@alcaphon capulong I love how a game like this one can be unsubtle about something, and yet catch people unaware. How many would pick up the hint if they developed a Pseudo-Servant named Louis Cypher, I wonder?
8:29 the house arrest is probably why Bathory Erzsebet is a castle with speakers for windows. A story about this house arrest is that she would have guards patrolling outside her house and in a bid of loneliness would call out and sing to them, which they hated cause she was apparently tone deaf. Some accounts state that this incessant heckling at the guards is what pushed them to block the castle's windows, and later confine her to a room. I'm trying to find sources but I found this during my vampire weeb phase in high school so if I'm wrong don't come at me
Well this may have been pure hearsay from around the time of Liz's life and death I would believe a record for it does exist somewhere even if it will never see the internet, as I've come across a similar oddity with King Arthur that makes both The Lady of the Lake, and the Sword in the Stone stories true as two Arthurs a grandparent and grandchild. Which is even funnier because Fate accidentally referenced it with Bedivere and Lancer Artoria for the Camalot singularity. The main difference is the first Arthur still died while the Bedivere carried Excalibur until just before he died looking for his kings heir, where he plunged Excalibur into a stone with an oath that only Arthur's true heir may retrieve it.
I remember one day I sat down and tried to theory-craft what Liz would be like in every class. I think Foreigner is about the only class where there might be some difficultly in what Old God she'd be tied to. Whatever the case, I kind of like the Kiyo, Liz and Tamamo trio.
That is exactly how I act around every Tamamo that I meet, one is too many, and each new one is a greater evil. I did this before meeting Koyanskya, don’t know why. Never trust the fox lady.
@@cyborgcatrj6794 See... My problem is I'm down horrendous in the presence of fox girls so Tamamo, despite full well knowing how she is still makes me down bad as does Koyanskaya.
I get it, I feel the same way about any buff male servant with a shirtless ascension. For every Beowulf, a Blackbeard. Though simping got me Super Orion before I knew how OP he is, so it kind of evens out in the end. I guess the same applies with Tamamo and Koyanskaya
Ended up with Liz in my tutorial roll. While she wasn't my first choice, and I'm not a huge idol fan most of the time, it didn't take long for me to warm up to her. It turned out having essentially a bard who could buff my team's damage was just what I needed starting out, as a complement to Mash's defense. The idea it's her dragon-powered voice that's hurting enemies in her NP also amused the Skyrim fan in me. Like, imagine if the Greybeards, who already shake the room if they so much as whisper, started belting their favorite J-pop tracks, and that's what I see happening.
I recently watched a video about Elizabeth Bathory that discusses the possibility that she was not a sadistic blood drinking lady but rather an educated person in matters of medicine and surgery and perhaps the rumors about her being cruel and into torture because other nobles wanted to get their hands on her fortune and status especially since she was a single women living a comfy life. The video presents evidence of that possibility, of course in the end its a possibility however it was interesting to see the infamous Elizabeth bathory in a different light For anyone interested: ruclips.net/video/oUNonHQ4Nc8/видео.html
The hole about that theory is that house Bathory was even richer and more influential than house Nadasdy. Her husband even took Bathory's family name instead of the vice versa.
2:06 SHE IS a dragon, but all her parameter related to that are ranked down because she isn't some kind of legendary threat but rather became one due to her innocent monster skill. She did say she doesn't feel like a real one when she meet melucine, though. She s really a great character when you learn to know her. She started in CCC as an average antagonist who think everyone is bellow her until she finally understood that maybe murdering people left and right just because she doesn't like what they say and treating them as livestock isn't that right thing to do. After coming to chaldea, she learned to control herself and directed all that energy to the idol hobby by trying various other classes and finally she got to the rider class (cinderella) where she can really just speak her mind(she isn't as direct when she s a lancer) and only try to murder people who are actually trying to hurt/kill her. Honestly I really love the fact that we see her grow as a person unlike other servant who already did their things off screen or just stay the same. She really did change.
@@namoma4922 She didn't actually give up, archimedes messed up her mind to make her more merciless to the point she even tried to call for help before the process is done. But archmedes didn't plan she would pretty much act however she feels like rather than what he think is logical. The extella version is kind of between between after CCC and before fgo.
@@namoma4922 Nope in extella (archimedes' side story ending) she was just singing outdoor, minding her own business but archi decided he could use her as a puppet so he gave her velver power which basically made it so she could no longer hold her murder impulse back on top of getting a power up turning her into the heartless monster she was pre ccc character development. In one of her ending (which turned out to be all a dream) she defeat everyone and make them her slaves and basically use the master as walking blood bottle(she treat them like an object rather than a person) and considering she isn't willing to go that far, that just show how much she s holding back.
@@namoma4922 Also more proof that chaldea eliza is the same than extella eliza. In the saber version's valentine event when the master says that her choco look like a ring, she complain about saying that no servant around would eat rings or else matematicians would complain about it. An obvious call back to that time she ate one of the ring(regalia) when in velber mode and archimedes(which himself is a matematician) started losing his shit because he though he couldn't get it back after she did that.
I really enjoy watching/listening to your videos, to get to learn an enjoy pur favorite historical figures in fgo is fun and your humor makes it even more interesting to watch
I'm so glad a servant from my home country is so popular. Her NP name BTW if anyone doesn't know is just how her name is written and spelled in Hungarian. The VA actually prononces it really really well too.
Did you know that before FGO there was only Elizabeth Bathory and so had the combined personality of Eli and Carmilla, especially seen in the Fate Moon Cell games that shows her being incredibly sadistic, sexist(of both genders), bloodthirsty and violent combined with being short-tempered, having a fascination with singing, talking cutesy and having a sweet tooth.
I haven’t gotten a Liz, but I got Carmilla from the tutorial roll. Unfortunately for her, I got Jack the Ripper as my first 5 star so I never really used Carmilla cuz Jack is just a much better Assassin 😅
Love Eli-chan! She appears in FGO like she does in Fate/Extella, like a certain Useless water goddess you're stuck with! Except this time Liz gets same appreciation.
I really want Stephen Batory, king of Poland mentioned by you, to be in game as a Berserker and to see how would interact. I like to imagine Stephen having cringe over Eli's idol style of life and Eli to call him "Nii-san no baaaaka!" non stop. Stephen would also have interactions with Ivan, since he attacked Russia and won a war against them. There would hold a huge hatred toward eachother. And personally, I just want Polish Servant in game
So this video comes out right about the time i finally got Carmillas bond CE. Thank god for this event. I always found both Liz and Carmillia interesting, as like you showed they come from different sources but fate makes them the same character. It does make sense though at least for fate lore that they could be the same. Now i just wish Carmillia got more love
Ah yes right The part in our history that i hate the most When Hungary got split into fuckin 4 pieces basicly cesing to exist for a few years........ I hate this place
Probably not next unfortunately. Proto Arthur would be done alongside normal arthur in one video. Issue is that video is going to be like an hour long. But! I promise it will happen eventually!
And this is my issue with Carmilla. The fact she is just CCC’s Elizabeth Bathory. To explain, when Elizabeth is introduced in CCC she is an insane torture maniac who believes everyone is beneath her and is extremely obsessed with making Hakunon hers... in every way of the word. She slowly goes through character development, like all the Alter Egos, and eventually even helps Hakuno survive and obtains an interest in being an idol. FGO for some dumb reason took Carmilla, said “let’s give her Elizabeth’s original personality”, and called it a day. Carmilla even suffers the nightmares of being trapped in the castle, which is something tackled in CCC when Elizabeth was trapped inside a mind space by BB so she could relive her eternal nightmares. Basically, FGO Carmilla is a waste of a character, even worse than Apocrypha’s Vlad (at least that one represented Vlad’s nature as a ruthless yet efficient lord). Also, Elizabeth’s constant class changes started in Extra CCC where she was originally a Lancer and later a Berserker.
Since Elizabeth and Carmilla were originally the same person at different periods in their life, but only one of them underwent change after entering the Throne of Heroes, why exactly would Carmilla not be the same as Elizabeth in the beginning of CCC?
@@artofthepossible7329 My point is that Carmilla is pointless. We had her character already in CCC. If we wanted a repeat of that character but without the Kishinami interference (that leads to idol shenanigans) they could have just made an actual adult Elizabeth without the vampire crap. The actual Carmilla has her own story and interesting lore attached to her, which the FGO version completely ignores by merely making her an adult Elizabeth Bathory. At least Vlad was ACTUALLY part of the inspiration for Dracula.
Lets go carmilla content
Obviously u would be here
Saw this video and my first thought was "Where's Plushie Miss... oh there she is"
A wild carmilla lover has appeared
Fate: she so cute
Lore: OH MY GOD
That's Fate in a nutshell.
checks out
litteraly me
@@guardiansoulblade2673 the thing is fate isn’t even hiding their lore most of the time you can literally read their profile to see their lore
@alcaphon capulong I love how a game like this one can be unsubtle about something, and yet catch people unaware. How many would pick up the hint if they developed a Pseudo-Servant named Louis Cypher, I wonder?
8:29 the house arrest is probably why Bathory Erzsebet is a castle with speakers for windows. A story about this house arrest is that she would have guards patrolling outside her house and in a bid of loneliness would call out and sing to them, which they hated cause she was apparently tone deaf. Some accounts state that this incessant heckling at the guards is what pushed them to block the castle's windows, and later confine her to a room.
I'm trying to find sources but I found this during my vampire weeb phase in high school so if I'm wrong don't come at me
Honestly I hope that’s true cause that’s fascinating
Well this may have been pure hearsay from around the time of Liz's life and death I would believe a record for it does exist somewhere even if it will never see the internet, as I've come across a similar oddity with King Arthur that makes both The Lady of the Lake, and the Sword in the Stone stories true as two Arthurs a grandparent and grandchild. Which is even funnier because Fate accidentally referenced it with Bedivere and Lancer Artoria for the Camalot singularity. The main difference is the first Arthur still died while the Bedivere carried Excalibur until just before he died looking for his kings heir, where he plunged Excalibur into a stone with an oath that only Arthur's true heir may retrieve it.
Honestly, I can't wait for Cinder-Elly. I just love that over the top design.
Spoiler the cider-Liz np always cracks me up
And she is pretty good too for a change
If only it was a full ballgown instead of the front half being exposed
I remember one day I sat down and tried to theory-craft what Liz would be like in every class. I think Foreigner is about the only class where there might be some difficultly in what Old God she'd be tied to.
Whatever the case, I kind of like the Kiyo, Liz and Tamamo trio.
They’ll do a servantverse Liz planet as a threat to the universe and that’ll be foreigner Liz. Guaranteed
That is exactly how I act around every Tamamo that I meet, one is too many, and each new one is a greater evil. I did this before meeting Koyanskya, don’t know why. Never trust the fox lady.
I don't think she needs an old god, like MHXX doesn't have one since she is a gag character.
@@cyborgcatrj6794 See... My problem is I'm down horrendous in the presence of fox girls so Tamamo, despite full well knowing how she is still makes me down bad as does Koyanskaya.
I get it, I feel the same way about any buff male servant with a shirtless ascension. For every Beowulf, a Blackbeard. Though simping got me Super Orion before I knew how OP he is, so it kind of evens out in the end. I guess the same applies with Tamamo and Koyanskaya
“What, is there some kind of demand for virgin girls?”
-Robin Hood
Ended up with Liz in my tutorial roll. While she wasn't my first choice, and I'm not a huge idol fan most of the time, it didn't take long for me to warm up to her. It turned out having essentially a bard who could buff my team's damage was just what I needed starting out, as a complement to Mash's defense. The idea it's her dragon-powered voice that's hurting enemies in her NP also amused the Skyrim fan in me. Like, imagine if the Greybeards, who already shake the room if they so much as whisper, started belting their favorite J-pop tracks, and that's what I see happening.
Hey now we all know the Greybeards would be singing Metal not pop, they are Nords after all.
My first four star Carmilla is still one of my main assassins specifically for the female niche
Also plushies wife
I recently watched a video about Elizabeth Bathory that discusses the possibility that she was not a sadistic blood drinking lady but rather an educated person in matters of medicine and surgery and perhaps the rumors about her being cruel and into torture because other nobles wanted to get their hands on her fortune and status especially since she was a single women living a comfy life.
The video presents evidence of that possibility, of course in the end its a possibility however it was interesting to see the infamous Elizabeth bathory in a different light
For anyone interested: ruclips.net/video/oUNonHQ4Nc8/видео.html
i remember that the king at the time owe her husband quite a massive amount of money, her being arrest will only help him
Surprisingly similar to Gilles or even Nero in a way
Hmmm
Great job now when I read Carmilla imma just be imagining all the characters as Riyo portraits.
For more info on Liz, I recommend looking up Count Dankula's vid and the Infobiographic vid on Elizabeth Bathorey. They do a lot on her history.
Some historian say she could be innocent as king wants to get rid of her as he owe A LOT OF debt to Liz husband
The hole about that theory is that house Bathory was even richer and more influential than house Nadasdy. Her husband even took Bathory's family name instead of the vice versa.
Two Words: *Plushie Mistress*
I also have a love/hate relationship with Carmilla/Liz. As in I love Carmilla (first ever 4star), and hate Liz.
I really want a Liz alter who is a ruler class :) Have all the other rulers complain she is completely unqualified and she takes it as a challenge. :D
2:06
SHE IS a dragon, but all her parameter related to that are ranked down because she isn't some kind of legendary threat but rather became one due to her innocent monster skill.
She did say she doesn't feel like a real one when she meet melucine, though.
She s really a great character when you learn to know her.
She started in CCC as an average antagonist who think everyone is bellow her until she finally understood that maybe murdering people left and right just because she doesn't like what they say and treating them as livestock isn't that right thing to do.
After coming to chaldea, she learned to control herself and directed all that energy to the idol hobby by trying various other classes and finally she got to the rider class (cinderella) where she can really just speak her mind(she isn't as direct when she s a lancer) and only try to murder people who are actually trying to hurt/kill her.
Honestly I really love the fact that we see her grow as a person unlike other servant who already did their things off screen or just stay the same.
She really did change.
I liked her in extella too even though she gave up on redemption a bit too easily(but she hard trolled archimedes so i forgive her
@@namoma4922 She didn't actually give up, archimedes messed up her mind to make her more merciless to the point she even tried to call for help before the process is done. But archmedes didn't plan she would pretty much act however she feels like rather than what he think is logical.
The extella version is kind of between between after CCC and before fgo.
@@drearydoll6305 but before she got corrupted by Velber she still chose to go to Archimedes?
@@namoma4922 Nope in extella (archimedes' side story ending) she was just singing outdoor, minding her own business but archi decided he could use her as a puppet so he gave her velver power which basically made it so she could no longer hold her murder impulse back on top of getting a power up turning her into the heartless monster she was pre ccc character development. In one of her ending (which turned out to be all a dream) she defeat everyone and make them her slaves and basically use the master as walking blood bottle(she treat them like an object rather than a person) and considering she isn't willing to go that far, that just show how much she s holding back.
@@namoma4922 Also more proof that chaldea eliza is the same than extella eliza. In the saber version's valentine event when the master says that her choco look like a ring, she complain about saying that no servant around would eat rings or else matematicians would complain about it. An obvious call back to that time she ate one of the ring(regalia) when in velber mode and archimedes(which himself is a matematician) started losing his shit because he though he couldn't get it back after she did that.
That quiet "Jesus Christ" 😂
Relationship with Liz: *BURNING INTENSE HATRED*
Relationship with Carmilla: *Hot vampire mommy*
This for me but in reverse
I really enjoy watching/listening to your videos, to get to learn an enjoy pur favorite historical figures in fgo is fun and your humor makes it even more interesting to watch
She was my first gold assassin and I've wanted to know more about her origin for a while so thank you for this.
I also have Lancer Liz but whatever
yeah she was my first gold assassin as well man she carried me in the story man she needs a buff in her skills tho.
@@TheLazyOne29 she hits like a mosquito
Just waiting for Plushie Mistress to comment
Already did
i love Elizabeth's design
"They recognize each other from the dream years ago"
wait
I'm so glad a servant from my home country is so popular.
Her NP name BTW if anyone doesn't know is just how her name is written and spelled in Hungarian.
The VA actually prononces it really really well too.
Did you know that before FGO there was only Elizabeth Bathory and so had the combined personality of Eli and Carmilla, especially seen in the Fate Moon Cell games that shows her being incredibly sadistic, sexist(of both genders), bloodthirsty and violent combined with being short-tempered, having a fascination with singing, talking cutesy and having a sweet tooth.
Sexist towards both genders? Bruh I think that's just misanthropy
@@Solvernia yeah, its just another terminally online kid puking words it doesnt actually understands
Well she was a berserker in CCC for a while
The realization that you have mecha-eli and assassin carmilla but not Liz is weird
Fucking love your videos man! And they always pop up on my news feed as SOON as i get done writing for the day! Coincidence?
Elizebeth is Omni present that why she every where with her sword rider and caster forms.
Damn. I dont know what to feel about not having her, though I do have Carmilla.
I haven’t gotten a Liz, but I got Carmilla from the tutorial roll. Unfortunately for her, I got Jack the Ripper as my first 5 star so I never really used Carmilla cuz Jack is just a much better Assassin 😅
unfortunate, but absolutely understandable
Thanks for the great video!
At this point there can an entire show about Elisabeth and I’d watch the shit out of it
Love Eli-chan! She appears in FGO like she does in Fate/Extella, like a certain Useless water goddess you're stuck with! Except this time Liz gets same appreciation.
Technically speaking Liz is a berserker as well In fate CCC
So maybe one day we will get her
I'd love to see behind the servants: Chen Gong and Lu Bu or Sima Yi and Zhuge Liang
I’ve already got them on my doc!
I, for one, dont mind pulling Liz. Can never have too many Rare Prisms, after all!
I really want Stephen Batory, king of Poland mentioned by you, to be in game as a Berserker and to see how would interact. I like to imagine Stephen having cringe over Eli's idol style of life and Eli to call him "Nii-san no baaaaka!" non stop. Stephen would also have interactions with Ivan, since he attacked Russia and won a war against them. There would hold a huge hatred toward eachother. And personally, I just want Polish Servant in game
So this video comes out right about the time i finally got Carmillas bond CE. Thank god for this event.
I always found both Liz and Carmillia interesting, as like you showed they come from different sources but fate makes them the same character. It does make sense though at least for fate lore that they could be the same.
Now i just wish Carmillia got more love
Love the MTG card references LMAO
Your lucky , I only have her robot alter form
Hope we get both Vlads as well
Say what you will, she carried my account with all the times she decided to become a welfare.
Which is why I plan on getting the OG version.
Well actually in fate ccc she turns into a berserker that one point in the story.
im a big fan of gilles de rais and elizabeth :D
Would you be able to do David and Queen of Sheba
Me having played fgo for 2 years and not having a single Liz.
Apparently this video is Carmila bait. Just pulled her instead of Bradamante... Was so excited when the sparkles showed up too...
number 2 carmilla fan approves this (i cant surpass plushie)
Never gotten Liz. I did get Carmilla though.
I want liz and in the 2yrs of playing, still no liz T-T
I love Liz.She has no right to be as proeminent but she does it anyway. She is also cute, and her serious storylines are good when they want it to be.
Ah yes right
The part in our history that i hate the most
When Hungary got split into fuckin 4 pieces basicly cesing to exist for a few years........
I hate this place
Liz Love
could you Please do Proto Arthur next
Probably not next unfortunately. Proto Arthur would be done alongside normal arthur in one video. Issue is that video is going to be like an hour long. But! I promise it will happen eventually!
Lizzy is that one girl that looks cute and would be cuter...If she kept her damn mouth shut for a moment.
She's cute
Not facts, but I just saw it as Vlad adopting Liz, and that's how they are related.
Csejte is pronounced as "chey-teh"
Do Ramses the 2nd
And this is my issue with Carmilla. The fact she is just CCC’s Elizabeth Bathory. To explain, when Elizabeth is introduced in CCC she is an insane torture maniac who believes everyone is beneath her and is extremely obsessed with making Hakunon hers... in every way of the word. She slowly goes through character development, like all the Alter Egos, and eventually even helps Hakuno survive and obtains an interest in being an idol. FGO for some dumb reason took Carmilla, said “let’s give her Elizabeth’s original personality”, and called it a day. Carmilla even suffers the nightmares of being trapped in the castle, which is something tackled in CCC when Elizabeth was trapped inside a mind space by BB so she could relive her eternal nightmares.
Basically, FGO Carmilla is a waste of a character, even worse than Apocrypha’s Vlad (at least that one represented Vlad’s nature as a ruthless yet efficient lord).
Also, Elizabeth’s constant class changes started in Extra CCC where she was originally a Lancer and later a Berserker.
Since Elizabeth and Carmilla were originally the same person at different periods in their life, but only one of them underwent change after entering the Throne of Heroes, why exactly would Carmilla not be the same as Elizabeth in the beginning of CCC?
@@artofthepossible7329 My point is that Carmilla is pointless. We had her character already in CCC. If we wanted a repeat of that character but without the Kishinami interference (that leads to idol shenanigans) they could have just made an actual adult Elizabeth without the vampire crap.
The actual Carmilla has her own story and interesting lore attached to her, which the FGO version completely ignores by merely making her an adult Elizabeth Bathory. At least Vlad was ACTUALLY part of the inspiration for Dracula.