I dont get it, why do so many people like the Sram brakes so much? Shimano and Magura work so good and they’re generally cheaper and you dont need to deal with DOT fluid! I prefer Magura and Shimano way way more but thats just me.
Actually no one that has ever ridden properly installed shimano or Magura mid class to high end brakes could, while making a straight face, say that they like the srams more... I just can't imagine that there are people that prefer srams. Everyone I've ridden with almost immediately changed their brakes or at least thought about it after riding my shiguras lol I always think that many people like srams because they just don't know anything else, as its often the stock brake option on new bikes... They should really change that xD
Yeah and they should also make a option for rear shock like I know they will sell it with high level shock like Rockshox and Fox to increase the value and to make the consumer no option but to buy the frame I see this kind of strategy in Trek where they put the most expensive rear shock so you pay more when you buy frame not like commencal where you can buy the frame without shock
@Calvin Dachs 🦡 I only rode it on the downhill course, but coming from the trek slash(wich I like as a bikepark bike), I felt very familiar and it was a lot of fun on the dh course. So I think it is, aspecialy that the S and M comes with mullet.
Im thinkin about the fact that it is Carbon fibre... I mean yes AL and CF both got their pros and cons but Id rather pick the AL version. Im asking myself if its as good or nearly as good as the CFR... It costs like 2k less and Im wondering if you can feel that difference?
I am thinking of that green/black Sender with coil shock but I have never tried a coil before...I recently have YT Tues CF Pro from 2019 on 27.5 with air shock. I am afraid, that it might kill the poppiness which is amazing on my recent DH bike....
Pros and cons my man! That Sender is one sick bike! We'd run it for sure, could always try coil and then depending on terrain/destination switch between air and coil?
@@TheLoamWolfWell that might be an option. This year model is sold out anyway so i will wait till the next season. I am still happy with my Tues, so no big deal 🙂
Petr38. I come from a moto background. . Kill the poppiness to me means when speeds get fun the bike will spit you off and kick you in the ass. Planted with coil suspension wins it for me.
You can't adjust the reach to -8mm with the Rockshox Boxxer. Unfortunately that's written nowhere unless you buy it (then there is a small note on the fork).
Hello Loam Wolf. You mention the brakes and the quality . To be exact?? Is it the break handle or the wire? Maybe you can describe the part and how it brakes. It not the grip tape I thinking about now. And if you could recommend which part need to change before I put it together. Thanks
We've ridden probably 12 pairs of those brakes on various test bikes. Simply put, with exception, they aren't reliable or long lasting. Lever feel changes quickly and the length of pull and lever feel from left to right lever are inconsistent and one weekend of hard descending at a bike park will have the two levers feeling like different brakes entirely. Also, they just aren't quite as powerful as some options on the market. They require more maintenance (bleeding specifically), they lose power quite a bit when they heat up on long downhills and levers come closer to the bar each run. Compared to a Guide RS, they're certainly a step up in terms of power, but if you're upgrading and going through that work, why not make it worth the effort...
Sounds sorta right, but also depends on your preference. We had a L and an XL, the XL didn't feel bad and fit decent but the large definitely felt better in every way, but I prefer a smaller bike. -Sean (6' 1" , 6'2" on a good day)
It's the sensation and action of the pedals essentially punching your feet as they want to back-pedal when the rear wheel hits square-edge hits, or impacts at high speeds. it's essentially inefficient as it's a hang up in suspension and it increases fatigue as the impact to your feet is tiring and slows you and the bike down. Basically as the rear wheel moves, and hesitates momentarily before doing so, the chain length grows and that growing chain length pulls derailleur and wants to spin the cranks backwards. All things that rob forward energy.
@@TheLoamWolf It is not possible to feel pedal kickback when going fast as the rear wheel is turning (unless you block it with a rear brake) . You would feel pedal kickback if you do huge drop to flat when going very slowly. There are slow mo videos of DH bikes, proving there is no pedal kickback when going fast (upper part of the chain is very slack/loose on rough track. As there is no tension there can not be kickback.)
@@PabloDiabloPL We disagree with you there Pablo. If you take a bike that has a lot of pedal kickback and ride it down a trail with and without a chain, you will 100% feel less fatigue in your feet, a smoother rear end and overall faster time. We have ridden over a hundred different bikes on the same trails with countless changes to settings and there are very different amounts of pedal feedback and foot fatigue from inefficient designs to more compliant ones.
The suspension design for proper dh is noticeably worse than the Canyon and it’s really designed for super progressive shocks and Pro riders. If your a mere mortal it works really well as a freeride bike because the suspension just absorbs the shit out of everything but most people aren’t hitting anything big enough to warrant that as an advantage. I’ve ridden both of these bikes but yt tues is the other direct sales bike and I’ve heard good things but I doubt it’s as fast as the canyon.
@@cameronbidiix218 Yes, downhill bikes need to absorb the shit out of everything LMAO. That's why the Commencal is so good. High pivot is the future of downhill. Just look at the new 2022 Trek Session. They moved to a high pivot. Why? Because it's better. Just go read the tech sheet about it. Wheel path, pedal kickback, progression curve, Commencal has it figured out and that's why you are seeing more high pivot bikes.
@@mtbohana I was talking about single impacts because over repeated impacts the commencal lacks support and you need way too high of a rebound setting. It may be that high pivot is better but overall the suspension is better on the canyon, for me at least.
This video reeaaaalllllyyy makes me want to buy a DH bike again, so fun.
Me too !! Seem so smooooth
They’re the best!!
I dont get it, why do so many people like the Sram brakes so much? Shimano and Magura work so good and they’re generally cheaper and you dont need to deal with DOT fluid! I prefer Magura and Shimano way way more but thats just me.
Actually no one that has ever ridden properly installed shimano or Magura mid class to high end brakes could, while making a straight face, say that they like the srams more... I just can't imagine that there are people that prefer srams. Everyone I've ridden with almost immediately changed their brakes or at least thought about it after riding my shiguras lol
I always think that many people like srams because they just don't know anything else, as its often the stock brake option on new bikes... They should really change that xD
I wish they would offer it as a frameset in the future
Yeah and they should also make a option for rear shock like I know they will sell it with high level shock like Rockshox and Fox to increase the value and to make the consumer no option but to buy the frame I see this kind of strategy in Trek where they put the most expensive rear shock so you pay more when you buy frame not like commencal where you can buy the frame without shock
i just tested one today, the same model same specs, it was amazing... now i want one!
Good choice!
@Calvin Dachs 🦡 I only rode it on the downhill course, but coming from the trek slash(wich I like as a bikepark bike), I felt very familiar and it was a lot of fun on the dh course. So I think it is, aspecialy that the S and M comes with mullet.
Super sick 🤘
It sure is!
Im thinkin about the fact that it is Carbon fibre... I mean yes AL and CF both got their pros and cons but Id rather pick the AL version. Im asking myself if its as good or nearly as good as the CFR... It costs like 2k less and Im wondering if you can feel that difference?
Will you review the new canyon spectral
We have a Spectral ON that we’re testing now.
Does this also count for the mullet underdog?
It's a shame they don't offer a mullet in the large and extra large.... more offerings to the customer.
I am thinking of that green/black Sender with coil shock but I have never tried a coil before...I recently have YT Tues CF Pro from 2019 on 27.5 with air shock. I am afraid, that it might kill the poppiness which is amazing on my recent DH bike....
Pros and cons my man! That Sender is one sick bike! We'd run it for sure, could always try coil and then depending on terrain/destination switch between air and coil?
@@TheLoamWolfWell that might be an option. This year model is sold out anyway so i will wait till the next season. I am still happy with my Tues, so no big deal 🙂
Petr38. I come from a moto background. . Kill the poppiness to me means when speeds get fun the bike will spit you off and kick you in the ass. Planted with coil suspension wins it for me.
You can't adjust the reach to -8mm with the Rockshox Boxxer. Unfortunately that's written nowhere unless you buy it (then there is a small note on the fork).
yes,thats why i got confused when he said.he reduced the reach...so he said but he couldent and didnt?
Nice Vlog..
I shuttle south mountain in Phoenix az, especially Geronimo and I want to get a dh bike in the near future. Would you recommend this bike for me?
They would as they said its the best
so you can reduce the reach with the boxxer as well?on the page they say;plus8/0
I'm 5'9 to 5'10
would u recommend a medium for me?
Yeah I think we would!
Hello Loam Wolf. You mention the brakes and the quality . To be exact?? Is it the break handle or the wire? Maybe you can describe the part and how it brakes. It not the grip tape I thinking about now.
And if you could recommend which part need to change before I put it together.
Thanks
We're talking about the reliability, and overall braking power.
@@TheLoamWolf so maby it is the best to change the hole brakes grip whire clamp disc??
🤙🤙🤙
What is your setup that improves your riding
What kind of 250mm shock does it use??
fmd spec seems equally good and you get reliable brakes ha
How come RSCs are not great? I planned to upgrade to them from Guide Rs on my Spectral... 🤔
We've ridden probably 12 pairs of those brakes on various test bikes. Simply put, with exception, they aren't reliable or long lasting. Lever feel changes quickly and the length of pull and lever feel from left to right lever are inconsistent and one weekend of hard descending at a bike park will have the two levers feeling like different brakes entirely.
Also, they just aren't quite as powerful as some options on the market. They require more maintenance (bleeding specifically), they lose power quite a bit when they heat up on long downhills and levers come closer to the bar each run. Compared to a Guide RS, they're certainly a step up in terms of power, but if you're upgrading and going through that work, why not make it worth the effort...
@@TheLoamWolf thank you for the detailed answer. What brake would you recommend for 300 US bucks? TRP DHR EVO?
@@Tequila628 Yes. Without a doubt.
@@TheLoamWolf bought dhr evos, now I could never go back to anything else.
Review the canyon stoic
Coming soon! We're putting in some miles and want to test it's durability.
@@TheLoamWolf looking forward to see it 👍🏻 great videos
It would be good to see if it can handle biggish jumps.
Is a dh bike good for big jumps ?
yes
6ft 2 and canyon saying I'm a large... does that sound right? 🤔
Sounds sorta right, but also depends on your preference. We had a L and an XL, the XL didn't feel bad and fit decent but the large definitely felt better in every way, but I prefer a smaller bike. -Sean (6' 1" , 6'2" on a good day)
@@TheLoamWolf was you running the 485 reach or +/- 8 on the large?
If I recall correctly, we kept the large at the factory 485 setting, but we did shorten the XL.
What is pedal Kick back.
It's the sensation and action of the pedals essentially punching your feet as they want to back-pedal when the rear wheel hits square-edge hits, or impacts at high speeds. it's essentially inefficient as it's a hang up in suspension and it increases fatigue as the impact to your feet is tiring and slows you and the bike down. Basically as the rear wheel moves, and hesitates momentarily before doing so, the chain length grows and that growing chain length pulls derailleur and wants to spin the cranks backwards. All things that rob forward energy.
@@TheLoamWolf
It is not possible to feel pedal kickback when going fast as the rear wheel is turning (unless you block it with a rear brake) . You would feel pedal kickback if you do huge drop to flat when going very slowly. There are slow mo videos of DH bikes, proving there is no pedal kickback when going fast (upper part of the chain is very slack/loose on rough track. As there is no tension there can not be kickback.)
@@PabloDiabloPL We disagree with you there Pablo. If you take a bike that has a lot of pedal kickback and ride it down a trail with and without a chain, you will 100% feel less fatigue in your feet, a smoother rear end and overall faster time. We have ridden over a hundred different bikes on the same trails with countless changes to settings and there are very different amounts of pedal feedback and foot fatigue from inefficient designs to more compliant ones.
Can I have it?
Definitely not! Canyon can't even have it back, we're keeping it. 😂
when tf can i buy these ?
Looking like September/October of this year. But only for certain sizes on certain builds.
is this a specialized demo frame rebranded?
No
🙌🙏💪💪💪💯💯💯🎁🎯🚨🔥🔥🔥
Everyone knows Commencal makes the best DH bike.
Not the best but most durable and reliable.
The suspension design for proper dh is noticeably worse than the Canyon and it’s really designed for super progressive shocks and Pro riders. If your a mere mortal it works really well as a freeride bike because the suspension just absorbs the shit out of everything but most people aren’t hitting anything big enough to warrant that as an advantage. I’ve ridden both of these bikes but yt tues is the other direct sales bike and I’ve heard good things but I doubt it’s as fast as the canyon.
@@cameronbidiix218 Yes, downhill bikes need to absorb the shit out of everything LMAO. That's why the Commencal is so good. High pivot is the future of downhill. Just look at the new 2022 Trek Session. They moved to a high pivot. Why? Because it's better. Just go read the tech sheet about it. Wheel path, pedal kickback, progression curve, Commencal has it figured out and that's why you are seeing more high pivot bikes.
@@mtbohana I was talking about single impacts because over repeated impacts the commencal lacks support and you need way too high of a rebound setting. It may be that high pivot is better but overall the suspension is better on the canyon, for me at least.
@@cameronbidiix218 That was an issue on the 2019 Commencal. They fixed it in 2020 and refined even more in 2021.