@@Dendyaryadi Due to the design of their floor they could run it lower without much bouncing issues, they could even raise it quite a bit and still retain a lot of ground effect unlike the others
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 I think Silverstone and especially Mugello were the best examples of what the W11 was capable in tight, high speed corners. Mugello was simply mind-blowing how he could take such tight corners flat out.
@@alexjohnward How is that a shame? F-duct does nothing for cornering performance, if anything, it slightly hurts rear wing downforce due to the small obstruction that the tunnel running to the wing creates... The RB6 of 2010 was dominant enough as it was, it was only due to continuous mishaps from the team that the championship was close that year...
@@alexjohnward Yeah, nah, it doesn't work like that... Most tracks were "downforce at all cost" with those wing box sizes back then anyway... Nice urban legend though...
@@bosshunterman yeah obviously, thats why all the setups were the same for every track right ? They always put max downforce no matter what, who would be stupid enough to think they care about top speed lmao
seeing how smooth that 2022 RB was really made me have a new level of respect for Adrian Newey, it rides so smooth whilst the other cars are porpoising wildy.
porpoising is pretty much gone now with the new floors and the teams understanding the cars better. almost all bouncing you see now is caused by the insanely stiff suspensions.
how brilliant Adrian Newey is...everyone had problems with porpoising , except his cars ...he quickly figured out how to solve such a problem, a real genius of aerodynamics.
2020 would’ve seen the W11 carry insane amount of speed through there. It’s a shame that the fastest F1 car of all time only ran through 15 tracks (configurations) in the season.
Yeah Lewis could have had another 6 wins to his name if not for covid 😂 although I guess Mercedes were lucky the ground effect regs were delayed by a year, as they got an extra year (although pegged back by the floor change for 21) out of a winning package.
Actually... Make it 14... Because in Abu Dhabi the W11 was equipped with parts for the 2021 car next season as a test bench... Making the car overall slower, significantly slower. In all the track configurations, where it was dry, it was the fastest on all of them aside from Spain where Bottas came up with a lap in 2019 that still boggles my mind how much faster was he than any other driver that day, like a 7 tenth difference to Hamilton lol and faster than the W11 in the hands of both. Either some wild temperature or wind differences or the Merc drivers in 2020 simply didn't put their best lap. Because there's no reason for the W11 to not destroy any car on a circuit that has any kind of corners like Barcelona.
So, RB7 (2011) was faster than the W08 (2017) despite the latest being from a generation of cars designed to be the fastest ever in cornering??? Man, that Red Bulk was mad... BTW, 2020 cars would've been close if not over 270, mind boggling to say the least.
HAM was really poor through there on his pole lap, I know for a fact that VET had a higher minimum speed in Q3, so did RAI and BOT probably, the best min. speed was around 250km/h in 2017.
Sure the newer cars are faster through the corners and laptimes as a whole but they don’t convey that same limit of being on the edge that 2010 and 2011 did for example. I remember watching those qualifying sessions and Vettel with both the RB6 and RB7 being on the limit and at one with the car and I was speechless. The cars were more agile and responsive it was a joy to behold and I’m hoping the cars get much lighter in the new regulations for 2026.
Good luck with lighter cars with the addition of more batteries And batteries have a lower energy capacity than a fuel tank so the reduction in fuel will be more than countered with the *tripling* of batteries
Well there’s been some word around the paddock about making the cars lighter, I doubt it too with the emphasis on the hybrid power trains we use nowadays and the size of the cars themselves but it would be good to return to a lighter, more agile formula.
Time to go porpoising. The difference to max not porpoising is quite insane. red bull had it under control from the very beginning onwards. that's one of the reasons the car turned out to be dominant
The maximum speed of my car is around 230 or something, and it's scary to drive in a straight line. These guys go through 2 corners at a higher speed like it's nothing.
A question about the telemetry: why does brake bar only shows on or off, but no brake pressure or brake pedal apply depth? It’ll be great if we can see the drivers are slamming the brake or just a light touch or something 為何煞車永遠只有0或1而不能像油門開度那樣顯示煞車力道？如果能看到車手在過彎時的煞車微操應該會很不錯
The FIA/FOM show that a car is applying brake pressure, but since all drivers and teams tune different pressures/weight and pedal travel/depth you cannot give a meaningful gradient of braking (as a viewer that would give false info). Then there is also weight progression under load, where the pedal becomes stiffer when braking hard etc. TLDR; you'd be confusing the viewers by making them think the slider would be similar for all cars, which it isn't.
Incredible how much downforce an F1 car generates. That 2018 onboard of Hamilton suddenly steering the wheel is just awesome to see. Do it in a regular sports car you either have a huge understeer or you are pointing the other direction.
@@yelistener no, unfortunately the telemetry was taken from f1-tempo, the red bull rb14 was absurdly fast in the corners, 229 km/h in turn 14 and 262 km/h in turn 11-12, the rb14 chassis was excellent
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You can see how mad the porpoising was last year. Insane.
In the red bull was very smooth 😂
Not in the RedBull
@@TheRipDealer obviously. MAFIA knew that Adrian newey has worked on ground effect cars back in 80's and 90's
Red Bull was super smooth of all the previous year cars
‘Fix your f***ing car’
Hamilton and Leclerc bouncing like crazy in 22
maybe that is why red bull have advantage look how minimal the bounce on max's camera
RB was like riding TGV while others were almost off roading in 2022
@@Dendyaryadi Due to the design of their floor they could run it lower without much bouncing issues, they could even raise it quite a bit and still retain a lot of ground effect unlike the others
@@Dendyaryadi but Leclerc won this GP with 30 sec advantage
"Lets go porpoising "
Would be interesting if w11 had a chance to do a hotlap in Australia
Potentially 265-270 apex speed?
@@davideds yup
No lifting
Would have a limit of at least 270 on that corner
Max RB19 feeling like a villains mobile. Steady and sounding gorgeous
It would be mindblowing to see W11 on this track. Especially on the new lay-out.
Considering what lewis managed at magget and becketts complex....🤌
with the 4th DRS zone leading up to it
The W11 would be savage on a lotta tracks, tbf. Horrendous luck that its season in the spotlight was 2020.
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 I think Silverstone and especially Mugello were the best examples of what the W11 was capable in tight, high speed corners. Mugello was simply mind-blowing how he could take such tight corners flat out.
The 2011 redbull was a monster for its time.
Shame the 2010 RB didn't have a F duct yet.
@@alexjohnward How is that a shame? F-duct does nothing for cornering performance, if anything, it slightly hurts rear wing downforce due to the small obstruction that the tunnel running to the wing creates...
The RB6 of 2010 was dominant enough as it was, it was only due to continuous mishaps from the team that the championship was close that year...
@@bosshunterman they could run even more downforce on the body once they had the f duct for the straights, they pulled over 6G at Turkey, W11 numbers.
@@alexjohnward Yeah, nah, it doesn't work like that... Most tracks were "downforce at all cost" with those wing box sizes back then anyway... Nice urban legend though...
@@bosshunterman yeah obviously, thats why all the setups were the same for every track right ? They always put max downforce no matter what, who would be stupid enough to think they care about top speed lmao
2:53 Porpoising in 2022 was insane
lol max said it was fine 😂😂😂😂
@@TyLee960 It didn't really affect the red bulls much if at all.
oh my god that was painful to watch
Well look at the RB. There was nothing
@@medamineelmaziane5084 and most people had that for the whole race. Imagine
I wish we saw the W11 around Albert Park. I expect nothing less than 270
Yeah it would've been insane to see it go around Albert Park
damn bottas lifting only 20% at that speed is really nuts, what a boss, vettel as well for doing the same but a decade earlier haha so good
that bottas lap is crazy fast
That car was crazy fast. Like glued
Vettel in the 2011 redbull was cracked, one of the most dangerous car combinations we've seen
THE MOST DANGEROUS CAR COMBINATION
What about his 2013 season? 9 consecutive wins, 13 wins out of 19, tied with Schumacher (notice I meant total wins, not win ratio).
Love the pfp
Those Vettel onboards were insane!
the porpoising on ham & lec 2022 is crazy
seeing how smooth that 2022 RB was really made me have a new level of respect for Adrian Newey, it rides so smooth whilst the other cars are porpoising wildy.
Vettel was supreme through that corner. Crazy that it was untouched for years.
The red bull was. He never even won there most of the years 😂😂😂😂so ‘supreme’ with only one win at that track…
@@AZBCDEE teri gaand kyun jalti hai har vettel ke comment pe?
@@AZBCDEE 3 wins
@@AZBCDEE 🤡
The 2010 RB6 had the most downforce of any car ever until the 2017regs that car was beastly
Obvs Vettel was a great driver for sure as well
Feels weird to be this early
Really does huh.
@@CeladonHairExtraordinaire yeah
The RB6 was crazy !
Man, i love your videos.
Hamilton and Leclerc jumping like a disco party. Verstappen just chilling. Good times.
The fact that Bottas could take that combination basically full throttle with just a minor lift absolutely blows my mind
this race is going to be insane. I hope the porpoising doesn't cause problems. With that curve so fast, I imagine Redbull will dominate again.
porpoising is pretty much gone now with the new floors and the teams understanding the cars better. almost all bouncing you see now is caused by the insanely stiff suspensions.
Redbull will dominate if there isn't incidents or intervening factors. The race behind will be very interesting
More curious about aston martin tho
should see plenty of overtakes in that DRS zone leading up to turns 9-10
Australia will remain as a bland GP
This just shows how much better RB understood the new regs. Not a single bit of bouncing besides the usual bumps in the road.
the confidence in your car to be able to flip the steering wheel while full throttle is absolutely insane. absolute marvels of engineering
2:54 Let's go porpoising
I always look forward to your videos,thank you my friend 🙂
Dude you are a gem, you deserve so much more hype.
Nice comparsion thank you!
Great video!! Thank toy
how brilliant Adrian Newey is...everyone had problems with porpoising , except his cars ...he quickly figured out how to solve such a problem, a real genius of aerodynamics.
Great work!
The speed differences from 2016 to 2018 tho, 2017-2021 aero is just something else
Cars designed purely for speed. The racing was horrible. Certainly dont miss them.
2018 cars were insane....if the development continued in that direction ,the w11 would have been even more faster....
@@rohanalias9053 Indeed, in terms of overall speed it's like this:
2020 > 2019 >= 2018 > 2021 > 2017
Great vídeo!!
didn't take until 2018 cars to completely beat those RB6 and RB7. Astounding.
The 2017 cars were already 1.2 seconds faster
@@rohanalias9053 i was referring to the minimum speed particularly.
@@jianh1989 yeah the car is super agile
2017 ferrari was much faster than rb6/7 trough any type of corner, it was just slow on straights (compared to merc)
Fantastic content. 🔥
2020 would’ve seen the W11 carry insane amount of speed through there. It’s a shame that the fastest F1 car of all time only ran through 15 tracks (configurations) in the season.
Yeah Lewis could have had another 6 wins to his name if not for covid 😂 although I guess Mercedes were lucky the ground effect regs were delayed by a year, as they got an extra year (although pegged back by the floor change for 21) out of a winning package.
Actually... Make it 14... Because in Abu Dhabi the W11 was equipped with parts for the 2021 car next season as a test bench... Making the car overall slower, significantly slower.
In all the track configurations, where it was dry, it was the fastest on all of them aside from Spain where Bottas came up with a lap in 2019 that still boggles my mind how much faster was he than any other driver that day, like a 7 tenth difference to Hamilton lol and faster than the W11 in the hands of both. Either some wild temperature or wind differences or the Merc drivers in 2020 simply didn't put their best lap. Because there's no reason for the W11 to not destroy any car on a circuit that has any kind of corners like Barcelona.
One of my favorite corners in f1
This channel is fantastic
2:44 I'm still impressed by how Lewis was able to nail his braking zone with all that porpoising.
Incredible
Porpoising ko’s my head just by looking at it.
2011 was just the best to watch go through there. So light and nimble
Crazy how the car bump
Albert's Park is a real test for the drivers.
Important to note: it got ever so slightly tighter in 2022 following the track overhaul
are you sure about that?
So, RB7 (2011) was faster than the W08 (2017) despite the latest being from a generation of cars designed to be the fastest ever in cornering??? Man, that Red Bulk was mad... BTW, 2020 cars would've been close if not over 270, mind boggling to say the least.
2017 car were much more heavy
HAM was really poor through there on his pole lap, I know for a fact that VET had a higher minimum speed in Q3, so did RAI and BOT probably, the best min. speed was around 250km/h in 2017.
2011 had unlimited DRS which defo helped speed approaching the corner that the 2017 cars didnt have
@@bosshunterman yeah, vettel: 248 kmh, grosjean 249 kmh.
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 that would not improve your minimum speed
Everyone just vibing in 2022 and i believe this year too
Epic Valtteri
2022 the year of the woodpecker
I never saw the telemetry for the 2016 pole lap, it's so rare
Bottas GOAT confirmed
that intro made me chuckle, dont know why
Bottas best of those 5 👏👏👏
I f love this turn
As soon as the DJ disco music goes into the helmets you know 2022 has started in the video 😂
Crazy. Bottas, the fastest mph looks like the most stable one too. Insane how quick the mercs were under the last regulations.
God damn the W10 was a beast
Bottas's engineer just saying "When in doubt,flat out.
the echo of the engines sounds otherworldly
Sure the newer cars are faster through the corners and laptimes as a whole but they don’t convey that same limit of being on the edge that 2010 and 2011 did for example.
I remember watching those qualifying sessions and Vettel with both the RB6 and RB7 being on the limit and at one with the car and I was speechless. The cars were more agile and responsive it was a joy to behold and I’m hoping the cars get much lighter in the new regulations for 2026.
"I’m hoping the cars get much lighter in the new regulations for 2026" Don't hope too much for it.
Good luck with lighter cars with the addition of more batteries
And batteries have a lower energy capacity than a fuel tank so the reduction in fuel will be more than countered with the *tripling* of batteries
Well there’s been some word around the paddock about making the cars lighter, I doubt it too with the emphasis on the hybrid power trains we use nowadays and the size of the cars themselves but it would be good to return to a lighter, more agile formula.
It’s highly unlikely
That's because of just how insanely stable the cars looked now. That Bottas lap is pretty fucking insane.
I'm impressed by the 2011 machinery
More than 2013 and more dominant??
Bottas was a beast in quali in Mercedes
2019 cars were different breed
You can see how fast that 2'11 redbull was through med-high speed corners.
Time to go porpoising. The difference to max not porpoising is quite insane. red bull had it under control from the very beginning onwards. that's one of the reasons the car turned out to be dominant
The maximum speed of my car is around 230 or something, and it's scary to drive in a straight line. These guys go through 2 corners at a higher speed like it's nothing.
Imagine the w11 on there 😮
Vettel is a monster on this track
That Bouncing...
Bro the echo 2010-2013 sound
Never got to see the mighty w11 around here😢
Guenther Steiner: "time to go porpoising"
2:41
Please repost this after qualifying this weekend. To see if the speeds have increased.
Max 2022 was just smooth operator
Imagine the W11 😢
Crazy to see 2015 and 2016 cara going fast like 2012, even with less downforce and smaller tires
And much heavier
If anyone is interested in the max apex speeds at the second turn here:
2010 - 149 mph (240 km/h) - timestamp: 0:23
2011 - 156 mph (251 km/h) - timestamp: 0:35
2012 - 143 mph (230 km/h) - timestamp: 049
2013 - Unknown - timestamp: 0:59 (damp track, but on soft tyres)
2014 - Unknown - timestamp: 1:09 (fully wet track, on wet tyres)
2015 - 146 mph (235 km/h) - timestamp: 1:20
2016 - 149 mph (239 km/h) - timestamp: 1:33
2017 - 150 mph (242 km/h) - timestamp: 1:45
2018 - 163 mph (262 km/h) - timestamp: 1:58
2019 - 164 mph (264 km/h) - timestamp: 2:11 - Vettel P3
2019 - 165 mph (265 km/h) - timestamp: 2:23 - Hamilton P1
2019 - 164 mph (264 km/h) - timestamp: 2:35 - Bottas P2
2022 - 151 mph (243 km/h) - timestamp: 2:49 - Hamilton P5
2022 - 155 mph (249 km/h) - timestamp: 3:03 - Leclerc P1
2022 - 156 mph (252 km/h) - timestamp: 3:16 - Verstappen P2
Impossible to flat out, almost!
The W10 goes almost flat out, imagine the W11 there
2011 RedBull was a monster
Imagine the w11😨
A question about the telemetry: why does brake bar only shows on or off, but no brake pressure or brake pedal apply depth? It’ll be great if we can see the drivers are slamming the brake or just a light touch or something
為何煞車永遠只有0或1而不能像油門開度那樣顯示煞車力道？如果能看到車手在過彎時的煞車微操應該會很不錯
maybe it's to stop other teams from being able to analyse other drivers/cars on the grid too much?
The FIA/FOM show that a car is applying brake pressure, but since all drivers and teams tune different pressures/weight and pedal travel/depth you cannot give a meaningful gradient of braking (as a viewer that would give false info). Then there is also weight progression under load, where the pedal becomes stiffer when braking hard etc.
TLDR; you'd be confusing the viewers by making them think the slider would be similar for all cars, which it isn't.
@@harritaylor7044 LOL. You must be new to racing.
@@bowlchamps37 Then maybe, perhaps, you can educate?
@@thelazylama3242 makes sense. Thanks for the explanation!
2020 cars 😳
Imagine the W11 through there. 270?
2022 before porposing issue was raised.the merc was bouncing hard at 295km so violently and the rb was calm at 305km.
2019 Bottas playing with physics
2022 Time to go porpoising
W11- “corner? What corner?”
Such a shame we couldn't see it although it can be tried on sims like assetto corsa
This corner is really neutered by the kerb position/angle… Imagine if it was a 7th/8th gear, flat-out, left/right flick… That would be a mesmerizing!!
Incredible how much downforce an F1 car generates. That 2018 onboard of Hamilton suddenly steering the wheel is just awesome to see. Do it in a regular sports car you either have a huge understeer or you are pointing the other direction.
It's a shame we never get to see the rail train W11 on this corner. That will probably beat the record.
W11 would have done from T4 to 13 completely flat out probably.... (with the new layout)
2022 shows the difference between rb and ferrari, merc cars. that was on rails wow
2022 Red Bull was on rails. Thats what you get when you combine talent, genius and a literal phd in ground effect
I imagine how fast would be a F1 car in 2020 in this curve.
Bottas little lift then right back to full power all the way through just makes me laugh 😂
Holy shit, the porpoising in 2022 was so bad, I can't imagine what Leclerc and Hamilton must've felt bumping around in those cars doing over 300.
The porpoising in the 2022 Ferrari- that cockpit is a flying torture chamber 😖
They're surely going to reach somewhere between the 2018-19 speeds this year without porpoising.
@yelistener 2018 Q3 - Red Bull RB14 - 262 km\h
Do you have the video?
@@yelistener no, unfortunately the telemetry was taken from f1-tempo, the red bull rb14 was absurdly fast in the corners, 229 km/h in turn 14 and 262 km/h in turn 11-12, the rb14 chassis was excellent
That V8 engine sound is real deal i believe.
2022 proposing was mad
We miss Sebastian vettel Scooter ride😢😢😢
Bottas is the #1 #2driver
Imagine the W11 here...