This could be one of their worst videos yet for using file footage completely irrelevant to the subject being talked about. Hornets, Typroons, Fulcrums, Fishbeds, Floggers etc.
The word around the campfire is that they do it intentionally to gin up lots of commentary for the algorithm. That's why I downvote every video with blatant and obvious errors like that.
Perhaps that's why the French call it the 'Mirage'..because it has the ability to appear as things that it is not....like Hornets, Typhoons, Fulcrums, Fishbeds, Floggers...I thought exactly the same thing you did when I watched this ridiculous video. The damn Mirage is flown by about 25% of the world's air forces, for Pete's sake. Can't find enough footage?!!
Yes there does seem to be a lot of odd footage where it's talking about the F16 but showing the FA/18 and a couple of random shots of the Eurofighter at times when it's talking about another plane at the time. Needs a bit more editing this one! 😁
What a great transformer plane. Base on the clips from this video, it can transform from the Dassult Mirage, to the Mig-29 Fulcrum, to the F/A-18 Hornet, and to the Eurofighter Typhoon, then back again. This would surely confused the enemy. 😁
Indian Airforce’s Love and trust for Mirage is of different level, so much so that they used the Mirage again in 2019 for strike on Terrorist hide outs in Pakistan. This trust was one of the key factor for Indians to choose Dassault’s Rafale over, Eurofighter Typhoon and F-18 again
Yep. Main thing no strong attached to plane or its parts. USA usually stops exporting parts once their see their interest is not served or they are ignored
I'm sorry, but the only reason the Mirage survived was due to the Pakistanis having outdated electronics in their aircraft. You can put a mediocre 4th Gen fighter against a great 3rd Gen and it will win. The Mirage is a cheap junky plane for third world countries. Not to be taken seriously by a first world power.
@jacktheaviator4938 Oh really? Israel and France used Mirage variants in their conflicts and with great success. Also, explain how the Mirage series was a great export success, despite being a “cheap junky plane” as you had claimed. In fact, the Mirage 2000 was not a cheap platform either compared to the F-16’s.
There are so many videos of Greek mirages. You could have used the official videos of the Hellenic Air Force. Some of them are great and show the abilities of this beautiful aircraft! Videos of the French Air Force are even better!
I REALLY enjoy your videos, especially looking at the iconic planes of the cold war. Occasionally footage doesn't match the topic and that makes it confusing - for example, talking in this video about hte Twin Engine Mirage, but showing footage of FA18, Eurofighter and Panavia Tornados. I understand that limited library footage may be available, but still image etc might be more appropriate. Keep up the great work
One of the most annoying aspects of videos like this. I know it has more to do with the availability of footage, but really... it would be better to put up a still image of the craft you're talking about. Aviation fans are really irritated by this kind of presentation.
Hilarious!! Are they trolling us do you think? Random aircraft footage now of various types.. maybe the editor and narrator can’t preview each others work during production for kicks!? 😂
@@kiwi_comanche so it’s all down to the editor then… oh and go lay your gilt trip on someone else.. the quality of these videos is shameful and it’s fair to comment on it… ok? Bye
I liked this comment at the beginning but by the end I could see that maybe they were showing aircraft flown by Indian and pakistan also, not sure where the tornado fits in tho.
It's apparently done for the algorithms, to increase discussion in the comments which will put the video at the top of the list. The only way to counteract that is by downvoting the video, which I definitely did.
The M-2000 is not small. In fact, seeing it up-close it looks appreciably larger than an F-16. This does not have to do with the physical dimensions, which are similar for the two aircraft, but with the total volume and height of the airframe above ground, with gear down. With the delta wing and an engine significantly less powerful than that of the F-16, it is great for 1-2 instantaneous tight turns but then runs out of energy. More often than not, in real situations 1-2 turns is all it takes, however.
@@erikdouglas9952 About 15m and 14m in length and 10m and 9.1 in wingspan for the F-16 and M-2000 respectively, is hardly a 30% difference in dimensions. The difference is greater in empty weight (F-16 being quite a bit heavier). However, my point is just that the M-2000 is not the tiny fighter described. In fact, having seen the two up close and side-by-side, the M-2000 does look larger, probably because of the optically larger fuselage and greater ground clearance.
Taiwan recently did a 4 on 4 live exercise with F-2000's vs F-16V's. The results was the mirage won 4-1. It's seem that the mirage is a relevant 21st century exceptional fighter.
mirage "an optical illusion caused by atmospheric conditions, especially the appearance of a sheet of water in a desert or on a hot road caused by the refraction of light from the sky by heated air." I guess that explains why we saw so many other planes in this video. 🙂
I'm amazed at how many different types of Mirage 2000 were developed. I counted at least three twin-tail twin-engine versions and one single-tail twin-engine version. I thought the Mirage 2000s were all single-tail single-engine.
well, french planes with french pilots inside have that very obnoxious tendency to shoot down, in combat as much as in _roleplayin',_ those cheap american planes like F-16, F-15E, F/A-18 or even the elusive F-22 to the greatest dismay of the 'merican militards... 😹 there were some US pilots integrated in a french squadron near Nancy that were, all of them, raving about the Mirages 2000 they were flying with compared to what they flew before. them Pentagon Perfumed Princes weren't happy and told them in no uncertain terms to tone it way way down or else... 🤭
During it's live span, and still in service now there was never any doubt that the Mirage 2000 was a real threat to any aircraft, including the Mig-29. And yes it was and is certainly equal to the F-16. You got to love this aircraft, formidable dogfighting capabilities as well as a very potent multi role platform. An interceptor, and a platform to deliver anti shipping and nuclear payloads. Well followed up by the Rafale, even a little before it's Time..I saw them at many airshows and seeing them fly through the valleys of the Provence on low altitude runs. It will always have a special place for me..
It definitely isn't equal. The only thing the Mirage can do better is 1 circle fights. It can pull some AOA, but that also leaves it vulnerable to the way an F16 fights. First off the F16 is one of the best BVR fighters ever, there's no comparison here. In a merge the F16 would just take the Mirage to the deck and engage it in a rate fight. The F16 is the best rate fighter ever (besides 5th gen fighters). As long as the pilot was patient and fought his fight, he would win every time.
@@Damitsall the delta wing configuration actually allows the mirage to pull harder, it has been seen in Red Flag exercises that mirage have better authority than F-16s. And I'm not sure where you got the info that the F-16 is one of the best BVR aircraft when that role was given to the F-15 while the F-16 was designed as a close-in dogfighter at first. Sure it can BVR but it's definitely not the best plane at it, any gen 4.5+ plane is better suited for that.
@geekadeuzan I agree with you, that's what I said, the Mirage can pull more AOA (Angle Of Attack). There's a downside to that though, the Mirage has a ton of drag which makes it loose energy very quickly. That's why when you see dogfights with it and other delta wings (not as applicable to the newer ones) they often get into a "toilet bowl" or spiral down to the ground. They are cashing in altitude for energy. Which is exactly where the F16 wants it. Once the fight gets to the ground, it often becomes a 2 circle or rate fight, in which the F16 dominates pretty much everything. The F16 was always designed with BVR in mind, but yes it was designed with dogfighting in mind first. Although personally I would agree with you that I like the F15 better, there is no denying the F16 is very competitive with it and a lot of pilots would argue its better.
As I was in an airforce of a country that has mainly F16s but a few Mirage too, and having an adversary that has F16 I can pretty surely say the Mirage is better.If the pilots are equally skilled.I once saw a Mirage take off a dozen meters away from me, then at like 30 feet attitude seconds after leaving the ground ,pilot turned up at 120 degrees and went up while upside down!Craziest thing I ever saw and I never found a video of something similar.
@@SophieHound Are you expecting me to blindly follow the videos opinion?When I was in an airforce of F16s and Mirages that dogfights enemy F16s everyday?Did learn many things of its history though.
@@havocgr1976 Yeah, Just like the video, I got No idea what's going on in your comment havocgr. I understand you were in some kinda Airforce? What about the Mirages and F-16's? Who'd they get into dog fights with?
@@havocgr1976 Okay, Thank you for your service. The intent of my comment was, to point out the poor video quality. Not your country's lucky shot. So, my apologies...
PLEASE !PLEASE! PLEASE! Find someone who knows the difference between aircraft to edit the footage for a Mirage 2000 video Why T.F. is there so much footage of F18s!!!!! and typhoons....and Mig 23s. FFS.
most of the footage is f18 and mig 29 not mirage 2000, indeed it is well documented within the greek air force that a mirage could most of the times outgun and get an upper hand on the f16 in 90% of the cases
This channel is just a hub of misinformation. Every video has completely wrong footage and completely false information. They're not trying to make good content, just content that appeals to the algorithm so they can make money. People need to stop watching this drivel.
I love this channel. But what others have said is completely correct. There’s so many clips of aircraft not relevant to the discussion at all it’s a bit ridiculous.
It is everything you said but swift, mostly due to its specific wing design. Those old school true tailless deltas bleed energy in a turn worse than any other type of wing; even slightly more than the forward swept wings of so, so, many failed prototypes. Don’t get me wrong though. I love damn near all of Dassault’s aircraft, and their clearly evolving designs.
these mirage 2000 18 fighting fulcrum seem really excellent 🤣 no joke, thanks to have make a video about our old figther, now their is only a small number of them is still in service, more an more rafale are taking their place
As an Indian, Me and my countrymen very much know the importance of the mighty Mirage 2000 Not only it was the counter against pakistani F16s but also thrashed them in the mountain ranges after israely upgrades. The nuclear capable Mirage 2000s were also our nuclear deterrence against china.
To beat the F-16 is a rather bold statement. These are very capable and very equal aircraf in every parameter. This comes down to the ability of the pilot to overcome his opponent. Not to mention these two aircraft are simply beautiful to look at.
Please don't forget how the Israeli Air Force and SAAF used variants of Mirage in different conflicts. The impact they were unreal. Then came the Cheetah version of the Mirage 2000 , joint design of Israel and S.A. Deniel. India was not the first to use them.
If you've spoken to those who worked at General Dynamics when the f-16 was being conceived you will hear that the more ambitious engineers wanted a tail-less delta-winged aircraft with dual shock-cone intakes, much how the Mirage-2000 would take shape. However, it was fealt by more conservative members that they were already pushing the envelope with artificial stability and advanced fly-by-wire. Following the motto "Never try too many new things at once" they opted for a more conventional tail-plane layout. It is interesting that later General Dynamics would market a delta winged version of the f-16 with the added xl prefix.
@@puryanto5076 The delta dagger uses a classic delta winged design with natural aerodynamic stabilty. The classic delta has some severe drawbacks which is why Daussalt chose a conventional tail-plane design for the Mirage F1, the successor to the legendary delta-winged Mirage III. The mirage 2000 and the f-16XL (prototype) uses a compound-delta wing. In addition, aircraft such as these have their center-of-gravity well behind their center-of-lift making them inherently unstable in flight. Think of a hammer thrown with its handle facing forwards; it will want to rotate. Hence they need an advanced artificial stability computer to maintain control. This solves the major drawbacks of the classic delta-wing.
I remember seeing the Emirati Air Force flying airfield ops in the Mirage 2000 at Al Dhafra Air Base in Abu Dhabi back in like 2005. Super cool plane. Emirati pilots had a very good reputation amongst American pilots.
The movie Le Chevaliers du Ciel illustrates very well the capabilities of the Mirage. A good amount of footage is straight up real, out-of-combat aerobatics.
The Mirage and the F-16 are basically polar opposites in terms of aerodynamic maneuverability. The Mirage focuses on low speed instantaneous turning with its large vortex generating low aspect ratio delta wings while the F-16 is almost entirely focused on high speed sustained turns with its noticeably higher aspect ratio cropped delta tapered ish wing with horizontal tails instead of just a vertical tail like the Mirage.
The Delta wing can generate enormous amounts of lift but it comes at the expense of high drag that ultimately slows the aircraft down. In other words the delta wing gives excellent instantaneous turn rate but poor sustained turn rate. due to the deteriorating L/D ratio at high alpha. Fly by Wire, Vortex Generators, leading edge flaps all combined to almost eliminate these issues but not quite. Willy Messerschmidt criticized Walther Lippisch's flying wing and delta wing designs by saying that if you wanted lift by increasing pitch for a turn the elevons are providing downward force just as you want that lift. I think a little bit of thrust vectoring for pitch control and trim would finally eliminate the deltas disadvantages.
It's the fly-by-wire system of the Mirage that makes it special. It has nothing in common with its older Mirage 3 / 5 / 50 siblings and the delta configuration has huge ADVANTAGES like rigidity / durability. The FBW of the Mirage 2000 makes it more manouverable than both the F16 and F18 especially at higher altitude and it has the same approach speeds (landing) as the Mirage F1 !!
Yeah, focus more on quality. Having the wrong aircraft removes people like myself from your audience. That's unfortunate because I do truly enjoy your video's. I also find the "that can beat" a little pedestrian. The better pilot is a huge part of which aircraft would come out on top. Tactics are huge in this generation and weapons range/ability are similar.
@dmrevis, There were scenes of other aircraft besides the Mirage 2000's yes, but it is understandable that the French company (Dassault) would allow only very limited video and still photos of these remarkable and very capable fighter aircraft types. I was surprised that it was successful in the ground attack role, at extremely high altitudes in the mountains... This aircraft, is definitely a force to be reckoned with... I give this video Two Thumbs Up!!!👍👍
Check the videos by Growling Sidewinder. The Mirage 2000 is killer in a one-circle fight. But it bleeds energy in a turn like going out of style. So if the fight goes two-circle then F-16 dominates.
GS has a awesome channel he not only does some great dog fights he also tells some history on the aircraft’s and gets the new aircraft’s to try out before they become available to anyone else also check out Longshots channel.
While what you said is true, and while DCS is the best simulator available for everyone there is one thing it can't simulate : how difficult it is to sustain 7-9Gs for 5,6 or 8 minutes for the pilots. That's why when you look at "real" dogfight training, pilots do very agressive manouvers from the beginning, to win as fast as possible.
@@anubis5397 The tactics of air to air combat are NOT simple. But history shows that the airplane with a two-circle advantage (rate fight) usually comes out on top.
The fight usual doesn't go to a rate fight when GS is flying the Mirage because the fights are either rigged or he picks weak opponents to fly against. Do you ever wonder why his opponent often fails to fly his own aircraft to it advantages?
That was battle of Munto Dalo it was a turning point in Kargil victory. Air Marshall Nambiar and Wing Commander PJ Thakur remain unsung hero's. Hat's off to them. That our country remains safe.
Dude, could you at least try to show the right airplanes a few time during your video? It was loaded with F/A-18, F-15, different types of MiGs, Eurofighters, Tejas, etc. but not many Mirage 5. Seriously, you need to get someone that knows their planes a little before doing a video about planes.
I am very confused, the mirage 2000 is a mono tail. Every plane seen with two tails is not a mirage 2000. As far as I know, we french have not made any dual tail fighter...
When Denmark was looking for replacement aircraft, the F-16 and Viggen competed... The Viggen was better, it was the price tag put them off, but they would be getting more systems capability: Fast forward to the F-16 Viper and how much it has been loaded up to stay in the game with turtle decks and other changes. It still (especially after the canopy glass modification) was better that the Viggen in radar cross section. Looking at the Cranked Arrow Falcon... Somebody though what the French had done had merit. Note: The Mirage 2000 adopted the "wasp waist" of the F-106, this was a very important aspect of why the six was such a player in maneuverability.
The main problem with the Mirage 2000 is the lack of range of its the air to air MICA missiles. Is inferior compared with AIM120C and maybe even less of russian R77
Great video, but I don't understand the Hornet footage at 1:34 when you're talking about F-16s. Am I missing something, or is that an editing mistake? No biggie though, everyone goofs now and then. Enjoyed the video; I've never heard this story before. Edit: I typed the preceding before finishing the vid. There were lots more instances, so I'm guessing you had trouble finding enough Mirage 2000 footage?
Relax technology? Is that a massage chair for the pilot? Leading edge flaps to help in diving maneuvers? As usual, dumb errors in content caused by having no real understanding of the subject matter.
There's a fairly large private air force that flies these from Alliance airport in Fort Worth, Texas. They are usually flown to be adversaries during training exercises against the US Air Force. Perhaps you can contact them about some fresh video and remake this video. The Mirage 2000 is still an outstanding performer and making an updated video would be well worth it, in my opinion.
Okay, I realize it may be a chore to find 15 minutes worth of Mirage 2000 footage for a video, but..... 🤷🏽♂️
Exactly, newbies won't know which plane is the Mirage... No history of the evoluion from mirage III to Mirage 2000... Not Dark Skies best...
There is always some kind of fuckup in this guys stuff..
What do you mean, that was excellent footage of the Mirage 2000 Hornet.
@@Hypernefelos Well... I also saw some Mirage 21, some Mirage 27, and other types of Mirage...
Maybe they should have a cartoonist on staff.
This could be one of their worst videos yet for using file footage completely irrelevant to the subject being talked about. Hornets, Typroons, Fulcrums, Fishbeds, Floggers etc.
NO SHIT!!!!
The word around the campfire is that they do it intentionally to gin up lots of commentary for the algorithm.
That's why I downvote every video with blatant and obvious errors like that.
Perhaps that's why the French call it the 'Mirage'..because it has the ability to appear as things that it is not....like Hornets, Typhoons, Fulcrums, Fishbeds, Floggers...I thought exactly the same thing you did when I watched this ridiculous video. The damn Mirage is flown by about 25% of the world's air forces, for Pete's sake. Can't find enough footage?!!
Yeah, so confusing.
The only thing missing was the Spirit of St. Louis.
Watched this video about the Mirage 2000, and I still have no idea what a Mirage 2000 looks like😖
Look up Mirage 3. It looks the same.
As said, it's an airplane with wings. You should focus a little bit more.
@@jg3000 he can look for a Mirage2000. He will find pictures
It's hard because it can look like an F-18, MiG-29, or a Eurofighter Typhoon apparently...😂🤣😂🤣
Watch the the movie "Le Chaveliers du Ceil"
The mirage 2000 looks an awful lot like an f18
Yes there does seem to be a lot of odd footage where it's talking about the F16 but showing the FA/18 and a couple of random shots of the Eurofighter at times when it's talking about another plane at the time. Needs a bit more editing this one! 😁
A few times it was the Eurofighter *and Mig29
The footage of the Wright Brother's plane seemed out of place also.
That's why I hate this channel. Check out Rex's Hanger for quality. This place is trash.
Both the 2000 and f-18 are not great looking compared to the falcon
What a great transformer plane. Base on the clips from this video, it can transform from the Dassult Mirage, to the Mig-29 Fulcrum, to the F/A-18 Hornet, and to the Eurofighter Typhoon, then back again. This would surely confused the enemy. 😁
🤣🤣
Also equipped with aerial re-tooling with a dash of F-15 Eagle.
And mirage F1 and super étandard, at least those are french!
😂🤣😂🤣
It must be a Decepticon. So it's true, they're already here and hiding amongst us.
Indian Airforce’s Love and trust for Mirage is of different level, so much so that they used the Mirage again in 2019 for strike on Terrorist hide outs in Pakistan.
This trust was one of the key factor for Indians to choose Dassault’s Rafale over, Eurofighter Typhoon and F-18 again
Yep. Main thing no strong attached to plane or its parts. USA usually stops exporting parts once their see their interest is not served or they are ignored
India chose Rafale over EF Typhoon because it was made by a group of untrustworthy european countries + price
Great bird f 16 is more versatile!
I like how you trolled the noobs by showing footage of F-18s, Migs, & Sukhois, all while talking about the Mirage. That will really confuse people.
that's super realistic camo patterns to confuse the enemy aviators... 😉
it is hilarious how many people get upset and comment about it 😅
My uncle was a wing man of the leading mirage 2000 that struck the tangos on Tiger Hill in Kargil...he was flying the Mig 21
Never underestimate Dassault fighter jets. Long live India and Viva la France.
india 🧡france
I'm sorry, but the only reason the Mirage survived was due to the Pakistanis having outdated electronics in their aircraft. You can put a mediocre 4th Gen fighter against a great 3rd Gen and it will win. The Mirage is a cheap junky plane for third world countries. Not to be taken seriously by a first world power.
@@jacktheaviator4938 Sources ?
I mean greek pilote love the mirage 2000 and they clap the turkish f16 with them ...
I love Dassault delta winged fighters 😍🔥🔝🛩️🛩️🛩️💕🇫🇷
Mirage 3, Mirage 2000, Rafale
@jacktheaviator4938 Oh really? Israel and France used Mirage variants in their conflicts and with great success. Also, explain how the Mirage series was a great export success, despite being a “cheap junky plane” as you had claimed. In fact, the Mirage 2000 was not a cheap platform either compared to the F-16’s.
There are so many videos of Greek mirages. You could have used the official videos of the Hellenic Air Force. Some of them are great and show the abilities of this beautiful aircraft! Videos of the French Air Force are even better!
I REALLY enjoy your videos, especially looking at the iconic planes of the cold war. Occasionally footage doesn't match the topic and that makes it confusing - for example, talking in this video about hte Twin Engine Mirage, but showing footage of FA18, Eurofighter and Panavia Tornados. I understand that limited library footage may be available, but still image etc might be more appropriate. Keep up the great work
quantity over
quality.
Yeah, I kept thinking to myself (why am I looking at a Hornet??)
I just wrote a comment to the same effect. They do this in a number of videos and it is a bit disconcerting.
It's crap is what it is.
One of the most annoying aspects of videos like this. I know it has more to do with the availability of footage, but really... it would be better to put up a still image of the craft you're talking about.
Aviation fans are really irritated by this kind of presentation.
Hilarious!! Are they trolling us do you think? Random aircraft footage now of various types.. maybe the editor and narrator can’t preview each others work during production for kicks!? 😂
I'm sure the narrator would LOVE to see the final edit, but he's...y'know, blind.
@@kiwi_comanche I checked - I think that is not totally true: he is Austin Nebbia and he is not blind..
@@Yman83464z Sigh...google sarcasm.
@@kiwi_comanche so it’s all down to the editor then… oh and go lay your gilt trip on someone else.. the quality of these videos is shameful and it’s fair to comment on it… ok? Bye
I liked this comment at the beginning but by the end I could see that maybe they were showing aircraft flown by Indian and pakistan also, not sure where the tornado fits in tho.
So confused by all the shots of Hornets in this Mirage 2000 doc.
It's apparently done for the algorithms, to increase discussion in the comments which will put the video at the top of the list. The only way to counteract that is by downvoting the video, which I definitely did.
The M-2000 is not small. In fact, seeing it up-close it looks appreciably larger than an F-16. This does not have to do with the physical dimensions, which are similar for the two aircraft, but with the total volume and height of the airframe above ground, with gear down. With the delta wing and an engine significantly less powerful than that of the F-16, it is great for 1-2 instantaneous tight turns but then runs out of energy. More often than not, in real situations 1-2 turns is all it takes, however.
They aren't similar at all. The M2000 is almost 30% shorter 10% thinner and the only spec even close 4% height difference.
@@erikdouglas9952 About 15m and 14m in length and 10m and 9.1 in wingspan for the F-16 and M-2000 respectively, is hardly a 30% difference in dimensions. The difference is greater in empty weight (F-16 being quite a bit heavier). However, my point is just that the M-2000 is not the tiny fighter described. In fact, having seen the two up close and side-by-side, the M-2000 does look larger, probably because of the optically larger fuselage and greater ground clearance.
"Babe, it isn't small, its average" lol. But yes, you're right. Its barely a meter less in terms of length and even less in terms of wingspan
Taiwan recently did a 4 on 4 live exercise with F-2000's vs F-16V's. The results was the mirage won 4-1. It's seem that the mirage is a relevant 21st century exceptional fighter.
The only F16 killer
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In today’s lesson I learned a Mirage 2000 can be a Fulcrum and a Hornet!
Don't forget the flogger too
mirage
"an optical illusion caused by atmospheric conditions, especially the appearance of a sheet of water in a desert or on a hot road caused by the refraction of light from the sky by heated air."
I guess that explains why we saw so many other planes in this video. 🙂
I'm amazed at how many different types of Mirage 2000 were developed. I counted at least three twin-tail twin-engine versions and one single-tail twin-engine version. I thought the Mirage 2000s were all single-tail single-engine.
There were variants of Mirage Iii Iv and nothing to do with Mirage 2000
They all have delta wings though that is why you are confused
😂😂 you killed me 🎉 that was good joke as french THX you level of imagination we have 😂😂
@@SonuDR007 hi. the vid shows also Mirage F1, 2000 with F18 images etc etc 🎉
That's because the maker of this film doesn't know the difference between twin-engined F-18s and single engined Mirage 2000s or F-16s!
'One fighter rose to challenge'...and a MiG-29 pops up.
Then a Flogger.
Nice.
;)
Why some of the Mirages look more like F-18s? So the title "the plane that can beat an F-16" is more like unconfirmed if it really happened.
well, french planes with french pilots inside have that very obnoxious tendency to shoot down, in combat as much as in _roleplayin',_ those cheap american planes like F-16, F-15E, F/A-18 or even the elusive F-22 to the greatest dismay of the 'merican militards... 😹
there were some US pilots integrated in a french squadron near Nancy that were, all of them, raving about the Mirages 2000 they were flying with compared to what they flew before. them Pentagon Perfumed Princes weren't happy and told them in no uncertain terms to tone it way way down or else... 🤭
Because those are F-18s.
The Mirage 2000B looks a lot like an F-18 in some of the videos.
And sometimes like a MiG Fulcrum
optical illusions due to too much climate change in the editing room i'd say... 😏
And at one point the Mirage even morph into the Eurofigther.
Ummmm… many of the aircraft shown are USN Hornets ( or Super Hornets… I can’t tell the difference. )
I was about to say the same thing. It is rather odd.
All the footage on these channels are AI generated from my understanding
And something with canard. ?Rafale
@@WALTERBROADDUS It is normal for this guy, Accuracy means nothing.
@@flickingbollocks5542 eurofighter
0:46 oh yeah the MiG-2000 Flogger.
Every now and then you even showed Mirage 2000 in this video.
During it's live span, and still in service now there was never any doubt that the Mirage 2000 was a real threat to any aircraft, including the Mig-29. And yes it was and is certainly equal to the F-16.
You got to love this aircraft, formidable dogfighting capabilities as well as a very potent multi role platform.
An interceptor, and a platform to deliver anti shipping and nuclear payloads. Well followed up by the Rafale, even a little before it's Time..I saw them at many airshows and seeing them fly through the valleys of the Provence on low altitude runs. It will always have a special place for me..
It definitely isn't equal. The only thing the Mirage can do better is 1 circle fights. It can pull some AOA, but that also leaves it vulnerable to the way an F16 fights. First off the F16 is one of the best BVR fighters ever, there's no comparison here. In a merge the F16 would just take the Mirage to the deck and engage it in a rate fight. The F16 is the best rate fighter ever (besides 5th gen fighters). As long as the pilot was patient and fought his fight, he would win every time.
@@Damitsall the delta wing configuration actually allows the mirage to pull harder, it has been seen in Red Flag exercises that mirage have better authority than F-16s. And I'm not sure where you got the info that the F-16 is one of the best BVR aircraft when that role was given to the F-15 while the F-16 was designed as a close-in dogfighter at first. Sure it can BVR but it's definitely not the best plane at it, any gen 4.5+ plane is better suited for that.
@geekadeuzan I agree with you, that's what I said, the Mirage can pull more AOA (Angle Of Attack). There's a downside to that though, the Mirage has a ton of drag which makes it loose energy very quickly. That's why when you see dogfights with it and other delta wings (not as applicable to the newer ones) they often get into a "toilet bowl" or spiral down to the ground. They are cashing in altitude for energy. Which is exactly where the F16 wants it. Once the fight gets to the ground, it often becomes a 2 circle or rate fight, in which the F16 dominates pretty much everything.
The F16 was always designed with BVR in mind, but yes it was designed with dogfighting in mind first. Although personally I would agree with you that I like the F15 better, there is no denying the F16 is very competitive with it and a lot of pilots would argue its better.
@@Damitsalli think you’re a dcs player to tell that on the f-16 but anyway… a 2000-5 with MICA is probably equal to an f-16 with 120Cs
As I was in an airforce of a country that has mainly F16s but a few Mirage too, and having an adversary that has F16 I can pretty surely say the Mirage is better.If the pilots are equally skilled.I once saw a Mirage take off a dozen meters away from me, then at like 30 feet attitude seconds after leaving the ground ,pilot turned up at 120 degrees and went up while upside down!Craziest thing I ever saw and I never found a video of something similar.
Seriously? That's what you got out of this video? Or, are you just making a random comment?
@@SophieHound Are you expecting me to blindly follow the videos opinion?When I was in an airforce of F16s and Mirages that dogfights enemy F16s everyday?Did learn many things of its history though.
@@havocgr1976 Yeah, Just like the video, I got No idea what's going on in your comment havocgr. I understand you were in some kinda Airforce? What about the Mirages and F-16's? Who'd they get into dog fights with?
@@SophieHound Ah you wanted me to be more specific.Greek airforce, dogfights with Turkish airforce.
@@havocgr1976 Okay, Thank you for your service. The intent of my comment was, to point out the poor video quality. Not your country's lucky shot. So, my apologies...
PLEASE !PLEASE! PLEASE! Find someone who knows the difference between aircraft to edit the footage for a Mirage 2000 video Why T.F. is there so much footage of F18s!!!!! and typhoons....and Mig 23s. FFS.
that's what you get when you use some random Fivr cheapo to do the footage research and editing... 😸
most of the footage is f18 and mig 29 not mirage 2000, indeed it is well documented within the greek air force that a mirage could most of the times outgun and get an upper hand on the f16 in 90% of the cases
this channel repeatedly shows footage or the wrong fighters. Seeing lots of hornets here whilst talking about the Mirage
Fully agreed. And it didn't speak about the previous aircraft the Mirage III.
He got the clicks, that is all that matters.
This channel is just a hub of misinformation. Every video has completely wrong footage and completely false information.
They're not trying to make good content, just content that appeals to the algorithm so they can make money. People need to stop watching this drivel.
The b-roll is all over the place on this one
For me ... the mirage 2000 is the most beautiful military airplane ever made 🤩🤩🤩👍👍👍👌👌
How come some Mirage 2000's have single tails while others have double? :D
Because they are painted in an F-18 camo pattern.
That refueling probe though, God. All of that engineering to build that amazing aircraft and they couldn't design a retractable landing gear?
Who else thinks that this is better than watching Netflix or the History Channel?
Try mark felton
Include me in this group
Or was it..... Ancient Aliens. 👽
I'm in
well, here we get trans-Mirage 2000 with heavy make-up and upskirt shots too so, probably the same as any nexflit tripe... 😏
The entire intro showed every plane except the Mirage 2000.
The Mirage-2000 is such a nice looking aircraft.
I love this channel. But what others have said is completely correct. There’s so many clips of aircraft not relevant to the discussion at all it’s a bit ridiculous.
The Mirage 2000 has a beautiful design, is sleek and swift, and is packed with a lot of firepower.
It is everything you said but swift, mostly due to its specific wing design. Those old school true tailless deltas bleed energy in a turn worse than any other type of wing; even slightly more than the forward swept wings of so, so, many failed prototypes.
Don’t get me wrong though. I love damn near all of Dassault’s aircraft, and their clearly evolving designs.
these mirage 2000 18 fighting fulcrum seem really excellent 🤣
no joke, thanks to have make a video about our old figther, now their is only a small number of them is still in service, more an more rafale are taking their place
The Mirage 2000 was a formidable aircraft for its time.
India took a license to make Mirage 2000 ...
They didn't produce the aircraft in large numbers
As an Indian, Me and my countrymen very much know the importance of the mighty Mirage 2000
Not only it was the counter against pakistani F16s but also thrashed them in the mountain ranges after israely upgrades.
The nuclear capable Mirage 2000s were also our nuclear deterrence against china.
To beat the F-16 is a rather bold statement. These are very capable and very equal aircraf in every parameter. This comes down to the ability of the pilot to overcome his opponent. Not to mention these two aircraft are simply beautiful to look at.
I love how the establishing shot is a clip of a MIG-29
Why not call the channel, "Military Lore and Random Airplanes"
Please don't forget how the Israeli Air Force and SAAF used variants of Mirage in different conflicts. The impact they were unreal. Then came the Cheetah version of the Mirage 2000 , joint design of Israel and S.A. Deniel. India was not the first to use them.
If you've spoken to those who worked at General Dynamics when the f-16 was being conceived you will hear that the more ambitious engineers wanted a tail-less delta-winged aircraft with dual shock-cone intakes, much how the Mirage-2000 would take shape.
However, it was fealt by more conservative members that they were already pushing the envelope with artificial stability and advanced fly-by-wire. Following the motto "Never try too many new things at once" they opted for a more conventional tail-plane layout.
It is interesting that later General Dynamics would market a delta winged version of the f-16 with the added xl prefix.
Do you mea f102delta dagger
@@puryanto5076 The delta dagger uses a classic delta winged design with natural aerodynamic stabilty. The classic delta has some severe drawbacks which is why Daussalt chose a conventional tail-plane design for the Mirage F1, the successor to the legendary delta-winged Mirage III.
The mirage 2000 and the f-16XL (prototype) uses a compound-delta wing. In addition, aircraft such as these have their center-of-gravity well behind their center-of-lift making them inherently unstable in flight. Think of a hammer thrown with its handle facing forwards; it will want to rotate. Hence they need an advanced artificial stability computer to maintain control. This solves the major drawbacks of the classic delta-wing.
Just show still images of the aircraft, we don’t need video of MiGs and Hornets
Delta wing planes are beautiful, and the Mirage 2000 is one if not the most gorgeous of them.
"if it looks good it will fly beautifully" Dassault ( design philosophy, confirmed with those words) .
Mirage 2000 looks beautiful
I remember seeing the Emirati Air Force flying airfield ops in the Mirage 2000 at Al Dhafra Air Base in Abu Dhabi back in like 2005. Super cool plane. Emirati pilots had a very good reputation amongst American pilots.
The movie Le Chevaliers du Ciel illustrates very well the capabilities of the Mirage. A good amount of footage is straight up real, out-of-combat aerobatics.
do you have difficulties finding mirage 2000 footage ? coz lot of what you show are not mirage 2000 ..
That's why the french called dir Mirage, it can change its appearance to look like a Fulcrum, a Typhoon, or a drone if you like.
talking about mirages but keep showing f18"s
I saw jaguars and Mig 29s at the beginning. Then F 18s. 😂
jags are half french so it's a pass... 😋
The Mirage and the F-16 are basically polar opposites in terms of aerodynamic maneuverability. The Mirage focuses on low speed instantaneous turning with its large vortex generating low aspect ratio delta wings while the F-16 is almost entirely focused on high speed sustained turns with its noticeably higher aspect ratio cropped delta tapered ish wing with horizontal tails instead of just a vertical tail like the Mirage.
The Delta wing can generate enormous amounts of lift but it comes at the expense of high drag that ultimately slows the aircraft down. In other words the delta wing gives excellent instantaneous turn rate but poor sustained turn rate. due to the deteriorating L/D ratio at high alpha. Fly by Wire, Vortex Generators, leading edge flaps all combined to almost eliminate these issues but not quite. Willy Messerschmidt criticized Walther Lippisch's flying wing and delta wing designs by saying that if you wanted lift by increasing pitch for a turn the elevons are providing downward force just as you want that lift. I think a little bit of thrust vectoring for pitch control and trim would finally eliminate the deltas disadvantages.
dude you could atleast reuse the same footage rather than all these other aircraft
Curious why the video is heavily sprinkled with sequences of F-15s and F-18s.
they just forgot to add a canard to it ;)
This video has so much wrong footage it just loses all credibility.
This channel really has no credibility to lose.
Why every image before 1:27 is either from a Mig-29 and a Mig-27? Makes the video really confusing.
It's the fly-by-wire system of the Mirage that makes it special. It has nothing in common with its older Mirage 3 / 5 / 50 siblings and the delta configuration has huge ADVANTAGES like rigidity / durability. The FBW of the Mirage 2000 makes it more manouverable than both the F16 and F18 especially at higher altitude and it has the same approach speeds (landing) as the Mirage F1 !!
This is proof that it is the pilot and training that makes the biggest difference, as long as the involved aircraft are all competent.
You forgot to show how IAF used Mirages in balakot strikes using Spice Laser guided bombs
OMFG THIS IS SO INACCURATE AND BADLY MADE!
They’ve straight up made stuff up that’s not only untrue but stupid!
That is ops normal for this channel.
a legendary story no doubt...go india!!!
Hello mr abhi nandan 😂😂😂
Yeah, focus more on quality. Having the wrong aircraft removes people like myself from your audience. That's unfortunate because I do truly enjoy your video's. I also find the "that can beat" a little pedestrian. The better pilot is a huge part of which aircraft would come out on top. Tactics are huge in this generation and weapons range/ability are similar.
The F-16 is far more apt to beat itself than fall victim to a Surrender Falcon.
@dmrevis, There were scenes of other aircraft besides the Mirage 2000's yes, but it is understandable that the French company (Dassault) would allow only very limited video and still photos of these remarkable and very capable fighter aircraft types. I was surprised that it was successful in the ground attack role, at extremely high altitudes in the mountains... This aircraft, is definitely a force to be reckoned with... I give this video Two Thumbs Up!!!👍👍
The F-16 is the best 4th generation fighter ever produced!
Check the videos by Growling Sidewinder. The Mirage 2000 is killer in a one-circle fight. But it bleeds energy in a turn like going out of style. So if the fight goes two-circle then F-16 dominates.
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GS has a awesome channel he not only does some great dog fights he also tells some history on the aircraft’s and gets the new aircraft’s to try out before they become available to anyone else also check out Longshots channel.
While what you said is true, and while DCS is the best simulator available for everyone there is one thing it can't simulate : how difficult it is to sustain 7-9Gs for 5,6 or 8 minutes for the pilots.
That's why when you look at "real" dogfight training, pilots do very agressive manouvers from the beginning, to win as fast as possible.
@@anubis5397 The tactics of air to air combat are NOT simple. But history shows that the airplane with a two-circle advantage (rate fight) usually comes out on top.
The fight usual doesn't go to a rate fight when GS is flying the Mirage because the fights are either rigged or he picks weak opponents to fly against. Do you ever wonder why his opponent often fails to fly his own aircraft to it advantages?
If you're going to talk about airplanes you should show the actual planes you are talking about. It would help with the confusion.
That was battle of Munto Dalo it was a turning point in Kargil victory. Air Marshall Nambiar and Wing Commander PJ Thakur remain unsung hero's. Hat's off to them. That our country remains safe.
If you can't be bothered to find footage of Mirage 2000, you might as well put footage of cats on Roombas
Wow it took more than a minute to show a Mirage 2000 in a video about it. Even then I think there’s more F/A-18 footage
It isn't the plane that was better. It was the pilots training and experience. Period.
Dude, could you at least try to show the right airplanes a few time during your video? It was loaded with F/A-18, F-15, different types of MiGs, Eurofighters, Tejas, etc. but not many Mirage 5. Seriously, you need to get someone that knows their planes a little before doing a video about planes.
With all the misinformation in the visuals I have to doubt the narrative too.
You should. Inaccuracy and hype are the trademark of this channel.
Such an awesome short range fighter, I’m so happy these dudes are allies!
Look mum, a Dassault Fulcrum 2000
May have been mentioned - there's a great 2005 French movie called Sky Fighters centred on the Mirage 2000.
I am very confused, the mirage 2000 is a mono tail. Every plane seen with two tails is not a mirage 2000. As far as I know, we french have not made any dual tail fighter...
Hornets dominating a video about the Mirage, enjoyable none the less!😁
Take a drink every time a plane gets mislabeled.
When Denmark was looking for replacement aircraft, the F-16 and Viggen competed... The Viggen was better, it was the price tag put them off, but they would be getting more systems capability: Fast forward to the F-16 Viper and how much it has been loaded up to stay in the game with turtle decks and other changes. It still (especially after the canopy glass modification) was better that the Viggen in radar cross section.
Looking at the Cranked Arrow Falcon... Somebody though what the French had done had merit.
Note: The Mirage 2000 adopted the "wasp waist" of the F-106, this was a very important aspect of why the six was such a player in maneuverability.
Dark Skies next video will be the English Electric Lightning, but will be using stock footage of the Mig21
The main problem with the Mirage 2000 is the lack of range of its the air to air MICA missiles. Is inferior compared with AIM120C and maybe even less of russian R77
Bruh surely there are enough Mirage footage to show in the background. He really used anything but the M2K lol
I love most of the Mirage variants:
Mirage 29, Mirage Hornet, Tornage, Miragaele, Mirage F-1 × 2000
Such a beautiful aircraft! Really too bad you can't get your hands on more footage of it. Good info though.
Great video, but I don't understand the Hornet footage at 1:34 when you're talking about F-16s. Am I missing something, or is that an editing mistake? No biggie though, everyone goofs now and then. Enjoyed the video; I've never heard this story before. Edit: I typed the preceding before finishing the vid. There were lots more instances, so I'm guessing you had trouble finding enough Mirage 2000 footage?
This guy always fucks up with his footage..
I could have sworn I saw a hornet. My eyes must be playing tricks on me, it's a mirage.
“These are not the mirages you’re looking for”
Considering it was never mentioned in this video, the F/A-18 appears a hell of a lot...
Greece has few of them still i active duty but change them for the newer Dasult RFL
They are Mirages, they make you believe you are seeing hornets and typhoons but in reality it is a Mirage.
Now we're on the Indian and Pakistani air combat history, the next Dark Skies video could be about the F86 Sabre Slayer, the British Folland Gnat.
Gnat a Sabre slayer? Really?
Relax technology? Is that a massage chair for the pilot? Leading edge flaps to help in diving maneuvers? As usual, dumb errors in content caused by having no real understanding of the subject matter.
That Sidewinder IR anti mountain missile was a gamechanger.
New drinking game...take a shot everytime they say "Mirage 2000" but show an F18 hornet! Only the best will make it past the 5 minute mark!
There's a fairly large private air force that flies these from Alliance airport in Fort Worth, Texas. They are usually flown to be adversaries during training exercises against the US Air Force. Perhaps you can contact them about some fresh video and remake this video. The Mirage 2000 is still an outstanding performer and making an updated video would be well worth it, in my opinion.