There is something magically wholesome about every video you guys do. This is father son action at its best. Really liked seeing the camera man in front of the camera as well! Super excited to see what projects you guys put out this year. Also love the collabing with LTT!
I agree..... The only down side I was concerned about in this video from the starting is that we are gaining computer performance at cost of a quiter working environment but I am sure, certain additional adjustments to the aircondition would help solve the problem... cheers
One question: why not use the exhaust air from the PC as input into the air conditioner? Most of the air would remain in this cycle, and it would become increasingly cold, dry, and filtered.
Looks like a fun idea. But does it make financial sense to buy last year's computer and overclock it. Instead of just buying a more efficient part in the beginning. In summer poor man's ground source heatpump could do the job. In winter heat exchange from outside air could do as well with a simple fan. I rather heat the room and water with waste heat from computing instead of heating the atmosphere.
@@ArthursHD You're missing the point of overclocking. It is *NOT* assuming that you have to buy last year's components, or anything like that. This method for OCing could be applied to a 12 year old original generation Core i7 CPU based machine or the absolute latest Comet Lake / AMD Ryzen 9 5950X based machines. I'm betting that they simply used the machine they have on hand to conduct the tests, versus building a brand new machine just for this exercise. I built a rig last year - Ryzen 9 3950X, 128 GB of 3600 MHz DDR4, 3x 1 TB NVMe PCIe 4 drives, with several (other) bells and whistles, on the MSI X570 GODLIKE mobo. In June it was a mighty fine system. 6 months alter and it's 'old' - but I didn't build it old. That's just the nature of technology - it gets old, quickly. Think Moore's law. As for your other points - your locale will probably have something to do with that. Simple use of electricity will not always directly contribute to heating the atmosphere. And newer technological components are not always more efficient - especially when it comes to power consumption.
I just have to say, in it's "genre", this channel has the best videos on all of youtube. Don't want to go in all the details, just finished watching this video and HAD TO say that :)
The LTT collab was awesome but after seeing this I think these two and GN could spend a month together and make the ultimate crosssover project. It would not be for everyone but for those of us that are into both would go crazy!
I'm currently working on a project, in which I build some lab-equipment from parts that I salvaged from an assortment of computers that some local company had dumped on a local scrapyard. I frankly haven't even thought about overclocking in years. But I might try your methods on some of my scrap computers and maybe get a little more out of them :D. Anyway: Nice to see you back with a long format video! Love your stuff.
OC on an AMD System is only worth with continous loads like compressing a video over a long time or extreme renderings. The boost gives more performance with single/ light threadding tasks. There are a few boards (crosshair dark for example) that are capable of switching betreen all core oc and boost. All core gives you better perf with long running tasks - boost more with all day usage. On intel this is allmost the same nowerdays but really depends on your system - older ones profit of oc - newer same as amd for me oc is allmost dead unless u use heavy tasks for a long duration - due to competition between amd and intel the cpus does all what you want autiomaticaly and better than you could do it by trying to overclock them manually i build over 3000 systems over the last 10 years and tested/benched all of them anyways keep up the good work and - ich mag Deine Videos #Inventor ;)
Right? Talk about hitting the dad lottery! I hope he doesn't squander it, while simultaneously not crumbling under the weight of his fathers monumental shadow.
14:50 "Keeps a little bit of noise down". Especially relevant when it sits right next to the freaking air conditioner. Also as for comparison: adding some temperature response graphs would add some important visual cues, like one for stock cooling, conditioner cooling, overclocked conditioner cooling.
Since the system is colder it should use a bit less power at the same frequency. I would like to see a comparison of power consumption at the maximum non-AC overclock.
What a phenomenal presentation, and really takes me back... back... back to the early 1990s, overclocking my Celeron C300A to 464Mhz,, routing some “modified” shop vac hoses through a big picnic cooler partially filled with saltwater and ice, the hoses with small aluminum fins zip-tied to the hoses, laying in and passing through the saltwater, a fan blowing into the two hoses, and their outlets aimed at the cpu heatsink. Everyone thought I’d lost my marbles. Come to think of it, I never found them, and continue to leave a trail along my life path. Thank you U.S. Navy for my 10-year career (74-84) in steam plant propulsion engineering, allowing me to learn the principles of thermodynamics, heating and air conditioning, heat exchangers, etc etc etc. Truly a pleasure watch, and connecting to your videos.
Well deserved. There are _very_ few youtube channels at the standard of Tech Ingredients. Just wish they had the time/resources to do more of the same...
I've seen projects where people have taken AC units or fridges and turned them into phase change coolers. That's much more direct cooling, and can get to 2-10°c continuously under load, which is great for hardcore overclocking.
As a non-native english speaker, who reads lots of books and 100% of the media I consume are in english, I have never heard that word before. Always fun when that happens :D
Love this! About the RAM, with Ryzen you might actually want to enable XMP (or go to 3300/3600 MHz), as its clock speed is directly tied to the CPU's infinity fabric clock speed, which is basically the BUS that lets the cores communicate with each other. Because of that, a higher RAM clock speed will give you better CPU results!
there are many wrong things there. 3800/4000 Mhz ram is the top achivable with a Ryzen. And that Ryzen 3800X has an T too much in the name that adds nothing to the X except price. With cheaper ram perhaps a 3900X would be in there for the same price.
@@marsovac Yeah not sure why he didn't buy some CL 16 3600 Mhz RAM, the timings on the Samsung B-die kits are super tight and when combined with the frequency give the kit way more performance relative to price than some insane 4000+ Mhz kit.
Not to double comment but this is by far my favorite channel from the sole reason of I never know what topic is next, and it's always so informative yet equally entertaining!
Another great topic. This channel feels like a combination of the Red Green show and Bill Nye the Science Guy, just focused mostly on modern tech advancements. Someone else commented about "post apocalyptic" stuff, made me think of a hard drive or w/e media device crammed full of all your videos as being a great addition to any bug out bag
I wish I had half the brains you and your son have lol. Now don't get me wrong. As a 25plus year automotive tech and shop owner, I can diag a vehicle tear it down and put it back together with no problem BUT the overall wealth of knowledge you 2 have is astounding. I applaud you!!!! I ALSO THANK YOU!!!
Brilliant! There're millions of servers owners, that would be VERY interested in EVERY KIND of EFFICIENT heat management. An original, sustainable and truly full approach (passive + active) for "The ultimate cooling system for servers" it's a success-guaranteed product/vídeo. Congratulations for all yours videos. Excellent work. Keep Rocking!
Hi. You should also send your homemade thermal paste to Gamers Nexus. If they make a video about it, they are probably going to make a much more in depth testing video about it than LTT 🙂
@@TechIngredients LTT and Gamer Nexus are good for the views. The only guy that knows his stuff thou is Buildzoid from Actually Hardcore Overclocking. He is the one to test your paste out. He does work for GN sometimes. He is the "hired brains" behind them. Plus don't forget to sent to Hardware Unboxed. They have a good team as well. And of course let's not forget Der8auer !!! He is the master of them all. If he tests your paste and finds it good, you better find some factory to produce it... He also knows how to commercialize a product- he's made a name and sells his own stuff. I couldn't think of a more deserving channel for something like that than yours guys. Keep up the good job.
@@harrybelele GN are the only ones with a proper cooling test setup that could show fine differences between thermal compounds. Buildzoid is cool and all but he doesnt have the equipment, or the motivation most likely, to test something like this. He's just the expert for Power delivery systems and LN2 Overclocking.
Honestly, I was considering this for a homestead with an air-conditioner unit and the pc having their noise entirely neutralized through baffling and other means in order to create a silent overclocked rig, but I wasn't certain on the specifics of how it would work, or research. Glad to see this is a first step toward making that actually feasible, since you already got it to do what I was aiming for mostly!
Good I found this video. I was looking at the Phanteks P600S as my choice of case for my build! Appreciate having RUclipsrs feature stuff I plan to get.
I'm excited to see that testing setup you have for the thermal pastes/grease. I'm also excited to see LTT working with you guys! Two of my favorite channels working together =D
When I was an IT tech in a tropical town, we had to have a protocol for working on the servers. If we just turned off the AC in the cabinet then took them out onto the bench, they'd collect condensation from the humid air (even inside the air conditioned office). We had to let the temperature equalise between the cabinet and the rest of the office.
People who can't appreciate this channel, should go home and rethink their lives. My Japanese wife says (listening from the other room) "ah is that the main presenter again? - he is spot on". I have tried to introduce the channel to many people - and they are like "don't care about epoxy" or "Drones" and I am like I don't care about toilets but they are pretty handy. As feedback - I think your sons have so much to give. Alex was clearly in his comfort zone with regards to overclocking. I thought he did an excellent job at explaining it all, with a great introduction by you. Where as not so much with regards to your HS camera. I am not an idiot, I know your sons have a great part in your channel. I love the way you introduce them gradually - you guys are lucky to have each other. Seriously I just love the the way "main presenter speaks" It is just captivating. I've worked as a professional system integrator designing home entertainment systems, while cooling was not critical it was certainly a concern. I don't believe people will build a PC to game on in the future, nor for a powerful back-end. As such , PC's and overclocking is a matter of workstations, but then we are looking at other builds than Linus's stuff . I know you want to get hits and realize that Linus-tech-talks has some pull, but at this point he seems a lot like a tool to me. Last time you hit him up - it was like he did not really understand your claims...
Reminds me of late 90's LAN party. Everyone sweating caffeine and popping breakers in an effort to win a swag Razor Boomslang mouse while deathmatching Quake2.
This is one of the very best STEM channels on youtube. I haven't seen a single video of yours that wasn't excellent, and on an interesting topic. Thanks for all the work that goes into this.
Honest to God I thought this was Gamers Nexus video by the thumbnail and video length! Funnily enough I am building a hermetic PC chassis to phase change cool my pc!
Gamer Nexus are good on reporting. Whatever projects they do are laughable most times. These guys here are the closest you can get to science on youtube. No comparison.
@@harrybelele You underestimate the work they put into getting rugged numbers. Their side-projects are to keep the less technically minded people there from the project that is rugged benchmarking.
I just want to tell you how much I appreciate what you're doing here. You've got to be one of if not the most intelligent person on the internet sharing your knowledge of the coolest subjects ever. Thank you tech ingredients!
This is a great channel, it takes all os my interest areas in one place. Thank you. You could send this thermal compound to Steve on Gamers nexus he is very interested in thermal compounds. Keep doing this great work, and thank you again.
I think I end up writing the same comment every time, but I truly love every single video you make. I wish I could get to meet you in person some day because It has literally always been my dream to be exactly where you are at in life by the time I get to be your age. I want to get to spend every bit of my free time just tinkering with whatever happens to catch my attention that particular day, for no other reason than I think it sounds cool! You're my inspiration to keep trying to get there. Thank you, and please don't stop!
I'd be curious to see the AC combined with the chiller loop. AC can prevent condensation and the chiller loop will give max performance. That is, if the chiller loop is actually cooling below what the current water-loop cools to with the AC blowing through it.
Ya, be careful. The safety factor with the airconditioner is that it's dew point MUST be below its output temperature, but not the operating temperature of a series chiller.
I was a submarine sonar tech and most of our equipment was cooled by eafw (electronic auxiliary fresh water) and the heat exchangers were in the engine room and used seawater. Well once we started doing more missions were the water was hot (90f)sit,that a chill water mod was added to one heat exchanger to get chill water from one of the running r114 units. Cool video!
Tech Dad is a tough act to follow, but Tech Son does a wonderful job. There is almost no difference in the presentation. Looks like Tech Ingredients is going to be continuing for another generation!
As a 'Vegas' man, I would lay 8 to 5 odds in favor of this same manner of your way of thinking was pervasive throughout Germany during the earlier part of the last century. The idea of looking at things and saying, "hey is there a better way?" should be promoted at every level in society, including how we think of each other. I edify you.sir, I do. By the way, as a student attending UCB long ago, most of my class were bored with themal dynamics...oh, and probabilities and statistics. Not I. Great demonstrations, sir. And greater than 8 tlo 5 odds I click the subscribe button as well...
Interesting video as always! And also quite applicable! I left comments on the patreon community page and in previous RUclips videos about two project suggestions. One being a DIY HVAC (heat exchange ventilation), which would fit in your series on air conditioning, and since it gets quite cold in New England it is a good environment to test it out and make practical use of it. The other being a DIY 3 laser movie projector with DMDs, as a "worlds best projector" in analogy to the best sound system. Would very much appreciate if to hear if you find these ideas interesting and/or viable. Thanks again!
Love the vid! I'm subscribed for about 3 years. And every time there is a new video, I actually learn something new! Which is quite amazing. Since you are covering neat stuff that Linus, Jay, Gamer Nexus and other channels aren't covering at all.
@@PaulDominguez I never had any issues with condensation. I guess when it warmed back up the air coming into the case would bring some moisture but I wouldn't expect it to be enough to cause issues and I never had any.
@@PaulDominguez unless you were turning it off and on 20 times a day, i can’t see that small amount of condensation that could appear as it’s warming up again causing any issues
I used a free standing AC back in 2007, to over clock the SLI system I had back then, and it really worked great! Because the hot air was being vented out the window via the duct, I used it for hours of over clocking fun, LOL! Glad to see someone doing this!
After learning more about heat pumps and air conditioning etc I was wondering if you could cool a whole PC with a wall AC. At first all I could find on RUclips was people using it to cool a liquid cooling loop for the CPU. Now this method of yours is much more useful and interesting and what I was imaging. Not to mention it's doable for really anyone. Good job you have got yourself a new subscriber
Thanks. I agree and in addition if the exhaust is diverted out a window as these airconditioners were designed to do, the over capacity will also cool the room, remove humidity and are just as effecient as they would have been except that the cooling load of the computer which is also in the room, is the first thing the coldest air will see.
I have a canning cellar under my house that gets extremely cold in the winter and I do have a couple of machines that have been mining for a while now and I've been thinking of moving them down there but need to fix a few leaks first. I've been really curious about the temps down there and what kind of effect it will have on the machines but I also have two of those smaller indoor AC units that have the hose to blow the heat outside, they're not window units like yours. I thought those would come in handy for the summer but never thought of blowing the cold air directly onto the board. I was afraid of condensation causing it to fry the board. Love this video and channel! thanks for all the info!
Regarding those hose AC units, you might be interested in watching this by the Technology Connections guy: ruclips.net/video/_-mBeYC2KGc/видео.html where he goes over the strengths and weaknesses of different kinds of air conditioners.
Just like Eric Williams, I too are transformed every time I watch any of your episodes. Looking forward to the collab with LTT. I love the fact that you are doing so many different projects, they all interest me but to different degrees. Some I will watch in the future when I might have the equipment. If youtube ever goes down, I hope you'll find another outlet, keep up the awesome work guys!
Condensation on the outside walls of the case is a problem with this method but only while is running. When it gets shut off the case walls immediately start warming and will be ambient very quickly. Only in very humid areas with no house air conditioning is this usually a problem. Also well made refrigerant cooling systems regulate cooling and fan use. So the fans would keep going for a bit after you turn it off. If this was a long term usage unit with some raspberry pi work. Last if its going to be a long term unit, you want a floor unit with dual external air lines so you can dump the heat out the window instead of into the room since the PC plus waste heat from the AC will quickly make the room an oven.
Keep it running without the AC until temps normalize to ambient or above before you shut it down. The exposed electronics that would attract moisture are hotter than indicated readouts when running (temp readouts aren't actual, they're locally ambient to the supporting architecture), so as long as it's running you don't risk the surrounding material being a heat sink and chilling those components down to condensation temps. Once the rig warms up the surrounding material and temp readouts are at ambient, it's safe to shut down without worrying about condensation forming. Furthermore, if you observe the evaporator coil in the AC unit, you'll be able to tell if the atmosphere is capable of attracting condensation...in a house with refrigerated air the humidity is usually pretty low, same goes for a heated house in the winter. If condensate is not forming on the evaporator coil, then it won't form in the computer either. It's a good telltale to let you know whether you need to allow the rig to heat up on its own or if you're able to shut it off without concern.
@@Bozemanjustin I generally only turn mine off when I know I'll be gone for weeks at a time. Sometimes not even then, and it's not like I've given it important tasks to do while I'm gone...it just sits there and idles LOL
This channel is the single most under subscribed channel that will ever exist. Every project shows the process, budget friendly options, and Ideal component options to make real change with an actual real definition of whats happening. If y'all had 50M subscribers it would still be under subscribed. On a personal note I have been more inspired to finish existing and start new projects because of the work you put into this channel and it does not go unnoticed.
_Persnickety_ hmm, learned a new word today. I'm super excited about this topic already, and can't wait to see it from a physics perspective in contrast to the usual gamer stuff.
Very nice, it is really working. It should be commercialized. In fact, In server stations I found very often AC cranked to the maximum, that nobody can withstand there more than 10 minutes. I have seeing this for the first time ever in a home computer. It is impressive. I am contented. Good luck guys.
The problem is that the cooling achieved by the air conditioner generates heat - and that heat has to go somewhere. When the AC is hanging out the window that's fine but do you want the heat in the room? Probably not. I guess it depends where in the world you live and the time of the year. Not to mention the noise ...
@@andrewlockwood6102 True, but the PC does the same thing with standard water or air cooling. Obviously, using a window unit isn't the most efficient solution. I'm surprised someone hasn't marketed a small AC unit for PC enthusiasts. It would likely have to be integrated into a case somehow.
1:15 Pedantry time: Semiconductors (such as the silicon that processors are made from) have precisely this property: increasing temperature means more free charge carriers and so lower resistance! Though the overall point of heat generation is still valid, of course
@Rocky Robinson Yeah, but it means the whole point of "heat begets heat" is just not applicable here, so it does make a significant difference. Also I said "pedantry time", what did you expect?
Great video. The only comment I can add is that transistors use over 99% of power to flow current through the transistors, the switching uses miniscule amount of energy and doesn't significantly contribute to the chip total heat output, even though the switching is the main useful work that a CPU does. As a matter of fact, before CPUs had incorporated various mechanisms to save energy by means of underclocking, undervolting, and switching completely off parts of a cpu (this didn't exist in x86 CPUs 25 years ago), you actually had nearly the same power usage in idle and full computational load of a cpu (because it's mainly just the current flow resistive losses, not switching).
If the entire computer was submerged in mineral oil, I think you may have been able to use that lab chiller without having to worry about the dew point. It would be incredibly impractical, but an interesting experiment nonetheless.
From what I understand, mineral oil starts breaking down plastics and wires and stuff over time Based purely on the RUclips videos I’ve watched and not my personal expertise, I believe your two options are 3M Novec, which is very expensive, and you have to have an airtight case, but also something that expands because it turns into a gas under heat, OR a different dielectric liquid called Bitcool from engineered fluids
Wouldn't it be more efficient to recirculate the air from the computer back to the AC, as it is still cooler than room temp? You maybe already do this and I just missed it.
Excellent project! I have done that myself when overclocking for cluster computations in the past...but I used insulated flexible tubing to transfer the air to and from the computers (bank of 12). Even went so far as investigating refrigerant-based systems for direct CPU cooling...there were only 2 in the world at the time...and both were prohibitively expensive. One thing I noticed is that both had to employ a warming unit on the back of the motherboard to keep the moisture from forming...your way negates that problem.
I guess that the only problem with this setup is while gaining positive air pressure inside the cabinet, you get hot air from the outside, which is not good in hot areas or days (30-33ºC here on summer). On the other hand, recycling the air inside the cabinet, forces you to close all the other places in the cabinet where air may escape/enter; but the air inside the cabinet will be regulated by the AC thermostat and allow the AC to shutdown when the set temp. is reached (saving energy due to AC shutting down compressor on temp.). Also, the cabinet volume is pretty small for the AC cooling power, so... it's hard to say if the 1st statement I made is *really* a problem... Anyway, the video is great and I hope you keep doing what you're doing. Cheers!
In hot climates, ducting the hot side of the airconditioner outside allows it to do double duty and cool the room as well. When it's cold, the extra power consumed can help to warm the room.
Also another option is connecting the working fluid directly to the componets, not to a "working fluid-air heat exchanger" (Or making it into a working fluid-PC Liquid Coolant system)
Stumbled across your channel today and i subscribed instantly, you guys are amazing i love seeing people putting their education to use in practical day 2 day
I lost all respect for LTT when he did the "whole room water cooling" video. He was unhappy about how warm the room got when he had 6-8 computers running at once, so he made a whole room water cooling loop, with a large radiator outside the house. I actually thought the idea was pretty interesting, but his execution was just unbelievably poor. For the coolant tubing, connecting the multiple computer's water blocks to the massive radiator he had outside, he used _uninsulated_ *copper* pipes. I did the math (years ago), the pipes had enough surface area to be a formidable radiator in their own right.
I think that whole room water cooling was more for the spectacle and "just because we can absolutely means we should." Edit: what I mean is there wasn't a sufficient amount of analysis or logic applied to the idea before implementation.
@J Fz Yeah, Linus is an idiot. Watching his videos lower your IQ by at least 10 points. Don't know why they even reference Linus here. I still like this channel, but am a bit disappointed they even mention the dude in their video.
I made a cooling rig from a yard sale portable dehumidifier. Also it is easy to route the air with 4 inch flexible drier vent hose. If you make a closed system by using a simple magnetic adopter to fit Over an exhaust fan port you get about 20 degree F drop over the evaporator coil. You can then control the case temperature by adjusting the fan speed and turning the compressor on and off. Additional insulation is needed to prevent condensation on the case and care must be given to prevent drive faces and other parts from condensed water damage if you set case temp too low. Also when you power down components in the case can collect lots of condensation. Leave the cooling system on and bring temperature up slowly with fan on contentiously. The dehumidifier is easy to adapt and has wheels. It also has a tank to collect the condensed water. The window AC can be messy when you move it even if you collect the drips from the back as they are designed to retain condensate in the bottom to help cool the condensers cools. Great project. When you test thermal conductors try silver foil. I have some but haven't tried yet as I have no test rig and don't want to chance damaging components. Love your video's. Wish we were neighbors. GOD BLESS
1. I don't know powerMAX, I guess you're claiming it's a power virus comparable with Prime95 small FFTs, but the video contains no proof of that - so in my eyes, you're actually _downclocking_ the CPU for the initial test! (You should leave everything stock and show us it downclocks to 3,9 under this load - otherwise the viewer assumes it should run at 4,4 or whatever AMD claims, therefore 3,9 is an underclock ;) I believe you've tested it and this workload drops the clocks to 3,9, but that was never tested, or even mentioned) 2. A 360 liquid cooler has a soak time of _at_least_ 20 minutes at this CPU's TDP, maybe more (depends on thickness and materials, even diregarding differences in fans' static pressure) - a 5 minute test says absolutely nothing about the thermal performance of the system (with either of the cooling setups!) 3. Because this is a Zen 2 CPU, memory speed affects the speed of Infinity Fabric, which is produced on an older node than the CCD chiplets - so that has worse efficiency and in many situations can overheat faster than the cores, while at the same time, making a bigger difference to the actual performance (as in: time to render a video/compile a project). You should use 3600 MT/s memory for the baseline just for this reason (because 3600 is what AMD recommends, while I bet the chip can do 3800 for sure in 1:1 mode just fine on air cooling), or 3200 (because that's the most common due to being really cheap). 4. "System" temperature on those boards is meaningless, but "MOS" is MSI's short for the VRM, most important of the board readings, assuming it's even reporting correct temps. It was cool all the way (strong VRM on the board, you didn't overvolt anything), I'm just nitpicking it was completely useless to check the "System" thingy when there's the VRM sensor right next to it. 5. Gamers' Nexus has a proper cooling testing rig and could perform meaningful tests of your thermal compound. Linus (read: Anthony) doesn't have this kind of setup, all they would do is slap it on a CPU and decide that it's just as good as every other paste on the market based on some random CPU/cooler combo they had around. 5/PS. There's no north bridge on computers for over a decade ;) And the south bridge is now called the chipset - that name is equally meaningless while having no flair of a south bridge, but what can one do :/
I imagine him siting there in the background off camera on a chair or stool watching his son give the presentation when he sees the Mountain Dew and Red Bull get pulled out of the PC. His focus is immediately drawn to the cold beverages being pulled out and swoops in to place them within his reach. He originally planned to wait until his son was finished but he couldn't resist and fell victim to the cold, sweet and carbonated sensation to relieve the thirst that overwhelmed his mind while thinking about them. Unable to resist the fight any longer he grabs the Mountain Dew and cracks it open leaving the Red Bull for his son. I also imagine it being late in the evening and he puts the Dew in the fridge and grabs a beer that was frosted to perfection. Either way great vid....and now I need to grab a cold beverage. All because of the sound in the background of him cracking one open. Crazy how the mind works!
You can get a lot more cooling out of that a/c. You have two air loops: The primary loop enters from one side, passes over the hot coils and exits. Intake and exhaust are both on the exterior side of the a/c as mounted. The secondary loop pulls ambient room air, passes it over the cold coils, and exits to the room, or in this case, to the pc. If instead of allowing cold air to push out of the case into the room, you plug up most of the exits to limit it to those you can connect to a plenum like the intake you constructed, and route that back to the secondary air intake, you'll have a closed loop that will go sub 0 very quickly. Just stopping at that point, the system will fail due to the coils icing up and stopping air flow. I'm not an ac&r guy, but I know there are modifications to allow lower temp operation without freezing up the coils. It's also possible to change the thermistor used by the ac to detect temp to offset the temp. I just moved mine out of the cooling loop so it always thought it was too hot.
About 5 years ago I saw a video on what they called "singing flame" and at the time I was working as an car audio installer and this made my very curious as to the physics behind it, I had to mess with it (I'm sure you understand). I purchased a Rockford Fosgate 500 watt rms that was 0 ohm stable, i also used several different types of transformers (all kinds including ballasts... its very fun) connected to the audio signal output to se the different results. Also sent the "singing" audio structured signal arc through flames from different things burning (interestingly the dirty sooty flames sound best). Now here's what I would love to see you do, modify this Singing flame into a Rubens Tube! I have made several but never combined the two! Super please! This would mske several GREAT videos! P.S. your absolutely awesome!
Brilliant. Cool the conductors, increase electron throughput. My first solar product design ~1979 was a combo PV cell backed with solar water collection tubes to cool the circuits. Electric generation & water heater.
I used think AC had dehumidifier now you have explained to me why. Mind blowing information. Now I need find a way to adapt this AC unit with liquid nitrogen and dry ice!
There is something magically wholesome about every video you guys do. This is father son action at its best. Really liked seeing the camera man in front of the camera as well! Super excited to see what projects you guys put out this year.
Also love the collabing with LTT!
I agree.....
The only down side I was concerned about in this video from the starting is that we are gaining computer performance at cost of a quiter working environment but I am sure, certain additional adjustments to the aircondition would help solve the problem... cheers
One question: why not use the exhaust air from the PC as input into the air conditioner? Most of the air would remain in this cycle, and it would become increasingly cold, dry, and filtered.
Looks like a fun idea. But does it make financial sense to buy last year's computer and overclock it. Instead of just buying a more efficient part in the beginning.
In summer poor man's ground source heatpump could do the job. In winter heat exchange from outside air could do as well with a simple fan.
I rather heat the room and water with waste heat from computing instead of heating the atmosphere.
@@ArthursHD You're missing the point of overclocking. It is *NOT* assuming that you have to buy last year's components, or anything like that. This method for OCing could be applied to a 12 year old original generation Core i7 CPU based machine or the absolute latest Comet Lake / AMD Ryzen 9 5950X based machines. I'm betting that they simply used the machine they have on hand to conduct the tests, versus building a brand new machine just for this exercise.
I built a rig last year - Ryzen 9 3950X, 128 GB of 3600 MHz DDR4, 3x 1 TB NVMe PCIe 4 drives, with several (other) bells and whistles, on the MSI X570 GODLIKE mobo. In June it was a mighty fine system. 6 months alter and it's 'old' - but I didn't build it old. That's just the nature of technology - it gets old, quickly. Think Moore's law.
As for your other points - your locale will probably have something to do with that. Simple use of electricity will not always directly contribute to heating the atmosphere. And newer technological components are not always more efficient - especially when it comes to power consumption.
Agreed
I just have to say, in it's "genre", this channel has the best videos on all of youtube. Don't want to go in all the details, just finished watching this video and HAD TO say that :)
The LTT collab was awesome but after seeing this I think these two and GN could spend a month together and make the ultimate crosssover project. It would not be for everyone but for those of us that are into both would go crazy!
I'm currently working on a project, in which I build some lab-equipment from parts that I salvaged from an assortment of computers that some local company had dumped on a local scrapyard. I frankly haven't even thought about overclocking in years. But I might try your methods on some of my scrap computers and maybe get a little more out of them :D. Anyway: Nice to see you back with a long format video! Love your stuff.
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I need more arc welder videos😭😭🤣🤣
OC on an AMD System is only worth with continous loads like compressing a video over a long time or extreme renderings. The boost gives more performance with single/ light threadding tasks. There are a few boards (crosshair dark for example) that are capable of switching betreen all core oc and boost. All core gives you better perf with long running tasks - boost more with all day usage.
On intel this is allmost the same nowerdays but really depends on your system - older ones profit of oc - newer same as amd
for me oc is allmost dead unless u use heavy tasks for a long duration - due to competition between amd and intel the cpus does all what you want autiomaticaly and better than you could do it by trying to overclock them manually
i build over 3000 systems over the last 10 years and tested/benched all of them
anyways keep up the good work and - ich mag Deine Videos #Inventor ;)
Great build for people that hate the silent fan mode setting in bios.
I want a quiet one, i have a corsair liquid cooler that dont let my neighboars sleep. That thing is as loud as it can be.
Great point. Quiet is more important to me than CPU speed. Nevertheless a fascinating and informative video that I thoroughly enjoyed.
You can always put the AC outside and go with an insulated tube, there will still be some noise coming from it but it might be way better
That lad is growing up in a Palace of fun.
Ngl I'm a little jealous
Right? Talk about hitting the dad lottery!
I hope he doesn't squander it, while simultaneously not crumbling under the weight of his fathers monumental shadow.
Having the main presenter as a grandpa would be the best.
Kid in a nerdy candy store... Trying to build up the same for my two, a lab to play in intelligently
14:50 "Keeps a little bit of noise down". Especially relevant when it sits right next to the freaking air conditioner. Also as for comparison: adding some temperature response graphs would add some important visual cues, like one for stock cooling, conditioner cooling, overclocked conditioner cooling.
Your PC does not have to be in the same room as you, or you could hide the rig away in a cupboard (closet)
@@bulwinkle Making sure the closet is well ventilated of course!
Since the system is colder it should use a bit less power at the same frequency. I would like to see a comparison of power consumption at the maximum non-AC overclock.
AC/PC
You Cooled Me All Night Long
nice one
Exactly what i thought lol
She had a fax machine, she kept her modem clean, she had the chillest Noc-tua that I’ve ever seen....
@@robt7652 nice followup man
What a phenomenal presentation, and really takes me back... back... back to the early 1990s, overclocking my Celeron C300A to 464Mhz,, routing some “modified” shop vac hoses through a big picnic cooler partially filled with saltwater and ice, the hoses with small aluminum fins zip-tied to the hoses, laying in and passing through the saltwater, a fan blowing into the two hoses, and their outlets aimed at the cpu heatsink.
Everyone thought I’d lost my marbles. Come to think of it, I never found them, and continue to leave a trail along my life path.
Thank you U.S. Navy for my 10-year career (74-84) in steam plant propulsion engineering, allowing me to learn the principles of thermodynamics, heating and air conditioning, heat exchangers, etc etc etc.
Truly a pleasure watch, and connecting to your videos.
This channel is very underrated, kudos for keeping up high quality of videos with informative, scientific methodology. Very cool!
What a cool and knowledgeable father, he reminds me of my father. : )
The main presenter over there chugging mountain dew while his son is doing the presentation LOL!
ywha i also loved that scene xd he's kept himself young and humble
thats the cameraman, not his son
@@HerdiantoAjDeh - same
I love that people are keeping the main presenter thing going :)
Well deserved. There are _very_ few youtube channels at the standard of Tech Ingredients. Just wish they had the time/resources to do more of the same...
I love how you guys are always thinking outside of the box.
Your lateral thinking never fails to amaze me.
Thanks!
That's what makes this so much fun.
Sly shoutback at Linus, like it. Subtle, classy.
Only Linus I abide is Linus Torvalds.
I've seen projects where people have taken AC units or fridges and turned them into phase change coolers. That's much more direct cooling, and can get to 2-10°c continuously under load, which is great for hardcore overclocking.
Thank you for sharing this! It is like 10x more efficient than i would’ve guessed. Great Presentation as always!
"persnickety." There's a word you don't hear every day. You guys are great!
As a non-native english speaker, who reads lots of books and 100% of the media I consume are in english, I have never heard that word before. Always fun when that happens :D
Reminds me of Technology Connections
@@TheRailroad99 Likewise, it threw me for a loop when I first heard him say it, it's like the British "pernickety" but with an American twist.
Honestly they deserve a sub just for using it lol. 😂
You cover a lot of subjects and that's why I like this channel so much!
9:08 "Northbridge" I haven't heard that word in a few years XD
He's really lucky to have a cool big brained dad like that. This is wholesome.
Love this!
About the RAM, with Ryzen you might actually want to enable XMP (or go to 3300/3600 MHz), as its clock speed is directly tied to the CPU's infinity fabric clock speed, which is basically the BUS that lets the cores communicate with each other. Because of that, a higher RAM clock speed will give you better CPU results!
That bugged me too, especially with him having 4200Mhz RAM, that's just leaving performance on the table.
@@MrMattumbo 4600Mhz even. Buggedme to :)
there are many wrong things there. 3800/4000 Mhz ram is the top achivable with a Ryzen. And that Ryzen 3800X has an T too much in the name that adds nothing to the X except price. With cheaper ram perhaps a 3900X would be in there for the same price.
@@marsovac Yeah not sure why he didn't buy some CL 16 3600 Mhz RAM, the timings on the Samsung B-die kits are super tight and when combined with the frequency give the kit way more performance relative to price than some insane 4000+ Mhz kit.
@@marsovac completely agree, but now that it's already in his hands, let's give him tips to still make it good
Not to double comment but this is by far my favorite channel from the sole reason of I never know what topic is next, and it's always so informative yet equally entertaining!
More comments are better for the "content creators"
So, no worries!
You gentleman are just great. I love your videos and you can see how much care you have for the subject and how you present it.
Right on! I was just doing some upgrades to my pc this morning! I'm looking forward to trying this as well!
Another great topic. This channel feels like a combination of the Red Green show and Bill Nye the Science Guy, just focused mostly on modern tech advancements. Someone else commented about "post apocalyptic" stuff, made me think of a hard drive or w/e media device crammed full of all your videos as being a great addition to any bug out bag
I like your comment about red green/Bill Nye. Good one. And only good because it’s pretty much very nice in accurate 🤓
"Not something crazy only Linus would have."
Of course :D
Hahhhah😂
Yes, douches never stop douching!
I wish I had half the brains you and your son have lol. Now don't get me wrong.
As a 25plus year automotive tech and shop owner, I can diag a vehicle tear it down and put it back together with no problem BUT the overall wealth of knowledge you 2 have is astounding.
I applaud you!!!! I ALSO THANK YOU!!!
Everything you do is interesting, educational, and fun!
Brilliant! There're millions of servers owners, that would be VERY interested in EVERY KIND of EFFICIENT heat management. An original, sustainable and truly full approach (passive + active) for "The ultimate cooling system for servers" it's a success-guaranteed product/vídeo. Congratulations for all yours videos. Excellent work. Keep Rocking!
Thanks!
Hi. You should also send your homemade thermal paste to Gamers Nexus. If they make a video about it, they are probably going to make a much more in depth testing video about it than LTT 🙂
Good point.
@@TechIngredients Definitely send it to both if you can. Awesome video guys!
@@TechIngredients LTT and Gamer Nexus are good for the views. The only guy that knows his stuff thou is Buildzoid from Actually Hardcore Overclocking. He is the one to test your paste out. He does work for GN sometimes. He is the "hired brains" behind them.
Plus don't forget to sent to Hardware Unboxed. They have a good team as well.
And of course let's not forget Der8auer !!! He is the master of them all. If he tests your paste and finds it good, you better find some factory to produce it... He also knows how to commercialize a product- he's made a name and sells his own stuff. I couldn't think of a more deserving channel for something like that than yours guys.
Keep up the good job.
@@harrybelele GN are the only ones with a proper cooling test setup that could show fine differences between thermal compounds. Buildzoid is cool and all but he doesnt have the equipment, or the motivation most likely, to test something like this. He's just the expert for Power delivery systems and LN2 Overclocking.
I'd love to see that video.
Honestly, I was considering this for a homestead with an air-conditioner unit and the pc having their noise entirely neutralized through baffling and other means in order to create a silent overclocked rig, but I wasn't certain on the specifics of how it would work, or research. Glad to see this is a first step toward making that actually feasible, since you already got it to do what I was aiming for mostly!
"Boat dad" once again preempting an idea I've been stewing on. Loving it!
Good I found this video. I was looking at the Phanteks P600S as my choice of case for my build! Appreciate having RUclipsrs feature stuff I plan to get.
I'm excited to see that testing setup you have for the thermal pastes/grease. I'm also excited to see LTT working with you guys! Two of my favorite channels working together =D
When I was an IT tech in a tropical town, we had to have a protocol for working on the servers. If we just turned off the AC in the cabinet then took them out onto the bench, they'd collect condensation from the humid air (even inside the air conditioned office). We had to let the temperature equalise between the cabinet and the rest of the office.
persnickity is my new word of the week
People who can't appreciate this channel, should go home and rethink their lives. My Japanese wife says (listening from the other room) "ah is that the main presenter again? - he is spot on". I have tried to introduce the channel to many people - and they are like "don't care about epoxy" or "Drones" and I am like I don't care about toilets but they are pretty handy. As feedback - I think your sons have so much to give. Alex was clearly in his comfort zone with regards to overclocking. I thought he did an excellent job at explaining it all, with a great introduction by you. Where as not so much with regards to your HS camera. I am not an idiot, I know your sons have a great part in your channel. I love the way you introduce them gradually - you guys are lucky to have each other. Seriously I just love the the way "main presenter speaks" It is just captivating. I've worked as a professional system integrator designing home entertainment systems, while cooling was not critical it was certainly a concern. I don't believe people will build a PC to game on in the future, nor for a powerful back-end. As such , PC's and overclocking is a matter of workstations, but then we are looking at other builds than Linus's stuff . I know you want to get hits and realize that Linus-tech-talks has some pull, but at this point he seems a lot like a tool to me. Last time you hit him up - it was like he did not really understand your claims...
"Holy crap, it's like 90 degrees in your room!" "Yeah, but my PC is nice and cold!" "What? I couldn't hear you over that air conditioner!"
Put your headphones back on and aim they're coming faster than ever!
Reminds me of late 90's LAN party. Everyone sweating caffeine and popping breakers in an effort to win a swag Razor Boomslang mouse while deathmatching Quake2.
This is one of the very best STEM channels on youtube. I haven't seen a single video of yours that wasn't excellent, and on an interesting topic. Thanks for all the work that goes into this.
Thanks!
Honest to God I thought this was Gamers Nexus video by the thumbnail and video length! Funnily enough I am building a hermetic PC chassis to phase change cool my pc!
Consider this approach as well because we haven't even maximized the potential.
Gamer Nexus are good on reporting. Whatever projects they do are laughable most times. These guys here are the closest you can get to science on youtube. No comparison.
What if you put the evaporator in the case and purged it with nitrogen so you don’t have any moisture to condense
Send some thermo compound to Gamers Nexus to test it out!
@@harrybelele You underestimate the work they put into getting rugged numbers. Their side-projects are to keep the less technically minded people there from the project that is rugged benchmarking.
I just want to tell you how much I appreciate what you're doing here. You've got to be one of if not the most intelligent person on the internet sharing your knowledge of the coolest subjects ever. Thank you tech ingredients!
Thanks!
And, stay tuned.
This is a great channel, it takes all os my interest areas in one place. Thank you. You could send this thermal compound to Steve on Gamers nexus he is very interested in thermal compounds. Keep doing this great work, and thank you again.
I think I end up writing the same comment every time, but I truly love every single video you make. I wish I could get to meet you in person some day because It has literally always been my dream to be exactly where you are at in life by the time I get to be your age. I want to get to spend every bit of my free time just tinkering with whatever happens to catch my attention that particular day, for no other reason than I think it sounds cool! You're my inspiration to keep trying to get there. Thank you, and please don't stop!
I'd be curious to see the AC combined with the chiller loop. AC can prevent condensation and the chiller loop will give max performance. That is, if the chiller loop is actually cooling below what the current water-loop cools to with the AC blowing through it.
Ya, be careful. The safety factor with the airconditioner is that it's dew point MUST be below its output temperature, but not the operating temperature of a series chiller.
I was a submarine sonar tech and most of our equipment was cooled by eafw (electronic auxiliary fresh water) and the heat exchangers were in the engine room and used seawater. Well once we started doing more missions were the water was hot (90f)sit,that a chill water mod was added to one heat exchanger to get chill water from one of the running r114 units. Cool video!
Tech Dad is a tough act to follow, but Tech Son does a wonderful job. There is almost no difference in the presentation. Looks like Tech Ingredients is going to be continuing for another generation!
As a 'Vegas' man, I would lay 8 to 5 odds in favor of this same manner of your way of thinking was pervasive throughout Germany during the earlier part of the last century. The idea of looking at things and saying, "hey is there a better way?" should be promoted at every level in society, including how we think of each other. I edify you.sir, I do.
By the way, as a student attending UCB long ago, most of my class were bored with themal dynamics...oh, and probabilities and statistics. Not I. Great demonstrations, sir. And greater than 8 tlo 5 odds I click the subscribe button as well...
Interesting video as always! And also quite applicable! I left comments on the patreon community page and in previous RUclips videos about two project suggestions. One being a DIY HVAC (heat exchange ventilation), which would fit in your series on air conditioning, and since it gets quite cold in New England it is a good environment to test it out and make practical use of it. The other being a DIY 3 laser movie projector with DMDs, as a "worlds best projector" in analogy to the best sound system. Would very much appreciate if to hear if you find these ideas interesting and/or viable. Thanks again!
Seldom have I felt so star struck! :D Looking very much forward to the video on the thermal interface testing rig and the thermal paste/grease!
Whats the average temperature there?
I am using heating element for 7°C
Love the vid! I'm subscribed for about 3 years. And every time there is a new video, I actually learn something new! Which is quite amazing. Since you are covering neat stuff that Linus, Jay, Gamer Nexus and other channels aren't covering at all.
I did this about 12 years ago. I made a duct to redirect 75% off the AC output into the PC and the other 25% left open to cool the room.
Is condensation a problem?
@@PaulDominguez of course not, the air coming out of an air conditioner is low humidity
I was thinking that if the whole pc is cooled, when the PC/AC is shut down, condensation could happen as it warms up to room temp
@@PaulDominguez I never had any issues with condensation. I guess when it warmed back up the air coming into the case would bring some moisture but I wouldn't expect it to be enough to cause issues and I never had any.
@@PaulDominguez unless you were turning it off and on 20 times a day, i can’t see that small amount of condensation that could appear as it’s warming up again causing any issues
I used a free standing AC back in 2007, to over clock the SLI system I had back then, and it really worked great! Because the hot air was being vented out the window via the duct, I used it for hours of over clocking fun, LOL!
Glad to see someone doing this!
I always enjoyed watching YT overclockers trying to deal with condensation by blowing ambient air over their cold lines haha
But it will dry the condensation off :)
Yeah both frustrating and hilarious at the same time.
After learning more about heat pumps and air conditioning etc I was wondering if you could cool a whole PC with a wall AC. At first all I could find on RUclips was people using it to cool a liquid cooling loop for the CPU.
Now this method of yours is much more useful and interesting and what I was imaging. Not to mention it's doable for really anyone. Good job you have got yourself a new subscriber
Thanks.
I agree and in addition if the exhaust is diverted out a window as these airconditioners were designed to do, the over capacity will also cool the room, remove humidity and are just as effecient as they would have been except that the cooling load of the computer which is also in the room, is the first thing the coldest air will see.
I have a canning cellar under my house that gets extremely cold in the winter and I do have a couple of machines that have been mining for a while now and I've been thinking of moving them down there but need to fix a few leaks first. I've been really curious about the temps down there and what kind of effect it will have on the machines but I also have two of those smaller indoor AC units that have the hose to blow the heat outside, they're not window units like yours. I thought those would come in handy for the summer but never thought of blowing the cold air directly onto the board. I was afraid of condensation causing it to fry the board. Love this video and channel! thanks for all the info!
Regarding those hose AC units, you might be interested in watching this by the Technology Connections guy: ruclips.net/video/_-mBeYC2KGc/видео.html where he goes over the strengths and weaknesses of different kinds of air conditioners.
Just like Eric Williams, I too are transformed every time I watch any of your episodes. Looking forward to the collab with LTT. I love the fact that you are doing so many different projects, they all interest me but to different degrees. Some I will watch in the future when I might have the equipment. If youtube ever goes down, I hope you'll find another outlet, keep up the awesome work guys!
When you shut off everything for the day you now have a big condensation magnet
you turn your computer off? Mine only shuts down if there is a power failure longer than my UPS provides power.
Condensation on the outside walls of the case is a problem with this method but only while is running. When it gets shut off the case walls immediately start warming and will be ambient very quickly. Only in very humid areas with no house air conditioning is this usually a problem.
Also well made refrigerant cooling systems regulate cooling and fan use. So the fans would keep going for a bit after you turn it off. If this was a long term usage unit with some raspberry pi work.
Last if its going to be a long term unit, you want a floor unit with dual external air lines so you can dump the heat out the window instead of into the room since the PC plus waste heat from the AC will quickly make the room an oven.
Keep it running without the AC until temps normalize to ambient or above before you shut it down. The exposed electronics that would attract moisture are hotter than indicated readouts when running (temp readouts aren't actual, they're locally ambient to the supporting architecture), so as long as it's running you don't risk the surrounding material being a heat sink and chilling those components down to condensation temps. Once the rig warms up the surrounding material and temp readouts are at ambient, it's safe to shut down without worrying about condensation forming. Furthermore, if you observe the evaporator coil in the AC unit, you'll be able to tell if the atmosphere is capable of attracting condensation...in a house with refrigerated air the humidity is usually pretty low, same goes for a heated house in the winter. If condensate is not forming on the evaporator coil, then it won't form in the computer either. It's a good telltale to let you know whether you need to allow the rig to heat up on its own or if you're able to shut it off without concern.
@@Bozemanjustin I generally only turn mine off when I know I'll be gone for weeks at a time. Sometimes not even then, and it's not like I've given it important tasks to do while I'm gone...it just sits there and idles LOL
@@Bozemanjustin that's a ridiculous thing to write
This channel is the single most under subscribed channel that will ever exist. Every project shows the process, budget friendly options, and Ideal component options to make real change with an actual real definition of whats happening. If y'all had 50M subscribers it would still be under subscribed.
On a personal note I have been more inspired to finish existing and start new projects because of the work you put into this channel and it does not go unnoticed.
Thanks!
Reminded me of the "But wait! There's more! ..." 5:56 7:02 8:01
Ditto! But the difference is it actually gets better as apposed to just being a scam..... :)
Dang, you beat me to it. I know he isn’t a ThisOldTony or AvE on humor... but it’s a treat when he gets his dry joke in somewhere.
I auto-like all your videos from the very start because I know they're always going to be great!
_Persnickety_ hmm, learned a new word today. I'm super excited about this topic already, and can't wait to see it from a physics perspective in contrast to the usual gamer stuff.
i see you arent familiar with the sargento cheese commercials. thats were i first heard the word persnickety. i got curious and looked it up
This channel is getting better and better!! Congrats to you all!! And thank you for sharing with us so much knowledge!!!
This needs to be on linus tech tips lol
That would be one excellent collaboration.
Linus already has one of these. He build it himself.
why would you want to waste quality content on a trash channel like Linus lol
@@zuiloklinus is entertainment not education
@@zuilok why so serious? Sure, not all of his videos are great, but it doesn't mean that he doesn't make good videos
Very nice, it is really working. It should be commercialized. In fact, In server stations I found very often AC cranked to the maximum, that nobody can withstand there more than 10 minutes. I have seeing this for the first time ever in a home computer. It is impressive. I am contented. Good luck guys.
Thanks!
I've been waiting for someone to realize that this is a solution to cooling a computer. Data centers are cooled this way already. Why not desktops?
The problem is that the cooling achieved by the air conditioner generates heat - and that heat has to go somewhere. When the AC is hanging out the window that's fine but do you want the heat in the room? Probably not. I guess it depends where in the world you live and the time of the year. Not to mention the noise ...
It looks like a mini-split would be perfect in hot climate areas.
@@andrewlockwood6102 True, but the PC does the same thing with standard water or air cooling. Obviously, using a window unit isn't the most efficient solution. I'm surprised someone hasn't marketed a small AC unit for PC enthusiasts. It would likely have to be integrated into a case somehow.
Well done! I have been telling the kids to do that for over 20 years now, it works quite well!
Get them to watch the video!😋
1:15 Pedantry time: Semiconductors (such as the silicon that processors are made from) have precisely this property: increasing temperature means more free charge carriers and so lower resistance!
Though the overall point of heat generation is still valid, of course
@Rocky Robinson Yeah, but it means the whole point of "heat begets heat" is just not applicable here, so it does make a significant difference.
Also I said "pedantry time", what did you expect?
Great video. The only comment I can add is that transistors use over 99% of power to flow current through the transistors, the switching uses miniscule amount of energy and doesn't significantly contribute to the chip total heat output, even though the switching is the main useful work that a CPU does.
As a matter of fact, before CPUs had incorporated various mechanisms to save energy by means of underclocking, undervolting, and switching completely off parts of a cpu (this didn't exist in x86 CPUs 25 years ago), you actually had nearly the same power usage in idle and full computational load of a cpu (because it's mainly just the current flow resistive losses, not switching).
If the entire computer was submerged in mineral oil, I think you may have been able to use that lab chiller without having to worry about the dew point. It would be incredibly impractical, but an interesting experiment nonetheless.
Might make handling the naked hard drives I use in my Icy Boxes a tad messy ;-)
From what I understand, mineral oil starts breaking down plastics and wires and stuff over time
Based purely on the RUclips videos I’ve watched and not my personal expertise, I believe your two options are 3M Novec, which is very expensive, and you have to have an airtight case, but also something that expands because it turns into a gas under heat, OR a different dielectric liquid called Bitcool from engineered fluids
So glad I was recommended your channel!
Wouldn't it be more efficient to recirculate the air from the computer back to the AC, as it is still cooler than room temp? You maybe already do this and I just missed it.
No, they aren't doing this (though the air conditioner is in the same room as them, it's also dumping heat into the same room, which doesn't help).
Excellent project!
I have done that myself when overclocking for cluster computations in the past...but I used insulated flexible tubing to transfer the air to and from the computers (bank of 12).
Even went so far as investigating refrigerant-based systems for direct CPU cooling...there were only 2 in the world at the time...and both were prohibitively expensive.
One thing I noticed is that both had to employ a warming unit on the back of the motherboard to keep the moisture from forming...your way negates that problem.
Next video will be him doing RIP GN/RIP Jay/RIP Paul on the 3090 overclocking boards
using cryo coolers supplied by ben???
I hope he at least sends GN a sample too.
Fantastic stuff. They only issue you have to address with this set up is the A/C exhaust will make the room hot & dry.
Please do a time machine next!
I just went back and checked all Tech posted videos now just in case. He probably just hasn't gotten around to it yet.
I love that your getting your son into the videos. Computers are a great way to bond with kids. Great video as always!!
You need to setthe LEDs to "Go fasta Red" for maximum overclock.
NOW DATS THINKIN LIK A PROPA ORK.
I guess that the only problem with this setup is while gaining positive air pressure inside the cabinet, you get hot air from the outside, which is not good in hot areas or days (30-33ºC here on summer). On the other hand, recycling the air inside the cabinet, forces you to close all the other places in the cabinet where air may escape/enter; but the air inside the cabinet will be regulated by the AC thermostat and allow the AC to shutdown when the set temp. is reached (saving energy due to AC shutting down compressor on temp.). Also, the cabinet volume is pretty small for the AC cooling power, so... it's hard to say if the 1st statement I made is *really* a problem... Anyway, the video is great and I hope you keep doing what you're doing. Cheers!
In hot climates, ducting the hot side of the airconditioner outside allows it to do double duty and cool the room as well.
When it's cold, the extra power consumed can help to warm the room.
When will you do it with the Liquid Dessicant AC ?
Also another option is connecting the working fluid directly to the componets, not to a "working fluid-air heat exchanger"
(Or making it into a working fluid-PC Liquid Coolant system)
26:40
I was thinking stirling cryocooler for a pc!
I've wondered for over a decade why there was never an A/C built inside computers and even inside of smartphones. Thank you for proving it works.
Sure!
“Persnickety”. Learned a new word for the day!
Your channel is not only informative, but also inspiring. Keep up the good work!
Thanks!
I was waiting for a LTT reference from the start of the video ;)
Stumbled across your channel today and i subscribed instantly, you guys are amazing i love seeing people putting their education to use in practical day 2 day
Thanks!
I lost all respect for LTT when he did the "whole room water cooling" video. He was unhappy about how warm the room got when he had 6-8 computers running at once, so he made a whole room water cooling loop, with a large radiator outside the house. I actually thought the idea was pretty interesting, but his execution was just unbelievably poor. For the coolant tubing, connecting the multiple computer's water blocks to the massive radiator he had outside, he used _uninsulated_ *copper* pipes. I did the math (years ago), the pipes had enough surface area to be a formidable radiator in their own right.
I think that whole room water cooling was more for the spectacle and "just because we can absolutely means we should."
Edit: what I mean is there wasn't a sufficient amount of analysis or logic applied to the idea before implementation.
@J Fz Yeah, Linus is an idiot. Watching his videos lower your IQ by at least 10 points. Don't know why they even reference Linus here. I still like this channel, but am a bit disappointed they even mention the dude in their video.
@@stefanl5183 This is exactly how I feel, and why I made my comment. Tech Ingredients should just ignore hacks like LTT.
Sir, you are an inspiration. Thank you for doing all these great projects for us to see.
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I made a cooling rig from a yard sale portable dehumidifier. Also it is easy to route the air with 4 inch flexible drier vent hose. If you make a closed system by using a simple magnetic adopter to fit
Over an exhaust fan port you get about 20 degree F drop over the evaporator coil. You can then control the case temperature by adjusting the fan speed and turning the compressor on and off.
Additional insulation is needed to prevent condensation on the case and care must be given to prevent drive faces and other parts from condensed water damage if you set case temp too low. Also when you power down components in the case can collect lots of condensation. Leave the cooling system on and bring temperature up slowly with fan on contentiously. The dehumidifier is easy to adapt and has wheels. It also has a tank to collect the condensed water. The window AC can be messy when you move it even if you collect the drips from the back as they are designed to retain condensate in the bottom to help cool the condensers cools. Great project. When you test thermal conductors try silver foil. I have some but haven't tried yet as I have no test rig and don't want to chance damaging components. Love your video's. Wish we were neighbors. GOD BLESS
28 seconds ago. Nice!
Go tech ingredient team!
This is what i love most for this channel, you newer know whats coming up but it will bee interesting that you know. Thanks
1. I don't know powerMAX, I guess you're claiming it's a power virus comparable with Prime95 small FFTs, but the video contains no proof of that - so in my eyes, you're actually _downclocking_ the CPU for the initial test! (You should leave everything stock and show us it downclocks to 3,9 under this load - otherwise the viewer assumes it should run at 4,4 or whatever AMD claims, therefore 3,9 is an underclock ;) I believe you've tested it and this workload drops the clocks to 3,9, but that was never tested, or even mentioned)
2. A 360 liquid cooler has a soak time of _at_least_ 20 minutes at this CPU's TDP, maybe more (depends on thickness and materials, even diregarding differences in fans' static pressure) - a 5 minute test says absolutely nothing about the thermal performance of the system (with either of the cooling setups!)
3. Because this is a Zen 2 CPU, memory speed affects the speed of Infinity Fabric, which is produced on an older node than the CCD chiplets - so that has worse efficiency and in many situations can overheat faster than the cores, while at the same time, making a bigger difference to the actual performance (as in: time to render a video/compile a project). You should use 3600 MT/s memory for the baseline just for this reason (because 3600 is what AMD recommends, while I bet the chip can do 3800 for sure in 1:1 mode just fine on air cooling), or 3200 (because that's the most common due to being really cheap).
4. "System" temperature on those boards is meaningless, but "MOS" is MSI's short for the VRM, most important of the board readings, assuming it's even reporting correct temps. It was cool all the way (strong VRM on the board, you didn't overvolt anything), I'm just nitpicking it was completely useless to check the "System" thingy when there's the VRM sensor right next to it.
5. Gamers' Nexus has a proper cooling testing rig and could perform meaningful tests of your thermal compound. Linus (read: Anthony) doesn't have this kind of setup, all they would do is slap it on a CPU and decide that it's just as good as every other paste on the market based on some random CPU/cooler combo they had around.
5/PS. There's no north bridge on computers for over a decade ;) And the south bridge is now called the chipset - that name is equally meaningless while having no flair of a south bridge, but what can one do :/
you must be great at parties.
I imagine him siting there in the background off camera on a chair or stool watching his son give the presentation when he sees the Mountain Dew and Red Bull get pulled out of the PC. His focus is immediately drawn to the cold beverages being pulled out and swoops in to place them within his reach. He originally planned to wait until his son was finished but he couldn't resist and fell victim to the cold, sweet and carbonated sensation to relieve the thirst that overwhelmed his mind while thinking about them. Unable to resist the fight any longer he grabs the Mountain Dew and cracks it open leaving the Red Bull for his son. I also imagine it being late in the evening and he puts the Dew in the fridge and grabs a beer that was frosted to perfection. Either way great vid....and now I need to grab a cold beverage. All because of the sound in the background of him cracking one open. Crazy how the mind works!
do a video on bitcoin mining, take it to your usual extreme precision.
You can get a lot more cooling out of that a/c.
You have two air loops:
The primary loop enters from one side, passes over the hot coils and exits. Intake and exhaust are both on the exterior side of the a/c as mounted.
The secondary loop pulls ambient room air, passes it over the cold coils, and exits to the room, or in this case, to the pc.
If instead of allowing cold air to push out of the case into the room, you plug up most of the exits to limit it to those you can connect to a plenum like the intake you constructed, and route that back to the secondary air intake, you'll have a closed loop that will go sub 0 very quickly.
Just stopping at that point, the system will fail due to the coils icing up and stopping air flow.
I'm not an ac&r guy, but I know there are modifications to allow lower temp operation without freezing up the coils.
It's also possible to change the thermistor used by the ac to detect temp to offset the temp. I just moved mine out of the cooling loop so it always thought it was too hot.
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Really? Have you been overclocked?
Well done sir. 🥇
This is very true. I’m an Electronics Technician in the Navy and we even use sea water to cool some of our extremely hot equipment like radars
Awesome having both of you there!
Randomly found this channel... and I love it. Looking forward to the collabs you have going on and future videos.
Thanks and welcome!
About 5 years ago I saw a video on what they called "singing flame" and at the time I was working as an car audio installer and this made my very curious as to the physics behind it, I had to mess with it (I'm sure you understand). I purchased a Rockford Fosgate 500 watt rms that was 0 ohm stable, i also used several different types of transformers (all kinds including ballasts... its very fun) connected to the audio signal output to se the different results. Also sent the "singing" audio structured signal arc through flames from different things burning (interestingly the dirty sooty flames sound best). Now here's what I would love to see you do, modify this Singing flame into a Rubens Tube! I have made several but never combined the two! Super please! This would mske several GREAT videos! P.S. your absolutely awesome!
I wish you were my teacher .. lucky kids of today to have such content to devour .. one of the finest channels ever
Brilliant. Cool the conductors, increase electron throughput. My first solar product design ~1979 was a combo PV cell backed with solar water collection tubes to cool the circuits. Electric generation & water heater.
I used think AC had dehumidifier now you have explained to me why. Mind blowing information.
Now I need find a way to adapt this AC unit with liquid nitrogen and dry ice!