He was one of the nicest people I ever met. We were actually supposed to work together, but his manager wouldn't let him do the gig. He was a truly kind person. I question suicide.
I live in the Mojave desert and know the area he went missing in (sheep mountains). Unfortunately I believe that his girlfriend’s comment has the true theory, especially with his cell phone and camera deliberately left behind. I remember watching his videos a while back and thinking he reminded me of a lot of desert rats I’ve known, going off trail and exploring around to find hidden things. I bet he would’ve been a fun and interesting person to know. My interpretation of his original comment was just him innocently telling a story about something weird that happened to him out in the desert, most everyone who does things like this has some weird stories. So sad especially if you consider the people goading him in the comments on his videos probably did not help his mental state when he was just trying to connect with other people of similar interests online. Maybe not being able to find the cave was one thing too much for him. Also wanted to add that anyone thinking it would just be easy for a person who hikes in the desert to find the exact thing over again, especially if they don’t have a gps or navigational tools, doesn’t understand how hard that actually is. The Mojave does have a long history of claims of mysterious caves going back since indigenous times, he probably did find a weird cave with creepy vibes (for the skeptics out there there’s plenty of natural reasons people can get creepy vibes in places, you don’t have to think Kenny was lying even if you don’t believe it had anything to do with Area 51). RIP Kenny, I hope you died somewhere pretty.
it’s called keeping his name out there until he is found. Not saying his name over and over people will forget. Kyle is just keeping his name out there, what are you doing other than trying to keep his name quiet?
Many RUclipsrs have found dozens of "M" shape cave entrances. It seems that's a natural formation in most cave entrances. I don't believe there was a weird vibration or secret area. Maybe there was an earthquake or the military was doing some maneuvers and Kenny felt the vibrations miles away. I lean towards his girlfriend saying that Kenny once told her, he knew where he could disappear and never be found. Kenny was risky many times. He often hiked with little provisions. Maybe he pushed it too far. He sure became a legend. People are still trying to find him, and are still talking about him. If he is found, they should leave him there. He's already home.
@@evilswissy So why are you here? I wasnt aware that any RUclipsr "owns" the topic of the video and of course they will basically give same info as the others because the facts wont change until they do.
I've seen other channels cover this story and they always try to make his disappearance seem like it had to do with the paranormal. Thanks for shedding light on his struggles and bringing some common sense to the story.
@@ursodermatt8809 People aren't victims of SM. It's a choice! Turn off the object of all your trauma and grief if it's causing you trauma and grief. Simple!
@@ursodermatt8809 Just my opinion here but his videos were not something he wouldve expected to see crappy comments on yet so many people prove everyday they dont need a reason but he definitely didnt go looking for people to argue with.
@@isabellindlind When people are very depressed, they are often also very lonely...so social media can feel like a lifeline to them. It's not that easy to just 'turn it off' when you are then completely alone with all your torturous thoughts.
Pray always and do according to what God lays on your heart, that still small voice described in scriptures. Some call it a gut feeling. Always harken unto that still small voice, because it is God speaking to our heart. ❤ 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
As a solo hiker for many years in the Utah desert, prior to cell phones and GPS, I cannot stress how dangerous the desert can be. Glorious, beautiful, heartbreaking and unforgiving. I feel for Kenny and I hope he is at peace. I heartily wish that people would realize how words can hurt, and how easy it is to be hurtful in a comment section where they can be unknown. At least in my day anyone trying to serve up hate would have had to do it to my face.
It’s a different day and time now. No violence is necessary, just communication and understanding. Just my 2-cents, for what it’s worth. I feel you though…
@@austinlee4156 Ah, thank you, very nice of you, but I was always very careful, carried maps, a compass, tons of water and let others know my route. I watched where I slept, sat and put my feet. I had a couple of good knives and a walking/snake stick . I saw a lot of things and went a lot of places, some of them stupid I admit, but I never really was in any true danger. I will admit tho, if I never hear another cougar scream in the middle of the night that will be fine with me!
If he did go out there to die I have to say I get it. Not because I'm currently thinking of doing the same but I've had that thought. The idea that this is all too much so going out to a well-loved place that brings peace and just not coming back is as soothing as it is morbid to contemplate. And before I get flooded with messages telling me to get help. I did. That's what im still here to write this message.
Only people who have had depression such as myself or any other mental illness can understand this unfortunately and your completely right sometimes life can become "too much" and then its easy to tell yourself "it would just be easier/better if i wasn't around" start of a slippery slope, just remember if you ever do feel this way to please try and get some help first there is someone out there who loves you, what else have you got to loose????
I agree and can also relate. I'm still in that boat and am still getting proper help. It doesn't help having extremely bad luck, depression, anxiety, and being a natural scapegoat.
I had to sign a contract with my therapist. I know this feeling too well and still cling to it. I am getting help and have been for a long time. Sometimes it’s just hard yet i do my best to continue to see the light of day.
I can so relate my friend. How you felt in the past...you weren't alone. I'm glad you overcame your struggles and depression. Maybe someday I will too.
Well, I didn’t expect that ending. I feel bad for initially thinking he went out there and died because of pride and ego, trying to prove something. To find out he was suffering and likely took his own life is heartbreaking. As they say…please be kind because you never know what someone is going through. Peace and bright blessings to you all.☮️
I'm just glad to hear there are still people that have never heard of this before now. It's a well loved topic on the platform, to put it mildly. I'm also surprised Kyle hasn't covered it yet. Probably hasn't till now because it's been covered alot. Am glad he did tho, cause it's in his wheelhouse for sure
Please use common sense he didn’t kill himself he literally left his gun in his vehicle no one is going to choose starvation and heat exhaustion as a way to die 🤦🏻♂️
Thank you Kyle for sharing Kenny's story. Bottom line is, a fellow human being lost his life. Rather then passing judgement, theorizing, pointing fingers, etc perhaps we would all benefit by reaching out to others. Kindness and compassion goes a long way, as well as a smile and simply asking a stranger "How are you? How's your day?" May Kenny RIP and may his family/friends find peace also.
Karen you are absolutely right. I have had up and downs in my life like everyone else. But when I start to feel sorry for myself, I always remember that someone has it worse than I do. We live in a harsh and unforgiving world. It takes more to frown than it does to smile. So that being said I am always smiling. 😀
Karen you won't find much kindness or compassion in this world these days. I have found many people are mean and cruel. Maybe these kinds of people mostly live in my area but there are a lot of them.
@@pioneercynthia1 no, this was for the "kindness and compassion goes a long way" in the comments. Some "victims" do not deserve either, they just bring their end on their own accord, even leaving a broken family unit behind.
I remember hearing about him trying to find that M cave again... initially I thought maybe he was setting up an ARG or found footage style horror situation. When he released his video saying he couldn't find it I couldn't believe the needless vitriol in the comments. This is the first time I've heard the conclusion to this story. I'm very saddened to hear that he likely lost the battle against his mental health struggles, and hope if he's still out there in some way (alive or dead) that he finds peace.
Bullying is still bullying, no matter one' s age, regardless of the platform. RIP Kenny. God bless and keep Sharon and Kenny's family in a your Arms, in Jesus' Name, amen.
Sometimes I think I preferred life before the internet, because I had no idea just how many cruel people there are out there. Poor guy didnt owe any of them any proof of anything. His videos werent required watching, yet so many horrible comments and im sure that was hurtful to him.
It's because they're not face to face with the person. IRL 99% of the people making these comments would never say what they said to his face. That's why I never take comments seriously.
Seems possible the social media criticism (justified or not) maybe took away the enjoyment of the one of the few things this guy felt he had left. Sad story and he sounds like a good dude given his girlfriend’s response. What a shame, whatever happened I hope he has finally found peace.
This story has always been a rough one. So sad. People can be so awful on the internet, but there can be so much kindness as well. Thanks, Kyle, for sharing Kenny's story. See you in December.
Rest in peace, Kenny. Thank you for treating this case with your usual respect, Kyle. Sheryon has a very strong heart full of much love despite her grief. May she find some solace.
My dad is on a search and rescue team. They use horses. He found the lady alive. She was in her 90's, in the middle of East Texas woods sitting under a tree singing to herself. She ended up getting a horse ride. He was in his 60s when he did this.
That is truly amazing. Her singing might have attracted the help she needed. Sounds like one capable and joyful young lady in her nineties, the rescuer was young enough to be her son. Awesome, thank you for sharing. 😊❤
A women in her 90's was in the middle of the Texas woods under a tree singing to herself ??. People in their 90's can't walk a hundred yards, so how did she get there ?....more context in needed.
I love it when Kyle says "mind you" 😂. Makes me laugh every time. He sounds a bit Welsh when he says it. Wales, UK, where i live. Everyone says it around here. Iv never heard an American say it. Mind you, iv never been to America. 😁
Poor Kenny, and his friends and family. No matter what happened to him, it's very sad that he was alone in that desert, and possibly struggling with some very difficult emotions when his time came. I actually hope against hope that he didn't fall down a mineshaft. I've seen enough horror stories about that to know it's likely a dreadful way to go. The few survivors of long falls down deep mineshafts tell some very harrowing stories of their injuries, and the pain they suffered, and it's a fate I wouldn't wish on someone. I hope, fervently, that his passing was more peaceful than that, and in a manner of his choosing.
Robin Williams had a disease known as Lewey-Body dementia. My mother passed from the same disease. They hear voices, and see people that arnt there. This madness leads them to take their own lives. It’s devastating
My friend 's older sister (70's) is suffering from this. She never had children or married (or even dated much, AFAIK). Now she has long conversations with her "friend" and her "little boy", even keeps children's clothes hidden away. It's heartbreaking.
Seems a lot of people want some supernatural explanation to this, when in reality, its just a very sad tale about a guy fighting a losing battle with his inner demons. I think a lot of us have been there, and many still are. Rest in peace, Kenny.
Omg YES and in general..shame, as most people seem to be morons. I find not caring what others think about me very liberating. I would have wished that for Kenny. Social media can be a curse
As someone who struggles with depression, this hits home. I hope he found peace amd everyone involved can be ok...theres always someone willing to listen and tell ur story
I'm a land navigation specialist. As I travel I use landmarks to navigate primarily. I have seen wonders people never get to see. I went hunting many years ago and didn't bring a flashlight or compass, left them in my truck and as night came I knew I made a poor choice. The trail had been washed out from a storm a few days before but I had been there several times in the past and didn't think twice about going. I headed back under starlight and heading the way I came I somehow got turned around and lost my location. I wasn't worried yet because I found some old logging road and thought it was a different road that I needed and had to go up and decided to not use logic because I knew everything and climbed the side of the hill up hoping to find the correct road to walk back to truck and when I got halfway up hill the trail behind me gave way and I lost my way back to road without rope. I climbed till I got to a flat spot and rested. I knew there was an old abandoned rock pit nearby that had a cliff that would guarantee a quick death so I yelled a few times and found that the cliff was very close and decided to stay put for the night instead of risking death, I took out my emergency blanket and curled up for the night. It was uncomfortable to sleep but the animals at night made it the best night I ever had. Had several deer stop by and visit and a large bull elk close enough to touch if I reached out. I understand that elk can be dangerous but I have been face to face with them many times. I have an alarm system on my truck and tried it many times with no luck also. I got up as the sun came over a ridge and went to stretch out and urinate and tried my button for the alarm and it went off less than 100 feet away and even had a trail leading down to it. It is a fact that I could have followed the dirt road out to the main road and then I could have found the road I drove in on from there and would have made it home safely not too late. I have set a night land navigation record at base nearby a few years later that is still not even close to being beaten that I did with a flashlight, compass, and map along with a Medic and a Mechanic soldier with no real land navigation skills. I am a trained Twisted Fister... 13F
This is such a sad story. He was so young still, and he had a beautiful smile and beautiful spirit. I think Sheryon’s take on what happened is extremely plausible. Depression is a terrible disease, and it is a shame Kenny didn’t get help for it. I offer her, and any others who knew and loved Kenny, my deepest condolences. R.I.P., Kenny.
This is an incredibly interesting mystery. I wish Kenny could have made it out to tell us what he found. A lot of things could have happened to him. High on the list is just having a bad mishap in the backcountry. It's happened to many others.
I never get tired of watching the Kenny Veach M-Cave story… Of all the missing hiker cases, this is the one I truly wish would be solved. I think a lot of people feel the same!!! what really happened to Kenny??? It just doesn’t seem likely that he took his own life.. there has to be more to the story
Imagine the lost GoPros were gonna start finding in the next decade; in hard to reach forest, caves, cravasses. Peoples last moments caught, and preserved.... It's haunting
This is another example of online bullying to a man who was already broken. Kenny's possible outlet that kept him at peace was taken from him and it's a shame he allowed heartless people to take it away from him. What I know in life and meeting people who battle depression, suicidal thoughts or even severe pain is, they tend to mask it and put on a show. I truly hope to those who do go through a dark time, seek help and comfort from those around you. If you seek help with those who've gone through or is going through the same path, it may help to understand you're not alone. I wish Kenny took Sheryon's offer to seek help and not take on the beast alone. I'll pray for Sheryon's recovery as I can't imagine the pain of losing a love one to something so tragic.
For those of us that suffer, and have mental struggles. Nature seems to be the only escape. It's a shame we hang on, lets celebrate his choice. At least his close ones understood his challenge and he went to where he felt best. My heart goes out to the ones still hurting from their losses. This bag of flesh we pilot is not the beginning or end, just an experience. To the rest of us broken minds, hang in their the shows getting good! Mad max days ahead!
I've heard Kenny's story before, but the detail that the comments of that video are now filled with love and memorials really hit me hard. Especially as someone who has also struggled with those kind of thoughts. You are loved and would be missed, more than you know.
What I find to be odd is that no one else, like the search & rescue teams, found the mysterious “M Cave.” Thank you, as always, for another very entertaining video, Kyle. 🙂✌🏻👍🏼
I think it's actually Snake 'bit,' not bite - Snakebitmgee. Pretty sure you only said the name once, but in any event, the whole story was enlightening, and I was curious if he ever found it, and once I heard he was missing, I just checked in once in a while to see if there was anything new, didn't actually dive into the comments, tho, so thank you for sharing what his girlfriend had put in there or I'd probably never have known about his father or his own struggles! Bless her heart for taking the time to let people know. If that is what happened, he did it on his own terms, maybe had a special place all picked out that he didn't even share with her for that reason, and is in his happy place now - that beautiful desert he so loved!! RIP, Kenny Veach😞
If he did find "The M Cave," as far as I can tell, after a lot of research, there's 3 possible caves. Pay attention to the 3 theories mentioned in this extremely well done video on his case very closely please.
To Sheryon- I'm sorry you have been forced to endure this loss. I don't know what the Law of Allowance is, but it sounds like a comfortable, flexible place for someone with depression to land. I'm glad Kenny had that in you. I imagine it was a break in his day-to-day battle that he appreciated. It's very altruistic of you to express your thoughts to a bunch of insensitive interlopers for their peace of mind.
I spend a lot of time in the wilderness. It is my sanctuary, my holy place. I go out with only a knife and a stick, sometimes a bottle of water. I spend hours out there, keeping to my silence, as many others have before me. I often hike for miles, or simply sit and watch. I have had my fair share of strange experiences. Things I will never share because I utterly respect the forest. I.have been to many, many countries and bush camped in Africa, Indonesia, Central America, SE Asia, Europe, wherever. I know the wild. Actuality I do not. What I do know that nature is not ours and never will be. The moment we become complacent can be our last. If I die in the wilderness I do not care, the forest is the only solace I have and it is utterly beautiful. It is exactly where I choose to be. I hope Kenny went somewhere beautiful beyond conception. He was a remarkable fellow and deserves no criticism for living life exactly as he wished. RIP Kenny. ❤
Kenny was pictured in front of the M cave. I've seen it on another video. But it had been blocked up. Another RUclipsr found it, too, and the Area 51 sign was back in place. He, too, after a couple of minutes, felt ill and felt the vibrations through his body and was violently sick for quite some time until he got away from the area. I'm sure it was on a Decoding the Unknown by Simon Whistler. They theorised that the body resonates at a certain wavelength and that a weapon utilising the 5-16hz range to cause pain and nausea. I'm not saying that was how Kwnny died, I'm saying that both RUclipsrs experienced the same thing with known tech being available. As for Kenny, sadly, I think he took his own life. BTW, I've not made any of the above up. It can be found on RUclips, but if you try to put links in videos, they are removed. Check out Simon Whistler Decoding the Unknown for further information. I'm sure Kyle won't mind me doing this, not to advertise DTU but to give those interested further information. RIP Kenny. And thanks, Kyle, for keeping the memory of Kenny alive.
Before you even got to that part my first thought, especially when he phone was left somewhere was this was a suicide, and he thought it would be better for everyone if he disappeared instead.
I’m going with the sad assumption that he did take his own life. He could’ve taken an overdose of pills and died in his bed at home. He could have sat in his car with the garage door down in the car running, however what he did was to choose a place that was that was so very close to his heart. And remember when he told his girlfriend, I will do it and no one will ever find me. What better place in vast desert or perhaps one of those caves or the cave? I’m so sorry he felt like he had to take his own life.
I am 48 now. I spent my summers with my grandparents and uncle and other family on the NW side of the Las Vegas valley near Lone Mountain. This was all way before things really became developed. Most of it was still rugged desert. I have been all over those mountains as a kid. My family always knew where I was going and when I would be back. We had a good system. Yes I was young... around 7 or 8 when I really had a lot of freedom to explore but I had earned a great deal of trust. Things were different then. I never ever crossed over the mountains to any neighboring valleys and the only time I would sort of be harder to find was if I decided to go around behind lone mountain... and when I did... they knew. (there was a terribly washed out sorta dirt road that went behind it then) I built multiple "forts" with scrap ya find here and there and even would stash water for later use in the next day or 2 if I decided to head back home early. There were some paved and dirt roads... but very little homes and development. My bike was my freedom and distances even to friends houses were often in miles. My mother moved there to take care of my grandfather after grandma passed so I spent 6th grade there the full year. It was the year Bush Sr. won the election. By then that place had lost its magic for me. I miss those summers with my grandmother. I miss those days out alone in the desert. Talkin to God. I didnt understand it then but in the way we do as Christians through the Holy Spirit... in Prayer. I sorta learned to think in Prayer. I still do to this day. Life is hard... it can be lonely... it can be brutal. My relationship with Jesus Christ is what carries me through it. I encourage everyone to seek that relationship out. Just ask... He will reveal Himself to you. I Pray that Kenny found his Peace and that his loved ones find theirs too. ML and Blessings to you all! Jesus Christ is the Way/Truth/Life!
There’s a decent horror movie/mockumentary about Kenny called Horror in the High Desert. I saw the movie first and then learned the story about Kenny Veach!
@@cmmosher8035 Is it that movie where a guy finds a place under the ground and after that he got home and has bad hallucinations, and later he and his friend went down together , they wanna close the entrance or something, but it went wrong? Sorry , english is not my native language!
Wowwww, I watched the original documentary a few years ago, I didn't know the part about him possibly committing suicide....so sad....God be with you Kenny and Sharyon...thanks for updating this story!!
This was a really intriguing story, Kyle! 1 thing that I wish you mentioned is whether or not he brought his gun with him as if he was going to commit suicide that would certainly be the quickest way to do it!
The mine is at the head of Joe May Canyon, known as Wildhorse Pass at the south end of the Sheep Range, on the Desert National Wildlife Range (refuge) northwest of Las Vegas. Even if he went beyond the mine, he was still 50 miles from Area 51. There's not a mystical power out there. There are hundreds or thousands of karst caves in the limestone mountains in Nevada. Also, it's very easy to disappear in many mountain ranges around here.
Robin Williams had an illness he didn't want to experience. It can be that Kenny did suffer like his father did, and committed suicide....so sad. He seemed like he had such a beautiful personality and was a good soul.
It’s so dangerous hiking there that at first I assumed he could more easily end up in trouble there but UHG. So sad. I grew up in the southwest and moved to the northeast but every time I head that way I always buy a case of water to keep in the car….
I've stopped hiking anywhere north of here since I saw the article about the hikers that found Julian Sands...I too would start out hoping to not find a dead body. Then they did. Didn't want to press my luck. ( I'm not as mentally or emotionally strong enough to handle that. I know my limits.)
I want to say again, PLEASE seek out help if you are depressed! You don't have to go the standard route of Dr's and pills. There are many of us holistic healers out here that could help. You are worth it! ❤❤❤ And yes, very grateful to all the search and rescue ppl ! They are awesome! ❤
I took life as my punishment. I have accepted there is no escape, not even death. You just get recycled on reincarnation. This is just an eternal lifetime of suffering.
Dude…I wish he would have started his own business…start some sorta adventure hiking experience where he shows people the desert…or maybe write a book about it…but it’s hard to think about anything really when you’re depressed ❤
I really admire the fact that Kenny was willing to put himself out there- on the internet and starting his own business. I wish things could have gone differently for him, and those that loved him.
Im in tears 😢 It's so sad. Regarding depression...I don't know what was running through Kenny's mind at that time but I do understand what depression is I suffer from it too! I take medicine for it however with depression, finding the right medication that works for you could take months. That's what happened to me just recently. The other medicine I was on wasn't working anymore. It was hell feeling like I did every single day, month after month. Cuz when you try different medicine it takes anywhere from 2 weeks or up to a month for you to feel if its working or not. If its not ya try a different med and wait another 2 to 4 weeks. My whole point is I understand depression. And if he wasn't taking any medication for it, I can only imagine what he musta been going through up in his head. One thing Kenny had, that I didn't, is thoughts of suicide. Thats one of a few reasons for my depression, and that's the fear of death, or more so the uncertainty of an afterlife. I cant fathom the thought of not existing anymore. Or I won't see my kids again when its their time. I can't handle the thought of any of it. My heart hurts for him. I don't believe suicide is the answer, but having depression and not being on any medication for it omg the mental struggles he musta had every single day, I guess I do see how someone would want to escape their life of misery for good. I remember he had said when he does go back to look for the M cave that he's bringing his sidearm. Well, Kennys favorite thing to do was to go hiking. He might of desided to not look for the M cave, thinking he doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. He just hiked where he wanted, probably enjoyed a beautiful sunset or 2, and he slept under the stars and yeah. The end sad as it may be, if this is what happened, its exactly how he wanted to exit planet earth........ Rest in peace Kenny wherever you may be. ❤
There is another RUclipsr who trekked or thought he did, Kenny’s trail to this cave. He found what he believed to be stacked stones deliberately put to hide the entrance to a cave that had the outline of a M and why Kenny couldn’t find it. Dude got sick and threw up on his video. He didn’t know if it was heat exhaustion or something along what Kenny experienced with the vibrations.
i'm assuming that what his GF expects happened, is actuallyy what happened, but... just throwing this out there cuz i never really saw anyone talk about it, but there's always the stalker possibility. when i was streaming i ended up getting 3 stalkers, 2 were pretty much harmless, but 1 definitely wasn't, and it's a big part of why i stopped streaming on Twitch a few years ago. i only had like 7k followers, and pretty much every one of the interactions i had while streaming were good ones. but i still got 1 insane person popping up everywhere, my house broken into multiple times, and they even tried to pry the door of my suv open. if someone who has had the vast majority of their comments and conversations be positive can have to deal with that kind of crazy, then imagine what could happen to someone if an extra crazy conspiracy nut thinks they are lying to them, or keeping the truth from getting out.
When he comments that the cave gave him the chills, I think he sensed a mountain lion or possibly some spirits. I don't really believe in the supernatural per se, but I have lived long enough to know there are some things that just can't be explained away with rational science. Premonitions for example. I know many people who have had premonitions that came true.
RUclips haters have killed a number of content creators. One that comes to mind was a young woman who threw herself under a train. Imagine doing something that you have such passion for, sharing it honestly, and getting such a disgusting result. You really have to be built properly to expose yourself to this evil without suffering damage. I hope there is a place in hell for these people honestly.
If someone wants cotton candy content then stay safely on tv. If on the internet probably better to call out the bots and contrived discord. A place where speech is allowed is likely to be managed for reasons to ensure basic divisions. It is unfortunate that he had questionable comment reactions but also someone’s page has a certain background which could have led to that initially. Usually people are fairly nice.
@@good1day726 I respect what you said. Consider this. What if you had to walk across a pasture to get to work that is full of friendly cows, except for 2 or 3 aggressive bulls? Most of them are fairly nice, but regardless, you are going to get injured every time you enter that pasture. More over, the other nice cows are just going to keep chewing their grass and watch it all. None of them will intervene to push back the bulls. This is just how cows are. This is the reality that every content creator has to deal with. Some handle it better than others, but those with struggles are far more vulnerable.
@@Dav-S5658 Thank you for your reply. I do understand the concept of bad apples and such. Do you propose censorship? No commenting? Again, the place to be is msm for this protection. To complain on here and ask for protection without first understanding the breadth of the problem and real reason for it, not sure how it is helpful. There is usually a reason for bad apples. They are posted looking for controversial subject matter and they will be the ones arguing in the comment section. These are paid shills. Already mentioned bots. Creators block problematic users regularly. Lots of content creators out there. They have mundane comments. Not seeing a lot of controversy out there which isn’t able to be traced to a reason. This place is highly censored as opposed to just a few years ago.
@@Dav-S5658 Thank you for your reply. I understand the concept of bad apples and such. What is the proposed solution being asked for? No comments? Censorship? The place for that protection is msm. YT is highly censored as compared to just a few years ago. It is nearly milquetoast. Looking at comment sections all the time, they are mundane. Aggressive dissenters are usually payed to be there based on subject matter. (deliberate misspelling due to comment already being dropped a few minutes ago). Creators can block usernames and do.
@@Dav-S5658 Thank you for your reply. I understand the concept of bad apples and such. What is the proposed solution being asked for? No comments? Censor ship? The place for that protection is msm. YT is highly censured as compared to just a few years ago. It is nearly milquetoast. Looking at comment sections all the time, they are mundane. Aggressive dissenters are usually payed to be there based on subject matter. (deliberate misspellings due to comment already being dropped 2x). Creators can block usernames and do. Sounds like the sentiment being echoed in the original comment is the talking point of ‘social media bad’ (root of all evil etc) promoted and parroted everywhere.
we wouldn’t be able to enjoy these trials etc without others who went “off trial” to discover what we enjoy today. so the judgement of others who go off trail ..is just GROSSSSSS
I am so sorry for his passing As a young woman I loved the outdoors and a couple of times I got into a jam climbing that scared me but it worked out. Looking back, a couple close calls. I loved to be alone outdoors too. God bless this poor guy. He must have been having fun and I pray he went peacefully.
John Allen, aka Mr. Ballen covered the story and with his experience as a former Navy seal, I tend to agree with him that if this cave was near area 51 it is possible that the military has implemented non-lethal deterrence to keep people away. Either way, I am sorry about Kenny, and hope that someday his remains will be found to bring peace to his family.
because, when it comes to social media, people only care about what they have to say. they always feels a sense of entitlement. so many people think what they have to say is the end all, be all. now imagine that, on a scale of THOUSANDS...
Kenny speaks truth in that comment. I wont tell hou what my job is but I talk to people all day, veterans mostly. This one old guy (thus was about 15 years ago) and he was old then (60s). He was going on and on about work he did in the Air Force. He described caves systems. I thiyght he was just a one off story but I have had 2 other guys his age, also AF different conversations describe the SAME location simliar stories. This is in a similar area. I hear crazy stuff about AZ, CA, CO,Nev, etc. I have no reason to think anyone is making anything up as it is recall. Go make friends veterans and listen to their stories. They go where no one else goes. If I hadn't been in the Army for 5 years and just sat inside playing video games, I would not have believed him. I have also heard of pilots (again, older) describe things. Stress doing work that is us unusual comes out at some point.
Right? I don’t see what’s so hard to believe about a guy finding a cave and getting a bad vibe from it and being scared away. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
I really don't know why people were not believing him about it. I'd believe that he found a strange cave and that something about it scared him into leaving.
If it was an accident he would still have his phone on him. Last thing he would do would be abandon his phone.. but looks like we’re no closer than we were the last 2 years
You have to understand that Kenny quit his job and built this home thinking he would invent some item that would make him very wealthy. His manic depressive cycles become quite clear in his videos. The desperation in his last few videos regarding his home are soo sad.
"Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about.
Be kind always."
Robin Williams
He was one of the nicest people I ever met. We were actually supposed to work together, but his manager wouldn't let him do the gig. He was a truly kind person. I question suicide.
He was referring to himself, my goodness.
@@Kathleen67.
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@@Kathleen67.I have questioned this as well.
I like that quote It is so true.
I live in the Mojave desert and know the area he went missing in (sheep mountains). Unfortunately I believe that his girlfriend’s comment has the true theory, especially with his cell phone and camera deliberately left behind. I remember watching his videos a while back and thinking he reminded me of a lot of desert rats I’ve known, going off trail and exploring around to find hidden things. I bet he would’ve been a fun and interesting person to know. My interpretation of his original comment was just him innocently telling a story about something weird that happened to him out in the desert, most everyone who does things like this has some weird stories. So sad especially if you consider the people goading him in the comments on his videos probably did not help his mental state when he was just trying to connect with other people of similar interests online. Maybe not being able to find the cave was one thing too much for him. Also wanted to add that anyone thinking it would just be easy for a person who hikes in the desert to find the exact thing over again, especially if they don’t have a gps or navigational tools, doesn’t understand how hard that actually is. The Mojave does have a long history of claims of mysterious caves going back since indigenous times, he probably did find a weird cave with creepy vibes (for the skeptics out there there’s plenty of natural reasons people can get creepy vibes in places, you don’t have to think Kenny was lying even if you don’t believe it had anything to do with Area 51). RIP Kenny, I hope you died somewhere pretty.
another re run by a content pirate youtuber.. how do these channels get subs when they just steal scripts and edits
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it’s called keeping his name out there until he is found. Not saying his name over and over people will forget. Kyle is just keeping his name out there, what are you doing other than trying to keep his name quiet?
Many RUclipsrs have found dozens of "M" shape cave entrances. It seems that's a natural formation in most cave entrances. I don't believe there was a weird vibration or secret area. Maybe there was an earthquake or the military was doing some maneuvers and Kenny felt the vibrations miles away. I lean towards his girlfriend saying that Kenny once told her, he knew where he could disappear and never be found. Kenny was risky many times. He often hiked with little provisions. Maybe he pushed it too far. He sure became a legend. People are still trying to find him, and are still talking about him. If he is found, they should leave him there. He's already home.
@@evilswissy So why are you here? I wasnt aware that any RUclipsr "owns" the topic of the video and of course they will basically give same info as the others because the facts wont change until they do.
I've seen other channels cover this story and they always try to make his disappearance seem like it had to do with the paranormal. Thanks for shedding light on his struggles and bringing some common sense to the story.
The girlfriend knew him best and he did confide to her that this was his plan and that no one would find him. I believe him…and her. Case closed.
Nice pile 😊 Thanks
If he was already depressed, the crappy comments could not have helped his mindset. You never know what someone else is going through.
if you are depressed, i don't think posting things on the internet is such a good idea if you are really sensitive to comments.
@@ursodermatt8809 People aren't victims of SM. It's a choice! Turn off the object of all your trauma and grief if it's causing you trauma and grief. Simple!
@@ursodermatt8809 Just my opinion here but his videos were not something he wouldve expected to see crappy comments on yet so many people prove everyday they dont need a reason but he definitely didnt go looking for people to argue with.
My opinion is that he purposely disappeared. He had money issues. He left his phone so he wouldn't be tracked.
@@isabellindlind When people are very depressed, they are often also very lonely...so social media can feel like a lifeline to them. It's not that easy to just 'turn it off' when you are then completely alone with all your torturous thoughts.
This goes to show why you should NOT care about what the haters think.. .just ignore them. Believe in yourself, that's all that matters.
True but ppl always look for others acceptance and you can't do that in this world. Ppl are just DB's...
Believe in God first, please consider also what those that truly love you, counsel you ...
Never listen to any haters, even if they are family.
Pray always and do according to what God lays on your heart, that still small voice described in scriptures. Some call it a gut feeling. Always harken unto that still small voice, because it is God speaking to our heart. ❤ 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
And if you're an internet celeb...you will have ruthless haters. It's the nature of the beast.
Haters are bullies.
Bullies are cowards.
And cowards are people who can't look in thier mirrors for what they see in it.
As a solo hiker for many years in the Utah desert, prior to cell phones and GPS, I cannot stress how dangerous the desert can be. Glorious, beautiful, heartbreaking and unforgiving. I feel for Kenny and I hope he is at peace. I heartily wish that people would realize how words can hurt, and how easy it is to be hurtful in a comment section where they can be unknown. At least in my day anyone trying to serve up hate would have had to do it to my face.
@@LindaSmith-r2f would love to hear some of your stories, I'm sure they are pretty badass.
It’s a different day and time now. No violence is necessary, just communication and understanding. Just my 2-cents, for what it’s worth. I feel you though…
@@austinlee4156 Ah, thank you, very nice of you, but I was always very careful, carried maps, a compass, tons of water and let others know my route. I watched where I slept, sat and put my feet. I had a couple of good knives and a walking/snake stick . I saw a lot of things and went a lot of places, some of them stupid I admit, but I never really was in any true danger. I will admit tho, if I never hear another cougar scream in the middle of the night that will be fine with me!
@@Morpheus903 I know, and I thank you for your words. I just hate to see people beat up by words that they can't even defend themselves from.
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If he did go out there to die I have to say I get it. Not because I'm currently thinking of doing the same but I've had that thought. The idea that this is all too much so going out to a well-loved place that brings peace and just not coming back is as soothing as it is morbid to contemplate.
And before I get flooded with messages telling me to get help. I did. That's what im still here to write this message.
Only people who have had depression such as myself or any other mental illness can understand this unfortunately and your completely right sometimes life can become "too much" and then its easy to tell yourself "it would just be easier/better if i wasn't around" start of a slippery slope, just remember if you ever do feel this way to please try and get some help first there is someone out there who loves you, what else have you got to loose????
I agree and can also relate. I'm still in that boat and am still getting proper help. It doesn't help having extremely bad luck, depression, anxiety, and being a natural scapegoat.
I understand, and I'm glad you're here ❤
I had to sign a contract with my therapist. I know this feeling too well and still cling to it. I am getting help and have been for a long time. Sometimes it’s just hard yet i do my best to continue to see the light of day.
I can so relate my friend. How you felt in the past...you weren't alone. I'm glad you overcame your struggles and depression. Maybe someday I will too.
You did an amazing job telling Kenny's story.
I agree.
Yes, he totally honored his memory. RIP Kenny 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Well, I didn’t expect that ending. I feel bad for initially thinking he went out there and died because of pride and ego, trying to prove something. To find out he was suffering and likely took his own life is heartbreaking. As they say…please be kind because you never know what someone is going through.
Peace and bright blessings to you all.☮️
I'm just glad to hear there are still people that have never heard of this before now. It's a well loved topic on the platform, to put it mildly. I'm also surprised Kyle hasn't covered it yet. Probably hasn't till now because it's been covered alot. Am glad he did tho, cause it's in his wheelhouse for sure
Please use common sense he didn’t kill himself he literally left his gun in his vehicle no one is going to choose starvation and heat exhaustion as a way to die 🤦🏻♂️
Thank you Kyle for sharing Kenny's story. Bottom line is, a fellow human being lost his life. Rather then passing judgement, theorizing, pointing fingers, etc perhaps we would all benefit by reaching out to others. Kindness and compassion goes a long way, as well as a smile and simply asking a stranger "How are you? How's your day?" May Kenny RIP and may his family/friends find peace also.
Karen you are absolutely right. I have had up and downs in my life like everyone else. But when I start to feel sorry for myself, I always remember that someone has it worse than I do. We live in a harsh and unforgiving world. It takes more to frown than it does to smile. So that being said I am always smiling. 😀
Most Everest victims will get no sympathy from me...
Especially the Arsenteievs.
@@LathropLdST Did you perhaps mean this for a different video?
Karen you won't find much kindness or compassion in this world these days. I have found many people are mean and cruel. Maybe these kinds of people mostly live in my area but there are a lot of them.
@@pioneercynthia1 no, this was for the "kindness and compassion goes a long way" in the comments.
Some "victims" do not deserve either, they just bring their end on their own accord, even leaving a broken family unit behind.
I remember hearing about him trying to find that M cave again... initially I thought maybe he was setting up an ARG or found footage style horror situation. When he released his video saying he couldn't find it I couldn't believe the needless vitriol in the comments. This is the first time I've heard the conclusion to this story. I'm very saddened to hear that he likely lost the battle against his mental health struggles, and hope if he's still out there in some way (alive or dead) that he finds peace.
Thanks for remembering this person,his story and loved ones in a positive way.Good luck with your live show.
Regardless of how or why it happened, it is still tragic. RIP Kenny.
This was an terrific video and Red Rock Search and Rescue appreciates the give back that took place at your request. Thank you.
I will never forget, the time I spent at night in the Nevada desert. The sky was nothing like I've seen before or since.
Bullying is still bullying, no matter one' s age, regardless of the platform. RIP Kenny. God bless and keep Sharon and Kenny's family in a your Arms, in Jesus' Name, amen.
was he bullied?
No one is responsible for their own actions anymore, according ti some @ursodermatt8809
@ursodermatt8809 if you weren't being sarcastic, they're referring to the people poking at him to find the M cave
@@JK-gm6kk
yeah ok,
he certainly knows how to get large responses.
Yep, he did become famous too late to turn his life around.
Sometimes I think I preferred life before the internet, because I had no idea just how many cruel people there are out there. Poor guy didnt owe any of them any proof of anything. His videos werent required watching, yet so many horrible comments and im sure that was hurtful to him.
Amen!
I lived most of my life before internet and it was better not knowing how many sick f's are out there🫤
It's because they're not face to face with the person. IRL 99% of the people making these comments would never say what they said to his face. That's why I never take comments seriously.
@@GrumpyIan I completely agree with you.
@@GrumpyIan
Some people need others approval, or at least some kind of acknowledgement more than others.
Love your channel, Kyle. You are always so kind
sensitive in your presentations. RIP Kenny.
Rest in Peace Kenny.
Seems possible the social media criticism (justified or not) maybe took away the enjoyment of the one of the few things this guy felt he had left. Sad story and he sounds like a good dude given his girlfriend’s response. What a shame, whatever happened I hope he has finally found peace.
This story has always been a rough one. So sad. People can be so awful on the internet, but there can be so much kindness as well. Thanks, Kyle, for sharing Kenny's story. See you in December.
Rest in peace, Kenny.
Thank you for treating this case with your usual respect, Kyle.
Sheryon has a very strong heart full of much love despite her grief. May she find some solace.
My dad is on a search and rescue team. They use horses. He found the lady alive. She was in her 90's, in the middle of East Texas woods sitting under a tree singing to herself. She ended up getting a horse ride. He was in his 60s when he did this.
What lady?
What?
That is truly amazing. Her singing might have attracted the help she needed. Sounds like one capable and joyful young lady in her nineties, the rescuer was young enough to be her son. Awesome, thank you for sharing. 😊❤
A women in her 90's was in the middle of the Texas woods under a tree singing to herself ??. People in their 90's can't walk a hundred yards, so how did she get there ?....more context in needed.
@@dazuk1969
My dad is over ninty and can still walk around fine, just a little slower.
I love it when Kyle says "mind you" 😂. Makes me laugh every time. He sounds a bit Welsh when he says it. Wales, UK, where i live. Everyone says it around here. Iv never heard an American say it. Mind you, iv never been to America. 😁
My mother used to say it. She's been gone these 24 years now, mind.
@retriever19golden55 🙂👍♥️🙏
God bless the Welsh, I’ve never been there, mind you ❤️
@JenaEmerald Lol. Hello 👋 😁
@JenaEmerald Your always welcome here 🙂👍
Poor Kenny, and his friends and family. No matter what happened to him, it's very sad that he was alone in that desert, and possibly struggling with some very difficult emotions when his time came. I actually hope against hope that he didn't fall down a mineshaft. I've seen enough horror stories about that to know it's likely a dreadful way to go. The few survivors of long falls down deep mineshafts tell some very harrowing stories of their injuries, and the pain they suffered, and it's a fate I wouldn't wish on someone. I hope, fervently, that his passing was more peaceful than that, and in a manner of his choosing.
Why would a top secret military base have a secret entrance that any rando could stumble upon? It wouldn't.
Exactly
Robin Williams had a disease known as Lewey-Body dementia. My mother passed from the same disease. They hear voices, and see people that arnt there. This madness leads them to take their own lives. It’s devastating
My friend 's older sister (70's) is suffering from this. She never had children or married (or even dated much, AFAIK). Now she has long conversations with her "friend" and her "little boy", even keeps children's clothes hidden away. It's heartbreaking.
Seems a lot of people want some supernatural explanation to this, when in reality, its just a very sad tale about a guy fighting a losing battle with his inner demons.
I think a lot of us have been there, and many still are.
Rest in peace, Kenny.
Not with inner demons, but with the demons in YT comments
People care way too much what strangers on the Internet think.
Exactly. Better to just get off social media if you are very sensitive.
Omg YES and in general..shame, as most people seem to be morons. I find not caring what others think about me very liberating. I would have wished that for Kenny. Social media can be a curse
Ive gotten to the point of idgaf what others think or feel. Its my life not theirs @claudiafahey1353
My heart goes out to Kenny, his family and loved ones ❤
I already know the story but if Kyle is covering it ill watch it again.
As someone who struggles with depression, this hits home. I hope he found peace amd everyone involved can be ok...theres always someone willing to listen and tell ur story
I'm a land navigation specialist. As I travel I use landmarks to navigate primarily. I have seen wonders people never get to see. I went hunting many years ago and didn't bring a flashlight or compass, left them in my truck and as night came I knew I made a poor choice. The trail had been washed out from a storm a few days before but I had been there several times in the past and didn't think twice about going. I headed back under starlight and heading the way I came I somehow got turned around and lost my location. I wasn't worried yet because I found some old logging road and thought it was a different road that I needed and had to go up and decided to not use logic because I knew everything and climbed the side of the hill up hoping to find the correct road to walk back to truck and when I got halfway up hill the trail behind me gave way and I lost my way back to road without rope. I climbed till I got to a flat spot and rested. I knew there was an old abandoned rock pit nearby that had a cliff that would guarantee a quick death so I yelled a few times and found that the cliff was very close and decided to stay put for the night instead of risking death, I took out my emergency blanket and curled up for the night. It was uncomfortable to sleep but the animals at night made it the best night I ever had. Had several deer stop by and visit and a large bull elk close enough to touch if I reached out. I understand that elk can be dangerous but I have been face to face with them many times. I have an alarm system on my truck and tried it many times with no luck also. I got up as the sun came over a ridge and went to stretch out and urinate and tried my button for the alarm and it went off less than 100 feet away and even had a trail leading down to it. It is a fact that I could have followed the dirt road out to the main road and then I could have found the road I drove in on from there and would have made it home safely not too late. I have set a night land navigation record at base nearby a few years later that is still not even close to being beaten that I did with a flashlight, compass, and map along with a Medic and a Mechanic soldier with no real land navigation skills. I am a trained Twisted Fister... 13F
Cool story, bro.
This is sad…bullies, aggressive taunting, what is wrong with people..RIP Kenny
Tell that to our newest president. Smh
This is such a sad story. He was so young still, and he had a beautiful smile and beautiful spirit. I think Sheryon’s take on what happened is extremely plausible. Depression is a terrible disease, and it is a shame Kenny didn’t get help for it. I offer her, and any others who knew and loved Kenny, my deepest condolences. R.I.P., Kenny.
Kenny did say that if he should ever disappear, no one should look for him. He didn't want to be found.
Sounds like that, from what you mentioned.
This is an incredibly interesting mystery. I wish Kenny could have made it out to tell us what he found. A lot of things could have happened to him. High on the list is just having a bad mishap in the backcountry. It's happened to many others.
why? its suicide. its common.
I never get tired of watching the Kenny Veach M-Cave story… Of all the missing hiker cases, this is the one I truly wish would be solved. I think a lot of people feel the same!!! what really happened to Kenny??? It just doesn’t seem likely that he took his own life.. there has to be more to the story
I’ve heard his story many times and will always listen to it. This one hits home for me for many reasons. Rip Kenny.
Thanks for covering this, Kyle.
Until he’s found, keeping the story going is very important. And you’re great at covering stories. 💯
Incredibly true ❤
ThIs story is not recent
@@metalmellie4371 never said it was.
I was subscribed to Kenny when he was still uploading…..
Please read the comment again, blessings.
Imagine the lost GoPros were gonna start finding in the next decade; in hard to reach forest, caves, cravasses. Peoples last moments caught, and preserved.... It's haunting
This is another example of online bullying to a man who was already broken. Kenny's possible outlet that kept him at peace was taken from him and it's a shame he allowed heartless people to take it away from him. What I know in life and meeting people who battle depression, suicidal thoughts or even severe pain is, they tend to mask it and put on a show. I truly hope to those who do go through a dark time, seek help and comfort from those around you. If you seek help with those who've gone through or is going through the same path, it may help to understand you're not alone. I wish Kenny took Sheryon's offer to seek help and not take on the beast alone. I'll pray for Sheryon's recovery as I can't imagine the pain of losing a love one to something so tragic.
For those of us that suffer, and have mental struggles. Nature seems to be the only escape. It's a shame we hang on, lets celebrate his choice. At least his close ones understood his challenge and he went to where he felt best. My heart goes out to the ones still hurting from their losses. This bag of flesh we pilot is not the beginning or end, just an experience. To the rest of us broken minds, hang in their the shows getting good! Mad max days ahead!
I love this comment. Thank you for saying it. Also, i love mad max so im stoked for those days 😂
I've heard Kenny's story before, but the detail that the comments of that video are now filled with love and memorials really hit me hard. Especially as someone who has also struggled with those kind of thoughts. You are loved and would be missed, more than you know.
Probably dropped down a shaft that S&R deemed to unsafe to descend into. End of story. Never enter caves or mines alone.
From what I've seen of this story he may have chosen to make his exit early
What I find to be odd is that no one else, like the search & rescue teams, found the mysterious “M Cave.” Thank you, as always, for another very entertaining video, Kyle. 🙂✌🏻👍🏼
I just heard about this story this morning on another channel. So happy you’re covering it.
I think it's actually Snake 'bit,' not bite - Snakebitmgee. Pretty sure you only said the name once, but in any event, the whole story was enlightening, and I was curious if he ever found it, and once I heard he was missing, I just checked in once in a while to see if there was anything new, didn't actually dive into the comments, tho, so thank you for sharing what his girlfriend had put in there or I'd probably never have known about his father or his own struggles! Bless her heart for taking the time to let people know. If that is what happened, he did it on his own terms, maybe had a special place all picked out that he didn't even share with her for that reason, and is in his happy place now - that beautiful desert he so loved!! RIP, Kenny Veach😞
If he did find "The M Cave," as far as I can tell, after a lot of research, there's 3 possible caves.
Pay attention to the 3 theories mentioned in this extremely well done video on his case very closely please.
Poor Kenny. He suffered so from depression in his everyday life too. 🌹
To Sheryon-
I'm sorry you have been forced to endure this loss. I don't know what the Law of Allowance is, but it sounds like a comfortable, flexible place for someone with depression to land. I'm glad Kenny had that in you. I imagine it was a break in his day-to-day battle that he appreciated. It's very altruistic of you to express your thoughts to a bunch of insensitive interlopers for their peace of mind.
I spend a lot of time in the wilderness. It is my sanctuary, my holy place. I go out with only a knife and a stick, sometimes a bottle of water. I spend hours out there, keeping to my silence, as many others have before me. I often hike for miles, or simply sit and watch. I have had my fair share of strange experiences. Things I will never share because I utterly respect the forest. I.have been to many, many countries and bush camped in Africa, Indonesia, Central America, SE Asia, Europe, wherever. I know the wild. Actuality I do not. What I do know that nature is not ours and never will be. The moment we become complacent can be our last. If I die in the wilderness I do not care, the forest is the only solace I have and it is utterly beautiful. It is exactly where I choose to be. I hope Kenny went somewhere beautiful beyond conception. He was a remarkable fellow and deserves no criticism for living life exactly as he wished. RIP Kenny. ❤
I went missing once......still waiting for someone to notice!
That's funny!
Kenny was pictured in front of the M cave. I've seen it on another video. But it had been blocked up. Another RUclipsr found it, too, and the Area 51 sign was back in place. He, too, after a couple of minutes, felt ill and felt the vibrations through his body and was violently sick for quite some time until he got away from the area. I'm sure it was on a Decoding the Unknown by Simon Whistler. They theorised that the body resonates at a certain wavelength and that a weapon utilising the 5-16hz range to cause pain and nausea. I'm not saying that was how Kwnny died, I'm saying that both RUclipsrs experienced the same thing with known tech being available. As for Kenny, sadly, I think he took his own life. BTW, I've not made any of the above up. It can be found on RUclips, but if you try to put links in videos, they are removed. Check out Simon Whistler Decoding the Unknown for further information. I'm sure Kyle won't mind me doing this, not to advertise DTU but to give those interested further information. RIP Kenny. And thanks, Kyle, for keeping the memory of Kenny alive.
It was covered by The Why Files, too. Along with hundreds of others.
I also saw the video where the guy found the cave
Before you even got to that part my first thought, especially when he phone was left somewhere was this was a suicide, and he thought it would be better for everyone if he disappeared instead.
I swear every year we come back to this mistery with some new crumb of clue
Mystery*
Ha! As soon as I saw this comment before the video started up, I knew which story it was. Looking forward to this version and any new updates.
I know right! I swear I feel like Kyle has already made a video about the whole Kenny Veech mystery before tho? 🤔🤨🧐
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I’m going with the sad assumption that he did take his own life. He could’ve taken an overdose of pills and died in his bed at home. He could have sat in his car with the garage door down in the car running, however what he did was to choose a place that was that was so very close to his heart. And remember when he told his girlfriend, I will do it and no one will ever find me. What better place in vast desert or perhaps one of those caves or the cave? I’m so sorry he felt like he had to take his own life.
I am 48 now. I spent my summers with my grandparents and uncle and other family on the NW side of the Las Vegas valley near Lone Mountain. This was all way before things really became developed. Most of it was still rugged desert. I have been all over those mountains as a kid. My family always knew where I was going and when I would be back. We had a good system. Yes I was young... around 7 or 8 when I really had a lot of freedom to explore but I had earned a great deal of trust. Things were different then. I never ever crossed over the mountains to any neighboring valleys and the only time I would sort of be harder to find was if I decided to go around behind lone mountain... and when I did... they knew. (there was a terribly washed out sorta dirt road that went behind it then) I built multiple "forts" with scrap ya find here and there and even would stash water for later use in the next day or 2 if I decided to head back home early. There were some paved and dirt roads... but very little homes and development. My bike was my freedom and distances even to friends houses were often in miles. My mother moved there to take care of my grandfather after grandma passed so I spent 6th grade there the full year. It was the year Bush Sr. won the election. By then that place had lost its magic for me. I miss those summers with my grandmother. I miss those days out alone in the desert. Talkin to God. I didnt understand it then but in the way we do as Christians through the Holy Spirit... in Prayer. I sorta learned to think in Prayer. I still do to this day. Life is hard... it can be lonely... it can be brutal. My relationship with Jesus Christ is what carries me through it. I encourage everyone to seek that relationship out. Just ask... He will reveal Himself to you. I Pray that Kenny found his Peace and that his loved ones find theirs too. ML and Blessings to you all! Jesus Christ is the Way/Truth/Life!
There’s a decent horror movie/mockumentary about Kenny called Horror in the High Desert. I saw the movie first and then learned the story about Kenny Veach!
I saw that movie too. It was pretty scary.
I actually found out about Kenny after watching the movie
@@cmmosher8035 Is it that movie where a guy finds a place under the ground and after that he got home and has bad hallucinations, and later he and his friend went down together , they wanna close the entrance or something, but it went wrong?
Sorry , english is not my native language!
Wowwww, I watched the original documentary a few years ago, I didn't know the part about him possibly committing suicide....so sad....God be with you Kenny and Sharyon...thanks for updating this story!!
This was a really intriguing story, Kyle! 1 thing that I wish you mentioned is whether or not he brought his gun with him as if he was going to commit suicide that would certainly be the quickest way to do it!
I’ve been obsessed with this case for years!
why?
@ Did you watch the video? What kind of question is that? lol
Sad story. If Kenny really didn't take his camera with him, the theory of ending his life in the mineshaft is very plausible.:(
The mine is at the head of Joe May Canyon, known as Wildhorse Pass at the south end of the Sheep Range, on the Desert National Wildlife Range (refuge) northwest of Las Vegas. Even if he went beyond the mine, he was still 50 miles from Area 51. There's not a mystical power out there. There are hundreds or thousands of karst caves in the limestone mountains in Nevada. Also, it's very easy to disappear in many mountain ranges around here.
It was a tragic accident or suicide. It's not a grand conspiracy, it's just a sad ending.
Robin Williams had an illness he didn't want to experience. It can be that Kenny did suffer like his father did, and committed suicide....so sad. He seemed like he had such a beautiful personality and was a good soul.
"Oh my God! They killed Kenny!"
Some people don't want found. Happens sometimes. Proponent of personal liberty I can only respect that as personal liberation.
Free from grammar and composition too, I see.
@@LathropLdST Lol. Admittedly, in an informal forum, I'll often forego attention to grammar and composition in favor of my provincial dialect.
It’s so dangerous hiking there that at first I assumed he could more easily end up in trouble there but UHG. So sad.
I grew up in the southwest and moved to the northeast but every time I head that way I always buy a case of water to keep in the car….
I love this Channel!! Keep up the good work!!
I've stopped hiking anywhere north of here since I saw the article about the hikers that found Julian Sands...I too would start out hoping to not find a dead body. Then they did. Didn't want to press my luck. ( I'm not as mentally or emotionally strong enough to handle that. I know my limits.)
I want to say again, PLEASE seek out help if you are depressed! You don't have to go the standard route of Dr's and pills. There are many of us holistic healers out here that could help. You are worth it! ❤❤❤ And yes, very grateful to all the search and rescue ppl ! They are awesome! ❤
I took life as my punishment. I have accepted there is no escape, not even death. You just get recycled on reincarnation. This is just an eternal lifetime of suffering.
if no one has mentioned it, i’d like to point out that this case inspired part of the horror movie ‘horror in the high desert’. 10/10 recommend!
Dude…I wish he would have started his own business…start some sorta adventure hiking experience where he shows people the desert…or maybe write a book about it…but it’s hard to think about anything really when you’re depressed ❤
Can’t believe I caught Kyle’s new video twelve seconds after launch!!🤣. That’s two weeks in a row!!
What a thrill🤗🤩🥳
Cindy, you may want to consider stepping outside and touching grass.
@ oh Serialkiller you’re hilarious!!
Thinking that you know about a random RUclipsr’s life!!!!
Thanks for the laughs!!🤣🤣
I really admire the fact that Kenny was willing to put himself out there- on the internet and starting his own business. I wish things could have gone differently for him,
and those that loved him.
Im in tears 😢 It's so sad. Regarding depression...I don't know what was running through Kenny's mind at that time but I do understand what depression is I suffer from it too! I take medicine for it however with depression, finding the right medication that works for you could take months. That's what happened to me just recently. The other medicine I was on wasn't working anymore. It was hell feeling like I did every single day, month after month. Cuz when you try different medicine it takes anywhere from 2 weeks or up to a month for you to feel if its working or not. If its not ya try a different med and wait another 2 to 4 weeks. My whole point is I understand depression. And if he wasn't taking any medication for it, I can only imagine what he musta been going through up in his head. One thing Kenny had, that I didn't, is thoughts of suicide. Thats one of a few reasons for my depression, and that's the fear of death, or more so the uncertainty of an afterlife. I cant fathom the thought of not existing anymore. Or I won't see my kids again when its their time. I can't handle the thought of any of it. My heart hurts for him.
I don't believe suicide is the answer, but having depression and not being on any medication for it omg the mental struggles he musta had every single day, I guess I do see how someone would want to escape their life of misery for good.
I remember he had said when he does go back to look for the M cave that he's bringing his sidearm. Well, Kennys favorite thing to do was to go hiking. He might of desided to not look for the M cave, thinking he doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. He just hiked where he wanted, probably enjoyed a beautiful sunset or 2, and he slept under the stars and yeah. The end sad as it may be, if this is what happened, its exactly how he wanted to exit planet earth........ Rest in peace Kenny wherever you may be. ❤
Why can't they send a camera down the shaft?
RIP Kenny wherever you maybe…
There is another RUclipsr who trekked or thought he did, Kenny’s trail to this cave. He found what he believed to be stacked stones deliberately put to hide the entrance to a cave that had the outline of a M and why Kenny couldn’t find it. Dude got sick and threw up on his video. He didn’t know if it was heat exhaustion or something along what Kenny experienced with the vibrations.
Is that on RUclips to find? I would like to see it.
It is on YT but I don’t remember the channel.
i'm assuming that what his GF expects happened, is actuallyy what happened, but...
just throwing this out there cuz i never really saw anyone talk about it, but there's always the stalker possibility.
when i was streaming i ended up getting 3 stalkers, 2 were pretty much harmless, but 1 definitely wasn't, and it's a big part of why i stopped streaming on Twitch a few years ago. i only had like 7k followers, and pretty much every one of the interactions i had while streaming were good ones. but i still got 1 insane person popping up everywhere, my house broken into multiple times, and they even tried to pry the door of my suv open.
if someone who has had the vast majority of their comments and conversations be positive can have to deal with that kind of crazy, then imagine what could happen to someone if an extra crazy conspiracy nut thinks they are lying to them, or keeping the truth from getting out.
When he comments that the cave gave him the chills, I think he sensed a mountain lion or possibly some spirits. I don't really believe in the supernatural per se, but I have lived long enough to know there are some things that just can't be explained away with rational science. Premonitions for example. I know many people who have had premonitions that came true.
RUclips haters have killed a number of content creators. One that comes to mind was a young woman who threw herself under a train. Imagine doing something that you have such passion for, sharing it honestly, and getting such a disgusting result. You really have to be built properly to expose yourself to this evil without suffering damage. I hope there is a place in hell for these people honestly.
If someone wants cotton candy content then stay safely on tv. If on the internet probably better to call out the bots and contrived discord. A place where speech is allowed is likely to be managed for reasons to ensure basic divisions. It is unfortunate that he had questionable comment reactions but also someone’s page has a certain background which could have led to that initially. Usually people are fairly nice.
@@good1day726 I respect what you said. Consider this. What if you had to walk across a pasture to get to work that is full of friendly cows, except for 2 or 3 aggressive bulls? Most of them are fairly nice, but regardless, you are going to get injured every time you enter that pasture. More over, the other nice cows are just going to keep chewing their grass and watch it all. None of them will intervene to push back the bulls. This is just how cows are. This is the reality that every content creator has to deal with. Some handle it better than others, but those with struggles are far more vulnerable.
@@Dav-S5658 Thank you for your reply. I do understand the concept of bad apples and such. Do you propose censorship? No commenting? Again, the place to be is msm for this protection. To complain on here and ask for protection without first understanding the breadth of the problem and real reason for it, not sure how it is helpful. There is usually a reason for bad apples. They are posted looking for controversial subject matter and they will be the ones arguing in the comment section. These are paid shills. Already mentioned bots. Creators block problematic users regularly.
Lots of content creators out there. They have mundane comments. Not seeing a lot of controversy out there which isn’t able to be traced to a reason. This place is highly censored as opposed to just a few years ago.
@@Dav-S5658 Thank you for your reply. I understand the concept of bad apples and such. What is the proposed solution being asked for? No comments? Censorship? The place for that protection is msm. YT is highly censored as compared to just a few years ago. It is nearly milquetoast. Looking at comment sections all the time, they are mundane. Aggressive dissenters are usually payed to be there based on subject matter. (deliberate misspelling due to comment already being dropped a few minutes ago). Creators can block usernames and do.
@@Dav-S5658 Thank you for your reply. I understand the concept of bad apples and such. What is the proposed solution being asked for? No comments? Censor ship? The place for that protection is msm. YT is highly censured as compared to just a few years ago. It is nearly milquetoast. Looking at comment sections all the time, they are mundane. Aggressive dissenters are usually payed to be there based on subject matter. (deliberate misspellings due to comment already being dropped 2x).
Creators can block usernames and do. Sounds like the sentiment being echoed in the original comment is the talking point of ‘social media bad’ (root of all evil etc) promoted and parroted everywhere.
we wouldn’t be able to enjoy these trials etc without others who went “off trial” to discover what we enjoy today. so the judgement of others who go off trail ..is just GROSSSSSS
I am so sorry for his passing
As a young woman I loved the outdoors and a couple of times I got into a jam climbing that scared me but it worked out. Looking back, a couple close calls. I loved to be alone outdoors too. God bless this poor guy. He must have been having fun and I pray he went peacefully.
John Allen, aka Mr. Ballen covered the story and with his experience as a former Navy seal, I tend to agree with him that if this cave was near area 51 it is possible that the military has implemented non-lethal deterrence to keep people away. Either way, I am sorry about Kenny, and hope that someday his remains will be found to bring peace to his family.
Some people are truly horrible. “Go back & show us the damn cave!” “Liar!” WTH is wrong with people?
because, when it comes to social media, people only care about what they have to say. they always feels a sense of entitlement. so many people think what they have to say is the end all, be all. now imagine that, on a scale of THOUSANDS...
when you go and make statements, it is reasonable for somebody to ask for proof.
@@brittclay31497 True
@@ursodermatt8809exactly
@@ursodermatt8809someone shared an experience. You do not have a right to demand proof ,
Kenny speaks truth in that comment. I wont tell hou what my job is but I talk to people all day, veterans mostly. This one old guy (thus was about 15 years ago) and he was old then (60s). He was going on and on about work he did in the Air Force. He described caves systems. I thiyght he was just a one off story but I have had 2 other guys his age, also AF different conversations describe the SAME location simliar stories. This is in a similar area. I hear crazy stuff about AZ, CA, CO,Nev, etc. I have no reason to think anyone is making anything up as it is recall. Go make friends veterans and listen to their stories. They go where no one else goes. If I hadn't been in the Army for 5 years and just sat inside playing video games, I would not have believed him. I have also heard of pilots (again, older) describe things. Stress doing work that is us unusual comes out at some point.
It sounds interesting so far. Can you tell more?
So what were the naysayers saying? That he faked finding a cave in a place that's known to be completely riddled with caves?
Right? I don’t see what’s so hard to believe about a guy finding a cave and getting a bad vibe from it and being scared away. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
I really don't know why people were not believing him about it. I'd believe that he found a strange cave and that something about it scared him into leaving.
If you know kind-hearted people with a social media presence, make sure that comments aren't getting to them. People are so unbelievably cruel.
Hi Kyle, from rutland vt here. You're a phenomenal story teller!🎉😊
Algorithm, do your job!
Spread these videos and save a life!
❤
Thanks for the video. I remember seeing his video and others videos about the Mcave. I never realized he disappeared. May he RIP.
If it was an accident he would still have his phone on him. Last thing he would do would be abandon his phone.. but looks like we’re no closer than we were the last 2 years
I just recently discovered your channel, I am hooked on the stories, you do a great job 👍
Welcome to the internet, where people only seem to care when it is FAR too late for the person in need to hear it. -_-
You have to understand that Kenny quit his job and built this home thinking he would invent some item that would make him very wealthy. His manic depressive cycles become quite clear in his videos. The desperation in his last few videos regarding his home are soo sad.
Did the search and rescue rope down that shaft?
Poor Kenny...no matter what happened. So very sad
😢 YES give to those wonderful search volunteers!