"After he won yesterday's Nevada caucus, Donald Trump said, 'I love the poorly educated.' Trump then said, 'And when I'm president there'll be more of them than ever.'" -Conan O'Brien
Jarod Alien That's true. But be honest, how many people do you know main Lucas or Samosa? Toon Link, maybe, but other than that just ZSS. Eh, I just don't feel like it will be too big to really worry about or pay too much attention to. People, from what I see, hardly use ledge trumps anyways.
I've known about this for a while because I play Lucas, but with him there's a fast version because of how fast his tether is combined with how short he is. Basically, you can input everything way faster with him to make it much more "instant" than some other characters. Nice video, regardless.
It's also great since (idk about everyone else, but...) Tink can actually tether back to the ledge after doing ledge trump> bair. So... even if your opponent "dodged" the trump (buffering an input), you can just tether back to the ledge, instead of grabbing the ledge raw, which is extremely punishable. Also works if you're already on the edge, and attack with a drop down> immediate jump fair (to hit the opponent that's on the stage)> tether. Even if the fair misses, or the opponent shields it, you can just tether safely. Tink's nair and upair work in that situation, too. Of course, you can only tether 3 times before touching the stage without it not working. And the tether (again, all I know is Tink) works by dropping down> immediately jumping> and only tethering once Tink is at eye level with the stage. Basically, if it were a cartesian plane, and the stage's ground is at 0m up on the y-axis, then Tink would have to be at ~0m for the tether to work. Tethering before that (which would be say 1m above the stage) results in no tether since you can't grab the ledge so quickly after dropping from it. I think tethers aren't abused as much as they should be :^]
And... Tink can ledge trump> bomb> fair/ upb for stupid early kills... Kills Mewtwo at ~60%... I personally think ZSS has the best tether trump since she can just run off the stage and sideb. She also doesn't get zair glitched with sideb. Also, her bair is really strong. All other characters have to RAR jump> tether in order to actually trump quickly...
I eat ZSS for breakfast maybe this might give'em a better chance against me. But I think I did encounter a really good Link that was using this tech, I got rekt
I actually still remember him saying in that video that if you tether trump an opponent it's a guaranteed down air I don't know if that still works or not
Shiranue Dat Boi Honestly, I'm not entirely sure why Toon Link ended up being my main. One of my favorite things about Smash 4 is grab combos. And they're super effective against my friends because they don't know how to avoid being grabbed. The best I've ever done with Toon Link is down throw into upB against my friend like twice. He must have had bad DI or something.
Beefy Smash Doods So I commented in your Discord channel, thought it'd help a bit to get my message across here as well. I found an interesting topic in Villager's recovery. It seems that it is completely dependent on the amount of time Villager is on land. It works very closely to R.O.B's recovery. It is an extremely high recovery but once he is offstage for about 20-25 seconds, his recovery shortens drastically. I'm not sure if this is intentional. The recovery from what I've discovered takes about 10 seconds on land to completely revert to the full state again. This COULD potentially have competitive viability. So I'd like you to research it and maybe find out more about it? Ofc I'm sure you have a lot more interesting topics. This was just a random shout-out to how much I love your guys' channel! Keep up the great work! And if you make a video on this, you don't have to cite me, this was just a random fan helping one of their favorite channels!
Samus seems like the best since her charge shot, which is already deadly, makes it to where you only really need two options. The trumped version will pretty much kill at most mid percentages and, if it doesn't, it gives you enough time to charge up another shot and trump them again, in which case you can simply just jump and fire which seems to hit both jump and dodge options equally.
I really like the effort you put into the videos. They are really helping to evolve the meta and I got it for the first time after a minute and was surprised how intuitive it feels did you find out why this is working while above the ledge +Beefy Smash Doods
I can see Link, Toon Link, and Lucas really benefiting from this, Link and Toon Link because of Bombs and Lucas because he can can get a bair spike. So I need to practice this with Toon Link some day
A little hard to do at regular speed, done easily with Lucas inmediately at 1/4 and 1/2 but still having issues at 2/3 and regular speed (which I've just done it once or twice). Glad to see some characters can have many surprises.
I think this will help make link more of a viable character. I've always liked link as my favorite Nintendo character and I've used him in every smash game regardless of his tier placement. But this tech can make link more of a threat at guarding the ledge. At the same time open up more possibilities for punishing reads
Being a Lucas main who sucks at trumping, I'll make use of this to INTERRUPT my opponents progress. "Let god strike me down where I stand" (lightening.) "hah! Nice try jack422, next time give it your A game!"
I think Lucas's has the most useful mostly at high percents because unless your one of the fastest players and are a heavy character, you cant really react fast enough to deal with it, especially at high percents (i accidentally used this technique out of a sudden death with Lucas and into a back air, it spiked and i was amazed). And if your opponent is heavy enough or is at a low percent, they will try to recover.. HOWEVEH! Lucas has many other moves to try to attack while they recover..like another raw back air
Hey Beefy, is it easy to to this consitently? I've been practicing it with Link and I can't seem to get it right, ever:( i can superglide toss and perfect pivot fairly consistently, so i must be doing it wrong! Any tips? Or is the timing really REALLY strict?
Now i am even more upset that Sakurai didn't use Greninja's tongue as a tether grab... Tether trump would combine perfectly with Shadow Sneak and Hydro Pump based edgeguard techinques.
( I capitalized the important section/ my question) ok, so I'm getting the hang of it. As you said, it came with just a bit of practice. I started with Samus because personally, I use her, and now I'm using Link to get a hang of the item part. Since the timing is different for every character, I practiced with with Link's timing just to get the hang of it. Now I have it, and before I get to the items, I'm trying to see the limits of the ITT (on and off the stage)( I don't think this considers as ITT, but I'm still playing around with his tether). Still using Link, idk what it is, put IF I GO AT A CERTAIN ANGLE, AND PUSH UP TOO SOON, THE TETHER ANIMATION GETS CANCELED ALL TOGETHER. IT'S REALLY FAST AND LOOKS GLITCHY. I'M SUPER CONFUSED RIGHT NOW ABOUT IT, AND I AM CURIOUS IF YOU GUYS (OR ANYONE ELSE) CAME ACROSS THIS W/ LINK
Cool
we need a compilation of "Thanks Beefy Smash Doods"
MajoubJohnson10 Thanks Beefy Smash Doods
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MajoubJohnson10 Thanks Beefy Smash Doods
What I mean, is a combo video where people win do to something they learn from this channel !
Well, that's not how it came out.
Make the ledge great again!
Nice one
7.80/9.999999… Too dank.
Austrian Trump confirmed.
Michael Filla is says Donald trump at 1:42
It's very quick but I saw it
Election jokes incoming...
Beefy Smash Doods Do you like turtles?
k
Villager I like turtle soup. kappa
"After he won yesterday's Nevada caucus, Donald Trump said, 'I love the poorly educated.' Trump then said, 'And when I'm president there'll be more of them than ever.'" -Conan O'Brien
Mmmm I would GRAB that ZSS....
Then down throw into dair into nair.
DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY OPPONENTS GENDER AT 2:02!?
*TRIGGERED*
exdee
Sugar Worms poor child
It's hard to guess what gender they are out of the 163,201 genders out there.
Kappa to the max.
midnightmadness786 I thought there were only 69,420 genders
He/him/his can be used as a generic singular pronoun if the subject's gender is unknown. 👍
GREEAAAT TETHEEER
Lmfao
good fun, nice comment!
I'm a happy Lucas main c:
The Snover so your happy about losing?we dont have to know you main that trash, and better yet youre trash
lucas is actually on the rise and his current position on the tier list (which is still pretty good.) is debatebly low.
+Is This The Krusty Krab Lol why so mean?
Blackmist48 cuz
Extra Usapi Yeah no. If you've ever seen cloud, then no.
This is really good for me, since I'm a Lucas main, so thanks :D
Ipikush i saw your vids, your lucas is trash
How are you so determined to go into comments sections and attack people? Do you not have something better to do with your time?
Thanks MockRock lol
Ipikush Don't worry about it, this guy shows up on Smash channels all the time. He's a tool.
Lol 👍👍
Tfw you don't main any of these characters but you still watch the video anyways cuz why not?
Well, it's important to know about if it becomes commonplace.
Jarod Alien That's true. But be honest, how many people do you know main Lucas or Samosa? Toon Link, maybe, but other than that just ZSS. Eh, I just don't feel like it will be too big to really worry about or pay too much attention to. People, from what I see, hardly use ledge trumps anyways.
oshawott osha lol samosa! I suppose you watch introspective too?
he has a six hit combo from his downward throw
That One Axolotl Yup. xD glad someone caught that!
Been around for a while suprising no one's made a good video on it till now!
As a Link main, this pleases me 👍
Thank you Beefy Smash Doods; I'll be sure to harness this power to catch my opponents off guard!
I've known about this for a while because I play Lucas, but with him there's a fast version because of how fast his tether is combined with how short he is. Basically, you can input everything way faster with him to make it much more "instant" than some other characters. Nice video, regardless.
Those things are always useful TETHER you use them for grabs or ledges!
Get it?
Yeah lol
PurpleOJ no that joke gave me stage 4 cancer
LOL
No wait i dont get it
I'm loving the use of this on my Toon Link. :)
I've been practicing Instant Tether Grab, to Footstool, to D-air on their ledge re-grab.
Lucas' is awesome due to his epic recovery distance, so he can at low % do 2 or more back airs or even dairs to gimp super early
It's also great since (idk about everyone else, but...) Tink can actually tether back to the ledge after doing ledge trump> bair. So... even if your opponent "dodged" the trump (buffering an input), you can just tether back to the ledge, instead of grabbing the ledge raw, which is extremely punishable.
Also works if you're already on the edge, and attack with a drop down> immediate jump fair (to hit the opponent that's on the stage)> tether. Even if the fair misses, or the opponent shields it, you can just tether safely. Tink's nair and upair work in that situation, too.
Of course, you can only tether 3 times before touching the stage without it not working.
And the tether (again, all I know is Tink) works by dropping down> immediately jumping> and only tethering once Tink is at eye level with the stage. Basically, if it were a cartesian plane, and the stage's ground is at 0m up on the y-axis, then Tink would have to be at ~0m for the tether to work. Tethering before that (which would be say 1m above the stage) results in no tether since you can't grab the ledge so quickly after dropping from it.
I think tethers aren't abused as much as they should be :^]
And... Tink can ledge trump> bomb> fair/ upb for stupid early kills... Kills Mewtwo at ~60%...
I personally think ZSS has the best tether trump since she can just run off the stage and sideb. She also doesn't get zair glitched with sideb. Also, her bair is really strong.
All other characters have to RAR jump> tether in order to actually trump quickly...
Good news for Link mains!
Bad news for anyone already struggling against ZSS.
Is This The Krusty Krab
ill rek u in a patrick ditto
Is This The Krusty Krab I only need Roy to put you in your place
I eat ZSS for breakfast maybe this might give'em a better chance against me.
But I think I did encounter a really good Link that was using this tech, I got rekt
krusty krab wats urv nnid scrub
Izaw had this in his art of link 3
Izaw is in BSD now
no way! =D that's awesome
WAIT, ARE YOU SERIOUS!?
I love Izaw and he's the reason I strive to keep Link in my top 3 fighters in Sm4sh.
I actually still remember him saying in that video that if you tether trump an opponent it's a guaranteed down air I don't know if that still works or not
my link is better than izaws son
Lucas and ZSS look like the most practical and effective ones just from the video at the end.
Ayy, an (almost) Toon Link specific video. Nice!
The Toon Link in me smiled when it saw this video.
lewd
...And still believed D-air is horrible
Shiranue Dat Boi Whenever we do Toon Link dittos, my friend ALWAYS, and I mean always lands with dair. Then he gets obliterated.
+Matt11111 so relatable...
Shiranue Dat Boi Honestly, I'm not entirely sure why Toon Link ended up being my main. One of my favorite things about Smash 4 is grab combos. And they're super effective against my friends because they don't know how to avoid being grabbed. The best I've ever done with Toon Link is down throw into upB against my friend like twice. He must have had bad DI or something.
This is helpful and all but I'm gonna completely forget to use it in game lol.
I actually fought againt KayJay on FG randomly, and he was always using this technic ! Thus guy is a fucking monster with Samus !!
Beefy Smash Doods So I commented in your Discord channel, thought it'd help a bit to get my message across here as well. I found an interesting topic in Villager's recovery. It seems that it is completely dependent on the amount of time Villager is on land. It works very closely to R.O.B's recovery. It is an extremely high recovery but once he is offstage for about 20-25 seconds, his recovery shortens drastically. I'm not sure if this is intentional. The recovery from what I've discovered takes about 10 seconds on land to completely revert to the full state again. This COULD potentially have competitive viability. So I'd like you to research it and maybe find out more about it? Ofc I'm sure you have a lot more interesting topics. This was just a random shout-out to how much I love your guys' channel! Keep up the great work! And if you make a video on this, you don't have to cite me, this was just a random fan helping one of their favorite channels!
Finally some actual practical cool tech for smash 4
lucas: ness don't you realize that we can win so many matches now that we have this great info! Ness: okay
Lucas back air off of that. And Samus charge shot are sick
the meta has changed once again!
In three minutes I have learned, thank you very much +BeedfySmashDoods :D
wow. lucas and the B-air follow up. looks great.
Samus seems like the best since her charge shot, which is already deadly, makes it to where you only really need two options. The trumped version will pretty much kill at most mid percentages and, if it doesn't, it gives you enough time to charge up another shot and trump them again, in which case you can simply just jump and fire which seems to hit both jump and dodge options equally.
I really like the effort you put into the videos. They are really helping to evolve the meta and I got it for the first time after a minute and was surprised how intuitive it feels did you find out why this is working while above the ledge +Beefy Smash Doods
I have always struggled against tethers and now this...
Brawl memories! I didn't know it was possible in Smash 4 because you can't let go off the ledge and grab it again with Z!
Lucas instant ledge grab to dair is sick
I can see Link, Toon Link, and Lucas really benefiting from this, Link and Toon Link because of Bombs and Lucas because he can can get a bair spike. So I need to practice this with Toon Link some day
kj is a god among sam mains
I can already see Nairo doing some crazy shit again.
who doesn't love this Channel
yes... YES
two characters I use will now be more fun to use
A little hard to do at regular speed, done easily with Lucas inmediately at 1/4 and 1/2 but still having issues at 2/3 and regular speed (which I've just done it once or twice).
Glad to see some characters can have many surprises.
Samus trump is the best form to get a really powerful punish with charge shot
I can't wait to see Nairo do some dirty shit with this.
I feel like Seamus gets the most out of this with a fully charged shot
I can tell nairo is going to be happy with this
I was on this channel waiting for a new video and this appears. Like WHA-
1:41 1 frame of donald trump top left lol.
I like to use Lucas a lot, so this is pretty useful to know.
ayyye! the 1 tech i learned before y'all got to it. lol. i feel cool
This makes me glad I picked up Samus :)
nairo already used this technique at big house 6 as i noticed rewatching some highlight reels
I think this will help make link more of a viable character. I've always liked link as my favorite Nintendo character and I've used him in every smash game regardless of his tier placement. But this tech can make link more of a threat at guarding the ledge. At the same time open up more possibilities for punishing reads
It's incredible how people just find these things honestly
Nairo has been doing this for a long time, A LONG TIME!!!
We need more Ganondorf tech fam. Nah, I'm just kidding, he's pretty much exhausted of any tech at this point.
Great video as always 👍
this is glorious
Let the tiers RISE
This makes me wish Greninja could use him tongue as a tether.
best video evur!! "Instant tether Donald Trump"
Will definitely be useful, as I use Toon Link, Samus, and ZSS
Good thing Lucas has a tether, I main him.
Being a Lucas main who sucks at trumping, I'll make use of this to INTERRUPT my opponents progress.
"Let god strike me down where I stand" (lightening.) "hah! Nice try jack422, next time give it your A game!"
more smash technology
They're onto us
Yes!! More options for Link!
Welp, Samus just bumped up the tier list...
So close to 100k subscribers!
Link's and Toon Link's are the most lethal because of dair...
This would be amazingly useful if you could ledgehog in smash 4...
This video helped me a lot since I mostly use lucas. :)
yay for us Lucas mains!
Bro, I am going to donate.
1:41 I see you.
link is one of my secondaries so thanks
That's pretty beefy
I think Lucas's has the most useful mostly at high percents because unless your one of the fastest players and are a heavy character, you cant really react fast enough to deal with it, especially at high percents (i accidentally used this technique out of a sudden death with Lucas and into a back air, it spiked and i was amazed). And if your opponent is heavy enough or is at a low percent, they will try to recover.. HOWEVEH! Lucas has many other moves to try to attack while they recover..like another raw back air
this is so useful for me as 3 of my best characters are samus ZSS and lucas
Time to train more with my sammy
META GAME
Beefy Trump Steaks
Oh, I always just asumed that this was Samus exclusive since I've only seen her doing it.
Im waiting for is this the krusty crab to hate on my lucas.
Wait for it...
Hey Beefy, is it easy to to this consitently? I've been practicing it with Link and I can't seem to get it right, ever:( i can superglide toss and perfect pivot fairly consistently, so i must be doing it wrong! Any tips? Or is the timing really REALLY strict?
Now i am even more upset that Sakurai didn't use Greninja's tongue as a tether grab...
Tether trump would combine perfectly with Shadow Sneak and Hydro Pump based edgeguard techinques.
something I was finding is if u full hop u cant do it at all. it HAS to be a backwards short hop
I would say Lucas has the most useful one because it could lead into a spike if your fast enough. However the same can be said for a few others.
I actually know this a long time ago using Toon Link... And right today I said this to my friend and this vid come today lol.
As a lucas main, I find this to be a free back air.
14 views better make a joke about election and pretend that I didn't see Beefy's comment about it
Trump
1:41 lmao
i think lucas because his back air spikes and the ooppenent is still in the trump lag animation (or im wrong)
( I capitalized the important section/ my question) ok, so I'm getting the hang of it. As you said, it came with just a bit of practice. I started with Samus because personally, I use her, and now I'm using Link to get a hang of the item part. Since the timing is different for every character, I practiced with with Link's timing just to get the hang of it. Now I have it, and before I get to the items, I'm trying to see the limits of the ITT (on and off the stage)( I don't think this considers as ITT, but I'm still playing around with his tether). Still using Link, idk what it is, put IF I GO AT A CERTAIN ANGLE, AND PUSH UP TOO SOON, THE TETHER ANIMATION GETS CANCELED ALL TOGETHER. IT'S REALLY FAST AND LOOKS GLITCHY. I'M SUPER CONFUSED RIGHT NOW ABOUT IT, AND I AM CURIOUS IF YOU GUYS (OR ANYONE ELSE) CAME ACROSS THIS W/ LINK
Holy shit that's useful.
Nairo already knows about this trick
Who are the other beefy smash dudes?
Nice. I play Lucas. I will attempt to utilize this.
I there a clinton technique?
ZorroDood It'd have to involve the advance wars assist trophy.
Does this work on the 3ds version to?
why wouldn't it
Ipsen just wondering
+Germain Vang Both games work the same on everything
Edgar le thug nope. explain bidou
Is This The Krusty Krab Hey I was just asking and I don't have time right now.