Awesome! I'll be running in them coming weekend already for my next half marathon. Looking forward to (hopefully) crush my PB. You said at 5:04 that it's super squishy soft - I disagree actually. It's hella bouncy, but squishy? Did you mean that, or am I missing something?
I need a new pair of running shoes and would like to switch to altra. I train athletics 3 times a week, with an focus on sprint training. For pure sprint we do put on spikes, but the shoes I am looking for must be able to handle up to 5km but more importantly be able to handle fast paces to sprint. I do want some cushioning so the escalante is not the ideal choice. I was wondering if you recommend the vanish carbon or vanish tempo? And wich from the 2 would you recommend the most?
I really wish someone made a carbon plated non-super-cushioned racing shoe. I'm already 6ft4, the last thing I want it to be stabding on stilts and detatched from the road surface. I wish I could get the 22mm stack Escalante Racer with a carbon plate
I'm in the same boat. I got the Rivera 2. where my metatarsal meets my tarsal joint on my pink toe. That part was jutting out of the material. It looked like a growth. The rest of the shoe fit fine. I'm still gonna try these and size up a little.
Compared to other altras, does this run small? I am a 10.5 mostly, but with the torin 5/6 I sized up to 11. But am a comfortable 10.5 in the escalante racer.
Hi Steve, did Zach Bitter mention anything about wearing this shoe for any of his 100 mile stuff? I'm a little curious about the things he said. Wasn't that long ago where he was running in the vanish-r, solstice, and Escalante racers. This shoe has much different dimensions to it! I might be sold on this shoe. I'm very curious.. I wear barefoot and minimalist shoes because I think they're great for form but I think a shoe like this would work because how running form seems to find itself at faster paces. I think your review just sold me on it though. I think I'll have to pick it up!
Hi! I just ordered these and will be breaking them in for approx 40 miles before my half in May. I train in Hoka Clifton’s and have not run in zero drop shoes, ever. Do you think this transition 2ish weeks before my race will be problematic? Thank you so much!
@@rosesinclair9289 If you have typically worn high drop shoes, you might notice some soreness in your calves the first couple of runs, but that is not really breaking in a shoe, more about adjusting your muscles.
If that is something you are used to, it would probably translate well to this shoe since it has such a soft meshy upper and heel. But, like with every shoe, you would probably need to get used to that first if that's not something you typically do.
@@RunMoore a more serious question though. I wear US7.5 in the Rivera and it fits me well, especially the Rivera 2. I see the Vanish C won't come in US7.5 do you think your suggestion to size up applies even when comparing to what is supposed to be a similar fit/last?
@@gabbechico8471 Normally I would agree, but I know they are loosing a large amount of doctor referral busy not having any lift. At least on a few models. Also, they are no longer using the name "zero drop" on any marketing or detailed info on their shoes anymore.
@@PLANETWATERMELON may I ask why did altra got doctor referrals in the first place then? I don’t see any advantages besides wide toe box and zero drop.
I don't have an issue with the heel lock in the Vanish Carbon. The heel cup is similar to the MB, but a little better designed IMHO. Still very flimsy and unsupported, but does keep the heel in place.
Hey Steve, I love running in my Altras but I also like running in Pumas. Have you considered carrying them in your store? When it comes to plated shoes, the Deviate Nitro $160 and the Deviate Nitro Elite $200 are cheaper than Altra racing shoes. No 0 drop, but their toe box is quite accommodating. Promoting a mid to forefoot strike with their more flatter geometry plus more ground feel. They feel more natural than the super shoes out there that are built on a more rocker technology. Their Puma grip outsole also looks to outlast anything else in its class. Alot of running stores in my area and outlets on the web are not carrying Puma and perhaps Puma is the one that's making that difficult because of the availability of some of their models can be scarce. But either way it's a shame because their putting out a very fine product.
I normally take 8.5 UK size in the Altras, but for the Rivera shoe, which is a narrower fit I went for size 9, to give me the width I need. I wonder if the same would apply to the Vanish Carbon.
@@lyrilljackson My understanding is that the carbon plate in the R was much more like a strike plate rather than the curved shape that the super shoes have.
@@RunMoore what if i buy this just as a 2016 altra fan (for biking with flat pedals initially mostly) just to brag about the altra tribe evangelica while walking around lol. (oh and staying at home. I don't like slippers)
Hey Steve idk if you’ll see this or any other supporter can help in comments I love running but my knee has been killing me it would mean the world to me if you can recommend a shoe for me
Nice flex “oh I was talking to Zach bitter about the shoe” dropped so casually. Awesome video!
Thank you for watching!
Busting out the formal wear for this review. Love it.
The tuxedo t-shirt comes out for special occasions!
Awesome! I'll be running in them coming weekend already for my next half marathon. Looking forward to (hopefully) crush my PB.
You said at 5:04 that it's super squishy soft - I disagree actually. It's hella bouncy, but squishy? Did you mean that, or am I missing something?
Maybe it needs 6 flat pace to feel soft 🤣
Super intrigued and excited by this shoe. Can’t wait to get this on my feet!
We are excited too, thanks for watching!
Exciting! Will the Tempo have the same Slim fit?
I need a new pair of running shoes and would like to switch to altra. I train athletics 3 times a week, with an focus on sprint training. For pure sprint we do put on spikes, but the shoes I am looking for must be able to handle up to 5km but more importantly be able to handle fast paces to sprint. I do want some cushioning so the escalante is not the ideal choice. I was wondering if you recommend the vanish carbon or vanish tempo? And wich from the 2 would you recommend the most?
I really wish someone made a carbon plated non-super-cushioned racing shoe. I'm already 6ft4, the last thing I want it to be stabding on stilts and detatched from the road surface. I wish I could get the 22mm stack Escalante Racer with a carbon plate
How wide does it feel in the midfoot? Narrower than anything else they have? Any models seem like they fit similar?
Excited about this one. I hope that it feels better than the Carbon X2.
It feels much better than Carbon X
Hi Steve,. would you say this shoe is the same width as the Rivera? The Rivera was too narrow for me. The regular Torin is my sweet spot.....
It is the same category width as the Rivera, but I think it fits a little wider, partially due to the more forgiving upper material.
I'm in the same boat. I got the Rivera 2. where my metatarsal meets my tarsal joint on my pink toe. That part was jutting out of the material. It looked like a growth. The rest of the shoe fit fine. I'm still gonna try these and size up a little.
@@swings1940 The Rivera definitely also runs short, so sizing up a half to a whole size is a good idea.
I have altra lone peak 6 @ size EU42.5. For the vanish carbon should I purchase EU42.5 or EU43? Thanks
Great review, is the fit narrow like the Rivera? When is the non plated version out? Price?
Yes. It’s on the Slim last.
When can we expect the Vanish Tempo?
May
Compared to other altras, does this run small? I am a 10.5 mostly, but with the torin 5/6 I sized up to 11. But am a comfortable 10.5 in the escalante racer.
Yes, I find it runs small/narrow compared to the Escalante racer.
Hi Steve, did Zach Bitter mention anything about wearing this shoe for any of his 100 mile stuff? I'm a little curious about the things he said. Wasn't that long ago where he was running in the vanish-r, solstice, and Escalante racers. This shoe has much different dimensions to it! I might be sold on this shoe. I'm very curious.. I wear barefoot and minimalist shoes because I think they're great for form but I think a shoe like this would work because how running form seems to find itself at faster paces. I think your review just sold me on it though. I think I'll have to pick it up!
Zach won 2021 Jackpot 100 in it and also ran in it for the speed project last weekend
@@kylenorthrop8735 awesome, thanks Kyle!
@@kylenorthrop8735 yeah and they lost to....which team? oh right, oncloud. their shoes look stupid
I hope it will be available in enough small female sizes and available in Europe. I was starting to look somewhere else... exciting!
Hopefully! Thanks for watching
Looks nice! I'll probably try it eventually...but not quite yet.
It is definitely a shoe that is worth trying!
Hi! I just ordered these and will be breaking them in for approx 40 miles before my half in May.
I train in Hoka Clifton’s and have not run in zero drop shoes, ever. Do you think this transition 2ish weeks before my race will be problematic?
Thank you so much!
It shouldn't be, these are specifically racing shoes so they require very little "break-in" period.
@@RunMoore thank you! Even if I’ve never run in zero drops before?
@@rosesinclair9289 If you have typically worn high drop shoes, you might notice some soreness in your calves the first couple of runs, but that is not really breaking in a shoe, more about adjusting your muscles.
Thanks for the review, do you think these shoes can be run in with no socks? Thanks
If that is something you are used to, it would probably translate well to this shoe since it has such a soft meshy upper and heel. But, like with every shoe, you would probably need to get used to that first if that's not something you typically do.
@@RunMoore thanks yes I may use them for triathlon
@@eddiehirst6413 Good luck!
And the embargo lifts!
That got a chuckle
@@RunMoore just need the stores in the UK to decide which date they will stick to and I'll be getting an order in. Thanks for the video guys!
@@RunMoore a more serious question though. I wear US7.5 in the Rivera and it fits me well, especially the Rivera 2. I see the Vanish C won't come in US7.5 do you think your suggestion to size up applies even when comparing to what is supposed to be a similar fit/last?
Hey guys. Any thoughts on the comparison to the Rivera and sizing?
@@SpikeBrookes87 The Rivera runs small, but the Vanish has been running more true to size. They are comparable in width, however.
Looks great, especially the tempo version. So, no chance of a none zero drop Altra? I have an odd feeling there might be some one day.
That would change the whole company if they start doing shoes whit drops even 1mm
@@gabbechico8471 Normally I would agree, but I know they are loosing a large amount of doctor referral busy not having any lift. At least on a few models. Also, they are no longer using the name "zero drop" on any marketing or detailed info on their shoes anymore.
As of now, Altra does not have any plans to stray away from zero drop!
@@PLANETWATERMELON may I ask why did altra got doctor referrals in the first place then? I don’t see any advantages besides wide toe box and zero drop.
@@xu5949 the toe box in itself is a good enough reason.
Gotta skip the narrow. I hope escalate 3 is a new wider WIDE. Thank you.
how's the heel lock in the shoe? They kind of missed it in the Mont Blanc so need to know if this heel is the same or has some structure to it? Thanks
I don't have an issue with the heel lock in the Vanish Carbon. The heel cup is similar to the MB, but a little better designed IMHO. Still very flimsy and unsupported, but does keep the heel in place.
Hey Steve, I love running in my Altras but I also like running in Pumas. Have you considered carrying them in your store? When it comes to plated shoes, the Deviate Nitro $160 and the Deviate Nitro Elite $200 are cheaper than Altra racing shoes. No 0 drop, but their toe box is quite accommodating. Promoting a mid to forefoot strike with their more flatter geometry plus more ground feel. They feel more natural than the super shoes out there that are built on a more rocker technology. Their Puma grip outsole also looks to outlast anything else in its class. Alot of running stores in my area and outlets on the web are not carrying Puma and perhaps Puma is the one that's making that difficult because of the availability of some of their models can be scarce. But either way it's a shame because their putting out a very fine product.
Unfortunately, a lot of larger brands are not open to working with local businesses, but we will keep that in mind.
How about the stiffness of the carbon plate vs a Nike Fly 4, a Vaporfly or a Hoka Carbon for example?
Because the carbon plate in this shoe is pronged, the shoe has little more flexibility than other carbon racers.
I normally take 8.5 UK size in the Altras, but for the Rivera shoe, which is a narrower fit I went for size 9, to give me the width I need. I wonder if the same would apply to the Vanish Carbon.
We have had people size up in the VC for width reasons.
@@RunMoore thanks, I am guessing the Rivera and VC are pretty similar shape wise.
@@martinkelsen6049 Yes, they are similar shapes
@@martinkelsen6049 Similar, the Riveras seem to be just a smidge wider.
when will the vanish tempo be released?
We have it ready for preorder in our online store now! We have physically received quite a few shoes already :)
Any murmurs of bringing some of the classic vanish line back like the XC?
vanish R has the carbon plate full. with see through blocks. xc was like a stream xsing shoe lol. I do hope there is a super do it all shoe tho.
@@lyrilljackson My understanding is that the carbon plate in the R was much more like a strike plate rather than the curved shape that the super shoes have.
@@SkylerTanner ye. i want intuition back tho
what about midsole durability for the tempo? 200miles?
It is expected to have less midsole durability than a trainer, somewhere in the range of 100-250 racing miles.
@@RunMoore what if i buy this just as a 2016 altra fan (for biking with flat pedals initially mostly) just to brag about the altra tribe evangelica while walking around lol. (oh and staying at home. I don't like slippers)
@@lyrilljackson Sounds like a plan! XD
Hey Steve idk if you’ll see this or any other supporter can help in comments I love running but my knee has been killing me it would mean the world to me if you can recommend a shoe for me
Knee pain can mean many different things, it would help to know what shoe you run in now so I can make a recommendation.
@@RunMoore I currently run in a Nike Pegasus 38 believe I need a wider bottom
@@reelinwithj.c4349 Likely you need a little stability as well, something like a Brooks Launch GTS or New Balance 860
@@RunMoore thank you so much keep up the work on RUclips we watching 🤘🏼
2:05 sad that this aged badly
haha can they make them more unnatural