I bought bad drives AGAIN, let's check them out!
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- I don't know when I will stop!
Here's three lots of drives, two that were sold as bad, and one that was shipped insanely bad (not even in cardboard...)
One of them was really cheap and had SAS drives that I thought maybe the seller didn't know how to test, the other had an ALPS drive in it and was from the same seller as the bad lot that had the NECs in it. I didn't intend for the 4 SCSI Maxtor to be in this video but after I saw how they were packed I included them as I thought they would all be dead.
Turns out once again the results have been really amazing! I finally have a ALPS, I really like that Conner that I could fix as well as the other (Seagate branded) late Conner. I also got into SAS stuff thanks to the SAS drives in there. I'm really surprised that those 4 Maxtor drives did survive, that's insane.
drive: stuck
arnold: violently pushes the heads aside , also scraping the platters
drive: healthy no bads
I did it when the platters were spinning, I think if I did that without the platters spinning the heads probably would have damaged the platters, but here I guess they didn't (even though it didn't sound good tbh)
The magic of old disks :)
try that with a Seagate ST2000DM003 or a WD WD2000EFRX and you'll never see your data again :)
@@DigBipper188 I actually did it with 2 ST1000DM010s, both with stiction surprisingly. One worked perfectly (no bad sectors generated), one spun up but was racking bad sectors, meaning it was failing already before I got it.
@@NSHG RMA time then :)
Wow all of that went incredibly well! So glad that you got the SAS drives working too and now you can test them, I am curious if you plan on getting more of them in the future? That ALPS was sure nice too! I haven't been able to get one yet but maybe eventually when one shows up finally for the right price or in a lot. Thanks so much for showing the inside of the ST51080A! I really want one of those now haha. They are so weird and odd and I like that about them. Now maybe they aren't the most reliable drives, but hopefully I am able to get one that works! I love watching these and seeing how it goes, glad you do such a good job with the editing and the videos! Hopefully you do more : ))
Glad to see your content again, last time was 3 months
I think you saw the large lot of 38 drives didn’t you? The large lot was last month. Unless you mean bad drives? Obviously I can’t really get drives listed as bad all the time (there’s definitely not always lots like this that are either ultra cheap or very interesting to do this with)
Congratulations on 2000 Subscribers!
these hard drive collection are SO GOOD
i have started making my own collection!
Nice! Good luck with it :)
@@arnlol thank you!
I like those HP-branded Seagate Cheetah drives.
That quantum fireball sound brings back memories of when I was a kid.
Just went home and saw this
This video is good! I don't know why you don't have more subscribers.
Well, hard drive sounds is a really niche topic that most people will not care about. I actually think it's really quite good to have this many people that are watching the videos already :)
I know we discussed this before, but the Alps and Conner (the CP30104H) are so awesome to see working. For some reason I kept thinking the Maxtor's were SAS (like my own Atlas V), but being SCSI is really nice! I don't really know how this kept flying over my head before. Those 15K.7's also sound very nice for their modernity, the seektest of Seagate enterprise drives of that era is quite pleasant.
Nice video as usual :)
Yes I’m glad the Alps worked and the Conner could be fixed! I also really like the late (Seagate branded) Conner CABO, nostalgia might be paying a role in that but I really like they way the seeking sounds on it.
Yeah the Maxtor drives are SCA 80 pins SCSI, I guess they were some of the last before everything switched to SAS on server grade stuff. The seek test on these is really amazing.
It’s hard to realize how modern the 15k.7 are, they still have really loud seeking. I guess that shows how modern entreprise grade SAS drives are still interesting, compared to modern SATA drives which are often very quiet.
I’m glad that you liked the video, I don’t really know when I’ll get more lots to make videos on, I mean we both know about some drives I will get in the future but so far I’m not sure when and if other lots will be happening before these or not :)
Conner-made Seagate drives were always most interesting drives for me. I’ve had one in my original Pentium III PC ! (actually my first own PC), this was back in 2004 i think. The drive was a 2GB ST32122A. Sadly, it failed 10 years later and stopped working completely. Nowadays, it’s pretty hard to find the specific one (atleast in my country). Greetings
I do have a ST32122A but it has bad sectors though. I really like the sounds of the drives with that design. I think older drives are getting harder to find pretty much everywhere... As some people continue to put machines to ewaste with still working vintage drives in them :(
yeah I like to secure erase them with hdparm sometimes that brings them back, sometimes if you cant get them to spin up its because they're configured for power on in standby mode and you need to send it a wakeup
these are all super old though
I bought an immaculate 7500/100 Power PC Macintosh that came with an ST39140N Seagate Medalist Pro 9140 9.1GB 7200RPM Ultra SCSI 50-Pin Hard Drive and it's so quiet I'd swear it was brand new! Seagate claim 800,000 Hours MTBF on this drive and it can run at an ambient of 70C without losing that MTBF claim. That's 114 years!!!! And it's rated at 3.9 bels so would explain why I can barely hear it spinning but the write and seeking noises are the finest I have heard from any hard drive. Not too noisy but still so enjoyable. I am running BlueSCSI V2's now to save my vintage drives for the future.
I have a drive from the same series but it is 4.3GB (and has a few bad sectors). The spindle indeed is really quiet and the seeking sounds really good. I don't know how the MTBF of drives is calculated, but I do not really believe hard drives could run 24/7 for so long with no isses honnestly.
Vendor-provided MTBF value doesnt mean what you described here.
I thought your claim far fetched, so checked.
Maximum drive cover (not ambient, drive) temperature must not exceed 50c to maintain MTBF rating.
70c is max non-operating storage temperature.
@@arnlol Oh there are many that are 1,000,000 hours MTBF Most of the recent drives since they became quite affordable are now 50,000 hours MTBF. This is the reason these 30-40 year old drives are still operating in fairly reasonably large numbers. QUALITY!
@@ricsip I know.
Tja, so war das früher, die hast am Sound deiner HD gehört, ob alles soweit in Ordnung war.
That Caviar 2120 said "BS" on it, which means Bad Sectors, so I'm surprised you only got 38 bad sectors across the drive.
Well it said bad sectors and it had bad sectors, I think most people would consider drives with bad sectors to be bad drives, even if the number of bad sectors is just 1. For my collection I really do not care at all, though obviously if a drive has no bad it’s better.
Wanna know why hard drives have a 2-5% Failure rate. Cuz they're called "bad hard drives" all of them will Either click their heads on the spindle or on the auto park spot. or their PCBs die or go bad or the pins for the connectors on the PCB are bent. Or the heads on the Platters get stuck. This is why I don't like Mechanical Hard Drive's. They are slow and make me really impatient every time I turn my Dell Optiplex 390 on. The Hitachi HDS721050CLA362 will take a long time to load windows 10.
I mean i've burned through about 7 SSDs in just a few years... And only 2 hard drives, One being a poor quality Seagate and the other was a laptop drive abused by being shoved into a desktop running 24/7 for at least a year. Also a Dell Optiplex 390 should be upgraded with a new drive by now as Hitachi not only hasn't made HDDs since 2012, but also around 10 years it the limit for most consumer modern drives. That thing is also quite slow at only 100MB/s and about 28MB/s random while a newer 2019 4TB WD Ultrastar you can pick up for about 70$ will easily hit 250MB/s and 58MB/s random.
@@windisk1112 mine came in September 2010, which is the same month and year my brother is born.
And yes I don't know how the drive I have didn't die for it's 10-year limit. The first time I got my Dell Optiplex 390 for Christmas 2021 and the drive itself is 11 years old. 13 years old and is already giving me troubles. 1 S.M.A.R.T error and that's It.
@@MrIzaiah2007YT Wanna a secret? Use FWB drivers. Either way I have 40 year old hard drives in my collection that are not even noisy and suffer no stiction and have zero bad blocks.
Good quality hard drives will come with a MTBF of 800,000 - 1,000,000 hours . The cheap ones are rated at 50,000 hours MTBF and that's the majority that are sold to the public. Hence where the 10 year max life reference comes from. Enterprise drives will easily last 3-4 decades and beyond.
I have so much fun watching your hard drive testing vids that I decided to buy a bad lot of them myself---should have them in a week or so. I'd say you got a very good deal. I'm guessing you bought them from different countries, as the ones that had 95/98 on them were French versions, and XP/7 were English versions
Good luck with the lot! I actually did the OS installs on all the drives expect the 2 SAS ones (to save time), I just happen to have a mix of French and English Windows installers. But the drives indeed came from different countries, the lot with the ALPS was from Germany, the others from France.
Great video. The Seagate Medallist sounds amazing, the two SAS drives are like a vacuum cleaner.
Thanks! Yeah the SAS drives actually make quite a lot of "air" noise
The HP SAS drives probably came from HP ProLiant server, as servers is where you normally find SAS drives.
I'm not sure but maybe? Though they ran Windows 7, not Windows server hmm. I beleive these two were in a raid 1 array, they have pretty much the same number of hours
More HDD noises, me happy 😁
BTW, do you have any bad Seagate ST351A/X with a good logical board? I have 2 of them from my childhood but one has a bad board with a blown Cirrus Logic chip (a nice hole on top), I would like to get it working again but I can't find the chip or the board. Thanks.
I have only come across a single ST351A/X, and it is fully functional and part of the collection. So yeah no I do not have any PCBs for one of these. Sadly these drives are often very expensive and so far I have never seen one being part of a lot that I realistically could get.
@@arnlol yeah, I like these drives a lot and were part of my childhood, the sound is very nice and nostalgic. I will continue my search for a logic board 😁
Were Quantums so bad? I have an old Fireball from 2000,20GB capacity with 3 years of total power on hours. No bad or reallocated sectors,works just fine
I don't really know which drives were better or worse than others honestly (aside from some well known ones like the 75GXP). So yeah I don't think Quantums were particularily bad (nor better than others)
13:10 I have one too. Works great, no bad sectors.
Nice! These definitly aren't the most common drives you can find
How are you able to read SCSI disks? I had an old SCSI disk that I wanted to try and re-use but have no idea how to use it with anything, since anything I've dealt with is only IDE or SATA - not SCSI (or SAS).
Well you need a SCSI controller and cable and maybe an adapter depending on the connector that is on the drive and on your controller. Most controllers have a BIOS that detects the drive and allows it to be used in operating systems.
I Also miss single disk vídeo testing
I must say I have a bit of an issue, I just don't feel motivated to edit the videos. I have multiple raw single drives recordings that I never edited (some of them are over 1 years old).
I got a free "broken" hard drive that was just unpartitioned
Yeah sometimes people do not know how that stuff works
@@arnlol yeah the drive is perfectly fine
13:18 This drive sounds very nice!
Yes it does, it also happens to be quite uncommon, I'm really glad it worked.
10:15 so this one is even worse then the 21200 that had the major bad sector problems that could still boot Windows 95?
Yes it freezes when you try to read from it, so it's done for.
What do you expect from a hitachi travelstar
Well I mean, it worked so... Of the laptop drives I was more surprised by the Toshiba that is really slow for a 100GB drive.
But why do you need so many of them?
I don’t really *need* them, I just want them because I like how they look and sound, and I enjoy testing them. It’s pretty much like any collector getting new pieces for their collections, what I’m collecting happens to be old hard drives.
@@arnlol I also have around 100 in my collection... including MFM drives
Are you booting from the hard drives?
Hmm very nice haul
Yes it went really well!
Wait. what exactly happened to that WD and that seagate-branded conner?
The WD would re-do its seektest and freeze on any read, and the Seagate was unable to do any kind of writes and MHDD showed pretty much the entire surface as IDNF.
@@arnlol The WD drive is probably a goner unless it's a PCB-related issue, and the seagate probably degraded too much, or a pcb issue too. The more I think of it maybe the seagate has had a pcb swap? because it definently shouldn't be detected as a conner drive. You should totally try a pcb swap on the WD tho. maybe it'll work
Also, what does IDNF exactly indicate on the MMHD surface scan?
@@mikixyz123 I tried a PCB swap on both and that didn’t help.
No the Seagate/Conner does have its original PCB, it’s just a very early exemple of one of these. I’ll be honest I did not know these could be detected as Conner before I got that one. I assumed these were Seagate drives based on a Conner design, but I guess these still were straight up a Conner drive, just very late ones.
@@mikixyz123 IDNF is one of the error status that a drive can report, which means the drive did not find the sector that was requested.
Speaking of Mhdd reports, what do the other besides UNC (Uncorrectable/Bad) mean?
How's your day
Well I was waiting for a temporary server to open on a game I play, which it did shortly after I posted this video, so it was great! Also the video worked pretty well it looks like which is nice :)
Hello god night.
Oh hi
Text is completely annoying white on mostly white on wider shots also duration on screen , having to pause to read ... edit better
Well the text is wite with a black border so that it's readable, I think changing the text color to not always be the same would be wierd. Now yes some of the texts are probably too short, I try to make them long enough but it's hard to judge especially as everyone doesn't read at the same speed, also on the opened drives I didn't want the text to hide the heads moving.
Or you can learn to read faster 😍
very cool, i so happy to see new video :D
those SAS Seagates looking exactly like mine, but without HP label
Hope you like it! :)
@@arnlolalways like it :D