Different style uniforms worn by different people at the same time is not so confusing if you've served in the US military. When I joined the Army, we were issued the olive drab green "pickle suits". Soon after, we went to the woodland camouflage BDUs, with the change order coming that the old uniforms could be "worn while serviceable." Same thing when the dress green uniform was modified a few years later: "wear until unserviceable", so I was not at all surprised to see different people wearing different uniforms on TNG. Even during the First Gulf War, not everyone was issued desert camouflage (light tan, dark tan, and specs of black). Many of us still had the woodland camouflage (green, brown, tan and black)
9:31 With regards to Picard missing his combadge in Generations, it wouldn't have made sense if he was wearing it in the first place since if you saw the movie, him being on the planet surface with Soran was a prisoner exchange between him and Geordi. Wouldn't make sense for him to wear the badge if he was Soran's prisoner. He beamed onto the Klingon ship, and then onto the surface. While on the Klingon ship, they removed his badge. This was the plan as suggested by Picard prior to him transporting on the planet while on the bridge discussing with the Klingon sisters. So I guess it was a good thing that someone didn't pack the badge for the trip. He was a prisoner so he wouldn't have needed it anyway. The only mistake I see, and one that has bugged me for a long time now was when Picard beamed onto the surface, his transport beam pattern was that of the Enterprise and not the Klingon transport beam pattern. Seeing as he was beaming from the Klingon ship, his transport pattern shouldn't be that of the Enterprise. 🖖🏻
I hope the likes prove this is a good point because I don't remember the details enough, but I do remember noticing the missing combadge and thinking it was intentional or otherwise made sense.
Honestly, that is what everyone believed. Why would you beam a Prisoner to the surface with an obvious way to escape or a method for Picard to contact the Enterprise at all prior to the Klingon attack? The first thing any POW gets is their communication device removed to prevent talking to anyone or a method of escape.
I was the project manager for the It's a Wrap! Star Trek Auction from 2006-2009 and it's all true. Shoulder pads, specialized flexibility for stunt costumes, different color dyes, body suits..., we saw it all.
The Riker maneuver was due to Frakes having a bad back from being a furniture mover in his past. He would lean on something or bring his leg above a chair before he sat to provide relief for his back.
The comm badge was invented because during the Kirk era, the first thing that got taken was your communicator. The comm badge looked like part of the uniform.
On "The Wrath of Khan", after saving the Enterprise, Spock slowly stood up, and did the first Picard maneuver , by straightening the bottom part of his red jacket. , It was the logical thing to do.
suede or velour, I think, but yeah, it looked good. -- There's a rust-colored suede wraparound jacket in TOS that they had on a space officer in the first pilot, and something similar turns up on Charlie X, although he initially has an ugly fake-fur / shag carpet jacket thing.
@@benw9949 its a material called alcantara, its a faux suede and relatively cheap (I seriously have no idea why auto makers tout this material as "high end" in their vehicles)
I just assumed it was suede died red. And that would make sense if you think about it. What better way to decorate a leather jacket but with more leather?
I heard Frakes has a perpetual back injury he sustained while moving furniture, hence putting his foot on everything. I'm sure the S1/S2 uniforms didn't help.
It also lead to the Riker maneuver (Stepping over the back of a chair). Hmmmm, maybe that's why he never became Captain as the Captains chair has a taller back. Edit: Yes, he did eventually become captain. I'm just referring to him always turning it down in the TNG series ;).
Mr. Frakes had suffered a back injury years before Next Generation, and standing long hours caused him pain so to ease his suffering he would put his leg up on chairs, consoles etc. to get some relief and in some of the shots you can see him lean to the left due to the pain.
Talking about tight fitting uniforms that have no wrinkles. If you have ever looked at a Marine's brown shirt and green trousers dress uniform (Service A with long sleeve and jacket & Service B short sleeve & no jacket) you may have wondered how the shirts stay wrinkle free even when they bend over and the socks never sag down. In that uniform you have stirrups that clip onto the bottom of the shirt and go all the way down to the socks holding the top tight no mater if sitting or standing. You have four stirrups. Two front and two back but you wrap them around the outside of your leg. The stirrup attached to the shirt front goes down, around the knee, connecting to the back of your sock. Vis versa for the stirrup on the back of the shirt. These can leave red irritating marks on your legs if you have to wear them all day. Most combat and logistics Narines wear the camouflage fatigues at work. Those working in offices at the Platoon, Company & Battalion level usually only wear that uniform on just before a holiday break, an awards or special event, inspections & some units do it every Friday. Some office workers have to wear that uniform almost every day with the camouflage uniform being only on cleaning or field training days. The Marines always in thst uniform usually work at the higher level, come into contact with the general public a lot or have a job compairable to one where in the civilian world you would wear a tie & dress suit all day. Examples are Regiment & Division level, Law Offices, some guards, drill instructors & training receiving staff, medical offices and other specialty locations like that. I spent the majority of my time in the Marine Corp working as a secretary for a Master Gunnery Sargent at the Regiment level. Being around the highest rank non commisioned officer enlisted in the Marines, Captains, Majors, Colonels and Generals all day they want you to look your best. Haircut every seven days, everything always shined, clean and ironed. Most Marines have maybe four to seven camouflage, two of the brown and green uniforms and one set of the super fancy dress blues you see on all the ads to join. I had three camouflage, five Service A, five Service B & three Dress Blue because of how often we wore them and no time to dry clean between use.
Hence "the dancing doctor" was an allusion to McFadden's talents. Maybe they joked about it on the set and then found a way to write it in for "Data's Day".
This was one of your best videos yet, Marcus. I knew more than two thirds of the info, and yet I was entertained till the end. Solid job to everyone involved. Excellent work.
Right? Truth is, they were so strapped for funds by the time they were shooting, I imagine the sound guy had to bring his own equipment and two wardrobe packs in his checked baggage on their Delta flight to location.
I always felt the Captain's Grey was totally underutilized. We saw Picard, Sisko, and Janeway each wear it at some point, but very rarely. I always felt the Captain and his 1st and 3nf Officers should have their own uniform so you always know if you are looking at someone in command. The Grey would fit that.
A lot of people say that the show got good when Riker grows the beard, but really it’s when they change the uniforms. Not only does the show just clearly improve but you can now actually take these characters seriously when they ditch the space PJs.
In later seasons, after they dropped the one-piece spandex uniforms, you can still see background crew members wearing the old spandex jumpsuits, but with a collar added. The zipper up the front is a giveaway. Maybe they didn't get enough budget to replace all of them?
Movie & TV studios will always cut costs when possible. When they made Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, they re-dyed and altered some of the uniforms from Star Trek: The Motion Picture to make the new cadet and enlisted uniforms.
I actually had my own Starfleet uniforms when I was a kid. I had the original jump suit version and later had replaced it with one that was just the shirt when the jump suit didn't fit me anymore. The jump suit actually does have a zipper which is in the BACK of the uniform. The shirt was much easier to get in and out of... plus made going to the bathroom easier since I no longer needed to strip down just to pee. It was a two piece uniform in the show with a shirt and pants but I just wore a regular pair of black pants with the shirt which didn't quite match the look of the uniforms in the show but was close enough. And yes just like in the show, the shirt did have a tendency to ride up causing me to have to constantly pull the Picard maneuver. I never had the jacket though and that is something I always wanted as a kid to complete the uniform. Both versions of the uniform also had padded shoulders which was more of an 80's look which is weird considering the show was made in the 90's and set in the future... Did they think the padded shoulders were going to make a come back? One other difference between the jump suit and the shirt... the jump suit I had, the com badge and pips were actually printed onto the uniform as part of the fabric. I had actual pinned on ones which I placed over the prints so you couldn't even see that the prints were there but it did make the uniform look like a cheap Halloween costume rather than a replica of something they would of actually worn on set which is what it was meant to be. The shirt however did not have prints on the uniform so it looks a lot better. Plus the pips can be removed as needed to represent different ranks rather than needing to have them all on to cover up the hideous print on ones. By the way... I still have the shirt hanging in my closet even though it doesn't fit me anymore. I've also had a few different com badges. One was held on with two pins that went through the fabric. There were backings on the pins to prevent them from stabbing ME, the pips are held on the same way. The bad part about that is since it had electronics to make the com badge noise it stuck out a bit instead of being flat like on the show and the backing part eventually wore down from repeated use of pressing the button so I actually did poke myself a few times even with the backings on. That was replaces with a magnetic one which looked a lot better and it still had electronics but those were built into the part that would be UNDER my uniform so no would see it. The down side to this version was that the magnet was not very strong so the badge would be constantly sliding down my chest and I'd have to readjust it back to it's proper place. I've actually very recently got a new com badge with a MUCH stronger magnet but no electronics. I still want that jacket though.
I do notice on an Admiral's uniform though, ex. Admiral Ross' uniform on DS9, Admiral Dougherty's uniform on Star Trek: Insurrection, and Admiral Paris' uniform in Star Trek: Voyager.
Yep, I assumed it was a deleted scene where it was removed or a blooper where Stewart was messing around and comedically threw it, never to be found again.
This whole time I thought that colour change was indicative of some special trait of the medical branch like the darker blue meant you were some other type of physician or more qualified or perhaps a difference between medical and medical services. How interesting to learn it was simply that she had a custom uniform
The TNG uniform was a Lycra-wool blended "spandex" with about a two millimeter per cm stretch. (Quite limited for a spandex.)This gave it a smooth form over the body without detail
Considering her duties, especially when it came to first contact situations and liaison between the Captain and various visitors and delegates, it actually made sense for her to not wear a standard uniform. It made her look like she was not military, but instead more of a civilian representative of Starfleet when it came to those situations, and less of a meeting with an officer when it came to her job as the ship's psychologist. I actually didn't know she was an officer until well into the series. I think some of that was the actresses' desire to be made into more of a serious character than anything the writers originally designed her as. I've always found it interesting that they even thought of the position of ship's counselor in the first place. Considering a lot of research done by NASA and others over the past couple of decades with respect to a future mission to Mars show psychological problems among astronauts are a key issue that will have to be handled during long voyages in space, it seems the writers of TNG had a pretty good idea. I did find it odd that the ship's counselor didn't have a staff though. One psychologist for that many crew seems off. Her beta-whatever mind powers might make her pretty useful on the bridge in certain situations, but she couldn't possibly handle the psychological needs of an entire crew, plus families by herself.
@@Kelnx It was the late 80s. Society had realized that there were positive aspects to therapy, but hadn't nearly fleshed out the scope of its role for ordinary people in non-hospital/asylum settings, much less on a TV drama. Ship's counselor on a modern show would probably operate similar to the Chief Medical Officer, as head of a specialized staff.
Marcus, my question is this. In Voyager, Torres' uniform has a pocket that she keeps some tools in on the upper jacket. When did this start? Was it standard for all uniforms or just Engineering.. or just B'lana?
I would have never thought a video on TNG uniforms would be that interesting, but I'm pleasantly surprised. I chalk a lot of it up to Marcus' presentation skills.
and something that you might not have known about the uniforms in generations is that Jonathan Frakes was actually wearing Avery Brooks costume and LeVar Burton was wearing Colm Meane costume (notice how the arms on his costume are too long) Data and Picard new uniforms were the only 2 specially made for the actors.
I think the scant would've been less reviled if it wasn't a literal miniskirt with bare legs. The new "scant" in Discovery is more like a long labcoat than anything.
I was in the Army and I used a flat blousing strap for my pants and loved it, but in the 3rd grade my mom bought me strip pants and I hated them so much I 'fell' down and made a hole in the knee and 'couldn't' wear them anymore... my poor mom (I'm so sorry)
The Picard comm badge problem retroactively makes Generations make a _bit_ more sense. The Duras sisters would be *incredibly* stupid to let him keep the comm badge and somehow allow the Enterprise to get a transporter lock on him, thus loosing their valuable hostage. Taking a Starfleet Officer Hostage 101: ALWAYS REMOVE THEIR COMM BADGE.
I noticed it and figured they screwed up since the movie was so stupid. Plus Picard directly beamed down from the ENTERPRISE not using the Klingon transporter.
@@mem1701movies But in the dialogue Picard says he'll beam to the Klingon ship and they will beam him to Soran. So the only real error is the colour of the transporter beam when he arrives on the planet
@@mem1701movies: I considered it a torch passing film, and thus became underrated. I never knew the com badge issue before now tho. Now I’ll look for it.
The description of the lyrcra cloth (though I have heard it in several places) seems rather odd to me in modern times, because as long as I've been shopping for clothes (the last 20 years or so) polyester-lyrcra clothing has been well known for being cooler that almost any natural fabrics, having better moisture management properties than any type of cloth except wool, being anti-microbial and not smelling nearly as much as cotton, and being very stretchy and comfortable. These are the reasons why almost all sports wear (swimming, cycling, running, team uniforms, etc.) Are made of polyester and lyrcra. It makes me wonder what changed.
I’ve always seen the multiple uniforms in Generations as Star Fleet was coming out with new uniforms, but the old uniforms were still authorized for wear until enough new ones were available for everyone. The US military does that when it issues new uniform designs - the old ones are phased out over time.
@@christinewillett747 there's an episode of DS9, Rapture, which is when the uniform switch-over occurs for DS9. When Sisko is in the lost Bajoran city, Admiral Whatley is accompanied by a commander wearing a TNG era uniform. That's another thing... Admiral Whatley and Admiral Ross in DS9's A Time to Stand wear an Admiral's uniform that's introduced in TNG. Specifically the one Admiral Nechayev wears. My main guess is that there's probably an overlap time and there's also a period of time in which ships probably could choose to pick one uniform or the other. After Voyager established contact with Starfleet command, what stopped them from downloading the new uniform specs and then getting the crew to replicate new uniforms? Plus, Voyager departs DS9 in Caretaker wearing their uniforms, when we see in DS9 Season 4 that Starfleet are still using TNG uniforms.
They're called "plastrons" and are a standard feature of men's jacket construction, so any costumers worth their tailor's chalk would know how to fit them.
They were not the same. They were literally padding that men wore on an undershirt that mimicked the shape of muscular pecs in order to give the illusion of an ideal muscular chest and V shaped torso. Many of the male actors from TNG, DS9 and Voyager have since admitted that they also had to wear a girdle.
In the Star Trek movies , Scotty has no Captains bar on his engineering vest. There's an officers bar on the left side ( Starfleet insignia pin) but on the right shoulder there's an empty vertical slot where the rank pin should be. There isn't one. " Believe me, I'm an engineering captain, now if I can only find the damn pin." Scotty.
6 - You mentioned the TNG uniforms showing up in DS9, they also showed up in Voyager (Riker wore one when Q brought him to Voyager) and Enterprise (Troi and Riker ) They also show up in Picard.
I made the same assumption about Picard's missing com-badge, but I thought the mistake was with the transporter vfx because I thought he was beaming to the Klingon ship first, so it would explain why he didn't have the badge.
From what I've heard, The studio really wanted to make Generations redesign work, but it was a perfect storm of problems, there was difficulty structuring the uniforms, not enough material to dye for the revisions and not much time to finalize the revisions before filming was set to begin. If it wasn't for the short period between TNG's series finale and the preproduction of Star Trek Generations, there probably would have been more time to iron out the flaws in the design and get them looking even nicer than they ultimately did.
I too love that leather shoulder captain's jacket from TNG, apart from the fact it doesn't seem to do up at the front if one so wishes so you can have smart and casual in one item.
If you ever wonder why it was the TNG and following casts were required to wear specifically-restrictive undergarments, just think back to how needlessly revealing the uniforms in Star Trek: The Motion Picture were, especially Will Decker's unitard. You can clearly see Decker's (insert rhyming term here).
When it just TOS, I had a book about the costumes. The designer’s job was to make it look like the women guest star’s costume was about to fall off. They were pretty cool.
Picard is missing his com-badge on Veridian III? Curse you Marcus for pointing that out to me! ... But thankfully it works for the story and can be explained away. LLAP 🖖
See, I heard part of the reason for the "Picard Maneuver" was that Gene Roddenberry didn't like the uniforms to have wrinkles or look bunched up so the actors were told to tug them for a cleaner look.
I always found it odd that no Starfleet personnel ever wore some kind of body armor when they were on away missions. Even in episodes where they knew they were going into battle(like when the DS9 crew teamed up with the Jem'Hadar). And don't say they wore personal force fields because plenty of them have been shot and killed/injured over the years
I've always wondered about Counselor Troi's teal dress. I was a fan of it because Marina Sirtis wore it well, but it doesn't seem to fit with the "ship's counselor alternate uniform" style that she wore for the bulk of the series. Those did at least give the impression that they could pass as a type of Star Fleet uniform, unless you're under Capt. Jellico's command. The teal dress, however, seems more like a civilian garment, which since Deanna was a Star Fleet Academy graduate, a Lt. Commander for the bulk of the series ("Farpoint" to "Thine Own Self"), and no other officers or enlisted crewmembers are allowed to wear something that "outside the box", it does make one wonder if there is an in-canon reason for such a permission. After all, Riker shut down Ro's wearing of the Bajoran earring, due to it not being "Regulation"... despite never batting an eyelash over Worf's various baldrics, even though they were essentially not regulation either, due to being an article of culturally specific apparel. Memory Alpha says it may depend on an individual ship or star base commander's discretion as to whether or not to allow it, or that the regulations eased when more Bajorans began joining Star Fleet... Still doesn't explain why not a single word said to Worf about his baldric when he's the only Klingon in Star Fleet. Costuming quirks are a fun discussion topic, aren't they? 😁
Not any different on dress code in the workplace. Some places may have very conservative dress code, where you have to wear a suit even on a Friday during the summer, and some that are so liberal, especially on casual Friday, where you can show up to work in a tee shirt and a pair of shorts, for example at a computer company in Silicon Valley.
Picard has a very relaxed style of command. He expects a lot from his crew, but he is not going to micromanaged every little step. Jellico believe in a very strict adherence to the rules. So, he does sound like a guy who is going to micromanaged his crew every little step.
Nice video. You can clearly see the zip closing on the back of the later costumes, so, in Star Trek universe, who is responsible for opening and closing them, unless the crew are also trained contortionists? Or do they have dressers?
At the start, you mentioned the TNG uniforms were designed to resemble the colors of TOS... Do you happen to know why they swapped the red & gold coloring?
I read that it had to do with the whole red shirt joke/meme from TOS. So, as a result, they swapped the colors to try to fight image of red shorts dying all the time.
Honestly, Stewart not having his badge on Veridian 3 looked badass. I'd never noticed how distracting the badges are from the Uniform, so seeing the Uniform without the badge made it look even better.
An oversimplification used to be that the NCC-1701 was the only ship with the crew complement roughly the same at the end of the 5 year mission. That arrow head/delta shield became the norm. Or something.
Wesley Crushers' com badge was a solid silver color, it wasn't the two toned gold and silver the other officers had. At least while he wore the grey uniform.
You missed a big one. The shoulder design and colors are supposed to make them look like they are wearing capes, reminiscent of superman and other comic book heroes
Wil Wheaton referred to the pectoral padding in the costume as "molded muscles" in his Shatner Story (which is a short piece he wrote and occasionally performs, about what a colossal jerk William Shatner was to Wil after he finally worked up the courage to talk to him (with help from a cinematographer who introduced them), and about Gene Roddenberry forcing Shatner to write an apology to Wheaton after word got back to him through the grapevine). He recalled the padding as being particularly mortifying to him as a skinny teenager.
I honestly thought that Picard's lack of comm badge on Veridian 3 was intentional, perhaps in the Klingon's didn't want him to be trackable. However, if this was truly a mistake and someone forgot the comm badge, why didn't they just borrow one from another cast member who maybe wasn't shooting that day?? Unless of course it was only a few people in Nevada doing that scene.
Definitely cover the “Picard maneuver” in a future video and compare it to Kirk’s “Z-axis” maneuver from “Wrath of Khan”. There are other maneuvers mentioned in Star Trek history so a “top 10” might be doable.
Marina has a whole routine about the many different uniforms she had to wear as Troi. The best bit was about Troi's green dress, described as a leotard with a skirt sewn on, "so to go to the bathroom I had to get naked."
8:12 looks more like the 'new uniform standard' took place prior to a shift change. It was a fairly recent thing when the US military changed uniforms; you'd see tan boots with BDUs, the ACP often worn in the same formation as the Multicam, or the recent 'Scorpion' pattern (more green than the Multicams) with Multicams & ACP.
The two-piece uniforms in season 3 remind me of marching band uniforms. It would make sense to me that they’d also have band style bibbers on underneath instead of just trousers since the jackets are a relatively short cut, but I have no idea how to corroborate that
Kewl stuff. There's also the occasional scene where an ensign on the back half of the entire series would turn up in the background in a uniform that was obviously from season 1 or 2.
About Picard's combadge in Generations, I genuinely thought it was the way Marcus described: the Duras sisters taking away it from Picard since I thought he was transported to their ship before being beamed down to the planet. Now I can't unsee that one... 😅
Even if they didnt want to spend an hour or so waiting for a comm badge, they could have easily wrote in an action where he reaches up to tap it and looks down like "damn its not there"
Makes sense. In "Angel One", Riker is basically shirtless, and he is in no way "ripped" and does not have a Wrestler's Chest, but when wearing the Starfleet Uniform he is clearly more buff looking. I never clued in. My mind is blown too lol.
Bigger prouder chests, taller shoulders, slimmer girdled waists. Padded and packaged, reinforced, supported, enhanced. The men, the women, even the children. They also tend to film everybody from around mid-chest height, so they all look tall and impressive, so we're basically forced to view them from the perspective of a child.
It was because of the "Red shirt always dies meme" So they put some of the top stars in the red uniforms and started nuking blue uniform people instead.
I noticed Picard missing his comm badge the first time I saw the movie. I always assumed that even though he beams directly from the Enterprise to the planet, he had made an agreement with the Kingons to be part of a prisoner exchange for LaForge, so I assumed he removed it as part of their deal. Otherwise the Enterprise could have easily beamed him back once LaForge was back on the Enterprise
There is one TOS episode where Kirk beams up without his Enterprise logo on the uniform. They forgot to put it back on when they got it back trom the dry cleaners.
I'd love a TrekCulture look at the Strange New Worlds uniforms - Personally, I love way they're all clearly related and cohesive, and yet allow for a bit of personal style
Wil Wheaton talks about in his book how he often needed help getting his uniform on and would wait till the very last second before filming as it was very uncomfortable!
ST: TNG... the uniforms were supposed to sate the sci-fi nerd community's strong desire for all clothing to innately be form-fitting and not having clothing wrinkles because the technology would allow it. You know, clothing be like comic book characters' virtual body paint outfits. Turns out, it was not such an easy nor smart thing to do on a sci-fi series.
I seem to remember an episode where Picard started the episode in the standard uniform, and was going to be beaming down to a cold planet. He comments that he will need to replicator to create a cold weather uniform for him yo wear, then arrives on the planet's surface wearing the jacket uniform that he would often wear. However I know that was not the jacket's first appearance, leaving me to wonder if the episodes aired out of order, or if I'm just remembering an episode that doesn't exist.
Another tid bit from Generations, because of the last minute change to the uniforms they had to borrow DS9 costumes. This is why LeVar Burton looks like he's swimming in his, because it's actually Colm Meaney's.
Different style uniforms worn by different people at the same time is not so confusing if you've served in the US military. When I joined the Army, we were issued the olive drab green "pickle suits". Soon after, we went to the woodland camouflage BDUs, with the change order coming that the old uniforms could be "worn while serviceable." Same thing when the dress green uniform was modified a few years later: "wear until unserviceable", so I was not at all surprised to see different people wearing different uniforms on TNG. Even during the First Gulf War, not everyone was issued desert camouflage (light tan, dark tan, and specs of black). Many of us still had the woodland camouflage (green, brown, tan and black)
Hell there were 2 different desert camo patterns
9:31 With regards to Picard missing his combadge in Generations, it wouldn't have made sense if he was wearing it in the first place since if you saw the movie, him being on the planet surface with Soran was a prisoner exchange between him and Geordi. Wouldn't make sense for him to wear the badge if he was Soran's prisoner. He beamed onto the Klingon ship, and then onto the surface. While on the Klingon ship, they removed his badge. This was the plan as suggested by Picard prior to him transporting on the planet while on the bridge discussing with the Klingon sisters. So I guess it was a good thing that someone didn't pack the badge for the trip. He was a prisoner so he wouldn't have needed it anyway.
The only mistake I see, and one that has bugged me for a long time now was when Picard beamed onto the surface, his transport beam pattern was that of the Enterprise and not the Klingon transport beam pattern. Seeing as he was beaming from the Klingon ship, his transport pattern shouldn't be that of the Enterprise.
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ahh good point, very good point.
I hope the likes prove this is a good point because I don't remember the details enough, but I do remember noticing the missing combadge and thinking it was intentional or otherwise made sense.
Honestly, that is what everyone believed. Why would you beam a Prisoner to the surface with an obvious way to escape or a method for Picard to contact the Enterprise at all prior to the Klingon attack? The first thing any POW gets is their communication device removed to prevent talking to anyone or a method of escape.
I was going to post this exact same thing. I never saw it as a mistake. It WOULD'VE been one if he HAD the badge.
I was the project manager for the It's a Wrap! Star Trek Auction from 2006-2009 and it's all true. Shoulder pads, specialized flexibility for stunt costumes, different color dyes, body suits..., we saw it all.
You saw the full Riker?
@@NeoTechni "you saw the Full Riker" 😂😂🤣🤣
What was your favorite item or lot in the auction? Have any interesting stories to share during your time as a project manager?
The Riker maneuver was due to Frakes having a bad back from being a furniture mover in his past.
He would lean on something or bring his leg above a chair before he sat to provide relief for his back.
Imagine Riker doing the chair maneuver wearing a Skant.
My eyes! Can't un-see...
Hope he remembered his starfleet-issue 'Support Briefs'
Of course, it's not that I can't imagine that. It's that I won't imagine that. :-)
The comm badge was invented because during the Kirk era, the first thing that got taken was your communicator. The comm badge looked like part of the uniform.
On "The Wrath of Khan", after saving the Enterprise, Spock slowly stood up, and did the first Picard maneuver , by straightening the bottom part of his red jacket. , It was the logical thing to do.
"That badass leather-shouldered jacket" also looks like it was made of velvet, so it looked good and felt good!
suede or velour, I think, but yeah, it looked good. -- There's a rust-colored suede wraparound jacket in TOS that they had on a space officer in the first pilot, and something similar turns up on Charlie X, although he initially has an ugly fake-fur / shag carpet jacket thing.
@@benw9949 its a material called alcantara, its a faux suede and relatively cheap (I seriously have no idea why auto makers tout this material as "high end" in their vehicles)
@@keithk2920 Huh. I always just assumed it was suede. Is alcantara the same material used for a bunch of couches these days?
@@LauraPalay I have seen some, but they usually use a thicker material that is more durable. The material was basically designed to be a fake suede.
I just assumed it was suede died red. And that would make sense if you think about it. What better way to decorate a leather jacket but with more leather?
I heard Frakes has a perpetual back injury he sustained while moving furniture, hence putting his foot on everything. I'm sure the S1/S2 uniforms didn't help.
You are correct on the back injury
Correct, that's why he could not sit down a normal way and put his foot on everything. Must have been painfull all the time.
@@JaapNL-55 He carried it very well indeed
It also lead to the Riker maneuver (Stepping over the back of a chair). Hmmmm, maybe that's why he never became Captain as the Captains chair has a taller back.
Edit: Yes, he did eventually become captain. I'm just referring to him always turning it down in the TNG series ;).
And the "Riker lean" he'd shift his weight to the left side to take some pressure off his back.
Mr. Frakes had suffered a back injury years before Next Generation, and standing long hours caused him pain so to ease his suffering he would put his leg up on chairs, consoles etc. to get some relief and in some of the shots you can see him lean to the left due to the pain.
Talking about tight fitting uniforms that have no wrinkles. If you have ever looked at a Marine's brown shirt and green trousers dress uniform (Service A with long sleeve and jacket & Service B short sleeve & no jacket) you may have wondered how the shirts stay wrinkle free even when they bend over and the socks never sag down. In that uniform you have stirrups that clip onto the bottom of the shirt and go all the way down to the socks holding the top tight no mater if sitting or standing. You have four stirrups. Two front and two back but you wrap them around the outside of your leg. The stirrup attached to the shirt front goes down, around the knee, connecting to the back of your sock. Vis versa for the stirrup on the back of the shirt. These can leave red irritating marks on your legs if you have to wear them all day. Most combat and logistics Narines wear the camouflage fatigues at work. Those working in offices at the Platoon, Company & Battalion level usually only wear that uniform on just before a holiday break, an awards or special event, inspections & some units do it every Friday. Some office workers have to wear that uniform almost every day with the camouflage uniform being only on cleaning or field training days. The Marines always in thst uniform usually work at the higher level, come into contact with the general public a lot or have a job compairable to one where in the civilian world you would wear a tie & dress suit all day. Examples are Regiment & Division level, Law Offices, some guards, drill instructors & training receiving staff, medical offices and other specialty locations like that. I spent the majority of my time in the Marine Corp working as a secretary for a Master Gunnery Sargent at the Regiment level. Being around the highest rank non commisioned officer enlisted in the Marines, Captains, Majors, Colonels and Generals all day they want you to look your best. Haircut every seven days, everything always shined, clean and ironed. Most Marines have maybe four to seven camouflage, two of the brown and green uniforms and one set of the super fancy dress blues you see on all the ads to join. I had three camouflage, five Service A, five Service B & three Dress Blue because of how often we wore them and no time to dry clean between use.
I recently picked up a vintage USAF bomber jacket. Every time I get out of the car it rides up and I have to employment the Picard Maneuver.
I have an MA-1. Every single time.
Thats me with my uniform jacket.
Yes my RAF bomber jacket does the same! But it's so comfortable otherwise.
yupppp
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Gates McFadden was a professional dancer used to leotards, and it showed. She owned that look.
110%
Giggidy
This makes perfect sense.
Hence "the dancing doctor" was an allusion to McFadden's talents. Maybe they joked about it on the set and then found a way to write it in for "Data's Day".
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This was one of your best videos yet, Marcus. I knew more than two thirds of the info, and yet I was entertained till the end. Solid job to everyone involved. Excellent work.
I can hear the director yelling at the person who forgot to pack the com-badge. "You had ONE job!"
Right? Truth is, they were so strapped for funds by the time they were shooting, I imagine the sound guy had to bring his own equipment and two wardrobe packs in his checked baggage on their Delta flight to location.
I always felt the Captain's Grey was totally underutilized.
We saw Picard, Sisko, and Janeway each wear it at some point, but very rarely.
I always felt the Captain and his 1st and 3nf Officers should have their own uniform so you always know if you are looking at someone in command.
The Grey would fit that.
Most definitely
When I saw the new uniforms in season 3, I loved it immediately, so much better!
ikr? i miss those!!! :)
So much more practical too!
A lot of people say that the show got good when Riker grows the beard, but really it’s when they change the uniforms. Not only does the show just clearly improve but you can now actually take these characters seriously when they ditch the space PJs.
Amazing what a collar can do.
It was good for the crew as well, the tight jumpsuits from seasons 1 & 2 were giving the actors back pain.
In later seasons, after they dropped the one-piece spandex uniforms, you can still see background crew members wearing the old spandex jumpsuits, but with a collar added. The zipper up the front is a giveaway. Maybe they didn't get enough budget to replace all of them?
"Yesterday's Enterprise" turns this into really effective worldbuilding.
Movie & TV studios will always cut costs when possible. When they made Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, they re-dyed and altered some of the uniforms from Star Trek: The Motion Picture to make the new cadet and enlisted uniforms.
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I appreciate the energy you bring to the video! Your commentary was fun and lighthearted and you seem to really enjoy the show!
I actually had my own Starfleet uniforms when I was a kid. I had the original jump suit version and later had replaced it with one that was just the shirt when the jump suit didn't fit me anymore. The jump suit actually does have a zipper which is in the BACK of the uniform. The shirt was much easier to get in and out of... plus made going to the bathroom easier since I no longer needed to strip down just to pee. It was a two piece uniform in the show with a shirt and pants but I just wore a regular pair of black pants with the shirt which didn't quite match the look of the uniforms in the show but was close enough. And yes just like in the show, the shirt did have a tendency to ride up causing me to have to constantly pull the Picard maneuver. I never had the jacket though and that is something I always wanted as a kid to complete the uniform. Both versions of the uniform also had padded shoulders which was more of an 80's look which is weird considering the show was made in the 90's and set in the future... Did they think the padded shoulders were going to make a come back?
One other difference between the jump suit and the shirt... the jump suit I had, the com badge and pips were actually printed onto the uniform as part of the fabric. I had actual pinned on ones which I placed over the prints so you couldn't even see that the prints were there but it did make the uniform look like a cheap Halloween costume rather than a replica of something they would of actually worn on set which is what it was meant to be. The shirt however did not have prints on the uniform so it looks a lot better. Plus the pips can be removed as needed to represent different ranks rather than needing to have them all on to cover up the hideous print on ones.
By the way... I still have the shirt hanging in my closet even though it doesn't fit me anymore.
I've also had a few different com badges. One was held on with two pins that went through the fabric. There were backings on the pins to prevent them from stabbing ME, the pips are held on the same way. The bad part about that is since it had electronics to make the com badge noise it stuck out a bit instead of being flat like on the show and the backing part eventually wore down from repeated use of pressing the button so I actually did poke myself a few times even with the backings on. That was replaces with a magnetic one which looked a lot better and it still had electronics but those were built into the part that would be UNDER my uniform so no would see it. The down side to this version was that the magnet was not very strong so the badge would be constantly sliding down my chest and I'd have to readjust it back to it's proper place. I've actually very recently got a new com badge with a MUCH stronger magnet but no electronics. I still want that jacket though.
I've never noticed Picards belt buckle before.
Me neither
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I do notice on an Admiral's uniform though, ex. Admiral Ross' uniform on DS9, Admiral Dougherty's uniform on Star Trek: Insurrection, and Admiral Paris' uniform in Star Trek: Voyager.
I noticed Picards com badge was missing but I thought it was removed do he couldn't try and hail a ship in orbit
Or be tracked by the ship... Though they'd still pick up life signs, unless Soran had some jamming equipment down there.
@@joermnyc good point.
@@joermnyc remember they had trouble penetrating the planet's atmosphere- hence Data's life forms song
i thought it was removed for a similar reason lol
Yep, I assumed it was a deleted scene where it was removed or a blooper where Stewart was messing around and comedically threw it, never to be found again.
I never realized that Dr. Crusher has a different uniform in seasons 3-4. I knew the tone looked different in color.
I always thought all the greenish uniforms were weird, now I learn it was just hers that was different.
If you look closely, you can see the difference in material by the way it lays.
This whole time I thought that colour change was indicative of some special trait of the medical branch like the darker blue meant you were some other type of physician or more qualified or perhaps a difference between medical and medical services. How interesting to learn it was simply that she had a custom uniform
Being a doctor has its privileges
I never really noticed because she usually wore a jacket over it.
The TNG uniform was a Lycra-wool blended "spandex" with about a two millimeter per cm stretch. (Quite limited for a spandex.)This gave it a smooth form over the body without detail
Extraordinary that after 20 years of being a star trek fan there are still nes things to learn ! Sweet video
The Mandarin collar was the best move along with putting Troi in a Uniform
The season 1 cheerleader look had its virtues, it has to be said...
Considering her duties, especially when it came to first contact situations and liaison between the Captain and various visitors and delegates, it actually made sense for her to not wear a standard uniform. It made her look like she was not military, but instead more of a civilian representative of Starfleet when it came to those situations, and less of a meeting with an officer when it came to her job as the ship's psychologist. I actually didn't know she was an officer until well into the series. I think some of that was the actresses' desire to be made into more of a serious character than anything the writers originally designed her as.
I've always found it interesting that they even thought of the position of ship's counselor in the first place. Considering a lot of research done by NASA and others over the past couple of decades with respect to a future mission to Mars show psychological problems among astronauts are a key issue that will have to be handled during long voyages in space, it seems the writers of TNG had a pretty good idea. I did find it odd that the ship's counselor didn't have a staff though. One psychologist for that many crew seems off. Her beta-whatever mind powers might make her pretty useful on the bridge in certain situations, but she couldn't possibly handle the psychological needs of an entire crew, plus families by herself.
@@Kelnx It was the late 80s. Society had realized that there were positive aspects to therapy, but hadn't nearly fleshed out the scope of its role for ordinary people in non-hospital/asylum settings, much less on a TV drama. Ship's counselor on a modern show would probably operate similar to the Chief Medical Officer, as head of a specialized staff.
I loved that green dress, though. I wanted one.
Now I want one of those bras...
S1 Cheerleader Style and Green Dress were my fave Troi looks. *chef's kiss'*
Marcus, my question is this. In Voyager, Torres' uniform has a pocket that she keeps some tools in on the upper jacket. When did this start? Was it standard for all uniforms or just Engineering.. or just B'lana?
I would have never thought a video on TNG uniforms would be that interesting, but I'm pleasantly surprised. I chalk a lot of it up to Marcus' presentation skills.
"That's Dark"
They have Captain Picard's jacket you were talking about for sale for around 100 bucks on a site called USA Leather.
and something that you might not have known about the uniforms in generations is that Jonathan Frakes was actually wearing Avery Brooks costume and LeVar Burton was wearing Colm Meane costume (notice how the arms on his costume are too long) Data and Picard new uniforms were the only 2 specially made for the actors.
I bet in-universe the skant was retired when an out of shape male crewmember bent over in front of an admiral while picking something up.
Nechayev would never grope a guy! Would she?
a "rear" admiral? :P
It was probably like that skit in family guy when Peter wore jean shorts
I think the scant would've been less reviled if it wasn't a literal miniskirt with bare legs.
The new "scant" in Discovery is more like a long labcoat than anything.
@@KyokujiFGC Yeah bare legs was a bit much.
The stirrup down the back holding the uniform in place are familiar to US Marines. We wear shirt stays when in our dress and service uniforms
The Air Force had them, too. Call them what you will, they were still just garters. HATED THEM. But I did look sharp. (Back then anyway)
@@middleburgprepper2342 With or with out pants on? I find the later one rather disturbing. Unless you are female.... perhaps.
I always wondered what kind of person irons and starches their underwear 😜
(That's from Family Guy)
I was in the Army and I used a flat blousing strap for my pants and loved it, but in the 3rd grade my mom bought me strip pants and I hated them so much I 'fell' down and made a hole in the knee and 'couldn't' wear them anymore... my poor mom (I'm so sorry)
@@middleburgprepper2342 Used to like ST,just found out their website is condoning socialism bullshit. Oh well,something else not to watch now lol.
The Picard comm badge problem retroactively makes Generations make a _bit_ more sense. The Duras sisters would be *incredibly* stupid to let him keep the comm badge and somehow allow the Enterprise to get a transporter lock on him, thus loosing their valuable hostage. Taking a Starfleet Officer Hostage 101: ALWAYS REMOVE THEIR COMM BADGE.
I've known the combage error for years but never heard this tidbit before. Awesome!
I noticed it and figured they screwed up since the movie was so stupid. Plus Picard directly beamed down from the ENTERPRISE not using the Klingon transporter.
@@mem1701movies But in the dialogue Picard says he'll beam to the Klingon ship and they will beam him to Soran. So the only real error is the colour of the transporter beam when he arrives on the planet
@@mem1701movies: I considered it a torch passing film, and thus became underrated. I never knew the com badge issue before now tho. Now I’ll look for it.
The description of the lyrcra cloth (though I have heard it in several places) seems rather odd to me in modern times, because as long as I've been shopping for clothes (the last 20 years or so) polyester-lyrcra clothing has been well known for being cooler that almost any natural fabrics, having better moisture management properties than any type of cloth except wool, being anti-microbial and not smelling nearly as much as cotton, and being very stretchy and comfortable. These are the reasons why almost all sports wear (swimming, cycling, running, team uniforms, etc.) Are made of polyester and lyrcra.
It makes me wonder what changed.
The most confusing thing about Star Trek generations is that there were different officers wearing different style uniforms all throughout the movie
To me it was PICARD being able to go anywhere at anytime chooses NOT to go back to TEN FORWARD to arrest Soren.
@@mem1701movies I don't think Picard knew who Soren was. But guinan should have filled him in.
I’ve always seen the multiple uniforms in Generations as Star Fleet was coming out with new uniforms, but the old uniforms were still authorized for wear until enough new ones were available for everyone. The US military does that when it issues new uniform designs - the old ones are phased out over time.
@@christinewillett747 there's an episode of DS9, Rapture, which is when the uniform switch-over occurs for DS9. When Sisko is in the lost Bajoran city, Admiral Whatley is accompanied by a commander wearing a TNG era uniform.
That's another thing... Admiral Whatley and Admiral Ross in DS9's A Time to Stand wear an Admiral's uniform that's introduced in TNG. Specifically the one Admiral Nechayev wears.
My main guess is that there's probably an overlap time and there's also a period of time in which ships probably could choose to pick one uniform or the other. After Voyager established contact with Starfleet command, what stopped them from downloading the new uniform specs and then getting the crew to replicate new uniforms?
Plus, Voyager departs DS9 in Caretaker wearing their uniforms, when we see in DS9 Season 4 that Starfleet are still using TNG uniforms.
Yes he did. He was in the NEXXUS after meeting him and took Kirk back to the planet instead of TEN FORWARD. Stupid on Picard’s part.
I did not realize that Wesley Crushers Acting ensign Uniform was designed based upon West Point Cadets
Neither did I! All I noticed was that Picard's jacket shoulders followed the same design.
Ya do NOW!
Wil Wheaton rocked that uniform.
The pads on the pecks are probably the same type of pads used for suit jackets. And should be relatively easy to put into a normal jacket.
They're called "plastrons" and are a standard feature of men's jacket construction, so any costumers worth their tailor's chalk would know how to fit them.
They were not the same. They were literally padding that men wore on an undershirt that mimicked the shape of muscular pecs in order to give the illusion of an ideal muscular chest and V shaped torso. Many of the male actors from TNG, DS9 and Voyager have since admitted that they also had to wear a girdle.
Ro's comm badge magically goes from her jacket to the tank top when she removes her jacket.
It has a built-in site-to-site transporter. 🖖
@@thoughtfortheday7811 it was crooked though... Tech didn't have all the kinks worked out yet.
She pinched Picard’s
In the Star Trek movies , Scotty has no Captains bar on his engineering vest. There's an officers bar on the left side ( Starfleet insignia pin) but on the right shoulder there's an empty vertical slot where the rank pin should be.
There isn't one. " Believe me, I'm an engineering captain, now if I can only find the damn pin." Scotty.
I swear on DS9 Sisko seemed to have 2...one on jacket and one on vest
6 - You mentioned the TNG uniforms showing up in DS9, they also showed up in Voyager (Riker wore one when Q brought him to Voyager) and Enterprise (Troi and Riker ) They also show up in Picard.
Well presented Dude. And, you're right, I will never unsee the unseen.
THANKS A LOT
One of my fav TrekCulture vids. Well done.
I made the same assumption about Picard's missing com-badge, but I thought the mistake was with the transporter vfx because I thought he was beaming to the Klingon ship first, so it would explain why he didn't have the badge.
First time on your channel and impressed with your knowledge ,your format and ,of course ,your lovely accent
From what I've heard, The studio really wanted to make Generations redesign work, but it was a perfect storm of problems, there was difficulty structuring the uniforms, not enough material to dye for the revisions and not much time to finalize the revisions before filming was set to begin. If it wasn't for the short period between TNG's series finale and the preproduction of Star Trek Generations, there probably would have been more time to iron out the flaws in the design and get them looking even nicer than they ultimately did.
I have that uniform. Suede it's comfy and utilitarian. No one questions it in public and its one of a kind and I'm in the uk. Your welcome
I am a big fan of what you all do! Keep it up!
I too love that leather shoulder captain's jacket from TNG, apart from the fact it doesn't seem to do up at the front if one so wishes so you can have smart and casual in one item.
If you ever wonder why it was the TNG and following casts were required to wear specifically-restrictive undergarments, just think back to how needlessly revealing the uniforms in Star Trek: The Motion Picture were, especially Will Decker's unitard. You can clearly see Decker's (insert rhyming term here).
They had to emphasize why he was able to keep up with a hypersexual Deltan.
@@animateddepression I didn't say it was big, just that it was visible.
lmao yes!!!
DECKER UNIT!
@@ceewhateyecee9701 Did you just notice that or did you take notes in health class?
When it just TOS, I had a book about the costumes. The designer’s job was to make it look like the women guest star’s costume was about to fall off. They were pretty cool.
I am surprised the Picard jacket was not discussed but this was a great list!
Picard is missing his com-badge on Veridian III? Curse you Marcus for pointing that out to me! ... But thankfully it works for the story and can be explained away. LLAP 🖖
I never thought of it as missing, because it was a "prisoner exchange".
See, I heard part of the reason for the "Picard Maneuver" was that Gene Roddenberry didn't like the uniforms to have wrinkles or look bunched up so the actors were told to tug them for a cleaner look.
This video was surprisingly informational and super random at the same time. XD Thanks for it! :D
I always found it odd that no Starfleet personnel ever wore some kind of body armor when they were on away missions. Even in episodes where they knew they were going into battle(like when the DS9 crew teamed up with the Jem'Hadar). And don't say they wore personal force fields because plenty of them have been shot and killed/injured over the years
😂😂😂
Darth Vader and the Galactic Republic Stormtroopers held the monopoly on that. 😁
@@unityofvitality-5875 better than nothing at all
Always something new to learn about Trek! Thank you, Bronzy.
"It's akin to MAGIC!" Yeah, that line got me to LOL.
I've always wondered about Counselor Troi's teal dress. I was a fan of it because Marina Sirtis wore it well, but it doesn't seem to fit with the "ship's counselor alternate uniform" style that she wore for the bulk of the series. Those did at least give the impression that they could pass as a type of Star Fleet uniform, unless you're under Capt. Jellico's command. The teal dress, however, seems more like a civilian garment, which since Deanna was a Star Fleet Academy graduate, a Lt. Commander for the bulk of the series ("Farpoint" to "Thine Own Self"), and no other officers or enlisted crewmembers are allowed to wear something that "outside the box", it does make one wonder if there is an in-canon reason for such a permission.
After all, Riker shut down Ro's wearing of the Bajoran earring, due to it not being "Regulation"... despite never batting an eyelash over Worf's various baldrics, even though they were essentially not regulation either, due to being an article of culturally specific apparel. Memory Alpha says it may depend on an individual ship or star base commander's discretion as to whether or not to allow it, or that the regulations eased when more Bajorans began joining Star Fleet... Still doesn't explain why not a single word said to Worf about his baldric when he's the only Klingon in Star Fleet.
Costuming quirks are a fun discussion topic, aren't they? 😁
Not any different on dress code in the workplace. Some places may have very conservative dress code, where you have to wear a suit even on a Friday during the summer, and some that are so liberal, especially on casual Friday, where you can show up to work in a tee shirt and a pair of shorts, for example at a computer company in Silicon Valley.
@@bermanmo6237 Good point. Sound logic.
Picard has a very relaxed style of command. He expects a lot from his crew, but he is not going to micromanaged every little step. Jellico believe in a very strict adherence to the rules. So, he does sound like a guy who is going to micromanaged his crew every little step.
Nice video.
You can clearly see the zip closing on the back of the later costumes, so, in Star Trek universe, who is responsible for opening and closing them, unless the crew are also trained contortionists? Or do they have dressers?
automatic zippers, like the self-tying laces in Back to the Future
Ever wondered what self-sealing shaft bolts are for?:)
@@KozKalanndok That's STEM bolts to you! ;)
@@LarryH54 Right...accidentally mixed the German name into that :)
At the start, you mentioned the TNG uniforms were designed to resemble the colors of TOS... Do you happen to know why they swapped the red & gold coloring?
I read that it had to do with the whole red shirt joke/meme from TOS. So, as a result, they swapped the colors to try to fight image of red shorts dying all the time.
Honestly, Stewart not having his badge on Veridian 3 looked badass. I'd never noticed how distracting the badges are from the Uniform, so seeing the Uniform without the badge made it look even better.
I presumed it was a condition he agreed to in order to be able to beam down.
I was hoping for an explanation of the different shapes behind the arrowhead insignia on the combadges.
That would be a cool video
An oversimplification used to be that the NCC-1701 was the only ship with the crew complement roughly the same at the end of the 5 year mission. That arrow head/delta shield became the norm. Or something.
Wesley Crushers' com badge was a solid silver color, it wasn't the two toned gold and silver the other officers had. At least while he wore the grey uniform.
Fascinating. I never noticed that before.
I'm glad someone else noticed, fellow Texan. 👍
Well that explains a lot. I always wondered why everyone in seasons 1 and 2 looked so uncomfortable and constipated.
@09:00 *_i dont see a difference!?_*
_Not just in the grainy clip_ *but other images he shaws referring to it?!?!*
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Is there a video covering the changing rank insignia?
If not, can you make one?
I seem to recall Doctor Pulaski, in Season 2, had her own dress-style uniform she was always wearing. Also, Nhan on Discovery had something similar.
Yeah, Pulaski's uniform was very unique. That dress is never seen before and after Pulaski
Yeah it's because the normal uniforms weren't flattering for her body type. Thus the unique outfit for her.
You missed a big one. The shoulder design and colors are supposed to make them look like they are wearing capes, reminiscent of superman and other comic book heroes
Loved the info and lore. Great video and thanks!
Wil Wheaton referred to the pectoral padding in the costume as "molded muscles" in his Shatner Story (which is a short piece he wrote and occasionally performs, about what a colossal jerk William Shatner was to Wil after he finally worked up the courage to talk to him (with help from a cinematographer who introduced them), and about Gene Roddenberry forcing Shatner to write an apology to Wheaton after word got back to him through the grapevine). He recalled the padding as being particularly mortifying to him as a skinny teenager.
Really... That big bang theory episode where Wil introduced Shatner to Sheldon and Any must have been awkward.
In fairness, Wheaton is a jerk to everyone (even his wife). He probably deserved it.
@@joermnyc He and Shatner have met and worked together a number of times since then, and get along much better now.
There was an episode where Picard lost one of his rank pins and was in a turbo lift with only 3, yet when he left he had 4 again.
yea .. t.v.
It has been almost three hours and some nerd hasn't responded with the episode and timestamp???
@@lucash1980 yea what’re you waiting for
Can't help you there, but in All Good Things, Data's pips in the past were one short.
I honestly thought that Picard's lack of comm badge on Veridian 3 was intentional, perhaps in the Klingon's didn't want him to be trackable. However, if this was truly a mistake and someone forgot the comm badge, why didn't they just borrow one from another cast member who maybe wasn't shooting that day?? Unless of course it was only a few people in Nevada doing that scene.
Pectoral pads for Michael Dorn? Dude was Jacked in TNG though with the DS9 uniform it was hard to tell sometimes
Definitely cover the “Picard maneuver” in a future video and compare it to Kirk’s “Z-axis” maneuver from “Wrath of Khan”. There are other maneuvers mentioned in Star Trek history so a “top 10” might be doable.
The gray leather shoulder jacket was popping! I legit want one of those!
Marcus your Afro is approaching epic levels. Very nice😎
He on that rogaine trials.
Covid hair style?
The 70s are back.
Marina has a whole routine about the many different uniforms she had to wear as Troi. The best bit was about Troi's green dress, described as a leotard with a skirt sewn on, "so to go to the bathroom I had to get naked."
Seeing the lower decks uniforms irl on SNW I think those are my favorite and then the Star Trek 2-6 movie uniforms, then the uniform on ST:Enterprise.
Good evening Marcus, I hope you are well this night. I thank you for sharing this interesting information.
8:12 looks more like the 'new uniform standard' took place prior to a shift change. It was a fairly recent thing when the US military changed uniforms; you'd see tan boots with BDUs, the ACP often worn in the same formation as the Multicam, or the recent 'Scorpion' pattern (more green than the Multicams) with Multicams & ACP.
The two-piece uniforms in season 3 remind me of marching band uniforms. It would make sense to me that they’d also have band style bibbers on underneath instead of just trousers since the jackets are a relatively short cut, but I have no idea how to corroborate that
Kewl stuff. There's also the occasional scene where an ensign on the back half of the entire series would turn up in the background in a uniform that was obviously from season 1 or 2.
About Picard's combadge in Generations, I genuinely thought it was the way Marcus described: the Duras sisters taking away it from Picard since I thought he was transported to their ship before being beamed down to the planet. Now I can't unsee that one... 😅
I liked Crusher’s future uniform on the USS Pasteur. My favorite from the series.
I think the skants would work better if they weren't skin-tight, and maybe more of a kilt idea, rather than a mini-skirt thing.
Literally do the Picard maneuver when I stand up at work
I think we need a poll here, which TNG uniform is the best, the ones in the early series or the later ones?
The later ones, I like that collar with the rank pips
Definitely the later ones
The later ones most certainly look nicer
Later TNG uniforms get my vote! 🖖😃👍
First Contact uniforms!
Even if they didnt want to spend an hour or so waiting for a comm badge, they could have easily wrote in an action where he reaches up to tap it and looks down like "damn its not there"
Okay, so that blows my mind! The male cast of TNG actually had padded chests!
Makes sense now
But not the groins.
That was pure onesie.
Makes sense. In "Angel One", Riker is basically shirtless, and he is in no way "ripped" and does not have a Wrestler's Chest, but when wearing the Starfleet Uniform he is clearly more buff looking. I never clued in. My mind is blown too lol.
Will Wheaton talked about them briefly in his great story, "William F*cking Shatner". All Trek fans should read/listen to that if they haven't yet.
Bigger prouder chests, taller shoulders, slimmer girdled waists. Padded and packaged, reinforced, supported, enhanced. The men, the women, even the children.
They also tend to film everybody from around mid-chest height, so they all look tall and impressive, so we're basically forced to view them from the perspective of a child.
Does anyone know why they swapped division colors (red and gold) between the Command and Engineering/Security uniforms?
It was because of the "Red shirt always dies meme" So they put some of the top stars in the red uniforms and started nuking blue uniform people instead.
Because Patrick Stewart looked awful on screen in gold.
red is perceived as a more powerful color than gold, its just how humans think, so it makes sense for the captain to be wearing red.
You didn't mention all of the differently shaped/slit trouser hems; with and without the piping.
I noticed Picard missing his comm badge the first time I saw the movie. I always assumed that even though he beams directly from the Enterprise to the planet, he had made an agreement with the Kingons to be part of a prisoner exchange for LaForge, so I assumed he removed it as part of their deal. Otherwise the Enterprise could have easily beamed him back once LaForge was back on the Enterprise
There is one TOS episode where Kirk beams up without his Enterprise logo on the uniform. They forgot to put it back on when they got it back trom the dry cleaners.
Man!
Those uniforms were some crazy stuff!
Especially the skant!
I'd love a TrekCulture look at the Strange New Worlds uniforms - Personally, I love way they're all clearly related and cohesive, and yet allow for a bit of personal style
The Riker Saddle-Up.
It's a classic.
Wil Wheaton talks about in his book how he often needed help getting his uniform on and would wait till the very last second before filming as it was very uncomfortable!
ST: TNG... the uniforms were supposed to sate the sci-fi nerd community's strong desire for all clothing to innately be form-fitting and not having clothing wrinkles because the technology would allow it. You know, clothing be like comic book characters' virtual body paint outfits. Turns out, it was not such an easy nor smart thing to do on a sci-fi series.
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I seem to remember an episode where Picard started the episode in the standard uniform, and was going to be beaming down to a cold planet. He comments that he will need to replicator to create a cold weather uniform for him yo wear, then arrives on the planet's surface wearing the jacket uniform that he would often wear. However I know that was not the jacket's first appearance, leaving me to wonder if the episodes aired out of order, or if I'm just remembering an episode that doesn't exist.
Another tid bit from Generations, because of the last minute change to the uniforms they had to borrow DS9 costumes. This is why LeVar Burton looks like he's swimming in his, because it's actually Colm Meaney's.
I remember really noticing the differences over time during the latest rewatch.
Picard beamed down from the Enterprise, not the Klingon ship. You could tell by the colour of the transporter beams!