Karate Sensei Tries Stick Fighting (SPARRING)
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- In this episode I travel to a Kali (Eskrima/Arnis) Dojo to learn the ways of Stick Fighting! I take a quick Balintawak lesson from Guro Alex Ormaza and then we spar afterwards to test my new found skills! We do some of the necessary Kali teachings such as the 12 basic strikes of balintawak, some Kali mitt work, and in future videos we will even talk about some of the differences in Kali and Karate!
Alex is a well versed Martial Artist with high rankings in Okinawan Karate, Balintawak Arnis, and BJJ! Go Check him out in the links below!
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Go show love to Alex’s pages in the links in my description!
I put it up there 👍
You did well considering he was 7th degree
You did well considering you don’t really have a major background in kali
Thanks for trying and showcasing our art... you were very brave sparring with rattan.
I love how you are trying different styles and even weapon styles it's awesome. Any consideration of trying out HEMA?
finally a school with actually kali sparring, thank you
Share it with your Kali friends so they can enjoy me getting beat up too! Lol
@@SenseiSeth btw seeing the damage with a real stick. Imma stay padded stick for sparring lol.
That's kinda the draw to the FMAs. If you're not sparring, you might as well be a baton twirler in a high school marching band.
I miss sparring. Club closed doors because of the C.
@@unseencrowyomare4143 what state are you in??? NYC area by any chance?
Love how sparring is literally hitting each other, then shaking hands / hugging afterwards. That's what the works needs.
More hitting with sticks, I agree
@@SenseiSeth Well...if World War 3 happens that's what we'll get. You know what Albert Einstein said about World War 4 right?
Can we settle for a friendly wave and a positive greeting from 2m away? Covid is spiking in my area again and we're back in a lockdown for 2 weeks. : ( I guess hitting each other is out of the question as well lol.
I agree. I'd like to see congress settle policy differences this way. We'd have a lot more compromise and agreement! And when they couldn't agree, boy would it be fun to watch!!!
When I imagine if this was a real battle field skirmish the loser would try to grab or hug the winner in hope of have a comrade have the opening to avenge the loser.
That stress talk was what I needed today. I've been stressing hard all day and you helped me out a lot Seth. Thnx
Happy to help bro
@@SenseiSeth This actually challenged me deeply about something that I absolutely let become distress. Thanks for the challenge ! Respect.
Damn Seth making me pull out my kali sticks to put me in touch with my Filipino roots lol
Same
I love this. Flinch factor is such a big part of this. You turtle up a little when he attacks and you notice when you move forward he stays relaxed. It's just like sparring in any other martial art, when you first start you're afraid to get hit and it affects your performance. Once you get over that fear then you really start to open up.
This has me nostalgic for HEMA and Larp fighting.
Weapon martial arts have such depths to them, especially when you introduce striking and grappling arts in the mix
They are in there in fma systems
As a self-defense practitioner, I find Filipino Martial Arts very useful and applicable in self-defense situations.
Very.
How many self defense situations have you been in where you actually used fma?
Especially if you are the attacking party and have a long knife.
yes indeed!..kali in general is brutal
coz its designed and been tested for generations in actual combat not just for defense but to effectively and quickly eliminate your opponent.
And Now you have scars to prove it...😂👍👍 Great video btw
Nice dude you’ve been exploring a lot of martial arts lately!!! Love the content!!!!!
Thanks a bunch bro!
No problem man!
De-fanging the snake is one of the most valuable concepts of Kali - destroy the weapon, and it can't be used against you. It also makes it so that you're striking the thing that is closest to you, which assists in ranging the opponent. The other thing Kali is exceptional for is footwork. Skills you pick up with a stick are hardwired into reflex, and the type of motion translates directly to knife, sword, empty hands, etc. It makes it very versatile, and you can become effective much more quickly overall as a result. It's been decades since I practiced it, but it was always a favorite art. Lots of fun to learn, if you don't mind the stings :)
It's not "de-fanging", it's "Defang"
@@licenciadogutierrez3215 Forgive me. It's been 40 years since I studied it. I guess the important thing is that it works, not whether I spelled it correctly.
😂😂 De fanging is a Dan Inosanto marketing term he made up to make FMA appealing to Westerners especially Americanos. Dan is one of the biggest snake oil salesmen and the FMA community in the Phillipines know this
One thing I love about balintawak teachers is they always seem to know exactly how hard to hit you without going to far
Yeaaa, I noticed that here!
"Balintawak" you know my kendo sensei practices that but it not until now that I know how its written
@@SenseiSeth your thumb says otherwise
Yep. That's the important part of Balintawak Eskrima. The training they have is the same training I had from Balintawak Eskrima. The same aggressive intent is important for knife training too. Notice the punches, the check, even elbow strikes have aggression that was also intense. As well as the swing that follows it. But it needs control. Here in The Philippines, Balintawak Eskrima was developed as a Street fighting based on Filipino Martial Arts.
Many FMA teachers also know how hard to hit, not just Balintawak.
I didnt knew about this style, now i love it
Niiice!
Did bjj today I’m a white belt, first time sparring with my instructor, I was def feeling stressed lol
I do a different style of FMA. Many years ago I watched some local guys do Balintawak, taught by a direct student of Anciong Bacon. A lot of very intricate, close range stick play, ...cool, but IMO pretty much BS for fighting. Then I came across Bobby Taboada's stuff online. Wow! What a difference. He's the real deal. Respect!
Thanks for trying out our martial arts🇵🇭
👏👍
Alex is a beast!!! Love that man and everything he’s done with Ryu Te, and Kali.
Thanks my man! 🤙
*Classic martial arts blunders/traps for new guys:*
1. BJJ - This guy keeps squirming, I'm going to hold him down. *Gets arm barred.*
2. Kali - He keeps hitting me in the lead hand, I'll move it back and away to protect it. *Gets hit in the head*
3. Muay Thai - Those outside leg kicks really hurt. I'm going to rush in and get too close for him to use them. *Ends up in clinch. Eats knees.*
Anybody else have any more?
4. Taekwondo - This guy won't stop hitting me with his lead leg, I'm going to rush in to do some cheeky body hits. Gets jumping spinning back kicked in the face.
5. Karate - This guy won't stop bouncing around and running away, let me put him in a corner and beat him up there. Gets one-punched in the chin.
6. Silat- this guy won’t stop hitting me in the knees, I going to punch him in the face and hopefully he stops. Gets elbowed in the fucking neck followed by a forearm strike in the same spot as the elbow strike
7. Judo - This Judoka can throw me from any position. Continually gets thrown from every position.
@@EngineerMK2004 this one's definitely my favorite one😂😂😂
@@EngineerMK2004 That's....actually accurate, from personal experience. 😂
Wow my mum is a stick fighting expert, especially when i come home with a bad grade
The timing on that stick drop at the beginning almost had me spraying Dr. Pepper on my phone 😂
I haven't done kali in years and this brings me back. Remembering the first time I ever sparred, feeling that fear and adrenaline as the stick whizzes by your face. I had pretty bruises on my arms for awhile lol. Gotta get back into it.
Balintawak is a good style, I love that its practitioners are not afraid to spar with others outside their system across world.
Hey Sensei,
I really have been loving all these collaborations you've been doing. As someone who focusing sword fighting, I would love to see you do this kind of thing with either a HEMA or SCA rapier group. Great stuff, keep it up.
That lesson about stress was actually my biggest takeaway from the video because it's something that I needed,thank you Seth
Glad it helped 🙏
Alex is one of the guys I really look up to. I’m a newbie at Balintawak at the age of 39 and I’m loving it. My background is in CMA but after watching GM Taboada on RUclips for a few years, I had to seek out a teacher. It’s cool to see you and Alex together. I hope you guys do more in the future. I enjoyed this!
Glad you enjoyed it!!
Thanks bro! 🤙
@@ilovebalintawak5740 your welcome! You are a great martial artist man! Greetings from Winston-Salem, NC. Hope to see you at camp this year!
I love this path of you exploring martial arts and expanding your repertoire! It’s impressive and super entertaining, keep it up and I’m excited to see who the next is!
I’m excited to see what’s next too!!! Thanks for taggin along 🙏
Great job!
I remember my first stick sparring in this video, nasty stings of the stick strikes but loving the game...
Purple thumbnails, partially twisted index finger, red violet tiger stripes - all from the stick blows.
It's after the first stick fighting you get to start thinking of more strategies and means of stick fending and you'll want more matches to experiment techniques...
I had it also in sudden transition from Karate Kumite concept into Kali (Arnis) Stick Fighting Concept. However, from then on, I became an instructor of both martial arts (Kali and Karate)...
Again, nice video!
Thank you!!!
Greetings from Spain !! As a former amateur boxer and muay thai fighter, I'm used to hard sparring... but that kali sparring was scary AF... you definitely have "cojones" 😂
Ain't scary when you get used to it bruv. We do that a lot here. Haha! I invite you to try it. Kali is for everyone
@@danielllama9197 Maybe I should give it a try !
It's not harder. than sparring in Boxing. Rattan sticks are quite light and with helmets on you usually don't have those impact shots that send you to sleep like in Boxing. That actually happens more with punyo strikes or fist strikes. But light sticks just hurt different than getting punched it's more like getting stung or bitten by something...
That dude was at my dojo yesterday day
Sick!
4:33 bruh, I wasn’t looking for a life lesson but I got one and I appreciate it 😂
I love Kali! I hope you do some more training and share. I have been doing it about 6 months and it complements other martial arts nicely. Such a beautiful and deadly art.
Fun to watch you two hit each other with sticks....kinda cant keep myself from noticing how its aoo similar to HEMA stuff.....arming sword or bastardsword in one hand....
Some FMA style are heavily influenced by spanish fencing. Espescially Kalis Illustrissimo, which has absolutely stunning footwork for one shot counters to the head.
They use pretty similar weapons plus the cultural fusion, its not surprising that different styles came to generally the same conclusion.
Hell yah I've been studying eskrima for a while now and it's one of the few constants in my life. Mad respect bro!
Stick boxing?! Now that sounds cool and extremely useful… you can find a stick or stick shaped object almost anywhere. Just wish I could find a teacher.
FMA is starting to get some attention. And seem to be quite spread out. So there is a chance that you have groups where you live.
Look for not only 'Kali', but also 'Arnis' and 'Eskrima'.
Similar material have different names, depending on which region it comes from.
But generally most styles tend to involve some combination of stick work, knife work & stand up grappling... some manner of empty hands striking (knees, slaps, elbows, punches, low line kicks, forearms, headbutts...), and occasionally more spectacular weapons like swords/tomahawks/whips/spear...
I'd love to see more of these kinds of videos.
Will we get "Karate Sensei Tries Kendo" or HEMA or Fencing?
Great video. I love Kali and it's really nice to see somebody investigate it.
Props to you for sparring too. You're a legitimate martial artist with your open mindset. I only ever sparred with padded sticks, using proper wood is mental!
I'd love to see you do something with the dog brothers.
They actually had one in these fights when I was fighting on a show
That’s so sick
@@SenseiSeth I’m trying to look to see if I can find it on RUclips
@@TheWillToFight posting a comment so I see your reply in case you post the video here :P
When I practiced armas regularly we used to say, "Lose your knife, lose your life." Seth won and his kali buddy felt some kind of way about it, so he gave Seth a stick hicky.
LOL I won’t entirely disagree with your comment, but I did have range when I “died” so meh…. But I definitely felt sucky about it and I may or may not have gave him a zebra stripe in reaction. 😂🙃
@@ilovebalintawak5740 In fencing good sportsmanship leads to success (and survival!) Thanks for replying.
Until he said "feeler and keeler" i didn't realise he was talking about THE Bobby Takaeda😂.
That stress talk advice was fucking amazing opened my eyes a bit not even lying.Thanks
Glad to help!
Glad to see some Kali sparring - we regularly do it (pre-covid) and will start that back up soon.
Oh snap! I put that hot water quote about the egg and potato in the discord
Wait did you really? When??
@@SenseiSeth I did! It was while ago. I've been slacking....
Shit, now I want to do Kali stick fighting. I can't afford all these damn schools lol
So far, from what I've seen about Kali here in youtube, it only ever comes in 2 flavors, messy fights and deadly and precise fights. In any case, thank you for this interesting video!
Finally, FMA is getting some representation - I always thought it was super underrated as a style and deserves a lot more attention in the mainstream martial arts community.
Did your instructor go through knife dueling, by any chance? The specific details might be changed a little bit, but the way I learned dueling with a knife was that you should hit the thing coming towards you (usually your opponent's knife stab or slash), almost like you're jabbing out the opponent's attack, and then just keep moving away. Then, if they try to attack again, repeat the process (attack the attack, backtrack). Or, if you don't want to fight with a knife, use a flexible fabric-like object (eg. jackets, blankets, towels), and use it to catch the knife, and then immediately move in for a 2-on-1 control over the knife arm. I ask because a similar overall strategy carries over to stick fighting as well (target the thing swinging at you and manage the distance).
Anyways, thanks, and good luck!
Yes! Thank you for this! I train Kali also and love that you did this!
Was a blast!
Awesome!! I train Balintiwak with Guru Belton who also trained with GM Bobby! So cool to see you do this!
Really interesting to see the balintawak method. Super different from the Lacoste and Illustrisimo methods I'm more familiar with.
Still lots of similar elements though and the sparring I can definitely see it's the same movements roughly with a different priority. Since you guys mostly sparred at largo/medio too the more uniquely balintawak stuff from earlier didn't come out as much. Really cool to see!
Just so every one here knows I only clicked just to make sure this guys came from a good teacher. Bobby is one of the best. Of all time. Maybe history. So I strongly approve this guy knows what he’s doing good technique not shaky at all so clean love this dude gona have to go check out some other stuff
Thanks bro! 🤙
Hema Next!!
Hey Sensei Seth! I'm an FMA/Kali instructor from Maine. You "played" very well. You should be proud. Peace!
Thanks a bunch! 🙏🙏
Good to see some Eskrima-Kali-Arnis.
“The same boiling water that softens the potato, hardens the egg.” Great quote!!!
Martial artist and therapist here. Thank you so much for talking about Eustress
when I was younger we had one of the squishy stick things, we called it the forget me stick🤣
Haha great name!
Loved this
You should try ATA Taekwondo Weapon Combat Sparring! We use those padded sticks
Number 1 rule in full go is never ever hesitate to hit your opponent
was not expecting an inspiring speech about stress, tnx sensei
Dang, I didn’t think that much about it, glad it had an impact!
The Ormaza! Lol that's my dude, I teach balintawak in Raleigh. Great content!!
My man! 🤙
Eyyyy, Filipino pride! Arnis/kali is one of the most effective form of marshall arts
I want to learn kali really badly. Not only it is a deadly art, it also continues to evolve
KICK Sensei! Do what you know! Much love, I really enjoyed that!
12:04 nice hit Sensei. 😉👍
Damn this video was really good! I learned of some kali in the past but I learned so much just watching
you and Alex! Can’t wait to see more
collabs.
Hey that’s awesome! What style you want next??
Watching the level of skill your fried have is very impressive
Especially his feints and fluid combos
I did Arnis for a little while 100 years ago. This video made me want to pick it up again.
Pick it up... cause it’s a stick?
@@SenseiSeth Hey-o!
Fun video. We've got two students going for their black belts in Modern Arnis this weekend and part of the promotion is live stick sparring. I will be sparring with both of them and am really looking forward to it.
The reason why FMA is not widely taught in the Philippines is that, The Filipino Moms don't want their kids learning how to block their broomstick strikes and flip-flop shuriken. Oh yeah, for added damage points them plastic hangers too!
I've been following both channels so I was shocked to know you are actually family friends.
Since birth for me!
Kaliiiiiii, aye ive been waiting for your input on Kali this surprised me
Happy to make it!
Oh man, long time viewer and I don't know how I missed seeing this when it came out! Great seeing more people try stick sparring, glad you enjoyed it, and pugay to the guro!
I just love how at the very beginning of the instruction, Seth just flat out drops his stick. That is basically rule one, don't drop your stick.
I really love kali. Been training in it for 6 years now. I started with fma Ray Dialdo then moved to arnis, and JKD. I still train JKD 3 times a week because of this stupid virus. Can't wait til everything opens back 100%
Fillipino martial arts are amazing you can defend yourself after a few weeks of training then you can study forever and never get bored.
Thanks for exposing Kali Seth. Hats off to you
I like how you described stress I usually just call it clench moments honestly it's probably when I feel the most alive
I'm impressed you got away with as few bruises as you did going that fast with wood and only gloves and a mask.
You guys were looking good oh, I really enjoyed watching you guys train. Miss you both so much look forward to seeing you guys again
I miss kali training. I only did a few classes, the class schedule didn't fit with my work schedule at the time, but I was able to learn a little bit, and even get some stick sparring in. Was a lot of fun.
Reminds me a lot of single stick sparring in HEMA
HEMA is cool for larping. Not actual self defense, sadly.
@@alvinsmith3894 So I'm guessing that you don't really know what HEMA is then?
First off I think that you have a misconception about HEMA, it's not just using longswords, it's an umbrella term for all Historical European Martial Arts and there are a fair few equally practical to Kali,
That being said neither are really all that practical for anything but recreational uses,
Let's start with Kali so you can quicker respond to me with "YoU'rE wRoNg AnD dOn'T kNoW wHaT yOuRe TaLkInG aBoUt!!!" without even reading the whole thing:
While Kali is a phenomenal, and really fun martial art but it's really only useful for improvisional weaponry usage, don't get me wrong, you could certainly beat someone up with rattan sticks, but there are far better tools out there for defending yourself, such as a gun, or pepper spray, which both do a far better job of protecting you, so the only real reason why you would have rattan sticks on you is because you think they're cool, which, in all fairness, they are,
The problem with them is that even if you do have them on you you'd still be a fool to chose using them over something that can instantly incapacitate/disable the opponent and has an extremely low skill entry barrier to use, such as the before mentioned pepper spray, just get the strongest variety that you can legally carry, spray it in someone's eyes if you're ever in trouble and run for your life, only a fool would chose to instead engage them in single combat with weapons that you need to enter the opponents range to use and that won't instantly put them out of the fight even if you do land a perfect headshot,
Then again if you're in your garage, some crazy person comes to attack you and you have a hammer within arms reach there's basically no better martial art than escrima for self defense,
That being said this is only in these kinds of scenarios and more often than not you'll be attacked out in the open with no improvisional weaponry to reach for and as I discussed earlier rattan sticks are really sub ideal self defense tools, training with them translates to being able to use anything that resembles a short stick but the odds are that you won't have anything like that within hands reach so frankly Boxing is way better for self defense than Kali,
Next is HEMA, again, HEMA is an umbrella term, since you seem to like sticks let's focus on Single Stick, a stick fighting discipline from HEMA, this is basically the same thing as Kali except instead of using 1 to 2 small to medium sized sticks it focuses on 1 medium to long length stick, seriously the techniques may be different, because you'd want to use a longer stick differently than you would a shorter one but the way you train and spar is more less identical to what they showed in this video, except without the foam training stick,
Anyway this suffers from the same exact problems as Kali, unless you have a stick on you, or something similar within arms reach it's not particularly useful,
I mean Kali has some unarmed striking, HEMA tends to have some grappling, but neither are really good when compared to the arts that specialize in it,
Single Stick specifically tho has something going for it that Kali doesn't, if you have a mobility impairment and are forced to use a cane then it's more less a perfect alternative to a Single Stick stick and is longer and heftier than a rattan stick so it's over all a better weapon, but not that many people walk around with a cane, even fewer that do Single Stick so it's really more of a theoretical application that only applies to extremely few people, same as being in the garage and being attacked while within an arms reach of a hammer or a similar weapon, but again, a gun and or pepper spray is a far better alternative in both cases,
As per improvisional weaponry usage both are pretty equal, which is more useful more/less depends on what's within an arms reach and since expendable batons, the only valid weapon that you could realistically carry with you for either (the weighted steel tip they tend to have, with a good blow to the head, could legitimately kill a man) come in a variety of sizes so some are easier to use with Arnis techniques and some with HEMA, one handed sword, ones so you can't even make a case for one being more practical than the other because you can carry a baton on you (which BTW is a good weapon but a horrible self defense tool),
And there are other styles of HEMA that are good for self defense too, and others that are not, there are some that are just flat out wrestling, good wrestling at that,
I know you like Kali and want to believe that it's the best thing ever but really if you properly understand what HEMA is then Kali is in no way inferior or superior to it for self defense, I think the thing that you were thinking of may have been stage fighting instead of HEMA,
But hey if you disagree feel free to tell me why as long as you use your big boy words and make an actual argument for your case, the kind that you could use at a debate club
Really interesting stuff! Happen to notice a couple of things:
- first is the move, from someone who doesn't understand anything martial art, reminded me of anti-riot police moves. Push punch, bash with shield, and baton hit if need to.
- second is "one arm high and one arm low" and sometimes switch between them. Maybe it is to confuse the target on where the strike will come and always keep head and torso covered.
Not bad at all. Your playing his game and by his rules. Well done Sensie Seth!
Really great video! I'm glad you enjoyed yourself. The Kali quality was excellent!!!!
Great vid.. glad you got by Alex's place! Miss both of ya!
Miss you too bro!
Good point about the function of stress. Also “You got my thumb!”, yeah I saw that coming.
In all that was a good informative video.
Glad to hear it!
I really miss training, kali was my church, my happy place, stick fighting is so fun and exciting
Id love to see some sparring with takedowns, locks, and kicks thrown in to! Thanks guys.
cricket batting gloves would be perfect
Been a “safe space Karate” and Kali practitioner I really enjoyed that. A little tip though which you probably learned anyway, you don’t want to be bringing your empty hand/arm up to cover your head. Fighters spot this and will draw your hand/arm up to hit as it has less padding. I learned this the hard way when I first started with lots of hand injuries 😂. It’s better utilised for parrying
Didn't expect a stress pep talk but super cool 👍🏽
And you picked a great style of FMA. Balintawak is a lot like boxing in many ways.
They take a lot from boxing!
@@SenseiSeth Basically fits with anyone who's done pretty much any striking art. Will you now train in balintawak every now and then?
@@SenseiSeth Also thanks about eustress, I knew beneficial stress was a thing but I never knew what it was called so I can read up about it
Every time you try a different martial art, I want to learn them all. Here in Argentina we have something called "Esgrima criolla". This martial art on the video remind me of it I don't know why.
Well, weapon fighting is weapon fighting. And since the Philippines was a spanish colony, another name we use for this fighting style IS "eskrima".
@@ponkhan Esgrima criolla was born from Esgrima española, so yes! It's probably they have a connection.
Ya just couldn't resist at 2:14 huh 😂
Hahahaha 😉
Very nice and quick jabs Seth!
HECK YEAH FMA!!! Great Video Sensei Seth!
For someone with a passing knowledge of basic longsword fencing it's interesting to see the similarities in basic strikes
Well fencing has influence in fma since the Spaniards has come here.
Alex is a very good Guro. Nice sparring. If Sensei Seth would like to explore more Filipino Martial Arts, he is welcome to visit us here in the Philippines. When visas are already OK and travelling are already allowed that is... COVID-19 sucks!
Thank you!
I instantly hit the like button when you started going all Dr. Phil on us
Damn this looks fun
That beginner level sparring is somewhat stressful to watch but glad you had a good time.