams make that much difference?
The only reason we allow R600 in the US is because the amount of flammable product is so small there is no chance for a leaded product could make a burnable mix due to the minute quantity of product.
By adding the 20 grams more than allowed should a fire or explosion happen withing a mile of this appliance dozens of lawyers would be lining up to sue and likely win million dollars
@@TheBlairHouseProject
@@waltahlgrim5508 I understand the point, but it seems highly unlikely. Pretty much unprovable in court. Plus most houses are filled with flammable things. I just don't think 80 grams of butane is going to make that much difference unless you release it all quickly in a tiny closet space and immediately light it. 😉
The EPA made the rules what you or I think about the rules is irrelevant. I for one will follow the rules. If you chouse another path all I can say is good luck with that plan.
@@TheBlairHouseProject
R134a has an gwp of 1430.
3,50kg of r134a is equivalent to 5t of co2 👌
A car dose 380 kg of co2 in one year
more globe warming
I don't think there's that much in it.
So he only filled it with 80g of R600
maybe a double or tripper would have been there.
think 200-300g r134a
(my car only contains 700g r134a)
we still have compressors from Zil Moscow refrigerators, produced in 1971. I installed it on the freezer and filled it with freon R134a. video can be watched on my channel, there is even with
English subtitles.
Is the change compressor a higher one or the same 1/6 of the danfoss?
You need a nitrogen gas regulator, but you still did a fairly good job.
Thank you
There are no subtitles in Hebrew.
You might require a regulator and pressure guage to be able to show the pressure supplied to the system, something around 15-18 PSI should do
@@NzelumChukwuebuka only industries na em dey use this nitrogen flush system. For naija here, we make use of cooking gas (LPG) very good than nitrogen.
@@kareemhameed4042 you mean use LPG for flushing? I never tried that, I use Nitrogen, I only use LPG + Oxygen for the brazing. LPG is highly flammable and high risk. I know of using Paint Thinners for flushing as well
Great video! Very helpful and a good explanation of the process.
I understand English is not your first language, so some future help for your English translations 🙂:
It is not "smoke" coming out of the vacuum pump, it is moisture/steam. Smoke in English is just associated with something burning.
The "Pinching Pin" would be better called the "Piercing Pin". It is penetrating a hole or piercing in English. Pinching is just to squeeze something together.
Keep up the great work! You have a new subscriber!
Thanks it will help me alot🙏☺️
Yea.. The gas is not 0ne hundred thirty four A... You could shorten the video if you just said 134a. Are you using a translation to engrish ?.. oops i mean English.
This my best work that I learne for three years in school please any looking for a job in this settle..
Which Meter did you used to measuring live voltage,current..
That final part, about condenser length and refrigerant type (and their boiling points) you mentioned at the end is not clear to me. Maybe you could prepare another video about these fluid conversions and the impact their properties could have inter original installation.
Thank you!
El desplazamiento volumétrico debe ser similar para ambos compresores ,de otra manera puede quedar una presión de succión muy baja lo que dañaría de forma prematura los flappers....no se si aplica para un inverter
A very helpful tip to extend the life of the compressor is to add 50ml of sulphuric acid to the compressor before regassing. This reduces corrosion
Amigo, sempre quis saber se é possível usar o sistema de uma geladeira para ao mesmo tempo que refrigera também esquenta água. Seria possível?
Please add more detail on the differences in the drier/why you are changing it, where and how you purchased the compressor/drier, what tools you are using. what kind of torch, type of flux and solder, how to safely use the compressed nitrogen, etc. Perhaps a video especially for that?
I hope this variable speed compressor is better than the one LG manufactures, as they are still having problems with them failing.
Have you ever thought of converting to an old school 134a compressor,,relay start....these lg Compressors are shit😂
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Keep it up
My pleasure
what is the solder stick you use? is it normal solder or a spezial thing?
I literally do the opposite here in the United States and replace r600a with 134a. I'm thinking about using r401a (yes 401 not 410) It was made as a replacement for r12 . R12 is about 30% more efficient than r134a so that should lower head pressure.
Que serviço de primeira congratulations from Brazil
Obrigado
Congratulations... regards from Athens Greece...
appreciated
Measure other similar refrigerators. Some refrigerators heat up the windings in this way for about 1 minute, while the motor stops, if the refrigerator was not connected to the mains for some time, and this may not be a fault but a normal operating mode. Other factors decide whether it is also a mistake.
Then the power factor of the inverter converter is practically 1, it cannot be 0.6, since the inverter consumption is exclusively active. This is then either wrongly measured, or it is a different misunderstanding in terms.
What about reclaim of the refrigerante first
If you recover the old R-12 or R-134 refrigerant, could you reuse it again (after filtering)? The old refrigerant is very expensive now?
Thanks a lot for this, really cool explaination !
Quick question: Don't we have a simple equivalent factor between R600a and R134a ?
Basically we are not extending or shortening the length pipes significatively so why can't we just use "original manufacturer R134a weight" X (standard_equivalent_factor) ?
Cheers !
All the refrigerant straight into the atmosphere :)
because the metric system and Celsius is used and also Indian plugs ( 226 Volt 50 Hz) it was not filmed in the US
And the use of cheap computer voice.
And yet, this channel just gives hearts to everyone, even negative comments.
TOO FUNNY!
😁👍😅😂🤣✨
I give Heat To every comment is because I appreciate their opinions too.
Here I Go I gave to yours as well.
Very well explained. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Curiosamente aqui no Brasil estamos fazendo o inverso retirando o compressor r600 e substituindo pelo r134a por motivo do compressor r600 travar muito em pouco tempo. Agora por curiosidade esse embraco é fabricação aqui do Brasil?
Oh, que interessante saber, você remove o compressor inverter r600a ou o compressor normal? Pois instalei um compressor inverter r600a da embraco, que está funcionando que nem uma fera nessa geladeira. Não sei onde é fabricado o compressor.
thank you for your good explanation
Glad it was helpful!
Eu tenho um freezer antigo da Electrolux sera que consigo trocar o motor dele pra inverter ?
After frig compartment meets 34 degrees do a frost-line adjustment charge on all small converted critical-charge cap-tube systems needing more or less gas than data plate indicates.
Very instructional video. Very well done.
Sir, about charging the system would have a different way so we dont have to wait this long?
In our field, we cant spend so much time on one call.
Thank you
In the box near compressor is startup electronics. Normally there is a Posistor chip, it gives extra energy to kick off compressor then blocks itself. Its probably the only thing defective, small chip.
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A bit more info about wiring specifically how do you control the temperature inside the compartments. Did the new compressor come with a control board?
Im looking to restore a very old fridge but haven gotten to it due to high power consumption of the old compressor. I'd like to upgrade to an inverter. Thanks
Did you change the capillary tube size?
Is there any point to flowing nitrogen through the system while you braze? Can you ?
Did you know that venting refrigerant to the atmosphere is a crime? It is required to be recovered per EPA 608.
Yes, that's true.
Yes, this is horrible advice and you should not show this in a a video, you inspire others to do the same, amount of environmental damage from venting that refrigerant is more than you'll ever save from installing the inverter compressor. At least rent a recovery unit and recycle the r134A
Hope To get one in the future, And yes I would not recommend anyone to vent the refrigerant. As I don't have one. I had to vent to fix the unit.
It seems to me that there was not much R134a left in the unit, since there was only a very brief hissing noise when the line was cut, so comparable to the 'minimis' release allowed by epa, even if technically illegal.
EPA has no jurisdiction in India, just saying 😂😂😂
It was funny when there were flies there and 1 got on my foot just now
The freezer was filled with meat, as the meat blood was mixed with the water, we open the freezer door and was shocked to see flies inside the freezer, therefore we cleaned it properly.
This is the first vdo I am watching of yours... Very well videographed AND explained. The voiceover does not sound computer generated at all. Loved and subbed 👍
How does the voice not sound CG? The tone emphasis is all wrong
@@mickwolf1077 as is the timing and several word choices. Understandable, but obviously very CG.
Either you are a liar or a thief! You can just like that change a "System" from one refrigerant to an other. There are factors that you Must keep in mind. There is a big difference in pressure between R-134a and R-600. Stop fooling people. No any time you have Not shown the pressure. Don't give me no "Damn" temperature, give me pressure. Why have those who invented the refrigeration system used 2 guages? ? ?
اشكرك مهندس
لكن لم يتم عمل إعاقة لفريون 600
ما السبب ؟ام أن إعاقته هي نفس إعاقة 134؟
nice video clips, showing well what is going on. the narration/translation is also very good! the technical skill of the person is also good. i'm impressed with this video which appears to come from Pakistan, if I'm not mistaken.
thank you very much sir for sharing,God bless.
You are very welcome
My dude just killed some baby birds when he let that r134a go
When 134a was produce it was supposed to be the safest on the planet.......be thankfull it not r12 and the billion refrigerator out there...😮
Good explanation! Thank you. Would be good if there would be a way to prevent the old gas from escaping to the atmosphere as ist is hazardous for the environment. Greetings from Germany.
love the smell of vented refrigerant! YUM. Very entertaining vid!
Thank you 😋
Very interesting vids! Thanks! ☺👍
Ela fica mais economica em ralação a gasto de energia?
Yep, because it consumes less energy then a conventional compressor, and is variable
Can you explain the boiling points again? An example is what if you didn't use the exact 1/6 compressor r600a like the one used in the video but a 1/5? Are you going to increase the condenser lines.
No I didn't increased the condenser as r600a Refrigerant is a low pressure, I Also told in the video that I had charged more refrigerant
Can you do video about condenser conversion for both scenarios of r600a and r134a, please? Many technicians will benefit from a great teacher like you.
Appreciated
Appreciated
Yes, please add more detail on the differences in the drier, what tools you are using, type of flux and solder, how to safely use the compressed nitrogen, etc. Perhaps a video especially for that?
I would like to know how you connected the inverter compressor to a regular 220v source?
The PCB board converts it.
I need to pc board
Why not put the oem compressor and stay with the 134?? It’s lasted 20 years and the new ones maybe 3 years 😊
Well i have noticed the time, i am checking out how much time this refrigerator lasts after installing the r600a compressor
I think you should adjust the flame of welding torch nicely. Moreover, you have done a decent job.Thanks.
Thanks for the tip
Actually, the manufacturer of that compressor, on their site, suggests to NOT use flame at all.
They have special fittings and tools to do the job without flame.
R600 is highly flammable, because it is, after all, BUTANE! You know... like in lighters and camp stoves.
And actually few people knows how to deal and work on such stuff.
@@forevertechenglish That is very true!
Which is why those who do not know SHOULD NOT attempt!
Agreed!??
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Vâng, đó là một gợi ý tốt.
The inverter need operating voltage and control voltage. Would you share how you wire the inverter.
I do not believe the compressor installed was truly an inverter compressor as you are correct that an electronic driver board would be required. It is also funny how the 134A simply disappeared out of the system when I blinked.
Had you ever replace a constant speed compressor with an inverter one with all electrical and control circuit?
Can we fit this compressor in AC and work
hi, is it same size of the capillary tube for refrigerant R134a or the different size of R600a ?
I have used the same capillary.
Ini sih bukan kompressor inverter
Kompressor 220v...tapi pakai R600@
try cleaning the coils too, sometimes it helps
Can I use 600gas and compressor in nofrost fridgh 134
What about compressor electrical connection
Is it single phase motor normal start and run coil and PTC overload relay protection ?
I have a separate video on it, types of inverter refrigerator compressor control
Thank you🙏 nicely explain.
Nitrogen regulator or you may no longer be with us
I use it everytime, but I knew no high pressure was required in this case.
😅😅😅😂😂😂😂😂
Ahahahahahahah. You think safety is on the list for overseas guys. He probably doesn't have one. Things are not easy to get don't forget.
He works like someone who has no fucking idea , saw someone doing it and did it
@@forevertechenglish your confusing of flow and pressure is dangerous.
Great job
Why must you crimp end? Can you leave service valve on?
why must you cut off the access port why cant it be left in place for future refilling ?
It will eventually leak if left unsealed.
E a ligação elétrica como foi feita?
😂
Does inverter compressor use significantly less energy to cool the box?
How is inverter compressor different from regular compressor? (Other than the type of coolant?)
If inverter compressor can save much more energy, WHY aren’t these standard in all fridges & freezers now?
If I take my fridge to a shop, can they do this?
انك مبدع حقا استمر فنحن نتعلم منك الكثير 🤍
Saludos cordiales desde Argentina
Very talented
All that dust might be why the compressor failed in the first place! The whole thing is nasty and that pressure washer was sorely needed.
Sir, you are practical as well as theoretical,,and thinking person, perfect tidy job, perfect job done, awasome job sir,
Thanks
Why did you remove the valve and solder it again?
Bro super can I fill r134a in R12 compressor for single door fridge.old compressor r 600a is fault so I have R12 compressor and can I recharge r134a gas to R12 .how much gas I want to install old 600 a is 37 grams
Excellent work. Where did you get the compressor and inverter to drive the compressor?
I got it from a local compressor vendor
you can just start the compressor after vacuuming the system and slowly add gas checking temperature in cold coil. when you add enough gas it would start to getting cold inside then just add a little bit extra as a margin and you good to go
And yes that is how I filled the refrigerant.
@@forevertechenglish then why so much measurements ?
A duvida e como ligar esse compressor
Isn't it like a 50k fine + reward to me for snitching in you here in the states 😂
Why was there no pressure reduction guage set used on the nitrogen cylinder?
System purging using nitrogen without reducer (when full it has 150 - 300 bar of pressure, depends what type of container is used)🤯
Its in india so safety is not number one, if die cheap other indian from street
How are you and how's the family, sir?
I have a question sir, I want to change a compressor which is an R12 to R134a of the same compressor size of 1/5HP. The former technician that install the former compressor added a 1/10 condenser hereby he disconnected the inner condenser from the outside one. I am thinking sir, since R134a has a higher condensing power than an R12 would you advice if I remove the 1/10 condenser and replace it with a 1/8 or 1/6 condenser sir. It's a one-door freezer-fridge. Or I should use the condenser and add a cooler fan?
Thank you sir, as I await your response.
Sorry Saw your comment today was busy. In your case, the former technician added a 1/10 condenser to compensate for the change in refrigerant. However, simply changing the condenser size may not be sufficient to ensure optimal performance. It's recommended to consult the manufacturer's guidelines or technical specifications for your specific freezer-fridge model to determine the appropriate condenser size for R134a.Removing the 1/10 condenser and replacing it with a larger condenser such as a 1/8 or 1/6 could potentially help improve the system's efficiency. However, it's crucial to ensure that the new condenser is compatible with your system and that it can be properly installed without causing any issues with airflow or space constraints.adding a cooling fan to the condenser can help improve the heat dissipation process and enhance the system's overall performance. A fan can increase the airflow across the condenser, assisting in heat transfer and maintaining lower condensing temperatures. This can be particularly beneficial when using R134a, as it operates at higher pressures and temperatures compared to R12.
See the technical specification sticker on your refrigerator.
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you vented that stuff to atmosphere?
Just venting the refrigerant to atmosphere?