Hell yeah, some spotlight for one of my favourite titles! Thank you kindly. On the Phezzan Plothole - it could have been rectified with one (alright, 1,5) additions. Planet of diplomats and traders, they say? You know what goes perfectly with those things in the case of an absence of an actual military? Right. Assasins and spies. Just make the planet a nest of the most effective, dreaded assasins guild in the galaxy, ready to send freaking legion of Space-Agents 47 on whoever even dare to dream to try to invade them. With a nice sidedish of a boatload of compromat on every leader of Alliance and Empire to flay the chains of command alive by sowing discord, Boom, done, Plus, it would actually give Reinhardt more reason to conquer the planet. As for the Unnamed Memory and how "nobody cares about it" - I took that personaly, No, really, I hoped so much that the apadtation would turn out at least okay-ish and was - still is - absolutely livid by the absolute flustercluckery we recieved at the end of the day. Way to go, Engi - making a romance anime with cutting the hell out almost every bit of romance. And they SMOMEHOW made the Worst Arc even worse! I dropped it at the beginning of the episode 5, when I saw one important scene were butchered and realized that they've reuined it.
Been wanting to talk about this anime for ages, long before starting this channel as it's such a unique anime amongst anime and you're very welcome. While I agree having a large network of spies/assassins would have helped matters for Phezzan, it honestly would've done little to stem the tide for either the alliance or empire to stomp through Phezzan to get to their greatest enemy. From what I can tell every single leader, from captain to high admiral, would want to go through the defenceless corridor to get to their enemy and it's inconceivable to assassinate every one of them. Plus once the alliance politicians, empire nobility and the general populations get wind of Phezzan's deadly plots, there would be a massive call to action against them. This idea would work a lot better if Phezzan had some impressive defences that would make either side hesitate somewhat (moreso with the fear of assasination) as it would build on the fear of going to war. Oh right, didn't realise unnamed memory had a good manga and decent following. Afraid I've never gotten into manga/light novels. Nothing against them, I've just never dived into that medium. Anyway, I was judging Unnamed Memory from the anime version which, simply put, bored the hell out of me. Funnily enough I think it was around the fifth episode where I dropped it as well. Everyone was acting like an idiot, nothing interesting happened and as you said, there wasn't any romance.
@@dottris Are you suggesting it was all a part of the Earth Cult plan? Because Rubinsky is a very high member of that and he said himself that Reinhard had outsmarted him. It also doesn't explain the empire's and alliance's decisions regarding to this undefended corridor.
@@dlfarmer7601 More like Phezzan was established 150 years ago with the help of the Earth Cult and maintained since then. We don't know about much more, but they had mans everywhere and some politicians where surely got nice money from the trade through Phezzan, so probably they where easy to convince that they should forbid any military action there. Also, the Empire had a fortress at Iserlohn so I doubt they felt the need to bring the battle to Phezzan too. Corrupt allince politicians manipulated by the Earth Cult, and Iserlohn in the hand of the Empire. I think something like that is the somewhat acceptable explanation.
@@dlfarmer7601 More like Phezzan was established 150 years ago and maintained since then by the Earth Cult. We don't know much more but they have a lot of men everywhere and I am sure that many politicians in the Allience got a lot of money from the trade through Phezzan so they where probably easy to convince that no millitary action should be done there. Also, the Empire had a giant fortress at Iserlohn before so they probably weren't so eager to bring the fight to Phezzan too.
Hello, first time leaving comments here, because of LOGH. LOGH was the author's first novel (and arguably the most popular one). It was initially going to be two volumes (until the end of the two civil wars) but was then becoming ten due to its popularity at the time. The Phezzan plot explanation by the author in the novel is that they have heavily bribed both Free Planets Alliance and the Empire's nobles to gain influence both economically and politically, and if one side would ever think of conquering Phezzan, Phezzan would immediately influence the other side to attack the former. They will also make sure that both sides will never reconcile with each other. Repeating this cycle and Phezzan (or the Earth Cult in disguise) will ultimately get the upper hand to the other two (Yeah, I know this sounds crazy, but it is what it is in the novel). As a side note, the current ongoing LOGH manga adaptation uses another approach with Phezzan, where both Free Planets Alliance and the Empire never knew the existence of the Phezzan corridor, until someone betrays and gives the coordinate of the secret location to Reinhardt's side. This could potentially become another plot hole but can well explain the never-ending wars over the "only corridor". Anyway, looking forward to your next video on the 2nd half of LOGH anime!
Understandable as there's an enormous amount to discuss about LOGH and I love these kind of discussions. Interesting that this was the author's first novel. If he originally intended to end it at the civil wars, it might somewhat explain the sudden introduction to the Kaiser kidnapping plot and Ragnorok. So a few things in response to your defence: 1) I cannot accept something like Phezzan forming as an independent nation in the first place. Both the Alliance and Empire would have considerable reasons to conquer it (or keep it under control) for being in such a uniquely strategic position and for guaranteeing their rights and simple prestige. 2) I also can't accept that Phezzan were able to influence either the alliance or empire. If they gave massive loans, gifts or bribes to the alliance just for them to leave Phezzan alone, it would have little effect. They say in the show that if the Alliance were to conquer Phezzan, all their debts from the loans would be gone. Gifts and bribes are always unstainable as the provider always has to keep paying and paying; eventually there would be a cutoff point. Either it gets revealed to the public which means outrage against Phezzan and those politicians or Phezzan stops paying and causes those politicians to disapprove of them. Not to mention there would be honest politicians (or at least politicians who would turn the population against Phezzan) who would refuse bribes. The moment a popular military leader brings up the idea of using the Phezzan corridor to protect the Phezzani people and to conquer the empire the Alliance people would rally in support and force the government to respond. As for the empire, the kaiser and all the nobility has little reason to keep their word. Thanks for the money but you're gonna be a part of the empire now. 3) The idea of if Phezzan were attacked the other side would come to help is irrelevant. Phezzan has no fleet or defences and the empire, alliance are at war anyway. What I'm trying to say if the Alliance were to attack the empire it would be no different than if the alliance were to attack the empire plus Phezzan (and vice versa). 4) Even if somehow all the above were the case, it would only cause Phezzan to be entirely isolated; it would never become an influential figure on the galaxy stage. Both the Alliance and Empire have no reason to even listen to them. One planet with little resources compared to two enormously powerful nations. I couldn't even say they would be a mediator as from the same show we're shown POWs to be exchanged without their help. What?! That attempt to fix the plothole has only compounded the issues. Essentially it has widened the plothole as it means Phezzan can't possibly get the population they say in the show, couldn’t possibly influence either the Alliance or empire, couldn’t possibly get any kind of wealth, couldn't possibly build any defences, but now both the alliance and empire have never explored any alternative route between their nations nor notice a thriving planet essentially on their doorstep. It's also a massive contrivance to say only when Reinhard took power did someone leak Phezzan's location. Anyway, I can't wait to start on the next part. Gonna be big.
So my best guess is that early on Phezzan had a large number of technologically advanced weapons, as we do see that Phezzan has some the most advanced technology in the setting, giving the FPA and that Romaboo copies of the Artemis Necklace and the Empire directable Seffle Particles. Those weapons would have discouraged invasion. Where those weapons went, why they got rid of them, and why no one exploited that is probably smaller plot hole than if Phezzan never having defenses
If Phezzan had advanced weaponry then yeah that would have discouraged invasion but I'm afraid we're never shown that at any point in the show so it can't be used as evidence. It would also have to be defences greater than the Iserlohn fortress to begin to discourage an invasion and if these defences were unique to Phezzan, it would incentivise both the empire and alliance to steal their technologies. Also I'm afraid the idea that they had weapons but decided to get rid of them during an ever escalating galactic war would actually make the plothole worse. All the problems still remain but now the Phezzani government knew it was a problem but chose to get rid of them anyway; they had the capability to build defences but chose not to. It would somewhat help the idea of Phezzan coming into existence (and surviving) but both sides would still greatly eye them as a viable route to their enemy.
@@dlfarmer7601Well we know that they have the ability to produce advanced weapons using the above examples. I just can't prove that they have used it to defend themselves. A single scene of some major character disabling the Phezzani defense grid, as you suggested, really could have just smoothed over this entire issue. Or we could have gotten a cool battle where Reinhard has to overcome their defenses which would even parallel the taking of Iserlohn. Really show off the similarities and differences of our leads
The dates are something to watch out for, the Empire and all other human nations have "always" existed in the Orion arm of the galaxy, the Alliance was founded on the saggitarius arm. In 640UC the Empire discovers the Alliance and immediately attacks them, (and loses the first battle). They fight for 40 years and only in 682UC Phezzan comes into existence, it begins as a weak domain of the Empire, but by lobbing most of the imperial nobles it gets authorization from the Kaiser to trade with the Alliance, I can't even begin to imagine how profitable it must've been for Phezzan to be the only trade route between 2 nations and 40 billion people. Meanwhile the war continues on the Iserlohn corridor, but no side would want to lose the trade offered by Phezzan mediation, extending the war to another corridor would not settle the conflict regardless. Only in 766UC Iserlohn fortress is built, we have no way of knowing if there have been any battles in the Phezzan corridor until then, but it has become clear by unwritten convention that the Iserlohn corridor has been chosen as the main battleground between the nations. Aside from the fact that Phezzan obviously controls multiple politicians and companies in both sides, we cannot understate that in the imaginary of the people Phezzan is a peaceful realm of trade, attacking through it is no longer conceivable, but 30 years later Reinhard does it.
So Phezzan was formed in 682UC as a part of the empire. Okay. But then it lobbed most of the nobility? Even if that were possible (which in an authoritarian militaristic empire is nearly impossible) it would only cause another noble house to move in its place. Then it’s allowed to trade with the empire? Why would that kaiser allow a part of his empire to trade with the enemy and further why would all future kaisers continue to allow that. Considering we're shown Phezzan has incredible wealth, that only causes more reason for both the empire and alliance to invade them throughout the 150 years. We’re quite literally told by the Phezzani representative that all debts would be gone if the empire invaded Phezzan (and hence the same for the alliance. Why would either the alliance or empire government would prefer trade to continue between them. The alliance population would be furious with their government for allowing trade with the empire (which would be obvious) and as for the empire, we're told the alliance are nearly economically bankrupt so hurting their economy in any way would greatly benefit their aims. "extending the war to another corridor would not settle the conflict regardless." It absolutely would. Six times the alliance were defeated by the Iserlohn fortress which means they had enough force potential to invade directly into the empire and potentially defeat them, six times. Not to mention, the simple matter of having an alternative corridor greatly reduces the stalemate element of the war. But even if somehow this were not the case, both governments have immense reasons to defeat their rival and end the war as soon as possible. Any and all military leaders would have used the defenceless corridor. There's no mention there were any battles in the Phezzan corridor before Reinhard's invasion. If there were, it would only make Phezzan's independence even more unbelievable. How could either the alliance or empire ignore this strategic corridor if they fought over it before. "it has become clear by unwritten convention that the Iserlohn corridor has been chosen as the main battleground between the nations." If you're arguing both sides abide by this enormous restriction because of honour, the alliance are filled with corrupt politicians who couldn't care less about honour and we're told of many previous kaisers who were corrupt and careless. Not to mention, the thought of ending the war quickly would play a massive role in this decision. "Aside from the fact that Phezzan obviously controls multiple politicians and companies in both sides" As you sort-of implied, they don't control every single politician and it would only take a few to decide to attack through Phezzan to defeat their rival, end the miserable war and obtain Phezzan's enormous wealth. It's not a matter of whether the common consensus of the Phezzan people believe they won't be attacked, its a matter of the phezzan government to use its money to build defences. Rubinsky is supposed to be a smart guy (he really isn’t but I’ll get into that in part 2) and he let Phezzan be undefended. Even a small fleet to delay any advance until the other side arrives would've been better. As it stands there wasn't even a single ship. Honestly there wasn't even any long range radar stations at either end of the corridor to monitor the situation.
hey enjoyed your review of the show but i just wanted to comment about the phezzan plothole. I think theres a few things you overlooked that explain why no one invaded before hand, mainly that the empire controlled the other corridor. Its shown that the aillance is clearly on the backfoot throughout the war and did not really have a chance to invade the empire through that corridor untill Yang captures the fortress (furthermore its stated in the new show (sorry not watched the og one yet so idk if they mention this) that the orginal war plan was to capture the fortress and then use that as levarage in peace talks. With the aillance only counter invading due to Yang taking the fortress without any casualites making the politations think they be able to steamroll the empire. They had up untill then fighting a defense war and was hoping for a peace settlement not total annihlation of the emprie. So bascially for the 150 years the empire never had any reason to invade through the corridor while the aillance never had a chance to do so. to go to your example of germany not attacking through the low countries, i say it was closer to france not invading germany though the low countries. They were a democratic nation and the people wouldn't have supported such an action. This is also not to mention the fact that the Aillance was heavily relyant on Phezzan for things like war loans and that phezzan likely would have enough aillance politcans in their pocket to prevent any military action againist them.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Regarding your defence of the Phezzan plothole: The Iserlohn corridor has an incredibly powerful fortress that the empire controls while the Phezzan corridor has nothing. Tens of millions of lives and hundreds of thousands of ships would've been saved if the Alliance attacked through Phezzan rather than continuously trying to take Iserlohn. I understand that the Iserlohn corridor was empire territory and Phezzan corridor was Phezzan territory but when nations see the potential loss of their armies and/or strategic aims to be achieved they will always disregard borders and march their armies through neutral nations. I understand that taking Iserlohn fortress could have resulted in favourable peace talks and was the primary reason for taking it (and as you say caused the alliance to go in a warlike fervour and create a bad invasion). However the alliance would've been in a far better position for peace talks had they invaded the alliance and captured/liberated multiple planets in the south (for a lack of a better term) of the empire's side of the galaxy. This also doesn't explain why the empire couldn't have used it before Reinhard and why the Alliance weren't warry of that. Would've been good to see some kind of garrison or mini fortress on the alliance side of the Phezzan corridor (and empire side as well). I can't fathom a reason why the alliance or empire wouldn't invade the Phezzan corridor in 150 years. The alliance were paying Phezzan a lot of money and not the other way round which is mentioned several times in the show. Additionally, the Phezzan representative (the one who met with Reinhard) later said the alliance would lose their debts if they took over Phezzan. The empire has no such debts and would gain a lot of loot from conquering Phezzan so from both perspectives, a lot of money is to be made to conquering Phezzan. I assume you meant why France didn’t also invade through Belgium in WW1 before Germany did (or at the same time). The thing is Belgium was both neutral and allied to Britain. Had France attacked Belgium to invade Germany, Britain would’ve intervened on Belgium’s behalf and the rest of the world would’ve turned against France, especially the USA. I’m not sure what relationship France and Belgium had before the war so I can’t really say what the French public would’ve thought of them attacking Belgium but I’d wager it would been… a tad shocked. When Germany launched the Schlieffen plan to attack the heart of France a by going through Belgium it was meant to defeat France quickly before Britain could respond so Germany could focus all her efforts on Russia. Obviously there were many giant flaws with this plan but that's beside the point as France was in a vastly different position to Germany at the start of WW1; namely it lacked an enemy to their rear and its ally Britain was allied to Belgium and had a powerful army/navy. Anyway, if a democratic nation were extensionally threatened by another power, (i.e. their nation could be wiped out by this other threat), they would absolutely conquer/occupy another democracy to enable themselves to survive. In ww1, the entante occupied Greece to prevent their monarch from joining the central powers (he wanted to join the central powers rather than their PM who wanted to go with the entante), though that story is quite complicated so a better example would be in ww2 when Britain invaded Iceland to prevent Germany invading and conquering the strategic island. This was fully against the Icelandic government and internationally illegal but Britain knew that if Iceland were left independent, Germany would invade and conquer Iceland then use the strategic location against Britain and later America.
Are you planning on making a video about arcane (both seasons as a whole) in the future? Your opinions tend to be extremely meticulous when it comes to pointing out flaws in the world building and the plot, therefore, I'm extremely curious if there is a second person on that planet who also sees plotholes of arcane.
I very very much love arcane, perhaps one of the best series I've ever seen. However, I'm afraid I don't plan on doing a video on it any time soon, if at all, for a couple reasons. Firstly, I want to concentrate on anime (and other shows) that don't particularly get exposed to a full breakdown. I really haven't seen many RUclips reviewers (there are a couple exceptions) that break down anime in terms of their overall writing quality rather than merely stating this show is good and this show is bad. I aim to fill this niche (albeit a little). Secondly there are many breakdowns of Arcane that go in length about Arcane that I don't think I'll be adding much at all to. EFAP and Random Film Talk spend many hours breaking down every scene while Hello Future Me and Gigguk have done good summaries of the whole show.
Oh man there’s tons I could say about both of them (plus accelerator) both good and bad. I don't plan on making a video on it any time soon but I feel those shows are so unbelievably bonkers that I feel like trying to make a summery of it would be hilarious. Maybe if another season comes out then I'll review the whole show then.
The autor of the lgh is the one that wright arslan and tyfania , and if you want great batle like this show you may try banner of the start a great space opera too the new serie is concious of the plot hole and they try to fix it for exemple fezan have a big fleet that have like 15% of the power of the galaxy so if they allied with the empire the alliance losse and same with the oposite for the take of iselord fortersess they use some stuff and 1/2 other plot hole are change too now i wonder what you think of reincarnated as a aristocrat anime
That is fascinating. The same person who wrote LOGH wrote both Arslan and Tytania? What on earth happened. In some way it's like Ridly Scot who wrote Alien and Blade Runner while later writing Napolean and Alien Covenant. Hmmm, I genuinely have never heard of banner of the stars before. Consider me very interested. Ah so the remake of LOGH actually showed Phezzan having an actual fleet, that's good to hear but how do they solve the conundrum of Reinhard having to fight them which would allow the alliance to muster all fleets to the rescue or at least to the corridor's entrance? As for Reincarnated as an aristocrat, I'd say its on the same level as Realist Hero. One that is pathetically bad and yet one that I can't wait to pulverise. Incidentally the world map they repeatedly show is the worst map I've ever seen in any fantasy show but I'll go into detail about that when I make the video...eventually.
@@dlfarmer7601 Tyfania is know for have a bad adaptation , and LOGH is know to have a adaptation that realy improve the base material for Phezzan i think i remmeber what the probleme is they have a big flote but they mainly marchant that mean have it in reserve and mothboll they most of the time i think they need 3 day to make it ready or somethink so if reinhard could take they by suprise they screw i think you maybe a litle hard for Reincarnated as an aristocrat especialy since they mainly introduce character and not enter the first big war maybe s2 will be more to your like or maybe not i think you have a realy specific set of hope for each serie and if it not hit the precise point you hope for you realy harch about it i will wait to your rewiew to seen what the problem you have but since i am a big fan of Reincarnated as an aristocrat i think we would disagreed ;)
@azopeopaz3059 That might explain a few things with Tytania, particularly the colour scheme if the manga was in black and white. I also assume they explain the ball plan, the sudden space guns and show alternative yang as actually caring in his battles. Assuming Phezzan did have a fleet (I assume the manga actually showed this) but had it mothballed, that still wouldn't work. It would mean the Phezzani leaders were smart enough to have a fleet but not smart enough to have them conduct drills, manoeuvres, or even have observers in the alliance fleets (in return to forgive some debts or something). When the civil wars were happening in the alliance and empire you'd think that would be the perfect time to show off their strength. Furthermore, they had a lot more warning than three days (I would say at least a month or so) as they know Reinhard is planning an invasion well in advance but decided to not activate their fleet? (which we still have not been shown in the anime anyway). Surely they would also have long range radars to detect fleet movements close to their corridor. I'm perfectly fine with a season of setting up future events rather than starting with open conflict; House of the Dragon season one is that and it is glorious. However it would need to have strong characters and a well built world for that kind of season to work. I'll wait for the video before I really dig into it but suffice to say, there's a lot of problems with reincarnated as a aristocrat. It's nowhere near the worst of anime that came out around that time (Re Monster and The fable were particularly abysmal) but among the others, it's one I think will be fun to tear apart. So just be prepared, I will be harsh.
@@dlfarmer7601 LOGH , arsland , and titania start as japaness novel ( not light novel but novel ) i think 8 volume for LOGH , LOGH do 8 Volume in 110 episode where titania do like 4 volume in 26 ish episode it not wonderthe quality is different , reincarnated as a aristocrat is the first light novel of the guy and it keep improved with time maybe i am biase because i up to date with the last story he made but have he realy made clever batle and situation i think some mistake was made in the early part by the autor for exemple i think they introduce too many character in the start insteat of do some story and we still not on his strong point the batle so far we only seen one i think the batle was ok as the start next season we will start with diplomacy and the fist campagne i fine with you be harsh if you are fair in the end it up to you to give your opinion
@@dlfarmer7601 I think it overconfidence that kill phezaan they realy trust they inteligence like for ecxemple hapen in midle east betwen if you too confident on you inteligence service you could end up suprise and lost a lot sadly for fezan they lack strategical deep and another think is that now the alliance is realy weak they lost a lot of force in the fail invation and on the coup i don't remmeber well but i think the empire is like 20 billion population fezan 1/2 billion and alliance 5 billion ( and like 3 billion are new reffuse from the empire that come whent the two meet ) i don't know if you want to but the gaiden and the new serie often have info that was on the book but where skip because the time change and people don't want the same info in 1980 and in 2020
I almost forget both camp have shield but not a big probleme it prety weak shild , shield cannot protect against direct hit at normal power of a enemy hit only indirect hit or hit at less that 50% of a normal power anoter probleme is you cannot use shield and shoot in same time if you shoot your shield is out if you shild your cannon is out and you could only shild the front of the vessel so if it hit anywhere else the shild is useless shild is only a probleme in sf when it a hard shield that could tank a lot of hit shild in logh is more like a cloth that a plate armor
I don't know what you mean by indirect hit vs direct hit. Do you mean weakspots in the ships because then the shields would do little compared to the armour of the ships themselves, and you'd imagine shields to be used in those spots alone (like creating a mini bubble around the exposed parts). Okay, so you can't use shields and fire at the same time. That would still allow for all kinds of things. Imagine you're fleet needs to immediately turn to face an enemy. Everyone turn on shields and have protection while their turning, then turn it back on when facing the enemy. It would also allow disengaging to be far easier and you could rotate out frontal ships. If the frontal ships have failing shields have them stop firing and move rear ships in their place. Why would anyone design these ships to only have the front be shielded. If any one side should be shielded it should be either the port and starboard side as it has a far larger surface area.
@@dlfarmer7601 I do not know much more i only know what the new serie give as info both serie take different info from the univers in the new serie shild is use more often but is still a minor aspect of fight
@@dlfarmer7601 The shields as you noted in the video have scarce appearances in the OVA, but these handful(like 2) we can establish a few things on how they work 1. The shields seem to only work at extremely close and extremely long ranges. In the close range shot(from Overture to a New War), we can see the beams get redirected away from the warships. However in the shot you show, they seem to be absorbed by the shields. There are three possible explanations off the top of my head: a) The animators weren't told/didn't draw the redirection, but it happened b) The beam was so weakened from the range that its redirection wouldn't be visible c) The shields had enough time, due to the range, to properly calculate the gravity projections needed to basically reverse the firing process 2. Once again using that shot from Overture, we can determine that the shields do work even when firing the main guns 3. The shields do absolutely nothing at a gun's proper range. This does ask how did that Overture shot happen, since they weren't far enough away to use that other logic for them to work. My guesses are that the guns weren't firing at full power due to drained capacitors(or future equivalent), as at least the Patoroklos did fire a ship destroying salvo only a few moments previous or that the guns weren't firing at full power because they ramp up the power of the beams using the gravity projectors of the shields. Either case could allow for the slower particles to be more easily deflected So in short the shields can only redirect lower power beams [and maybe shots that'd only glance the hull, but that's not really seen] at the proper ranges of these guns. This then explains why even with these shields, ships can't properly block a shot during turns. If you do want something to be a little mad at during those turning maneuvers, if they are doing a 180 why do they rotate horizontally(around the vertical axis)? It presents their largest two dimensions(length and height), while if they instead flipped the ship vertically(end over end) they'd only present the smallest and the largest dimension(width and length)
@@syndicatius The shields become much more prominent in the second half of the show, (which is a complete disaster but wait for part 2 when I tear it to shreds) but I used that shot as it’s the only one from the first half of the show. Anyway: Not a problem here but surely if the shields work at both very close and very long ranges, they would also work at all ranges in between. If the shields are moreso deflectors than shields that can block nearly everything but a full beam blast then why would any ship not always use their full beam blast, thus negating the deflector shields entirely. Also I thought the range was an issue in terms of accuracy (and increased enemy evasion) but if it does diminish the beam strength/power with increasing range that’s fine. If however these shields can block full beam blasts but only at large ranges (as these beams would lose their strength) then no fleet would bother to fire at long ranges and it would likely cause hit and run tactics to become common; ships can dart in and out of the shield range to attack their enemy. You bring up a very interesting point with the turning manoeuvres but I can imagine its more doctrine to turn on a horizontal plain than a vertical one, simply to ensure the entire fleet is in the correct formation when the move is over. Then again it wouldn’t take much to tell the entire fleet to turn vertically than horizontally (everyone would be inverted compared to their enemy but that’s irrelevant and funny) so I’d agree it’s a problem and should’ve been addressed.
@@dlfarmer7601 It's been awhile since I've watched, so I don't remember those later usages of the shields. The main one that sticks in my mind is from Overture, since the ships were like ≤500m apart from each other. That's why I had to give an explanation in my elaboration of point 3 Well we do mainly see ships use their full power beams, I was just trying to explain that scene, using either the charge up time or the shields could have prevented the beams from reaching their full power. Otherwise it does kind of break the entire nature of space warfare in this setting There isn't much data of the theoretical cohesion of a neutron beam, so I can't entirely say that the beams would lose power, but it should be possible. That's also why I proposed the other option of the shields being able to properly calculate and catch the beam due to extreme long-range. The hit-and-run approach likely isn't used due to the difficulties of target acquisition, noting your point on beam accuracy and dodgability. Especially when we consider the often overlooked usage of e-war doing its best to ensure these massed formations of ships are used A lot of the times I can remember them going and turning around, they aren't going in an arc to keep the current arrangement of ships, but rotating in place, so using a vertical flip should be fine, even if you want to add in the spin to keep everything pointing "up". Maybe the best answer would be that the port and starboard thrusters are stronger, so the ship can rotate faster. This can't explain why they were designed like that though
38:10 - Dude it's been years since i was trying to remember Alderamim, thabk you
You're welcome. Man I absolutely love that show and it's such a tragedy that it never got another season.
Hell yeah, some spotlight for one of my favourite titles! Thank you kindly.
On the Phezzan Plothole - it could have been rectified with one (alright, 1,5) additions. Planet of diplomats and traders, they say? You know what goes perfectly with those things in the case of an absence of an actual military? Right. Assasins and spies. Just make the planet a nest of the most effective, dreaded assasins guild in the galaxy, ready to send freaking legion of Space-Agents 47 on whoever even dare to dream to try to invade them. With a nice sidedish of a boatload of compromat on every leader of Alliance and Empire to flay the chains of command alive by sowing discord, Boom, done, Plus, it would actually give Reinhardt more reason to conquer the planet.
As for the Unnamed Memory and how "nobody cares about it" - I took that personaly, No, really, I hoped so much that the apadtation would turn out at least okay-ish and was - still is - absolutely livid by the absolute flustercluckery we recieved at the end of the day. Way to go, Engi - making a romance anime with cutting the hell out almost every bit of romance. And they SMOMEHOW made the Worst Arc even worse! I dropped it at the beginning of the episode 5, when I saw one important scene were butchered and realized that they've reuined it.
Been wanting to talk about this anime for ages, long before starting this channel as it's such a unique anime amongst anime and you're very welcome.
While I agree having a large network of spies/assassins would have helped matters for Phezzan, it honestly would've done little to stem the tide for either the alliance or empire to stomp through Phezzan to get to their greatest enemy. From what I can tell every single leader, from captain to high admiral, would want to go through the defenceless corridor to get to their enemy and it's inconceivable to assassinate every one of them. Plus once the alliance politicians, empire nobility and the general populations get wind of Phezzan's deadly plots, there would be a massive call to action against them. This idea would work a lot better if Phezzan had some impressive defences that would make either side hesitate somewhat (moreso with the fear of assasination) as it would build on the fear of going to war.
Oh right, didn't realise unnamed memory had a good manga and decent following. Afraid I've never gotten into manga/light novels. Nothing against them, I've just never dived into that medium. Anyway, I was judging Unnamed Memory from the anime version which, simply put, bored the hell out of me. Funnily enough I think it was around the fifth episode where I dropped it as well. Everyone was acting like an idiot, nothing interesting happened and as you said, there wasn't any romance.
@@dlfarmer7601 Phezzan will get a somewhat acceptable explanation in the second half.
@@dottris Are you suggesting it was all a part of the Earth Cult plan? Because Rubinsky is a very high member of that and he said himself that Reinhard had outsmarted him. It also doesn't explain the empire's and alliance's decisions regarding to this undefended corridor.
@@dlfarmer7601 More like Phezzan was established 150 years ago with the help of the Earth Cult and maintained since then. We don't know about much more, but they had mans everywhere and some politicians where surely got nice money from the trade through Phezzan, so probably they where easy to convince that they should forbid any military action there. Also, the Empire had a fortress at Iserlohn so I doubt they felt the need to bring the battle to Phezzan too. Corrupt allince politicians manipulated by the Earth Cult, and Iserlohn in the hand of the Empire. I think something like that is the somewhat acceptable explanation.
@@dlfarmer7601 More like Phezzan was established 150 years ago and maintained since then by the Earth Cult. We don't know much more but they have a lot of men everywhere and I am sure that many politicians in the Allience got a lot of money from the trade through Phezzan so they where probably easy to convince that no millitary action should be done there. Also, the Empire had a giant fortress at Iserlohn before so they probably weren't so eager to bring the fight to Phezzan too.
Hello, first time leaving comments here, because of LOGH.
LOGH was the author's first novel (and arguably the most popular one). It was initially going to be two volumes (until the end of the two civil wars) but was then becoming ten due to its popularity at the time.
The Phezzan plot explanation by the author in the novel is that they have heavily bribed both Free Planets Alliance and the Empire's nobles to gain influence both economically and politically, and if one side would ever think of conquering Phezzan, Phezzan would immediately influence the other side to attack the former. They will also make sure that both sides will never reconcile with each other. Repeating this cycle and Phezzan (or the Earth Cult in disguise) will ultimately get the upper hand to the other two (Yeah, I know this sounds crazy, but it is what it is in the novel).
As a side note, the current ongoing LOGH manga adaptation uses another approach with Phezzan, where both Free Planets Alliance and the Empire never knew the existence of the Phezzan corridor, until someone betrays and gives the coordinate of the secret location to Reinhardt's side. This could potentially become another plot hole but can well explain the never-ending wars over the "only corridor".
Anyway, looking forward to your next video on the 2nd half of LOGH anime!
Understandable as there's an enormous amount to discuss about LOGH and I love these kind of discussions.
Interesting that this was the author's first novel. If he originally intended to end it at the civil wars, it might somewhat explain the sudden introduction to the Kaiser kidnapping plot and Ragnorok.
So a few things in response to your defence:
1) I cannot accept something like Phezzan forming as an independent nation in the first place. Both the Alliance and Empire would have considerable reasons to conquer it (or keep it under control) for being in such a uniquely strategic position and for guaranteeing their rights and simple prestige.
2) I also can't accept that Phezzan were able to influence either the alliance or empire. If they gave massive loans, gifts or bribes to the alliance just for them to leave Phezzan alone, it would have little effect. They say in the show that if the Alliance were to conquer Phezzan, all their debts from the loans would be gone. Gifts and bribes are always unstainable as the provider always has to keep paying and paying; eventually there would be a cutoff point. Either it gets revealed to the public which means outrage against Phezzan and those politicians or Phezzan stops paying and causes those politicians to disapprove of them. Not to mention there would be honest politicians (or at least politicians who would turn the population against Phezzan) who would refuse bribes. The moment a popular military leader brings up the idea of using the Phezzan corridor to protect the Phezzani people and to conquer the empire the Alliance people would rally in support and force the government to respond. As for the empire, the kaiser and all the nobility has little reason to keep their word. Thanks for the money but you're gonna be a part of the empire now.
3) The idea of if Phezzan were attacked the other side would come to help is irrelevant. Phezzan has no fleet or defences and the empire, alliance are at war anyway. What I'm trying to say if the Alliance were to attack the empire it would be no different than if the alliance were to attack the empire plus Phezzan (and vice versa).
4) Even if somehow all the above were the case, it would only cause Phezzan to be entirely isolated; it would never become an influential figure on the galaxy stage. Both the Alliance and Empire have no reason to even listen to them. One planet with little resources compared to two enormously powerful nations. I couldn't even say they would be a mediator as from the same show we're shown POWs to be exchanged without their help.
What?! That attempt to fix the plothole has only compounded the issues. Essentially it has widened the plothole as it means Phezzan can't possibly get the population they say in the show, couldn’t possibly influence either the Alliance or empire, couldn’t possibly get any kind of wealth, couldn't possibly build any defences, but now both the alliance and empire have never explored any alternative route between their nations nor notice a thriving planet essentially on their doorstep. It's also a massive contrivance to say only when Reinhard took power did someone leak Phezzan's location.
Anyway, I can't wait to start on the next part. Gonna be big.
Glad You are reviewing it
I am as well.
So my best guess is that early on Phezzan had a large number of technologically advanced weapons, as we do see that Phezzan has some the most advanced technology in the setting, giving the FPA and that Romaboo copies of the Artemis Necklace and the Empire directable Seffle Particles. Those weapons would have discouraged invasion. Where those weapons went, why they got rid of them, and why no one exploited that is probably smaller plot hole than if Phezzan never having defenses
If Phezzan had advanced weaponry then yeah that would have discouraged invasion but I'm afraid we're never shown that at any point in the show so it can't be used as evidence. It would also have to be defences greater than the Iserlohn fortress to begin to discourage an invasion and if these defences were unique to Phezzan, it would incentivise both the empire and alliance to steal their technologies.
Also I'm afraid the idea that they had weapons but decided to get rid of them during an ever escalating galactic war would actually make the plothole worse. All the problems still remain but now the Phezzani government knew it was a problem but chose to get rid of them anyway; they had the capability to build defences but chose not to. It would somewhat help the idea of Phezzan coming into existence (and surviving) but both sides would still greatly eye them as a viable route to their enemy.
@@dlfarmer7601Well we know that they have the ability to produce advanced weapons using the above examples. I just can't prove that they have used it to defend themselves. A single scene of some major character disabling the Phezzani defense grid, as you suggested, really could have just smoothed over this entire issue. Or we could have gotten a cool battle where Reinhard has to overcome their defenses which would even parallel the taking of Iserlohn. Really show off the similarities and differences of our leads
@@syndicatius Fully agree and having such scenes would've easily solved the plothole.
Amazing show.
The dates are something to watch out for, the Empire and all other human nations have "always" existed in the Orion arm of the galaxy, the Alliance was founded on the saggitarius arm. In 640UC the Empire discovers the Alliance and immediately attacks them, (and loses the first battle). They fight for 40 years and only in 682UC Phezzan comes into existence, it begins as a weak domain of the Empire, but by lobbing most of the imperial nobles it gets authorization from the Kaiser to trade with the Alliance, I can't even begin to imagine how profitable it must've been for Phezzan to be the only trade route between 2 nations and 40 billion people.
Meanwhile the war continues on the Iserlohn corridor, but no side would want to lose the trade offered by Phezzan mediation, extending the war to another corridor would not settle the conflict regardless. Only in 766UC Iserlohn fortress is built, we have no way of knowing if there have been any battles in the Phezzan corridor until then, but it has become clear by unwritten convention that the Iserlohn corridor has been chosen as the main battleground between the nations. Aside from the fact that Phezzan obviously controls multiple politicians and companies in both sides, we cannot understate that in the imaginary of the people Phezzan is a peaceful realm of trade, attacking through it is no longer conceivable, but 30 years later Reinhard does it.
So Phezzan was formed in 682UC as a part of the empire. Okay. But then it lobbed most of the nobility? Even if that were possible (which in an authoritarian militaristic empire is nearly impossible) it would only cause another noble house to move in its place.
Then it’s allowed to trade with the empire? Why would that kaiser allow a part of his empire to trade with the enemy and further why would all future kaisers continue to allow that.
Considering we're shown Phezzan has incredible wealth, that only causes more reason for both the empire and alliance to invade them throughout the 150 years. We’re quite literally told by the Phezzani representative that all debts would be gone if the empire invaded Phezzan (and hence the same for the alliance.
Why would either the alliance or empire government would prefer trade to continue between them. The alliance population would be furious with their government for allowing trade with the empire (which would be obvious) and as for the empire, we're told the alliance are nearly economically bankrupt so hurting their economy in any way would greatly benefit their aims.
"extending the war to another corridor would not settle the conflict regardless." It absolutely would. Six times the alliance were defeated by the Iserlohn fortress which means they had enough force potential to invade directly into the empire and potentially defeat them, six times. Not to mention, the simple matter of having an alternative corridor greatly reduces the stalemate element of the war. But even if somehow this were not the case, both governments have immense reasons to defeat their rival and end the war as soon as possible. Any and all military leaders would have used the defenceless corridor.
There's no mention there were any battles in the Phezzan corridor before Reinhard's invasion. If there were, it would only make Phezzan's independence even more unbelievable. How could either the alliance or empire ignore this strategic corridor if they fought over it before.
"it has become clear by unwritten convention that the Iserlohn corridor has been chosen as the main battleground between the nations." If you're arguing both sides abide by this enormous restriction because of honour, the alliance are filled with corrupt politicians who couldn't care less about honour and we're told of many previous kaisers who were corrupt and careless. Not to mention, the thought of ending the war quickly would play a massive role in this decision.
"Aside from the fact that Phezzan obviously controls multiple politicians and companies in both sides" As you sort-of implied, they don't control every single politician and it would only take a few to decide to attack through Phezzan to defeat their rival, end the miserable war and obtain Phezzan's enormous wealth.
It's not a matter of whether the common consensus of the Phezzan people believe they won't be attacked, its a matter of the phezzan government to use its money to build defences. Rubinsky is supposed to be a smart guy (he really isn’t but I’ll get into that in part 2) and he let Phezzan be undefended. Even a small fleet to delay any advance until the other side arrives would've been better. As it stands there wasn't even a single ship. Honestly there wasn't even any long range radar stations at either end of the corridor to monitor the situation.
hey enjoyed your review of the show but i just wanted to comment about the phezzan plothole. I think theres a few things you overlooked that explain why no one invaded before hand, mainly that the empire controlled the other corridor. Its shown that the aillance is clearly on the backfoot throughout the war and did not really have a chance to invade the empire through that corridor untill Yang captures the fortress (furthermore its stated in the new show (sorry not watched the og one yet so idk if they mention this) that the orginal war plan was to capture the fortress and then use that as levarage in peace talks. With the aillance only counter invading due to Yang taking the fortress without any casualites making the politations think they be able to steamroll the empire. They had up untill then fighting a defense war and was hoping for a peace settlement not total annihlation of the emprie.
So bascially for the 150 years the empire never had any reason to invade through the corridor while the aillance never had a chance to do so. to go to your example of germany not attacking through the low countries, i say it was closer to france not invading germany though the low countries. They were a democratic nation and the people wouldn't have supported such an action. This is also not to mention the fact that the Aillance was heavily relyant on Phezzan for things like war loans and that phezzan likely would have enough aillance politcans in their pocket to prevent any military action againist them.
Glad you enjoyed the video.
Regarding your defence of the Phezzan plothole:
The Iserlohn corridor has an incredibly powerful fortress that the empire controls while the Phezzan corridor has nothing. Tens of millions of lives and hundreds of thousands of ships would've been saved if the Alliance attacked through Phezzan rather than continuously trying to take Iserlohn. I understand that the Iserlohn corridor was empire territory and Phezzan corridor was Phezzan territory but when nations see the potential loss of their armies and/or strategic aims to be achieved they will always disregard borders and march their armies through neutral nations.
I understand that taking Iserlohn fortress could have resulted in favourable peace talks and was the primary reason for taking it (and as you say caused the alliance to go in a warlike fervour and create a bad invasion). However the alliance would've been in a far better position for peace talks had they invaded the alliance and captured/liberated multiple planets in the south (for a lack of a better term) of the empire's side of the galaxy.
This also doesn't explain why the empire couldn't have used it before Reinhard and why the Alliance weren't warry of that. Would've been good to see some kind of garrison or mini fortress on the alliance side of the Phezzan corridor (and empire side as well).
I can't fathom a reason why the alliance or empire wouldn't invade the Phezzan corridor in 150 years.
The alliance were paying Phezzan a lot of money and not the other way round which is mentioned several times in the show. Additionally, the Phezzan representative (the one who met with Reinhard) later said the alliance would lose their debts if they took over Phezzan. The empire has no such debts and would gain a lot of loot from conquering Phezzan so from both perspectives, a lot of money is to be made to conquering Phezzan.
I assume you meant why France didn’t also invade through Belgium in WW1 before Germany did (or at the same time). The thing is Belgium was both neutral and allied to Britain. Had France attacked Belgium to invade Germany, Britain would’ve intervened on Belgium’s behalf and the rest of the world would’ve turned against France, especially the USA. I’m not sure what relationship France and Belgium had before the war so I can’t really say what the French public would’ve thought of them attacking Belgium but I’d wager it would been… a tad shocked. When Germany launched the Schlieffen plan to attack the heart of France a by going through Belgium it was meant to defeat France quickly before Britain could respond so Germany could focus all her efforts on Russia. Obviously there were many giant flaws with this plan but that's beside the point as France was in a vastly different position to Germany at the start of WW1; namely it lacked an enemy to their rear and its ally Britain was allied to Belgium and had a powerful army/navy.
Anyway, if a democratic nation were extensionally threatened by another power, (i.e. their nation could be wiped out by this other threat), they would absolutely conquer/occupy another democracy to enable themselves to survive. In ww1, the entante occupied Greece to prevent their monarch from joining the central powers (he wanted to join the central powers rather than their PM who wanted to go with the entante), though that story is quite complicated so a better example would be in ww2 when Britain invaded Iceland to prevent Germany invading and conquering the strategic island. This was fully against the Icelandic government and internationally illegal but Britain knew that if Iceland were left independent, Germany would invade and conquer Iceland then use the strategic location against Britain and later America.
Are you planning on making a video about arcane (both seasons as a whole) in the future? Your opinions tend to be extremely meticulous when it comes to pointing out flaws in the world building and the plot, therefore, I'm extremely curious if there is a second person on that planet who also sees plotholes of arcane.
I very very much love arcane, perhaps one of the best series I've ever seen. However, I'm afraid I don't plan on doing a video on it any time soon, if at all, for a couple reasons.
Firstly, I want to concentrate on anime (and other shows) that don't particularly get exposed to a full breakdown. I really haven't seen many RUclips reviewers (there are a couple exceptions) that break down anime in terms of their overall writing quality rather than merely stating this show is good and this show is bad. I aim to fill this niche (albeit a little).
Secondly there are many breakdowns of Arcane that go in length about Arcane that I don't think I'll be adding much at all to. EFAP and Random Film Talk spend many hours breaking down every scene while Hello Future Me and Gigguk have done good summaries of the whole show.
Let's goooo!
Will you ever so a review of A certain magical index or Railgun?
Oh man there’s tons I could say about both of them (plus accelerator) both good and bad. I don't plan on making a video on it any time soon but I feel those shows are so unbelievably bonkers that I feel like trying to make a summery of it would be hilarious. Maybe if another season comes out then I'll review the whole show then.
Cool video
You came back with milk
Where is part 2
Working on it.
The autor of the lgh is the one that wright arslan and tyfania , and if you want great batle like this show you may try banner of the start a great space opera too
the new serie is concious of the plot hole and they try to fix it for exemple fezan have a big fleet that have like 15% of the power of the galaxy so if they allied with the empire the alliance losse and same with the oposite for the take of iselord fortersess they use some stuff and 1/2 other plot hole are change too
now i wonder what you think of reincarnated as a aristocrat anime
That is fascinating. The same person who wrote LOGH wrote both Arslan and Tytania? What on earth happened. In some way it's like Ridly Scot who wrote Alien and Blade Runner while later writing Napolean and Alien Covenant.
Hmmm, I genuinely have never heard of banner of the stars before. Consider me very interested.
Ah so the remake of LOGH actually showed Phezzan having an actual fleet, that's good to hear but how do they solve the conundrum of Reinhard having to fight them which would allow the alliance to muster all fleets to the rescue or at least to the corridor's entrance?
As for Reincarnated as an aristocrat, I'd say its on the same level as Realist Hero. One that is pathetically bad and yet one that I can't wait to pulverise. Incidentally the world map they repeatedly show is the worst map I've ever seen in any fantasy show but I'll go into detail about that when I make the video...eventually.
@@dlfarmer7601 Tyfania is know for have a bad adaptation , and LOGH is know to have a adaptation that realy improve the base material
for Phezzan i think i remmeber what the probleme is they have a big flote but they mainly marchant that mean have it in reserve and mothboll they most of the time i think they need 3 day to make it ready or somethink so if reinhard could take they by suprise they screw
i think you maybe a litle hard for Reincarnated as an aristocrat especialy since they mainly introduce character and not enter the first big war maybe s2 will be more to your like or maybe not i think you have a realy specific set of hope for each serie and if it not hit the precise point you hope for you realy harch about it
i will wait to your rewiew to seen what the problem you have but since i am a big fan of Reincarnated as an aristocrat i think we would disagreed ;)
@azopeopaz3059 That might explain a few things with Tytania, particularly the colour scheme if the manga was in black and white. I also assume they explain the ball plan, the sudden space guns and show alternative yang as actually caring in his battles.
Assuming Phezzan did have a fleet (I assume the manga actually showed this) but had it mothballed, that still wouldn't work. It would mean the Phezzani leaders were smart enough to have a fleet but not smart enough to have them conduct drills, manoeuvres, or even have observers in the alliance fleets (in return to forgive some debts or something). When the civil wars were happening in the alliance and empire you'd think that would be the perfect time to show off their strength. Furthermore, they had a lot more warning than three days (I would say at least a month or so) as they know Reinhard is planning an invasion well in advance but decided to not activate their fleet? (which we still have not been shown in the anime anyway). Surely they would also have long range radars to detect fleet movements close to their corridor.
I'm perfectly fine with a season of setting up future events rather than starting with open conflict; House of the Dragon season one is that and it is glorious. However it would need to have strong characters and a well built world for that kind of season to work. I'll wait for the video before I really dig into it but suffice to say, there's a lot of problems with reincarnated as a aristocrat. It's nowhere near the worst of anime that came out around that time (Re Monster and The fable were particularly abysmal) but among the others, it's one I think will be fun to tear apart. So just be prepared, I will be harsh.
@@dlfarmer7601 LOGH , arsland , and titania start as japaness novel ( not light novel but novel ) i think 8 volume for LOGH , LOGH do 8 Volume in 110 episode where titania do like 4 volume in 26 ish episode it not wonderthe quality is different , reincarnated as a aristocrat is the first light novel of the guy and it keep improved with time maybe i am biase because i up to date with the last story he made but have he realy made clever batle and situation i think some mistake was made in the early part by the autor for exemple i think they introduce too many character in the start insteat of do some story and we still not on his strong point the batle so far we only seen one i think the batle was ok as the start next season we will start with diplomacy and the fist campagne
i fine with you be harsh if you are fair in the end it up to you to give your opinion
@@dlfarmer7601 I think it overconfidence that kill phezaan they realy trust they inteligence like for ecxemple hapen in midle east betwen if you too confident on you inteligence service you could end up suprise and lost a lot sadly for fezan they lack strategical deep and another think is that now the alliance is realy weak they lost a lot of force in the fail invation and on the coup i don't remmeber well but i think the empire is like 20 billion population fezan 1/2 billion and alliance 5 billion ( and like 3 billion are new reffuse from the empire that come whent the two meet ) i don't know if you want to but the gaiden and the new serie often have info that was on the book but where skip because the time change and people don't want the same info in 1980 and in 2020
I almost forget both camp have shield but not a big probleme it prety weak shild , shield cannot protect against direct hit at normal power of a enemy hit only indirect hit or hit at less that 50% of a normal power
anoter probleme is you cannot use shield and shoot in same time if you shoot your shield is out if you shild your cannon is out
and you could only shild the front of the vessel so if it hit anywhere else the shild is useless
shild is only a probleme in sf when it a hard shield that could tank a lot of hit
shild in logh is more like a cloth that a plate armor
I don't know what you mean by indirect hit vs direct hit. Do you mean weakspots in the ships because then the shields would do little compared to the armour of the ships themselves, and you'd imagine shields to be used in those spots alone (like creating a mini bubble around the exposed parts).
Okay, so you can't use shields and fire at the same time. That would still allow for all kinds of things. Imagine you're fleet needs to immediately turn to face an enemy. Everyone turn on shields and have protection while their turning, then turn it back on when facing the enemy. It would also allow disengaging to be far easier and you could rotate out frontal ships. If the frontal ships have failing shields have them stop firing and move rear ships in their place.
Why would anyone design these ships to only have the front be shielded. If any one side should be shielded it should be either the port and starboard side as it has a far larger surface area.
@@dlfarmer7601 I do not know much more i only know what the new serie give as info both serie take different info from the univers in the new serie shild is use more often but is still a minor aspect of fight
@@dlfarmer7601 The shields as you noted in the video have scarce appearances in the OVA, but these handful(like 2) we can establish a few things on how they work
1. The shields seem to only work at extremely close and extremely long ranges. In the close range shot(from Overture to a New War), we can see the beams get redirected away from the warships. However in the shot you show, they seem to be absorbed by the shields. There are three possible explanations off the top of my head:
a) The animators weren't told/didn't draw the redirection, but it happened
b) The beam was so weakened from the range that its redirection wouldn't be visible
c) The shields had enough time, due to the range, to properly calculate the gravity projections needed to basically reverse the firing process
2. Once again using that shot from Overture, we can determine that the shields do work even when firing the main guns
3. The shields do absolutely nothing at a gun's proper range. This does ask how did that Overture shot happen, since they weren't far enough away to use that other logic for them to work. My guesses are that the guns weren't firing at full power due to drained capacitors(or future equivalent), as at least the Patoroklos did fire a ship destroying salvo only a few moments previous or that the guns weren't firing at full power because they ramp up the power of the beams using the gravity projectors of the shields. Either case could allow for the slower particles to be more easily deflected
So in short the shields can only redirect lower power beams [and maybe shots that'd only glance the hull, but that's not really seen] at the proper ranges of these guns. This then explains why even with these shields, ships can't properly block a shot during turns.
If you do want something to be a little mad at during those turning maneuvers, if they are doing a 180 why do they rotate horizontally(around the vertical axis)? It presents their largest two dimensions(length and height), while if they instead flipped the ship vertically(end over end) they'd only present the smallest and the largest dimension(width and length)
@@syndicatius The shields become much more prominent in the second half of the show, (which is a complete disaster but wait for part 2 when I tear it to shreds) but I used that shot as it’s the only one from the first half of the show. Anyway:
Not a problem here but surely if the shields work at both very close and very long ranges, they would also work at all ranges in between.
If the shields are moreso deflectors than shields that can block nearly everything but a full beam blast then why would any ship not always use their full beam blast, thus negating the deflector shields entirely. Also I thought the range was an issue in terms of accuracy (and increased enemy evasion) but if it does diminish the beam strength/power with increasing range that’s fine. If however these shields can block full beam blasts but only at large ranges (as these beams would lose their strength) then no fleet would bother to fire at long ranges and it would likely cause hit and run tactics to become common; ships can dart in and out of the shield range to attack their enemy.
You bring up a very interesting point with the turning manoeuvres but I can imagine its more doctrine to turn on a horizontal plain than a vertical one, simply to ensure the entire fleet is in the correct formation when the move is over. Then again it wouldn’t take much to tell the entire fleet to turn vertically than horizontally (everyone would be inverted compared to their enemy but that’s irrelevant and funny) so I’d agree it’s a problem and should’ve been addressed.
@@dlfarmer7601 It's been awhile since I've watched, so I don't remember those later usages of the shields. The main one that sticks in my mind is from Overture, since the ships were like ≤500m apart from each other. That's why I had to give an explanation in my elaboration of point 3
Well we do mainly see ships use their full power beams, I was just trying to explain that scene, using either the charge up time or the shields could have prevented the beams from reaching their full power. Otherwise it does kind of break the entire nature of space warfare in this setting
There isn't much data of the theoretical cohesion of a neutron beam, so I can't entirely say that the beams would lose power, but it should be possible. That's also why I proposed the other option of the shields being able to properly calculate and catch the beam due to extreme long-range. The hit-and-run approach likely isn't used due to the difficulties of target acquisition, noting your point on beam accuracy and dodgability. Especially when we consider the often overlooked usage of e-war doing its best to ensure these massed formations of ships are used
A lot of the times I can remember them going and turning around, they aren't going in an arc to keep the current arrangement of ships, but rotating in place, so using a vertical flip should be fine, even if you want to add in the spin to keep everything pointing "up". Maybe the best answer would be that the port and starboard thrusters are stronger, so the ship can rotate faster. This can't explain why they were designed like that though