intel should just let it be, it will boost their status with the budget gaming community. they have plenty of separation with the number of cores and cache sizes in each tier for this to not encroach too much on the high end.
This makes k series completely useless for gaming. No one will bother buying anything more than a 12400 unless they need more cores for productivity. And 12400 is not a high profit margin product. Only a matter of time till Asus is told to take it down.
@@imad7x almost ordered an msi b660m mortar until I saw the non-K OC vid. Kind of a bummer that i need ddr5 now. I guess I'll just wait for a bit for better priced ddr5s or other ddr4 boards that supports bclk oc.
Shiek must love all the heat kicked off from your benchmarking! Thanks for all your work on this Roman - this is some of the most exciting stuff in CPU overclocking I've seen in recent years.
Insane no one else is doing that, especially the big youtubers getting most of the mobos and CPU for free. Too lazy? Or they just do not want to burn bridges and keep getting free toys from Intel???? So sad....
I used to have an i5 6500 on an Asrock pro4s board and I was able to achieve 4.9 ghz. That chip punched so far above it’s weight class, it’s exciting to hear that people will be able to experience this on Alder Lake!
I have that exact chip and board! Only scary part was you couldn't monitor CPU temps, so I put an overkill water-cooling loop, and called it a day. Don't use that system daily anymore, but it still runs great.
That's cool, but is there any chance there would be b660 board that supports non K OC and has ddr4? Buying ddr5 ram + expensive b660 will + non K cpu variant will probably cost more than buying cheap z690, ddr4 and K series CPU. (lol) Also I wonder if it would make most sense to buy budget b660 board and get either 12500 or 12600 for higher boost clock, if you cant overclock anyway. it would still be cheaper than K series.
My hope is that B660 STRIX-A D4 will be able to overclock... If so then it's worth it, otherwise like you said, ddr4 + cheap z690 and k cpu seems to be the best option
im inclined to think asrock would be planning a cheap board with a backclock chip on the second they see asus had a few for sale with a bios section to use it for fsb overclocking,i have one on my am4 board from asrock even though it has no use for the ryzen cpus in real life
@der8auer EN after lots of testing i figured out what cause the "XMP" profile issues The solution is that there is an option called "ring PLL oltage" in asus bios set it to 1.3v in gigabyte bios you can't type in a fix value so you need to add a +voltage offset which need to mach the 1.3v range like if you use 1.24 vcore set the pll voltage to +60mv After that turn on XMP and set the ring multiplier to 44. Tested in 3 different system and it fixed all the instability or boot issue. Give it a try, hope it helps!
These videos are getting me excited about overclocking again. BCLK tuning adds back a dimension to overclocking that was lost. I can't wait to see the role it plays in extreme overclocking. Imagine trying to find the optimal balance between bclk and multipliers? Is it better to max out your bclk first and then try to go up on the multiplier, or would maxing out your multiplier first be better? Is there a mix in the middle?
I was under the impression that it's always best to use the multiplier as much as possible before bclk, as bclk impacts everything and can lead to damage
@@strider5119 not any more! In the past the BCLK did impact everything, but Intel changed that. You can now change everything seperately, core, cache, mem, pci-e, etc., and now that has changed, how we look at BCLK OCing might need to change too.
10:20 Microcode updates can and are loaded by the OS kernel during boot, but that is not persistent over reboot. If you uninstall/delete the microcode update files, then it will keep whatever is loaded by the BIOS during startup.
I just bought a Z690-A Strix Gaming WIFI D4 (needed more lanes and DDR4, would like to run a K cpu in the future) and a i5-12400F. I saw BLCK in the original BIOS (didn't note down the version) under the manual AI Overclock Tuner, which also showed up with XMP I was enabled. XMP seems to work on this board. I then updated the BIOS to 0901. Tomorrow I will try downgrading to test the feature, so it's possible that this board also supports BLCK OC. EDIT SUMMARY: It did not work.
It is allowed in the release version of the bios (version 0223), however the memory seems to be affected but not the CPU? When checking in CPU-z, I only see ~4GHz at 99.7 Bus speed, even at load. I'll update if I find anything more because I'm determined to get this to work.
I can sadly confirm that it does NOT work on the Asus Z690-A Strix Gaming WiFi D4. The BIOS will calculate the changes, but HWINFO64 and CPU-Z both report that the BLCK has not changed.
Now this makes things interesting and opens more options. Ultimately will depend what's available locally and at what prices but great to know there are more options to consider
Why? 12700 is already clocked very high from the factory. You would be getting 200-300 Mhz boost at best. It definitely benefits 12400, and especially 12100 better. 12100 gets almost an entire Ghz boost.
If you're a bit of a scatterbrain / an OC newbie going off instructions, save that first config you make to a profile before saving settings and rebooting. If you give it time but it won't post with those settings, you don't have to start from scratch. Just reset to default, load the profile, read the change-list box to see if you recognize a mistake or something missing, then make your changes from there. It has been around for many years now and has become pretty much standard for most BIOS/UEFI interfaces, but I still have _a lot_ of appreciation for that change-list. It has spared me a tonne of troubleshooting over the years, and saved my bacon more than thrice. Ever since I had a camera phone where storage wasn't extremely limited, I've snapped the change-list whenever making more than 1-2 changes. And I do it every time I build, set up or troubleshoot a computer for someone else, then archive that/those image(s) along with an archive of their baseline drivers, current version bios and bios flash tool). "Recent" years I've saved that bios/uefi config to disk and added that to the archive, but still take pics just in case.
Okey. So these motherboards are in general better overclockers than regular Z690 motherboards that doesn't support BCKL overclocking like these do? But on the other hand they're still too expensive to justify going with these boards and cheaper cpus instead of already higly clocked K-cpus on regular B660 motherboards that cost a lot less, especially taking into account the price of DDR5. So the next obvious question would be: Are there any B660 motherboards of any brand, that support this type of BCKL overclocking at a price under lets say 150 euro and support DDR4 memory?
I agree, no real world budget buyer is going to pay triple the cost of DDR4 to get some DDR5 that lets them overclock. If they had that money they'd simply get a higher end CPU.
@@zap7759 These B660 motherboards are better overclockers in the regard that they can overclock both K-cpus and non K-cpus while regular Z690 only can overclock K-cpus. So motherboards marketed at supporting overclocking are less capable and these that are not marketed at supporting overclocking. Thats kindn of bizarre.
@@ChrisKadaver Only some B660 can do this and only some Z690 can as well. Z690 has unlocked multiplier for K CPUs though where B660 doesn't. Universal unlocked multiplier trumps a couple bclk capable boards.
From what I can tell, in China, B660-G + 12400f + cheapest ddr5 dual channel kit(16Gx2 5200Mhz)=840Eur, X570-F + 5900X + (16Gx2 3600 C16 b-die)=850Eur. So where I am it doesn't make sense unless there will be a cheaper board with external clock gen and ddr4 that supports it, then we're talking :D
@@thejollysloth5743 Id rather just wait until DDR5 is something significant, not interested in paying a premium to turn myself into a beta tester for companies lol
This is what ultimately made me decide to buy Asus APEX for my Z690 DDR5 XOC platform over the Tachyon, Dark and Unify-X. I was really considering ASRock Aqua OC ( I'm a huge OC Formula fan and have them all ) but ASRock made that decision easy with a $1400 price. Sure that's fine for a high end h2o rig and I'm sure they will sell out, but no one will buy this for XOC and it is their only XOC centric board. They know this and is why they sent out way more samples than ever before I already chose the Strix A for one of my DDR4 boards as well as an MSI board
Just to let you know -- on Asus ROG Strix B660-I (ITX) mobo I can not set AI Overclock Tuner to manual and alter BCLK, at least with 12600K... -- there are only auto and XMP1/XMP2 options available
XMP2 worked for me, but not regular xmp. I set my ram in dim A2&B2, did not work, switched to A1&B1 did not work. Updated bios still dident work, took me a few hours of tweaking and tuning and eventually when i gave up and just switched the ram back to A2&B2 dim the xmp2 profile started to work, not sure if it was the bios update or that the ram eventually just got stable. Now im even able to overclock the ram further :P
Thank you! I was tearing my hair out all day as to why any OC wasn't working but as soon as I put my only stick of RAM in slot A2 it booted my 12400 with 115 bclk 1st try no problem!
@@PC_HardwareTechUnboxing_1 Thanks for the reply. Please make videos DDR4 motherboards that support this feature, in case anything new comes up. Thanks again.
Try again with the b660 tuf ddr4, in the last video you just said that there is no option in the tweak paradise settings, and now you just said that in all the b660 there is no tweak paradise setting, so if you probably tweak the bclk, the board does all the job like you showed in this video
I don't know if I believe DDR5 will become more available without any new fabs coming online. The price of DDR5 is triple DDR4, that indicates terrible yields. Most of the new fabs for dram vendors don't come online till Q4 2024. There's also been market research by Yolle indicating a much longer adoption for DDR5 than DDR4, with DDR5 being mostly restricted to server vendors who can easily justify cost.
Price of DDR4 was also through the roof at release day. Then at some point it was 100€ for a basic 8GB stick, and now you can get almost 32GB for that price.
once AMD actually announces what quarter AM5 will release in you'll like see production start ramping up leading up to that. DDR4 suffered the same problem when intel was the only one using it.
you probably werent daily stable at 7:25, those minimums are pretty bad for any bclock oc id hammer linpack and occt for a bit longer than normal. long boot will just be memory training, even while controlling all timings ive noticed xmp posts faster than manual mode
I agreed with you on the Bios part, most times bios upgrade is counterproductive and not needed, unless your system is not working right with the parts you have.
@@bigcazza5260 that's right, if you have a memory problem ( not detected correctly ), a CPU problem ( not detected correctly or not detected at all ), and so on, and so on, yeah a bios update is in order Doing a bios update just because you feel like it is bad, most times creates more problems ( like worse CPU / memory timings ). If it works fine with the parts you have do not update, if you really need to update, make a copy of the bios and make sure you can revert before doing the update.
Late and perhaps odd question, but I recently bought the ROG Strix B660-I itx gaming motherboard, and I have to move over my old OS drive (on an nvme ssd) from my previous 9th gen TUF Z390 system. Do you know if Win10 is able to handle the new board+13th gen intel cpu with updating drivers etc? I know it's the go-to answer to say "just get a clean install", but that is literally not an option for me as I am relying heavily on the associated software and license codes stored in the current OS drive. As there is no way for me to back up this data, I have to transfer the entire drive to the new system. It may be a long shot and perhaps slightly off topic, but I haven't had any luck with forums online. Nobody has talked about migrating from a 9th gen intel to a 13th gen intel system. Plenty have said they were able to migrate from Intel to AMD so I guess Win10 is quite resilient these days.
@@samgoff5289 i think in a month or two, every b660 will have it, because its obvious intel chips arent locked and b660 chipset has this capability,it is going to be fun to oc the shit out of 12th gen
@der8auer For the XMP issue these are my solutions. ensure your sticks are on the proper modules. for ex. if you have one stick like me, the only bank to use is A2- the second from the cpu. turn on the 2 first options on tweakers paradise, cant remember the name, its about dynamic spd switching. Now your xmps should work
I did exactly the same, it works! I bought my components on black Friday. Installed the 1003 bios ...what a great experience :-) Consider a better cooler than Stock, I'll go for the NH-15.
Amazing work Roman!!! Please try the b660 strix - A d4 board! If you have tried some ddr4 boards please share them with us so we can rule them out! Back in the skylake days, Asrock with skyOC, had external clock generators, even in the lower end b\H boards, maybe this time they would do the same. Please try some of them if you have time to spare!!! And lets find a cheap ddr4 MB with bclk OC!!!!
@@tilapiadave3234 Nonsense. B660M Pro RS is probably the best value B660 board and ASRock has some of the best value Intel boards for last couple of generations, especially ITX.
@@LastSecBloomer I was not directing my comment at ONE particular board. I have built maybe 100 systems and had near zero motherboard problems EXCEPT with AsRock ,, I no longer use their boards because of that. Happy with ASUS , happy with Gigabyte ,, Happy with MSI ,, will NOT use AsRock
Now it's clear to me why scalpers with inside information were scalping DDR5. Didn't make sense up to this point. Now the real value of DDR5 is clear. Well played scalpers.
117W with this temperature seems like a severely understated value readout by sensor, especially with this overclock. With R20 I'm fairly sure it's closer to 180W than staying at 110ish watts. Microcode gets an update - delete mcupdate_genuineintel.dll from System32 and you're good to go forever, until you reinstall your Windows.
On my 7700k R20 uses 95W while prime95 uses 91W. I'm not sure why but even though the power required is roughly the same with prime95 the CPU runs 18C hotter. Meaning that looking at the power used does not give the full picture. Or maybe my rig is just broken 😂
@@mastroitek Prime wattage completely depends on testing profile, though 4W is within a margin of error. I strongly believe you've got something borked in bios, but it may also be due to concentrating power draw within cache. Z97 MPower with disabled SVID Support reports 40W under any load, when I disable it it shows half of what 5775c actually pulls. So 110W in CR20 and 160W in Prime95 10-140K packets.
@@PolskiJaszczomb well the only thing I changed in the bios (which I also updated more times) is the fan curve and a slight undervolting on the CPU. I also had the chance to measure the power from the wall and it was within 10W between the 2 benchmarks. So I have no idea why there is the 18C difference, maybe is just the sensor that has a life on its own 🤷
I found everything in stock, but the one thing is the ddr5, the cheapest I can find is one stick for 189 usd for 16gb stick. Ouch That brings total platform cost up a hundred bucks, I almost should go with the z690 board with base clock overclocking. I just need to make sure I find one that has it.
Well, it is the B660 ROG Strix mATX board in this video at the moment. No, it's not really cheap, but much cheaper than a 5800x and a decent B550 or X570 motherboard.
It would be interesting to revisit this process and hardware in a couple of years when DDR5 is available and reasonable in price and newer generation ships makes the rest of the hardware cheaper. guessing by then Intel will have found a way to quash this in later systems.
pretty sure that buy 12600k with cheap ddr4 z690 like msi a pro will get you a better system overall for about the same price since ddr5 prices are crazy. Youd get better chipset, 4 more E cores and you could keep your current ddr4 kit if you have one
How does blck overclocking compare to "traditional" overclocking? Is the end result exactly the same? How does it work? Is there any difference in voltage/power requirements?
For sure, those mad lads are gonna enable it on the HDV board with its 2 5A phases lol. If they really do it, it could make for an amazing project/oc rig, since mem oc potential should be great with 2 dimm design. Just figure out the vrm cooling yourself
Great tutorial for the same setup I currently have. I just have a few questions: - Would you recommend going any higher than a 15% oc? - If I would go with the same oc in your video and try to lower the voltage step by step - by how much should it be lowered in 1 step?
It is not on the Asus H670-Plus D4 nor the Asus Tuf Gaming B660m nor the Asrock RS Z690. The cheapest board I have that I have is the Asus Z690-p which recently was on Amazon for $155. Now, gettting any of my 4 locked 12th gen CPU's to do what this guy does...is another story.
Ok, so if Intel doesn't shut this down, and this also works on the DDR4 boards, they're going to be massively more competitive. Less profitable, for sure, but they'll probably sell a lot more to overclockers. The 12400F was arguably not worth buying over the 5600X for some people because it's a bit slower in most games, but now the 12400F is overclockable, it can completely kill the 5600X: cheaper, faster, more efficient; and the motherboards are more expensive, but not expensive enough to make it more expensive overall. Will Intel shut this down? Would they rather milk their customers, or have more customers?
It should now be compared to the 5800x. In the cinebench test above it's 40 points away from beating it. 6 intel P cores vs 8 AMD cores. Very impressive.
Very cool!! :) THX for making this video :) A video just like this for the Bios setting for the i9 12900K on this board would be great... What settings to downvolt it and a little bit Overclock at the same time :)
unfortunately Asus either removed the BCLK value in the menu or it wasn't there with the B660-I. I mistakenly updated to the 2012 BIOS before realizing that the previous version that was shipping as of August/September 2022 was compatible with 13th gen out of the box. Without the BCLK change none of the other settings actually work to gain improvements. I have a 13400F and prior to installing that I was actually tuning a 13600K down to get thermals in check in a SFF case. After following all of these steps with the 13400F I was getting worse CB R23 scores than with just stock values. The issue seems to be not sustaining the PL1/PL2 boost for the actual value/time set. Also, the board will never let the 13400F boost to values above 4090Mhz during testing but then in Windows during idle tasks it will operate at 4300-4500Mhz. This makes zero sense. Even pushing the wattage for the total package power well above 65w still won't allow for sustained clock speeds during testing. Typical behavior is for CBR23 to hold the 41x ratio boost clock for maybe 4-5 minutes then drop. The Ratio will never allow to go higher manually BUT I was able to get the board to hold the 41x ratio for the full 10 minutes which I consider a win. I would LOVE for someone to also look into this with me!
Der8auer, i have a question about the Max multi alowed by K cpus and 660 boards... They Will run Max multi unlocked? Or Will Stop at The maximum all core ratio?
I got a B660-A Strix but the OC manual mode nothing... :( Auto, XMP1 and 2... But I flash the newest 1620 new CPU bios, i reflashing older 1003, and see OC mode manual is show or not.
Quick question - when you show yourself doing stuff in the BIOS, we can see it's not taking the whole screen & can see Windows' desktop behind it - is there some way to do that on the same system, or are you running the output of 1 system into some kind of input on a second system? Also, great to see that beautiful orange cuddle-magnet again. 😺
@@samgoff5289 Now that you mention it, I am overdue for 1. 😳 Edit: I forgot to mention - on looking again, I could see the frame of the monitor. smh. I need new glasses.
intel should just let it be, it will boost their status with the budget gaming community. they have plenty of separation with the number of cores and cache sizes in each tier for this to not encroach too much on the high end.
I agree, this can't be on accident. And even if it was it's exciting. You always overclock at your own risk and they should just leave it at that.
This Will destroy K skus, So they wont like this.. Intel would seriously kick AMD though, if they let it pass
but hey, they have their thoughts about this. just wait what will they do
@@masx4813 they won't kill the k sku, because the k sku have more cores via the efficiency cores...
This makes k series completely useless for gaming. No one will bother buying anything more than a 12400 unless they need more cores for productivity. And 12400 is not a high profit margin product. Only a matter of time till Asus is told to take it down.
I kept checking notification for your update since 2 days ago 😭 thanks for your hard work!
Same
@@imad7x almost ordered an msi b660m mortar until I saw the non-K OC vid.
Kind of a bummer that i need ddr5 now. I guess I'll just wait for a bit for better priced ddr5s or other ddr4 boards that supports bclk oc.
Shiek must love all the heat kicked off from your benchmarking! Thanks for all your work on this Roman - this is some of the most exciting stuff in CPU overclocking I've seen in recent years.
🐈😺
I love what you're doing for the community, informing and assuring people that anyone can safely and easily do this, as well as teaching them how to.
Insane no one else is doing that, especially the big youtubers getting most of the mobos and CPU for free. Too lazy? Or they just do not want to burn bridges and keep getting free toys from Intel???? So sad....
you are an osu chad! nice
I used to have an i5 6500 on an Asrock pro4s board and I was able to achieve 4.9 ghz. That chip punched so far above it’s weight class, it’s exciting to hear that people will be able to experience this on Alder Lake!
I have that exact chip and board! Only scary part was you couldn't monitor CPU temps, so I put an overkill water-cooling loop, and called it a day. Don't use that system daily anymore, but it still runs great.
@@jomeyqmalone why couldnt u monitor cpu temps?
4.9 is legendary for 2nd gen 14nm old papa skylake
same i5 6402p @4.8 ghz on msi z170 a pro and I can even monitor cpu temps via msi command center
@@branchprediction9923 it showed stuck at 100c in all hw monitoring software
That's cool, but is there any chance there would be b660 board that supports non K OC and has ddr4? Buying ddr5 ram + expensive b660 will + non K cpu variant will probably cost more than buying cheap z690, ddr4 and K series CPU. (lol) Also I wonder if it would make most sense to buy budget b660 board and get either 12500 or 12600 for higher boost clock, if you cant overclock anyway. it would still be cheaper than K series.
Other people have suggested that the Strix B660-A D4 might support it. It seems likely that it does.
My hope is that B660 STRIX-A D4 will be able to overclock... If so then it's worth it, otherwise like you said, ddr4 + cheap z690 and k cpu seems to be the best option
im inclined to think asrock would be planning a cheap board with a backclock chip on the second they see asus had a few for sale with a bios section to use it for fsb overclocking,i have one on my am4 board from asrock even though it has no use for the ryzen cpus in real life
@@tonybarden8563 interesting. I guess we will find out when more reviews come out.
Upcoming B660 Steel Legend from ASRock might support it
@der8auer EN
after lots of testing i figured out what cause the "XMP" profile issues
The solution is that there is an option called "ring PLL oltage" in asus bios set it to 1.3v
in gigabyte bios you can't type in a fix value so you need to add a +voltage offset which need to mach the 1.3v range like if you use 1.24 vcore set the pll voltage to +60mv
After that turn on XMP and set the ring multiplier to 44. Tested in 3 different system and it fixed all the instability or boot issue. Give it a try, hope it helps!
Very interesting. Will look into that!
What is this ring multiplier in the ASUS bios? I have the Strix b660-a d4 and xmp doesn’t work for 3600 ram
These videos are getting me excited about overclocking again. BCLK tuning adds back a dimension to overclocking that was lost. I can't wait to see the role it plays in extreme overclocking. Imagine trying to find the optimal balance between bclk and multipliers? Is it better to max out your bclk first and then try to go up on the multiplier, or would maxing out your multiplier first be better? Is there a mix in the middle?
I was under the impression that it's always best to use the multiplier as much as possible before bclk, as bclk impacts everything and can lead to damage
@@strider5119 not any more! In the past the BCLK did impact everything, but Intel changed that. You can now change everything seperately, core, cache, mem, pci-e, etc., and now that has changed, how we look at BCLK OCing might need to change too.
10:20 Microcode updates can and are loaded by the OS kernel during boot, but that is not persistent over reboot. If you uninstall/delete the microcode update files, then it will keep whatever is loaded by the BIOS during startup.
I just bought a Z690-A Strix Gaming WIFI D4 (needed more lanes and DDR4, would like to run a K cpu in the future) and a i5-12400F. I saw BLCK in the original BIOS (didn't note down the version) under the manual AI Overclock Tuner, which also showed up with XMP I was enabled. XMP seems to work on this board. I then updated the BIOS to 0901. Tomorrow I will try downgrading to test the feature, so it's possible that this board also supports BLCK OC.
EDIT SUMMARY: It did not work.
Keep us posted!
It is allowed in the release version of the bios (version 0223), however the memory seems to be affected but not the CPU? When checking in CPU-z, I only see ~4GHz at 99.7 Bus speed, even at load. I'll update if I find anything more because I'm determined to get this to work.
Whether it's goes above 102.9 bclk is the question though, not that it's there in the first place.
@@zap7759 Doesn't seem to shift at all.
I can sadly confirm that it does NOT work on the Asus Z690-A Strix Gaming WiFi D4. The BIOS will calculate the changes, but HWINFO64 and CPU-Z both report that the BLCK has not changed.
Now this makes things interesting and opens more options. Ultimately will depend what's available locally and at what prices but great to know there are more options to consider
I especially think this would offer massive value on a 12700.
Is it possible to OC i7 12700 non k too????
@@CheDeLila yes
Why? 12700 is already clocked very high from the factory. You would be getting 200-300 Mhz boost at best. It definitely benefits 12400, and especially 12100 better. 12100 gets almost an entire Ghz boost.
If you're a bit of a scatterbrain / an OC newbie going off instructions, save that first config you make to a profile before saving settings and rebooting. If you give it time but it won't post with those settings, you don't have to start from scratch. Just reset to default, load the profile, read the change-list box to see if you recognize a mistake or something missing, then make your changes from there.
It has been around for many years now and has become pretty much standard for most BIOS/UEFI interfaces, but I still have _a lot_ of appreciation for that change-list. It has spared me a tonne of troubleshooting over the years, and saved my bacon more than thrice. Ever since I had a camera phone where storage wasn't extremely limited, I've snapped the change-list whenever making more than 1-2 changes. And I do it every time I build, set up or troubleshoot a computer for someone else, then archive that/those image(s) along with an archive of their baseline drivers, current version bios and bios flash tool). "Recent" years I've saved that bios/uefi config to disk and added that to the archive, but still take pics just in case.
Wow, nearly 5800x performance from 6 P-cores. Very impressive.
I wish it worked with DDR4 memory. Limiting it to a DDR5 boards makes the whole thing stupid.
The size of P cores is much larger than zen 3 cores and IPC wise looks like Intel caught up.
There will be B660 Boards with DDR4 in the future
@@justuspritzl9312 Doesn't mean they'll support this type of overclocking.... Hopefully though.
@@justuspritzl9312 There is already. ASUS ROG Strix B660-A D4. Same series as this board
Okey. So these motherboards are in general better overclockers than regular Z690 motherboards that doesn't support BCKL overclocking like these do? But on the other hand they're still too expensive to justify going with these boards and cheaper cpus instead of already higly clocked K-cpus on regular B660 motherboards that cost a lot less, especially taking into account the price of DDR5.
So the next obvious question would be: Are there any B660 motherboards of any brand, that support this type of BCKL overclocking at a price under lets say 150 euro and support DDR4 memory?
ROG Strix B660-A Gaming WiFi D4
I agree, no real world budget buyer is going to pay triple the cost of DDR4 to get some DDR5 that lets them overclock. If they had that money they'd simply get a higher end CPU.
No. Z690 on average would destroy B660 at K SKU overclocking if B boards even could OC with the multiplier.
@@zap7759 These B660 motherboards are better overclockers in the regard that they can overclock both K-cpus and non K-cpus while regular Z690 only can overclock K-cpus. So motherboards marketed at supporting overclocking are less capable and these that are not marketed at supporting overclocking. Thats kindn of bizarre.
@@ChrisKadaver Only some B660 can do this and only some Z690 can as well. Z690 has unlocked multiplier for K CPUs though where B660 doesn't. Universal unlocked multiplier trumps a couple bclk capable boards.
Seeing a 7700K/8700K OC'd versus 12100/12400 OC'd would be really neat now to know how much better 12 gen is core for core.
7000/8000 series are obsolete garbage. They were obsolete when they were introduced 5 years ago.
@@JosephArata 7700k was, 8700k sure as hell wasn't obsolete and it held up rather strongly up until 11 gen introduction.
Pretty sure the i3 12100f stock should be faster or about as fast.
@@tilburg8683 It already is on pair with 9900k most of the time, while having half of the cores. It wipes the floor with 7700k/8700k.
@@PolskiJaszczomb Just to add to that - this is only the case in gaming. In any productivity task it gets crushed due to having only 4 cores.
From what I can tell, in China, B660-G + 12400f + cheapest ddr5 dual channel kit(16Gx2 5200Mhz)=840Eur, X570-F + 5900X + (16Gx2 3600 C16 b-die)=850Eur. So where I am it doesn't make sense unless there will be a cheaper board with external clock gen and ddr4 that supports it, then we're talking :D
true, oc nowadays just niche and costs too much, back then we can oc pentium g and get i5 performance, thats a bargain
Please do for 12700 as it would be holding massive value with these b660 motherboards or if possible a ddr4 b660.
Have you tried it
Any news on B660 DDR4 boards that might allow BCKL overclocking?
I need a B660 that can overclock, ddr4 and doesn't cost more than a Z690 lol...
*DDR5
@@thejollysloth5743 Id rather just wait until DDR5 is something significant, not interested in paying a premium to turn myself into a beta tester for companies lol
This is what ultimately made me decide to buy Asus APEX for my Z690 DDR5 XOC platform over the Tachyon, Dark and Unify-X. I was really considering ASRock Aqua OC ( I'm a huge OC Formula fan and have them all ) but ASRock made that decision easy with a $1400 price. Sure that's fine for a high end h2o rig and I'm sure they will sell out, but no one will buy this for XOC and it is their only XOC centric board. They know this and is why they sent out way more samples than ever before
I already chose the Strix A for one of my DDR4 boards as well as an MSI board
Just to let you know -- on Asus ROG Strix B660-I (ITX) mobo I can not set AI Overclock Tuner to manual and alter BCLK, at least with 12600K... -- there are only auto and XMP1/XMP2 options available
what bios version? same too im also Asus ROG Strix B660-A DDR4 with 12600k
@@xamloke3318 I tried all available 1003, 1009...
Are you able to undervolt with that board? Adaptive and offset?
Sent ur latest videos to some friends, they love you now for the new budget overclocking content
XMP2 worked for me, but not regular xmp.
I set my ram in dim A2&B2, did not work, switched to A1&B1 did not work.
Updated bios still dident work, took me a few hours of tweaking and tuning and eventually when i gave up and just switched the ram back to A2&B2 dim the xmp2 profile started to work, not sure if it was the bios update or that the ram eventually just got stable. Now im even able to overclock the ram further :P
Thank you! I was tearing my hair out all day as to why any OC wasn't working but as soon as I put my only stick of RAM in slot A2 it booted my 12400 with 115 bclk 1st try no problem!
@@sersoft_corp haha glad i could help :-)
Gigabyte B660 DS3H AX BIOS manual also shows BCLK adjustment, not sure it's a generic manual or not, it just says "BIOS Setup (Intel® 600 Series)".
Does rog strix b660-A ddr4 support overclock?
Nope...
Request you to please test 12700 non k. Max Overclock and how much good it is over 12400 Overclocking?
its wiser to oc 12400 i guess, cost wise, 12700 is great already out of the box unless you hit like 6ghz
So the cheapest Asus I have seen out of the 7 600 series boards I have reviewed...that has BLCK Freq is the Asus Z690-P...DDR5 version only
Hey, can you clarify ? Does the Asus Z690-P D4 support bclk overclock on non-k cpus ?
@@tex_m5875 Sorry..I need to edit that. So far I have only seen this in D5 motherboards for 12th gen.
@@PC_HardwareTechUnboxing_1 Thanks for the reply. Please make videos DDR4 motherboards that support this feature, in case anything new comes up. Thanks again.
DDR5 prices going to have to drop awfully fast for this to make sense building a rig to do this.
Try again with the b660 tuf ddr4, in the last video you just said that there is no option in the tweak paradise settings, and now you just said that in all the b660 there is no tweak paradise setting, so if you probably tweak the bclk, the board does all the job like you showed in this video
I don't know if I believe DDR5 will become more available without any new fabs coming online. The price of DDR5 is triple DDR4, that indicates terrible yields. Most of the new fabs for dram vendors don't come online till Q4 2024. There's also been market research by Yolle indicating a much longer adoption for DDR5 than DDR4, with DDR5 being mostly restricted to server vendors who can easily justify cost.
The bottleneck is the power management IC not just the memory itself.
Price of DDR4 was also through the roof at release day. Then at some point it was 100€ for a basic 8GB stick, and now you can get almost 32GB for that price.
once AMD actually announces what quarter AM5 will release in you'll like see production start ramping up leading up to that. DDR4 suffered the same problem when intel was the only one using it.
I'm seeing double not triple. But that's for 4000Mhz+
Well you were VERY wrong looking at the prices over the last year. You could get 32gb 7200mhz ddr5 for 99 bucks.
can you please check out the asrock b660 steel legend? It supposedly has the bclk slider too
Just ordered my b660g. Can't wait to have fun with non K skus. It feels like the old days of overclocking
So how is it going?
you probably werent daily stable at 7:25, those minimums are pretty bad
for any bclock oc id hammer linpack and occt for a bit longer than normal. long boot will just be memory training, even while controlling all timings ive noticed xmp posts faster than manual mode
I'd like to see a 12700 oc'd this way, how high it could be pushed with the e cores also linked to bclk
I agreed with you on the Bios part, most times bios upgrade is counterproductive and not needed, unless your system is not working right with the parts you have.
ive only ever updated 1 bios and thats because the one i was on couldnt train memory 1 divider higher than jedec/cpu spec
@@bigcazza5260 that's right, if you have a memory problem ( not detected correctly ), a CPU problem ( not detected correctly or not detected at all ), and so on, and so on, yeah a bios update is in order
Doing a bios update just because you feel like it is bad, most times creates more problems ( like worse CPU / memory timings ).
If it works fine with the parts you have do not update, if you really need to update, make a copy of the bios and make sure you can revert before doing the update.
Late and perhaps odd question, but I recently bought the ROG Strix B660-I itx gaming motherboard, and I have to move over my old OS drive (on an nvme ssd) from my previous 9th gen TUF Z390 system. Do you know if Win10 is able to handle the new board+13th gen intel cpu with updating drivers etc? I know it's the go-to answer to say "just get a clean install", but that is literally not an option for me as I am relying heavily on the associated software and license codes stored in the current OS drive. As there is no way for me to back up this data, I have to transfer the entire drive to the new system.
It may be a long shot and perhaps slightly off topic, but I haven't had any luck with forums online. Nobody has talked about migrating from a 9th gen intel to a 13th gen intel system. Plenty have said they were able to migrate from Intel to AMD so I guess Win10 is quite resilient these days.
this channel is really underrated
Thank You! good to see overclocking is still relevant.
This is some great work looking into this. Intel don’t screw this up for everyone!
How is this anything worth getting excited about yet..? Until we know for sure there is cheaper ddr4 boards that this can be done with
@@samgoff5289 i think in a month or two, every b660 will have it, because its obvious intel chips arent locked and b660 chipset has this capability,it is going to be fun to oc the shit out of 12th gen
Can anyone confirm that non-K OC works on the ITX version (ROG STRIX B660-I GAMING WIFI) as well?
@der8auer For the XMP issue these are my solutions.
ensure your sticks are on the proper modules. for ex. if you have one stick like me, the only bank to use is A2- the second from the cpu.
turn on the 2 first options on tweakers paradise, cant remember the name, its about dynamic spd switching.
Now your xmps should work
I did exactly the same, it works!
I bought my components on black Friday.
Installed the 1003 bios ...what a great experience :-)
Consider a better cooler than Stock, I'll go for the NH-15.
please tell me where you got the 1003 bios from? its no longer on the asus website
@@joshuaabrahams2332 just got back to the website and click on SHOW ALL (under the only shown BIOS)
Amazing work Roman!!!
Please try the b660 strix - A d4 board!
If you have tried some ddr4 boards please share them with us so we can rule them out!
Back in the skylake days, Asrock with skyOC, had external clock generators, even in the lower end b\H boards, maybe this time they would do the same. Please try some of them if you have time to spare!!! And lets find a cheap ddr4 MB with bclk OC!!!!
@Marcus R thats unfortunate.... I saw posts that suggests asrock b660 steel legend works btw
Asrock has cheaper DDR4 B660s that support this, can you please look into?
source?
toms hardware mentioned it in an article, I've got one on pre-order but it doesn't release till the 8th feb in the U.K we will have to wait and see.
AsRock are RUBBISH
@@tilapiadave3234 Nonsense. B660M Pro RS is probably the best value B660 board and ASRock has some of the best value Intel boards for last couple of generations, especially ITX.
@@LastSecBloomer I was not directing my comment at ONE particular board. I have built maybe 100 systems and had near zero motherboard problems EXCEPT with AsRock ,, I no longer use their boards because of that. Happy with ASUS , happy with Gigabyte ,, Happy with MSI ,, will NOT use AsRock
Any updates here? Are there more B660 boards with this unction and more importantly, any B660 ddr4 motherboards?
Remember when you could OC by doing little more than changing FSB jumpers? This feels like a step back, in a good way
Now it's clear to me why scalpers with inside information were scalping DDR5. Didn't make sense up to this point. Now the real value of DDR5 is clear. Well played scalpers.
117W with this temperature seems like a severely understated value readout by sensor, especially with this overclock. With R20 I'm fairly sure it's closer to 180W than staying at 110ish watts.
Microcode gets an update - delete mcupdate_genuineintel.dll from System32 and you're good to go forever, until you reinstall your Windows.
On my 7700k R20 uses 95W while prime95 uses 91W. I'm not sure why but even though the power required is roughly the same with prime95 the CPU runs 18C hotter.
Meaning that looking at the power used does not give the full picture. Or maybe my rig is just broken 😂
@@mastroitek Prime wattage completely depends on testing profile, though 4W is within a margin of error. I strongly believe you've got something borked in bios, but it may also be due to concentrating power draw within cache. Z97 MPower with disabled SVID Support reports 40W under any load, when I disable it it shows half of what 5775c actually pulls. So 110W in CR20 and 160W in Prime95 10-140K packets.
@@PolskiJaszczomb well the only thing I changed in the bios (which I also updated more times) is the fan curve and a slight undervolting on the CPU. I also had the chance to measure the power from the wall and it was within 10W between the 2 benchmarks. So I have no idea why there is the 18C difference, maybe is just the sensor that has a life on its own 🤷
@@mastroitek Nah, seems like different part of cache is being brutalized, which makes it go warmer due to more concentrated heat area.
Could install Windows now then take a disk image, then restore it instead of installing.
I found everything in stock, but the one thing is the ddr5, the cheapest I can find is one stick for 189 usd for 16gb stick. Ouch That brings total platform cost up a hundred bucks, I almost should go with the z690 board with base clock overclocking. I just need to make sure I find one that has it.
What's the cheapest board that you can do this on? Those boards are still not cheap.
Well, it is the B660 ROG Strix mATX board in this video at the moment. No, it's not really cheap, but much cheaper than a 5800x and a decent B550 or X570 motherboard.
@@thejollysloth5743 Yeah 12400 is $180 vs $330 for 5800x at my local Microcenter. Definitely best deal so far.
Can you do this on a H670 board? The H670 is a higher tier board.
Hey, can anybody try newest 1203 beta BIOS on Strix B660I? It carries statement "- Improve system compatibility for non-K CPU".
You eventually found information about the compatibility of version 1203 with overclocking
They increased the price to 289€ here in Finland. Nice. :p
Please do 12700 overclock on b660
What about Strix Z690-A D4?
It would be interesting to revisit this process and hardware in a couple of years when DDR5 is available and reasonable in price and newer generation ships makes the rest of the hardware cheaper. guessing by then Intel will have found a way to quash this in later systems.
Now this is what im talking about, in previous video mobo price was my biggest pet peeve but now it seems its acutally a viable choice!
pretty sure that buy 12600k with cheap ddr4 z690 like msi a pro will get you a better system overall for about the same price since ddr5 prices are crazy. Youd get better chipset, 4 more E cores and you could keep your current ddr4 kit if you have one
How does blck overclocking compare to "traditional" overclocking? Is the end result exactly the same? How does it work? Is there any difference in voltage/power requirements?
If only there is DDR4 board available.... It will be pretty interesting for budget gamers.
waitin for asrock to have this on a h610
For sure, those mad lads are gonna enable it on the HDV board with its 2 5A phases lol. If they really do it, it could make for an amazing project/oc rig, since mem oc potential should be great with 2 dimm design. Just figure out the vrm cooling yourself
Does this work with b660i?
Not working
Where does the Asus ROG Strix B660-I fit in to this? Does it have the same options to overclock?
What about 12700 non k overclock??
I have a Asus TUF GAMING B660 plus wifi d4 and I don't see the manual option in the bios so o guess it can't overclock ☹️
We need a compilation of mobos that support this. Where's Reddit when we need it?
can you check if some ordinary B660 mobos (other than tested here) allow to change BCLK on CPU-K model ?
Might come soon. Right now not that I know
@@der8auer-en what about Asus ROG STRIX B660-A GAMING WIFI D4?
Can anybody report if it still works on Version 2012?
Works on 2012.
Bios 1620 (08!12!2022) still works. BTW: Windows probably updated it automatically for. Me...
can i overclock on MSI PRO B660M-A WIFI DDR4?
Great tutorial for the same setup I currently have. I just have a few questions:
- Would you recommend going any higher than a 15% oc?
- If I would go with the same oc in your video and try to lower the voltage step by step - by how much should it be lowered in 1 step?
Is it possible that we will see BCLK generator boards which can be soldered to motherboards which don't have clock generators ?
Please test 12700 overclock on b660 ddr4 motherboard.
I wonder if there are h670 boards with this feature available or cheap z690.
It is not on the Asus H670-Plus D4 nor the Asus Tuf Gaming B660m nor the Asrock RS Z690. The cheapest board I have that I have is the Asus Z690-p which recently was on Amazon for $155. Now, gettting any of my 4 locked 12th gen CPU's to do what this guy does...is another story.
Ok, so if Intel doesn't shut this down, and this also works on the DDR4 boards, they're going to be massively more competitive.
Less profitable, for sure, but they'll probably sell a lot more to overclockers.
The 12400F was arguably not worth buying over the 5600X for some people because it's a bit slower in most games, but now the 12400F is overclockable, it can completely kill the 5600X: cheaper, faster, more efficient; and the motherboards are more expensive, but not expensive enough to make it more expensive overall.
Will Intel shut this down? Would they rather milk their customers, or have more customers?
It should now be compared to the 5800x. In the cinebench test above it's 40 points away from beating it. 6 intel P cores vs 8 AMD cores. Very impressive.
It still lacks l3 cache, so 5600x or 5800x every day
Very cool!! :) THX for making this video :) A video just like this for the Bios setting for the i9 12900K on this board would be great... What settings to downvolt it and a little bit Overclock at the same time :)
does it work on i7 12700k?
unfortunately Asus either removed the BCLK value in the menu or it wasn't there with the B660-I. I mistakenly updated to the 2012 BIOS before realizing that the previous version that was shipping as of August/September 2022 was compatible with 13th gen out of the box. Without the BCLK change none of the other settings actually work to gain improvements. I have a 13400F and prior to installing that I was actually tuning a 13600K down to get thermals in check in a SFF case. After following all of these steps with the 13400F I was getting worse CB R23 scores than with just stock values. The issue seems to be not sustaining the PL1/PL2 boost for the actual value/time set. Also, the board will never let the 13400F boost to values above 4090Mhz during testing but then in Windows during idle tasks it will operate at 4300-4500Mhz. This makes zero sense. Even pushing the wattage for the total package power well above 65w still won't allow for sustained clock speeds during testing. Typical behavior is for CBR23 to hold the 41x ratio boost clock for maybe 4-5 minutes then drop. The Ratio will never allow to go higher manually BUT I was able to get the board to hold the 41x ratio for the full 10 minutes which I consider a win. I would LOVE for someone to also look into this with me!
I bought the same hardware combination ...let's see if and how it works.
I'm building in a week
Yayyy!!!!! 5.2ghz 12400 for $350 total is a great setup for me!
Hy
Do you thing a future Bios update will allow the Asus TUF B660-Plus wifi D4 the BCLK?
Do B660-G and B660-F use the same value for overclocking? I am using B660-F and want to know the overclocking value
We need to find out if there are cheaper b660 boards than Asus.
Keep up the good work. Thank you.
I have a question.
I noticed that there's 1 PCIe 5 safe slot on the Rog B660-F. What would I use it for? Upcoming Gen 5 SSD support/not?
What performance overlay are you using during the BF2042 benching? Looks sweet.
Der8auer, i have a question about the Max multi alowed by K cpus and 660 boards... They Will run Max multi unlocked? Or Will Stop at The maximum all core ratio?
Does the prime a-d4 work
I'm going to be looking forward to seeing this done on the 660-A D4
I got a B660-A Strix but the OC manual mode nothing... :( Auto, XMP1 and 2... But I flash the newest 1620 new CPU bios, i reflashing older 1003, and see OC mode manual is show or not.
Can these clocks be maintained when power limit kicks in?
You think the ASUS TUF Gaming B660M-Plus WiFi will also have this feature? I just ordered because the other board is not in stock.
I apologize in advance if this is a stupid question, but is it theoretically possible to do the same thing on an i7 12700K with the b660-f?
I see basic old school oc, I like it. Anything from something like E5200, i7 920 etc. up to new onces.
You were able to change the memory voltage but I'm reading that 'non-k' cpu's have vccsa voltage fixed. Am I missing something?
So does the B660 Strix Mini ITX board support this? Because if I can go 12700F and B660 for my ITX build I'm going to be super happy.
Thank you, Sir. Wonderful.
Your like the only guy who explains understandable overclocking tutorials everyone else sucks no offense to other overclockers
I’m curious if there are any mITX ‘boards that support this?
Quick question - when you show yourself doing stuff in the BIOS, we can see it's not taking the whole screen & can see Windows' desktop behind it - is there some way to do that on the same system, or are you running the output of 1 system into some kind of input on a second system?
Also, great to see that beautiful orange cuddle-magnet again. 😺
You're getting your eyes fooled by his background / set. That's a full screen bios.
You can clearly see the RUclips trophy/plaque on his wall in the side..how do you see a desktop background 😂 might be time for an eye exam my dude
@@samgoff5289 Now that you mention it, I am overdue for 1. 😳 Edit: I forgot to mention - on looking again, I could see the frame of the monitor. smh. I need new glasses.
@@justsomeguywashwd_jbm821 haha, atleast your hindsight is still good
can i use B660-M motherboard?