Remember that even as a child Powder is already attempting to craft nail bombs that even if they didn’t kill would almost assuredly maim someone, while she’s still just a kid and likes hanging out with her friends and sister her short past is already filled with the violence that took her parents, it’s not a stretch to see how she has no reservations for taking lives.
She also grows up in an area thats arguably worse than peak Detroit or modern day Chicago. Like... theres only so much good nature can provide before the environment finishes warping it.
It helps that most of the people she’s killed (at least as far as I’ve seen) are Enforcers, and they already killed her parents. Not particularly surprising that she’d kill the government jackboots responsible for making her life Hell.
The word Woolie was trying to avoid was “damaged.” There’s fun damaged and psycho damaged, but no matter how fun she is, she always goes to psycho damaged eventually.
You know, when I left the house today I was thinking "Damn, I really hope some hot chick paints my brains all over the fucking hallway". And here we are.
@@charleswisconsin9196 ruclips.net/video/-sMQpWCNTQw/видео.html First time hearing the clip as pure audio, it took me a whole minute to realize that it wasn't a legit Bebop clip or an outtake.
I *REALLY* dont think these character will end up being their League counterparts. Arcane Jinx is nothing like the wacky woohoo marketing girl she is in League
Yeah Vi being a cop in the game seems really weird considering how she is in Arcane. But who knows, maybe they'll pull ol reliable "change it from the inside" or something.
We've only seen Arcane Jinx in the middle of a stressful and emotionally intense part of her life, and she's only fully Jinx by the end of Season 1. I think after a few years when she's at the point where she's running from Vi and Caitlyn doing hijinks she'll be having a lot more fun.
@@pyropoyo Yeah, she might end up being a cop, but for reasons like "I'll make sure the people from Zaun are treated fairly" and shit. Not her bullshit ingame design were she boasts about how much she loves police brutality and how much of a badass she is for abusing her authority. Expecially when the cops fucking KILLED her parents.
I actually don't get a lot of "LOL I'm so random" energy from Arcanes Jinx. I think alot of that has to do with self awareness and a bit of nuance of when she has her moments. Like this Jinx seems to be aware that people thinks she's crazy and plays it up to a certain extent. And I think that self-awareness makes all the difference in a character whose premise is being a but unhinged.
That sounds like Majima from Yakuza in that case. Not a bad thing cause I love Majima. Happy Chaos from Guilty Gear is another favorite of mine, allthough his philosophy is interesting/compelling in a different way from Majima (for me personally).
This is like when Woolie was playing FE, got set in a tropes bit, and refused to grow further. Whole conversation was pretty cringe, not gonna lie. Luckily he actually finished the show and saw that Jinx in Arcane doesn't fit those archetypes well, but he's kinda trying to have it both ways cause he can never be wrong.
So the funny thing about League not being canon to itself is that somehow despite all the crazy crossovers, Fortnite is canon to itself. The DC comic tie in goes into explaining how the island, the storm, the matches, and people running around in skins works and it all makes sense somehow. They somehow figured out how to make it work.
And the crossovers with both DC and Marvel are actually super well written. That Batman comic had a super good storyline. Way better than it had any right to be.
fortnite is truly an enigma. like it's boring like every other battle royal but they put genuine effort into things that they really didn't need to like giving a spiderman costume legit web swinging mechanics when most of the map is open wilderness.
@@xsoultillerx I actually have genuine fun when I jump in to grab cosmetics that look cool (that Marvel Galactus event last year was really fun and had some great comic pulls like Red She-Hulk), and it always shocks me. Like at its core it's got good features and tight controls and you dont even have to build to win. Hell, they even perfectly recreated Crazy Taxi at one point with similar music. I think it's just the massive mainstream oversaturation and community that makes it near unbearable.
If there was anything Jinx reminded me of it was Tiny Tina. Her manic episodes had some Anthony Burch-esque energy to it though I do not think it was quite that bad. It never bothered me at least. And instead of the Pitchford stank permeating Arcane it has the Riot stank. Which is worse on an ethical level but at least isnt intolerable to consume.
@@RockyRockthrow it just reminded me of Borderlands 2's writing, which he wrote, is all. Very fast paced, all over the place, felt like it was trying a little too hard, but I liked it more in Arcane than in BL2.
burch actually wrote a comic with jinx and ziggs for riot a while back and it was fucking terrible. not only did he turn the lolsorandum on jinx up to 12 but he wholesale ripped off the concept of glamours from the Fables comic and slapped them on yordles. like he didn't even bother to change the color.
Honestly, I want Woolie's take after he finishes the season, because Jinx isn't Harley Quinn. Harley Quinn can and often is redeemed. Jinx is the full-ass We-live-in-a-society, All-it-takes-is-one-bad-day JOKER by episode 9.
I hate how so many of Harley Quinns incarnations are displayed as redeemable. Yes she is crazy and was manipulated/abused etc. But she still murders massive amounts of people alongside or for the Joker. The amount of bending the DC universe does to justify her redeemability is surpassed only by how bullshit Batmans character has become
Only thing I knew about Vi was that she was in lesbians with Caitlyn and that Jinx liked to bomb Piltover which was where Heimerdinger, Singed, Jace, Viktor and Ekko live(d) at some point.
Actually the reason the League became non-canon is even dumber. Ages ago, before Aurelion Sol came out, Riot looked at their lore and realized how much of a disconnected mess it was. Constantly dangled threads they weren't moving (after discontinuing their fun lore magazine thing they'd periodically release because reasons), new characters prompting interesting questions, etc. Seeing that they had "no way to progress the lore" and that "Summoners and the League existing were too OP to make interesting story arcs with our characters because they'd just end everything", they decided to just torch the League and all the backstory they had and start over. And so League became non-canon to itself and Riot STARTED the 6+ year long process of rewriting all their lore on the fly bit by bit, which has totally been a smooth, well planned, well executed ride that's definitely solved all the issues they were having. For suresies. (Also there was a bit about how their plans for new character backgrounds couldn't be interesting because inevitably they'd have to end up in the League and explaining how or why they'd get involved with it was too stifling. I had a lot of fun mocking that, whenever a new champ would come out or an old one would be reworked I'd come up with a way to have inserted them practically as-is into the old canon, as well as arcs they could have within that canon.)
OG League lore is just "Mortal Kombat, but every faction has a Shao Kahn that also participates to fight for their country/faction." I dont see whats so wrong or bad about that since if the rune wars were as awful and terrible as the characters who lived in it like Heimer said it was, that would give a good reason to have the League formed in the first place.
@@leithaziz2716 a JRPG thats like 20 or so hours and is only really focused on the narrative and character' story its trying to tell and then gets out of your way before it wears out its welcome. A LOT of JRPGs are like 40 to 100 hours and really maybe have like a thirds worth of that runtime worth of story and the rest is either grinding for levels or sidequests that arent that interesting anyway. Ruined King doesnt really have any of that and is just fun all the way through.
I could not agree less with Woolies take here. Nothing about Jinx stays fun. The "fun psycho damaged crazy lol so random" thing is an act she puts on. You see it fall off her face IN THE SCENE WHERE JINX IS INTRODUCED. Comparing her to modern Harley Quinn is a huge miss on her character (in arcane)
You're right, it's not "modern sensibility", it's basic taste in character design. The OG designs for Jinx and Cathleen are absolutley hideous and were totally drawn by former Blizzard people in the worst possible meaning of that term. I mean seriously, what the fuck is up with that *hat?* God, i'm glad steampunk is dead.
Sooo no disrespect to Woolie or PunchMom but...did we watch the same show? Arcane Jinx is nothing like modern Harley other than the surface level attitude, Lol Jinx sure but Arcane? No way. There are actually a couple of videos specifically going into how Arcane Jinx compares to Harley and "Hot topic" Harley loses BAD. I wont type a whole essay but the easy stuff is this; Jinx is broken, not performatively, not just for gags, down to her core. Fighting the FireLights on the air ship and the bridge massacre, shes not joking, giggling or dancing around, she kills them almost calmly, quietly, mercilessly. Then she has triggers of her past trauma that send her into complete shutdown, curling up into a ball or reverting to a childlike attitude that Silco has to pull her back out from. Shes constantly tortured by voices and hallucinations that whisper hateful things into her ear and eat at her self worth. I wont lie and say shes not at ALL fun and quirky, but it feels more earned; like this is the side effect of a little girl who never got a chance at normality, grew up with a father figure who nurtured all the worst parts of her and so never grew up at all. Theres at least a line you can follow that leads her to who she is now, not quite" LOL SO RANDOM" like Woolie makes it out to be. Anyway maybe Woolie will change his tune when he watches the last 2 episodes of the show, again no disrespect or offence here I just feel like saying this is 1 to 1 with modern Harley kinda does a disservice to how good Arcane Jinx is (and this is coming from someone who is a fan of harley BTW, just not the modern one)
Yeah problem... The LoL devs literally said they based Jinx off Joker. You can see that logic in her original music video that made the character super fucking popular. So even saying she's Harley instead of Joker is stupid in general. Harley is crazy but not Joker crazy. He is WAY more. Though in general it's clear this Jinx and game Jinx ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Comic books vs show/movie canons.
Fun fact about self-discard decks, for those who don't know: the archetype is commonly referred to as "Madness," named after a keyword used on certain cards from Magic: The Gathering.
I'm curious as to what Woolie thinks happened in the fight in episode 7. Because there's some people who's interpretation is somewhat distorted by the idea of Ekko's time powers from the game, when in fact he doesn't have any of that as of the show. In fact, the way that fight is done in the show is SIGNIFICANTLY more characterful and clever than if it was just straight up 'time powers'.
I really wish someone was around to tell them the full backstory on Singed and how his dark character is completely dissonant to his play wacky playstyle. And a quick explanation of the difference between Old League Lore and New Runeterra Lore
It’s so hard to take Singed seriously in Arcane when you know this man runs around with a big dumb bottle of poison strapped to his back for no reason.
That dissonance I like actually. Imagining an insane evil man BY HIS OWN HANDS AND MOVEMENTS committing all these evil acts. His gameplay is wacky but then you also have WHAT THE GAMEPLAY FELT LIKE. DON'T PURSUE SINGED. YOU WILL DIE! NO OTHER CONCLUSION! YOUR DEAD IF YOU TRY AND FIGHT HIM! He runs around causing chaos and poisoning you to death. His gameplay perfectly complements his lore.
@@RavenCloak13 His gameplay fits, but the man still desperately needs a visual rework of some kind. The red-and-yellow armor doesn't suit Zaun's aesthetic at all, and again, the giant potion is just absurd. Maybe you could give Singed some kind of machine on his back that spouts poison, or perhaps a canister like the kind Silco used to threaten the Chembaron council. Replace the random bottle in his hand with a vile of Shimmer. Update the guy's animations. You can overhaul the design without needing to change the gameplay to much, as we've seen with the likes of Karthus and Caitlyn.
I played through the Runeterra story thing, and the VI part with Jinx is weird as hell. Like. Jinx is out just straight murdering people, and blowing up buildings, and Vi the (I guess?) cop is just like, "ohh, look at what a mess you made lol". I wasn't expecting some amazing story, but this shit is what people are going off about with that Arcane thing? Jesus christ it read like a 5 year old wrote it.
Nah, LoR's story mode is sort of like a parody of the original source material. Jinx and Vi are at each other's throats post-arcane and in the main story, Vi would never actually tolerate that, but in LoR they've got to be cards in the same deck, so it's whatever.
Maybe the writing didnt do enough for woolie to convince him jinx could change that drastically. I mean, its not like she lost her parents, or was raised to embrace violence, or killed the ones she loved as a child, received the most warped parenting from a psychopath who WANTED her to murder. All in all when you killed your friends, father and get abandoned in that moment, prob becomes a lot easier to take the lives of people you DONT give a shit about
Jinx is so good in Arcane because, yeah she’s a super model because marketing but they didn’t do that performative axe crazy thing everyone copied from Joker and Harley without context. Like, sometimes she’ll just stare at you with a neutral affect and it’s disturbing. She’s not trying to be funny for no reason. That’s what actual people that are comfortable with violence with do. You also get the impression that if she wasn’t third in command to a crime boss she actually would be totally nonfunctional.
funny about that - she actually never was a supermodel. If you look at her in-game portrait, she is actually super flat-chested, lanky, has a goofy smile and kind of looks like a crack addict. When she was first released, she was considered an unconventional body type in a game full of busty fantasy women. Her Arcane variant not only makes her a little more attractive, but normalizes her body type slightly
@@frustratedsquirrel "super flat-chested, lanky, has a goofy smile and kind of looks like a crack addict." Bruh, That's actually a pretty accurate description of a real supermodel.
It is surreal as a (former) LoL player to hear these two describe characters I know and love from the perspective of "Never seen them" and "I played the Card Game first primarily." Jinx, the gun-toting, Electropunk singing, RHINOCEROS VANDALIZING little ball of chaos being described as a "Discard Deck Character" is absolutely hilarious. Seriously though, if anyone hasn't seen it, look up the music video for Jinx when she was released on League. It is absolutely everything you could ever want for understanding what she's all about.
I hate how this type of character was so fucking ruined by League's Jinx and Modern Harley that people cant appreciate how Arcane does the character correctly.
I think it's unfair to call Jinx in Arcane a Harley Quinn type of character, she was in League sure, but she moved past that. Those just banalize mental illness as a quirky thing and excuse their actions because they are always "manipulated victims", Jinx wilfully kills people, and it shows how brutal she can be and her illness is not something "funny" she is constantly haunted by hallucinations and panic attacks.
Thing is it was only surface level Harley. Remember, Harley is completely tied to The Joker. Jinx doesn't have a manipulative person in her life like Harley that made her fall cause of her fascination with an insane element. Like you stated she did it herself even if she has mental problems with it. Hell, Jinx was originally in the game a fusion of Harley and Joker instead of just a ripoff Harley. We just say Harley because both are girls. EDIT: It has come to my attention that no, Jinx was literally just there version of Joker so even saying Harley at all is completely wrong and the only thing she has in common with Harley is both are girls that people love as characters.
... have you actually read or seen anything Harley Quinn related in the past two decades or so? Jinx is 100% just Harley. Harley willfully kills people and her mental illness (being Joker's beaten housewife) is her achilles heel.
being fair it's not like harley was ever interesting beyond being the "female joker henchman" in BTAS. her current schtick is just deadpool with girl power.
I will say, it's weird to complain that Jinx is another "mentally ill hearing voices character"...cause I'm mentally ill myself and I have auditory visual hallucinations a lot. It's like complaining they made a blind character who can't see...like yeah that's what that means. Gonna be honest, I've been seeing critics recently criticizing mentally ill characters for feeling too "tropey" but that's kind of what an illness is, it usually results in similar symptoms, and outliers are just that, outliers, they're not the norm.
@@shadowreaverrising1753 I get you, that's normal, what I'm referring to is overhearing a relative on the telephone, then realizing they are watching TV and not on the phone, and the entire conversation you are hearing is in your head. Cause that has happened to me, it's kinda scary.
I don't think they're tying to make crazy be appealing with Jinx. Sure, she looks cool and all, but I don't think anyone wants to deal with what's going on in her head. The "crazy kooky Harley Quinn stuff" is something she only does around people she doesn't trust or wants to keep her distance from. When she's talking to Silco or Vi she's more open and honest, anyone else gets the unpredictable unstable girl who sets traps and bombs. Also I'm real curious what Woolie thinks about Mel's mom.
In my viewing experience "Is Singed in the Show?" can literally only be answered to a 100% certainty if you have subtitles on, that one was a hilarious because it only happens once and the rest is just [Man] for denoting him speaking. If I didn't see that, I'd still be going "Ok this is a bad science man, but not Viktor cause that's the other guy...but it may or may not be Singed" by the end of episode 9
Can we end the era of people's insanity being portrayed as massive headaches. Like I'm over cloud remembering something And then going like "aaaaahhhh" from a headache.
The irony if this popping up on my feed since I missed the podcast and having a conversation with friends about how I don't like the trope. Atleast they nailed Powder's descent into Jinx phenomenally.
Theres a massive disconnect between league gameplay and league lore, hence why Singed, who has 5 lines and runs around with a big giant poison bottle on his back, is in lore literally a war criminal who has murdered millions with mustard gas, and Jax, a dude with a lantern for a weapon, is creating a team to stop the apocolypse and comes from an ancient civilization that just so happens to fight with lamps.
i don't know about LoL outside of porn but if you're going to like any of MHA's villains why toga? she's arguably the blandest & most basic one out of that band of deviantart OCs.
@@xsoultillerx I know ya didn't ask me, but considering you called them "that band of deviantart OCs" I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you're not too charitable towards the league of villains to begin with lmao. I like her a lot because characters with abnormal psychologies interest me, not to mention the fact that her backstory/character motivations resonate with a lot of people who have been through similar stuff (minus the murder, of course) as a result of societies who ostracize them for their...well, quirks. Toga didn't HAVE to end up as a psycho serial killer, she's the result of a world that forced her into repression.
As someone who is not a League fan I was very thrown off when Pat suddenly demanded to know why we haven't seen any "tops" yet in Arcane. I thought there were plenty in the show so far...
If I remember right the lore USED to be that the Rift was where nations came to settle disputes in place of all out war because the world got so shit-fucked from all the crazy powerful magic every nation was using whenever they went to war, to the point it was tearing the planet apart.
Hamlet is my favorite Harley Quin type. Haunted by the literal voices of the past, pretends to be quirky insane while still being genuinely mentally unstable, and has a habit of making self destructive choices with drastic consequences to the people around them. Am I describing Hamlet or Jinx? Oh its both. But since Jinx is hot and liked by teens, I guess they're insufferable hot topic bait while the Hamlets a boring literary classic that's taught in English class. Maybe it's the blue hair.
I think there's more to Jinx's characteristics that tend to cause people to put her in the LOL so Random group that youre glossing over. She plays up her chaotic nature in a near theatrical way, often very expressive emotes and stranger quotes in the game, has a lot of her character styled after modern crazy/cute artstyles. This is somebody who mains Jinx and loves what Arcane did with her characterization by the way. English lit is sadly too often unappreciated but Jinx looked like she's ripped from some modern edgy anime interpretation of Alice in Wonderland for the past 8 years.
The reason League dropped that whole lore they had going on was because it was becoming unmanageable if they wanted to expand their cast. The original idea was that instead of waging wars for basic bitch shit like "who owns a river" countries would have 5 summoner wizards each in a war room, to basically "play a game of League" for us. The League of Legends referred to that entire political process of dealing with those petty political fights, with strong individuals joining the League to serve as pawns. (quite literally as a side hustle) The summoners would then each remote control one of those "champions" and fight it out in a classic 5v5 League game, winner country wins whatever's debated. But then they started adding champions that were very cleary not in it for the same reasons, like Fiddlesticks or Warwick, basically some were captured to be in it or whatever, and then they realized that while they were trying their utmost to grow the lore on the side (in a nice way btw), the League concept itself was holding them down. What's the point of creating an entire mythos and world map if all the cool characters that would make you care about it can't join the League? When the League forces you to just have human beings and "captured mystical beings", does it make sense? Doesn't it stifle your creativity? So they said fuck it, quite literally threw the chest board off the table, and restarted their lore in more details and with bigger perspectives. It took them a bit before they found what they were doing tho since a lot of what was created during that 1-3 years era technically isn't canon anymore too, and since 2016-17 onwards it's just a very slow worldbuilding and lead-up that explores their mythos and their actual world, slowly leading to a big apocalyptic-sized event that has yet to fucking happen and now they added another one and fuck man I've been waiting. That transition was quite jarring for some characters, a bunch of which got completely changed to fit in there. Jinx for instance had like 4 different iterations before arcane. A character named Jax historically fought with a lamp post because he was 100% the strongest weapons guy on Earth nobody even in the fucking League could touch him if he had a real weapon. Dude got purple skin, three fingers on each hand, and still fucked anyone who would try to defy him. Now he's the last survivor of a warring nation that got annihilated by a precursor/manmade event related to the apocalypse I mentionned earlier. That lamp post is the only thing that remains of his city now. Etc etc Hell Ekko had a short story about him before the League I couldn't bear to re-read due how emotional it'd get, and it's not canon anymore.
Nah, I'm pretty sure Ekko's story is still canon. There's still a mural, and one of the cards in Legends of Runeterra (Sumpsnipe Scavenger) appears to be the kid from his comic/intro cinematic. I guess it's debatable just how canon the cards are, but I'm betting they'll be more so than LoL currently is. Whatever the case, it's entirely feasible for that story to take place sometime after Ekko gets his Z-drive working. Unless there's another story you're talking about that I missed.
did anybody ever caught woolie singing the intro song misery... does anybody have it captured on video... it does not matter if woolie was singing it in his shower... it's for... documentation... for a friend... that work for canal vie...
I know I'm really asking for trouble by saying this, but I can't resist. I haven't watched Arcane, so my opinion is barely even relevant, but a lot of people who compare Toga to Harley Quinn are really smoothing over a lot of her character. The point to Toga's mental instability is that, because she has a blood-related Quirk, it gives her a fascination with blood from childhood that creeps other people out. Her own parents call her creepy, and instead of getting her counseling, they tell her to "act normal." The result is that she manages to just bottle up every emotion and desire that people will reject and play the part of a cheerful, dependable, "normal" girl until around middle school or high school, when she finally snaps and attacks someone. She's not "lol so random"; some of her facial expressions are downright horrifying, and there are scenes later in the manga when she tries to reach out to someone, and - not knowing how to ask for help - she forces them away, and it's only after she runs that the other person realizes that she was trying to find someone she could turn to. She's a product of a culture that foists responsibility to help people in need onto others, and her current state would have been completely preventable, but it tragically wasn't because the people she should have been able to depend on the most rejected her for not meeting their expectations of what's normal and good. And the reason that people like her is usually that those people are misfits too; not for the same reasons or to the same extent, but they're often people who aren't "normal" and are either shoved aside or pressed to conform to other people's expectations of how to not only act, but think and feel. Not to mention that a lot of people like the yandere archetype because, for better and for worse, there's a certain sincerity to their emotions that's inimitable. There's an element of hiding nothing and wearing their hearts on their sleeves with regards to how they feel, and on a level, people find something in that they admire because they can't have that kind of brutal, uncompromising honesty to their own identity. I'm kind of spitballing at this point, but I just wanted to say my piece. Sorry to write a thesis on the subject.
Even when I was at that age where characters like Jinx, Harly, or Toga was supposed to appeal to my teenager hormone driven horndog brain, I was always put off and even sometimes viscerally disturbed by such behaviors in fictional and real life people. Different strokes indeed.
If you know how to play her, Vi is any position except Ranged Physical Carry. Her ability to ambush and the AoE AA reset gives her a Jungle Bias, but she can hold solo lanes reasonably well pre-six, and intimidate the other laner 6+. Her roam / missing is scary as fuck too. As a support, she's not the best, but she can definitely set-up an aggressive laning position with the right partner, and off-tank pretty well.
@@Taliesin_ Unless something has drastically changed in the year or two since I last played, not if the player understands the lane assignment well enough. She has a dash that will clump minions and interrupt champions, can store 2 AA reset that quickly recharges if you prioritize it (and it should always be the prio) and has an ult with a massive dash that can not be interrupted, displaces champs moved through and stuns the target, if she gets hard flanked. Her passive was also temporary hp on champion hits IIRC. She has all the tools and mobility and tankiness to hold the lane, clear the lane and push the lane against most traditional picks through the mid-game. Builds might be a little messed up depending on who she's laning against, but Tiamat/Hydra and/or BotRK and she has all the offense and clear she needs. The rest is up to individual skill, team synergy and how often she's enabled to bully other lanes or separate champions from the pack. She pairs very well with units like Gragas, Thresh, Blitz, Leona etc, for that reason. Either making hooks easier, or knocking units further away after a hook / knockback lands, and completely stripping armor with her other passive, especially if she got the opportunity to build aggressive and has a Black Cleaver. She might not be a SSS-tier top pick, but she should be more than capable of getting the job done quite well. And is also a good swerve if the opposing side thinks she is going jungle and picks based on that assumption, allowing your jungler to counterpick their's.
Nothing about Jinx in Arcane has made me cringe, because most of the time I’m just thinking, “Yeah, she’s acting about how I’d expect for someone who’s gone through what she has.”
Mel's a top? Maybe (definitely compared to Jayce) But her mum Ambessa definitely is... we're talking about the same thing right? (I don't play moba's let alone league of legends)
@@shadowreaverrising1753 arkham harley is just old harley done poorly and with more latex. New 52 harley is night and day to end of 52-rebirth harley. Jinx is way more tank girl-general manic pixy girl inspired than harley Quinn inspired. I'd genuinely say there's more joker than harley.
I haven't really looked at league since Yasuo was released in the game (leaving had nothing to do with him that's just my landmark of "When i uninstalled") but the fact that LoL is no longer canon is kinda wacky like, I GET it, you're trying to spin this into a whole world and the logic needed to tie it to this bizarre game of sending celebrities down lanes hundreds of times a day and explaining why Demacia and Noxus heroes that would love to turn each other into a stain are now fighting to protect each other, that's a tall order. Still kinda bites that it's just all *gone* technically but oh well.
What is Harley but a female joker. The only difference between her and current Harley is that Jinx isn't in a relationship with an equally insane person.
@@TheSpiritus0 Harley was the abuse victim of Joker who tags along because of her fascination with Joker that she willingly abandoned everything for him when working at Arkham. Joker meanwhile is a chaotic force of human nature taken to the extreme. Joker describes Jinx way more with the original concept of what they wanted for Jinx as a character in the game.
@@RavenCloak13 that's what I'm saying. The relationship is the only difference. Take that away like they do for current Harley and she's just female joker who does random chaotic things in the same way.
@@TheSpiritus0 No, like someone else said she's more like Deadpool but girl power. Also, what part of "chaotic force of human nature" did you not get? Harley was never that. That was always Joker.
I've gotten so tired of Harley Quinn's character these past few years due to the overexposure/saturation that followed after Suicide Squad. I stupidly thought Jinx was gonna be the same character before I started watching Arcane. I'm glad I was wrong.
if matt was here he'd be the one bringing it up since he seemed like the resident CN watcher of the group. also did villanous actually get released internationally?
@@Americanbadashh liking any of these characters is actually the opposite of having taste. they're the the female equivalent of characters like joker and i know that's a "no shit sherlock" because of Harley but I mean in the kinds of people who latch onto them.
@@walkaroundincircles ya people who've repeatedly been used, abused and tossed out, but are trying their best to piece together a life for themselves and heal despite the crazy world and cruel experiences they've had to deal with ... why anyone would find those characters relatable (That last part was sarcasm)
@@Americanbadashh I'm talking about the people who want to squeeze their hog to them. They're the female equivalent of "I can fix him" and manchildren who go for women like that irl always end up stepping on infinite rakes because they don't see them as psychologically hurt people who need to heal and learn to deal with their issues but manic pixie dream girls and such that they fetishize. I ain't pretending like the people I knew who furiously beat it to the green character from SU weren't actually just cranking it but relating to a character. There were people who could legit relate to Joker 2019 and the way Arthur was depicted but that doesn't negate that there were a ton of weirdos who projected all of their nonsense onto the character and that Joker 2019 avatars aren't the pfp equivalent of bright colors on a frog.
Well Woolie, you see, Jinx was like that since she first showed up like...9 years ago? And yeah, literally all the females in League of Legends still look like anime girls, so if you are expecting actual damaged and ugly females in this series, you will be disappointed.
@@datonkallandor8687 LoL Jinx is Harley/Tiny Tina. Arcane Jinx is a million percent Tiny Tina when the "XD so random" mask slips off and she remembers she has dead parents and abandonment issues. She's a miserable character that spends most of her scenes just fuming with rage or asking the voices in her head to shut up.
I dunno if anyone will relate but Jynx in general felt like a massive misfire using the 'damaged girl' type of stereotype to portray a cartoony and tonally jarring version of psychosis/schizophrenia which made me pretty uncomfortable.
Let's be real. Jinx doesn't appeal to the "I can fix her" set, she's the purview of the "meh, still would" crowd.
They make it abundantly clear that the chances of being shot in the dick around Jinx are never zero
@@Katagara84 so you're saying there's a chance? 🤔
@@Katagara84 THAT'S THE BEST PART
Anyone who truly likes these characters definitely is like "What is there to fix?"
It's more like "I could make her worse"
HUGE Master Chief avatar, rap music blaring through the headphone mic energy listening to y'all talk about yandere waifus.
When woolie said "Five nights at freddy's stuff" that had the most boomer energy i've herd from him in a while. It was great.
Remember that even as a child Powder is already attempting to craft nail bombs that even if they didn’t kill would almost assuredly maim someone, while she’s still just a kid and likes hanging out with her friends and sister her short past is already filled with the violence that took her parents, it’s not a stretch to see how she has no reservations for taking lives.
She also grows up in an area thats arguably worse than peak Detroit or modern day Chicago.
Like... theres only so much good nature can provide before the environment finishes warping it.
It helps that most of the people she’s killed (at least as far as I’ve seen) are Enforcers, and they already killed her parents. Not particularly surprising that she’d kill the government jackboots responsible for making her life Hell.
@@grahamcarpenter691 Nope. Firelights in Episode 4, remember?
The word Woolie was trying to avoid was “damaged.”
There’s fun damaged and psycho damaged, but no matter how fun she is, she always goes to psycho damaged eventually.
i fucking life being a psychopath omfg
I love the kind of woman that will actually just kill me.
You know, when I left the house today I was thinking "Damn, I really hope some hot chick paints my brains all over the fucking hallway". And here we are.
aw man, that's from something but i forget.
@@charleswisconsin9196 ruclips.net/video/-sMQpWCNTQw/видео.html
First time hearing the clip as pure audio, it took me a whole minute to realize that it wasn't a legit Bebop clip or an outtake.
@@charleswisconsin9196Gianni Matragrano
"Just as I am a man with the powers of a child, there are children much stronger than average."
I felt that
True, but that's hired muscle she's dealing with, so it doesn't really apply here.
Didn't Kakashi say that?
The Toga avatar cut so deep I had to regain my fucking composure.
"Ekko has the stand Mandom" was not two things I had connected in my mind but hey there you go
I *REALLY* dont think these character will end up being their League counterparts. Arcane Jinx is nothing like the wacky woohoo marketing girl she is in League
Yeah Vi being a cop in the game seems really weird considering how she is in Arcane. But who knows, maybe they'll pull ol reliable "change it from the inside" or something.
We've only seen Arcane Jinx in the middle of a stressful and emotionally intense part of her life, and she's only fully Jinx by the end of Season 1. I think after a few years when she's at the point where she's running from Vi and Caitlyn doing hijinks she'll be having a lot more fun.
@@pyropoyo Yeah, she might end up being a cop, but for reasons like "I'll make sure the people from Zaun are treated fairly" and shit. Not her bullshit ingame design were she boasts about how much she loves police brutality and how much of a badass she is for abusing her authority. Expecially when the cops fucking KILLED her parents.
@@dreamchaser3012 I think the more I ignore League as a game the better.
Didn't Majima go through the same kind of extreme personality shift? It can be done with good writing.
I actually don't get a lot of "LOL I'm so random" energy from Arcanes Jinx. I think alot of that has to do with self awareness and a bit of nuance of when she has her moments. Like this Jinx seems to be aware that people thinks she's crazy and plays it up to a certain extent. And I think that self-awareness makes all the difference in a character whose premise is being a but unhinged.
That sounds like Majima from Yakuza in that case. Not a bad thing cause I love Majima.
Happy Chaos from Guilty Gear is another favorite of mine, allthough his philosophy is interesting/compelling in a different way from Majima (for me personally).
It's almost like good people wrote this one.
She's functionally a different character in the show.
This is like when Woolie was playing FE, got set in a tropes bit, and refused to grow further. Whole conversation was pretty cringe, not gonna lie.
Luckily he actually finished the show and saw that Jinx in Arcane doesn't fit those archetypes well, but he's kinda trying to have it both ways cause he can never be wrong.
@@Re1ent1ess77 "he can never be wrong" lmao are we talking about the same person here?
I fucking knew Jinx would be entering this chat after Arcane.
So the funny thing about League not being canon to itself is that somehow despite all the crazy crossovers, Fortnite is canon to itself. The DC comic tie in goes into explaining how the island, the storm, the matches, and people running around in skins works and it all makes sense somehow. They somehow figured out how to make it work.
And the crossovers with both DC and Marvel are actually super well written. That Batman comic had a super good storyline. Way better than it had any right to be.
It’s really not that hard Wacky Multiverse shenanigans is like western comics 101
fortnite is truly an enigma. like it's boring like every other battle royal but they put genuine effort into things that they really didn't need to like giving a spiderman costume legit web swinging mechanics when most of the map is open wilderness.
@@xsoultillerx I actually have genuine fun when I jump in to grab cosmetics that look cool (that Marvel Galactus event last year was really fun and had some great comic pulls like Red She-Hulk), and it always shocks me. Like at its core it's got good features and tight controls and you dont even have to build to win. Hell, they even perfectly recreated Crazy Taxi at one point with similar music. I think it's just the massive mainstream oversaturation and community that makes it near unbearable.
People can like the crazy girls and the not crazy girls Woolie, it ain't that serious.
You seem reputable
This is also big Deadpool energy, even the cutesy aspect
Deadpool was based on spiderman according to rob liefeld.
except jinx is more likeable than deadpool
@@god47398 doubt
@@god47398 In what fucking universe???
@@god47398 if you are Discord Mod 😳😳😳😳
If there was anything Jinx reminded me of it was Tiny Tina. Her manic episodes had some Anthony Burch-esque energy to it though I do not think it was quite that bad. It never bothered me at least.
And instead of the Pitchford stank permeating Arcane it has the Riot stank. Which is worse on an ethical level but at least isnt intolerable to consume.
Anthony Burch esque?
@@RockyRockthrow it just reminded me of Borderlands 2's writing, which he wrote, is all. Very fast paced, all over the place, felt like it was trying a little too hard, but I liked it more in Arcane than in BL2.
on the subject, love the beato profile pic
@@Jsters Beato does fall into the quirky maniac with a tragic backstory category, doesnt she? She made me cry tho so points for that.
burch actually wrote a comic with jinx and ziggs for riot a while back and it was fucking terrible. not only did he turn the lolsorandum on jinx up to 12 but he wholesale ripped off the concept of glamours from the Fables comic and slapped them on yordles. like he didn't even bother to change the color.
Honestly, I want Woolie's take after he finishes the season, because Jinx isn't Harley Quinn. Harley Quinn can and often is redeemed. Jinx is the full-ass We-live-in-a-society, All-it-takes-is-one-bad-day JOKER by episode 9.
Pretty much yeah, even Vi by the end I feel realizes Powder is gone and Jinx needs to be stopped
What she did made sense if you consider what just happened and she knew about the deal silco made.
@@shadowreaverrising1753 Z
@@mediadetective6104 lolwhat
I hate how so many of Harley Quinns incarnations are displayed as redeemable.
Yes she is crazy and was manipulated/abused etc.
But she still murders massive amounts of people alongside or for the Joker.
The amount of bending the DC universe does to justify her redeemability is surpassed only by how bullshit Batmans character has become
Not knowing who these characters are might actually make Arcane much better, too bad I'll never know.
I knew nothing about League and it was amazing.
Only thing I knew about Vi was that she was in lesbians with Caitlyn and that Jinx liked to bomb Piltover which was where Heimerdinger, Singed, Jace, Viktor and Ekko live(d) at some point.
I knew nothing, and the show was fine to pretty good. The. Characters didn’t really manage to pull me in to the world
I've never played LoL the only champions I know a tiny bit about is Jinx (from her music video) as well as Lux and Sylas (from their comic book).
I've never heard Pat be so wrong before. Anyone who's fully watched Arcane knows that Vi is obviously a top 😏
Actually the reason the League became non-canon is even dumber. Ages ago, before Aurelion Sol came out, Riot looked at their lore and realized how much of a disconnected mess it was. Constantly dangled threads they weren't moving (after discontinuing their fun lore magazine thing they'd periodically release because reasons), new characters prompting interesting questions, etc.
Seeing that they had "no way to progress the lore" and that "Summoners and the League existing were too OP to make interesting story arcs with our characters because they'd just end everything", they decided to just torch the League and all the backstory they had and start over.
And so League became non-canon to itself and Riot STARTED the 6+ year long process of rewriting all their lore on the fly bit by bit, which has totally been a smooth, well planned, well executed ride that's definitely solved all the issues they were having. For suresies.
(Also there was a bit about how their plans for new character backgrounds couldn't be interesting because inevitably they'd have to end up in the League and explaining how or why they'd get involved with it was too stifling. I had a lot of fun mocking that, whenever a new champ would come out or an old one would be reworked I'd come up with a way to have inserted them practically as-is into the old canon, as well as arcs they could have within that canon.)
OG League lore is just "Mortal Kombat, but every faction has a Shao Kahn that also participates to fight for their country/faction."
I dont see whats so wrong or bad about that since if the rune wars were as awful and terrible as the characters who lived in it like Heimer said it was, that would give a good reason to have the League formed in the first place.
Woolie vs the ruined king would be fun to see dude! Something tells me he'd vibe with illaoi. HAIL TO THE GREAT SERPENT, NAGAKABOROS!
Its a great JRPG for people that want a concise and to the point JRPG.
@@lordxmugen How do you define a "straight to the point" RPG?
It's an RPG, and I love RPGs for crying out loud.
@@leithaziz2716 a JRPG thats like 20 or so hours and is only really focused on the narrative and character' story its trying to tell and then gets out of your way before it wears out its welcome. A LOT of JRPGs are like 40 to 100 hours and really maybe have like a thirds worth of that runtime worth of story and the rest is either grinding for levels or sidequests that arent that interesting anyway.
Ruined King doesnt really have any of that and is just fun all the way through.
Woolie does like him some buff punchgirls, and Illaoi is 90% buff punchgirl
Teeth falling out and patched(?) hair? I think Woolie's perception of mental illness is even more off-base than yandere girls.
Yeah, uh, that's not mental illness, that's p2p meth.
I could not agree less with Woolies take here. Nothing about Jinx stays fun. The "fun psycho damaged crazy lol so random" thing is an act she puts on. You see it fall off her face IN THE SCENE WHERE JINX IS INTRODUCED. Comparing her to modern Harley Quinn is a huge miss on her character (in arcane)
"Modern sensibility" it came out in 2013 it is not even a decade
Which part came out in 2013?
The initial game was released in 2009, but I am way to ignorant to really say much about the series
You're right, it's not "modern sensibility", it's basic taste in character design. The OG designs for Jinx and Cathleen are absolutley hideous and were totally drawn by former Blizzard people in the worst possible meaning of that term.
I mean seriously, what the fuck is up with that *hat?* God, i'm glad steampunk is dead.
@@just_matt214 Who's Cathleen?
@@oty2235 Idk how you spell it lmao, the sniper girl with the hat. Caytlin? Kaitlyn? Kathleen?
@@just_matt214 Isn't Bioshock semi-steampunk? I dont know man, there's a lot of good shit in steampunk aesthetics.
Sooo no disrespect to Woolie or PunchMom but...did we watch the same show? Arcane Jinx is nothing like modern Harley other than the surface level attitude, Lol Jinx sure but Arcane? No way. There are actually a couple of videos specifically going into how Arcane Jinx compares to Harley and "Hot topic" Harley loses BAD. I wont type a whole essay but the easy stuff is this; Jinx is broken, not performatively, not just for gags, down to her core. Fighting the FireLights on the air ship and the bridge massacre, shes not joking, giggling or dancing around, she kills them almost calmly, quietly, mercilessly. Then she has triggers of her past trauma that send her into complete shutdown, curling up into a ball or reverting to a childlike attitude that Silco has to pull her back out from. Shes constantly tortured by voices and hallucinations that whisper hateful things into her ear and eat at her self worth.
I wont lie and say shes not at ALL fun and quirky, but it feels more earned; like this is the side effect of a little girl who never got a chance at normality, grew up with a father figure who nurtured all the worst parts of her and so never grew up at all. Theres at least a line you can follow that leads her to who she is now, not quite" LOL SO RANDOM" like Woolie makes it out to be.
Anyway maybe Woolie will change his tune when he watches the last 2 episodes of the show, again no disrespect or offence here I just feel like saying this is 1 to 1 with modern Harley kinda does a disservice to how good Arcane Jinx is (and this is coming from someone who is a fan of harley BTW, just not the modern one)
Yeah problem... The LoL devs literally said they based Jinx off Joker. You can see that logic in her original music video that made the character super fucking popular. So even saying she's Harley instead of Joker is stupid in general. Harley is crazy but not Joker crazy. He is WAY more. Though in general it's clear this Jinx and game Jinx ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
Comic books vs show/movie canons.
"You guys love heroin? I love heroin!"-Pat
Fun fact about self-discard decks, for those who don't know: the archetype is commonly referred to as "Madness," named after a keyword used on certain cards from Magic: The Gathering.
I'm curious as to what Woolie thinks happened in the fight in episode 7. Because there's some people who's interpretation is somewhat distorted by the idea of Ekko's time powers from the game, when in fact he doesn't have any of that as of the show. In fact, the way that fight is done in the show is SIGNIFICANTLY more characterful and clever than if it was just straight up 'time powers'.
I really wish someone was around to tell them the full backstory on Singed and how his dark character is completely dissonant to his play wacky playstyle.
And a quick explanation of the difference between Old League Lore and New Runeterra Lore
It’s so hard to take Singed seriously in Arcane when you know this man runs around with a big dumb bottle of poison strapped to his back for no reason.
Surfer Dudebro Singed will always be canon in my wretched, greasy heart.
I miss "committed a TON of warcrimes for no good reason and is KOS in Ionia" Singed...
That dissonance I like actually. Imagining an insane evil man BY HIS OWN HANDS AND MOVEMENTS committing all these evil acts. His gameplay is wacky but then you also have WHAT THE GAMEPLAY FELT LIKE.
DON'T PURSUE SINGED. YOU WILL DIE! NO OTHER CONCLUSION! YOUR DEAD IF YOU TRY AND FIGHT HIM!
He runs around causing chaos and poisoning you to death. His gameplay perfectly complements his lore.
@@RavenCloak13 His gameplay fits, but the man still desperately needs a visual rework of some kind. The red-and-yellow armor doesn't suit Zaun's aesthetic at all, and again, the giant potion is just absurd.
Maybe you could give Singed some kind of machine on his back that spouts poison, or perhaps a canister like the kind Silco used to threaten the Chembaron council. Replace the random bottle in his hand with a vile of Shimmer. Update the guy's animations. You can overhaul the design without needing to change the gameplay to much, as we've seen with the likes of Karthus and Caitlyn.
Jinx? stands for jinx ...durr..
Arcane means old, and Jinx means Jinx.
The J in Jinx stands for Jinx.
Arcane has no right being as good as it is. And I love it all the more for it.
I played through the Runeterra story thing, and the VI part with Jinx is weird as hell. Like. Jinx is out just straight murdering people, and blowing up buildings, and Vi the (I guess?) cop is just like, "ohh, look at what a mess you made lol". I wasn't expecting some amazing story, but this shit is what people are going off about with that Arcane thing? Jesus christ it read like a 5 year old wrote it.
Nah, LoR's story mode is sort of like a parody of the original source material. Jinx and Vi are at each other's throats post-arcane and in the main story, Vi would never actually tolerate that, but in LoR they've got to be cards in the same deck, so it's whatever.
Maybe the writing didnt do enough for woolie to convince him jinx could change that drastically. I mean, its not like she lost her parents, or was raised to embrace violence, or killed the ones she loved as a child, received the most warped parenting from a psychopath who WANTED her to murder. All in all when you killed your friends, father and get abandoned in that moment, prob becomes a lot easier to take the lives of people you DONT give a shit about
Jinx is so good in Arcane because, yeah she’s a super model because marketing but they didn’t do that performative axe crazy thing everyone copied from Joker and Harley without context. Like, sometimes she’ll just stare at you with a neutral affect and it’s disturbing. She’s not trying to be funny for no reason. That’s what actual people that are comfortable with violence with do.
You also get the impression that if she wasn’t third in command to a crime boss she actually would be totally nonfunctional.
funny about that - she actually never was a supermodel. If you look at her in-game portrait, she is actually super flat-chested, lanky, has a goofy smile and kind of looks like a crack addict. When she was first released, she was considered an unconventional body type in a game full of busty fantasy women. Her Arcane variant not only makes her a little more attractive, but normalizes her body type slightly
@@frustratedsquirrel "super flat-chested, lanky, has a goofy smile and kind of looks like a crack addict." Bruh, That's actually a pretty accurate description of a real supermodel.
It is surreal as a (former) LoL player to hear these two describe characters I know and love from the perspective of "Never seen them" and "I played the Card Game first primarily."
Jinx, the gun-toting, Electropunk singing, RHINOCEROS VANDALIZING little ball of chaos being described as a "Discard Deck Character" is absolutely hilarious. Seriously though, if anyone hasn't seen it, look up the music video for Jinx when she was released on League. It is absolutely everything you could ever want for understanding what she's all about.
And they were called Yellow~ 🎶. You know, like the song.
The Yellow Bois
Yellow Gang
Yella Fellas
Yell Lords, got there.
I hate how this type of character was so fucking ruined by League's Jinx and Modern Harley that people cant appreciate how Arcane does the character correctly.
She reminds me of the chick with the charkham for soul caliber.
I think it's unfair to call Jinx in Arcane a Harley Quinn type of character, she was in League sure, but she moved past that. Those just banalize mental illness as a quirky thing and excuse their actions because they are always "manipulated victims", Jinx wilfully kills people, and it shows how brutal she can be and her illness is not something "funny" she is constantly haunted by hallucinations and panic attacks.
Thing is it was only surface level Harley. Remember, Harley is completely tied to The Joker. Jinx doesn't have a manipulative person in her life like Harley that made her fall cause of her fascination with an insane element. Like you stated she did it herself even if she has mental problems with it.
Hell, Jinx was originally in the game a fusion of Harley and Joker instead of just a ripoff Harley. We just say Harley because both are girls.
EDIT: It has come to my attention that no, Jinx was literally just there version of Joker so even saying Harley at all is completely wrong and the only thing she has in common with Harley is both are girls that people love as characters.
... have you actually read or seen anything Harley Quinn related in the past two decades or so? Jinx is 100% just Harley. Harley willfully kills people and her mental illness (being Joker's beaten housewife) is her achilles heel.
See Jinx is what you get when you go for the Modern Harley energy but it's actually good and interesting. As opposed to anything with Modern Harley.
being fair it's not like harley was ever interesting beyond being the "female joker henchman" in BTAS.
her current schtick is just deadpool with girl power.
@@xsoultillerx they gave her a fair amount of depth in BtAS.
Woolie's gotta finish it, he's not getting the whole picture of Jinx, she's real freaking tragic.
lol
I will say, it's weird to complain that Jinx is another "mentally ill hearing voices character"...cause I'm mentally ill myself and I have auditory visual hallucinations a lot. It's like complaining they made a blind character who can't see...like yeah that's what that means. Gonna be honest, I've been seeing critics recently criticizing mentally ill characters for feeling too "tropey" but that's kind of what an illness is, it usually results in similar symptoms, and outliers are just that, outliers, they're not the norm.
I am not mentally ill and I hear people calling my name from time to time. It comes from working lawn care.
@@shadowreaverrising1753 I get you, that's normal, what I'm referring to is overhearing a relative on the telephone, then realizing they are watching TV and not on the phone, and the entire conversation you are hearing is in your head. Cause that has happened to me, it's kinda scary.
@@CrocvsGator sorry it's that bad for you.
Just got speared out of my boots
@@shadowreaverrising1753 I don't know what that last part meant.
@@CrocvsGator I know. It's a wrestling reference. See: goldberg spear. I got figuratively speared.
I don't think they're tying to make crazy be appealing with Jinx. Sure, she looks cool and all, but I don't think anyone wants to deal with what's going on in her head. The "crazy kooky Harley Quinn stuff" is something she only does around people she doesn't trust or wants to keep her distance from. When she's talking to Silco or Vi she's more open and honest, anyone else gets the unpredictable unstable girl who sets traps and bombs.
Also I'm real curious what Woolie thinks about Mel's mom.
They made everyone in Runeterra extra bangable in this show. Especially Vi, Caitlyn and Jinx...
Especially Jinx.
In my viewing experience "Is Singed in the Show?" can literally only be answered to a 100% certainty if you have subtitles on, that one was a hilarious because it only happens once and the rest is just [Man] for denoting him speaking.
If I didn't see that, I'd still be going "Ok this is a bad science man, but not Viktor cause that's the other guy...but it may or may not be Singed" by the end of episode 9
In all fairness Jinx really is the original hot topic crazy compared to some of these other characters
Can we end the era of people's insanity being portrayed as massive headaches. Like I'm over cloud remembering something And then going like "aaaaahhhh" from a headache.
The irony if this popping up on my feed since I missed the podcast and having a conversation with friends about how I don't like the trope. Atleast they nailed Powder's descent into Jinx phenomenally.
TLDR: Jinx is tankgirl but in the show they gave her some subtlety this time around. Neat.
Theres a massive disconnect between league gameplay and league lore, hence why Singed, who has 5 lines and runs around with a big giant poison bottle on his back, is in lore literally a war criminal who has murdered millions with mustard gas, and Jax, a dude with a lantern for a weapon, is creating a team to stop the apocolypse and comes from an ancient civilization that just so happens to fight with lamps.
I feel so targeted right now, Jinx and Toga are two of my favorite fictional characters of all time, haha.
You just have bad taste
Toga’s in my top 5 lol, you don’t have to worry about what others say my guy.
Don't listen to Woolie
i don't know about LoL outside of porn but if you're going to like any of MHA's villains why toga?
she's arguably the blandest & most basic one out of that band of deviantart OCs.
@@xsoultillerx I know ya didn't ask me, but considering you called them "that band of deviantart OCs" I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you're not too charitable towards the league of villains to begin with lmao. I like her a lot because characters with abnormal psychologies interest me, not to mention the fact that her backstory/character motivations resonate with a lot of people who have been through similar stuff (minus the murder, of course) as a result of societies who ostracize them for their...well, quirks. Toga didn't HAVE to end up as a psycho serial killer, she's the result of a world that forced her into repression.
I feel called out...
As someone who is not a League fan I was very thrown off when Pat suddenly demanded to know why we haven't seen any "tops" yet in Arcane. I thought there were plenty in the show so far...
Jinx gave me tank girl vibes before the show was announced.
@@serenasera9142 did you know about the tank girl comic? Have you seen the tank girl movie where ice-t is a kangaroo man?
If I remember right the lore USED to be that the Rift was where nations came to settle disputes in place of all out war because the world got so shit-fucked from all the crazy powerful magic every nation was using whenever they went to war, to the point it was tearing the planet apart.
Yeah, she's that type of character, but a well written one.
As someone with some similar disorders to how Arcane Jinx has her breakdowns P and W here just don't get dissociative and manic disorders
Hamlet is my favorite Harley Quin type. Haunted by the literal voices of the past, pretends to be quirky insane while still being genuinely mentally unstable, and has a habit of making self destructive choices with drastic consequences to the people around them. Am I describing Hamlet or Jinx? Oh its both.
But since Jinx is hot and liked by teens, I guess they're insufferable hot topic bait while the Hamlets a boring literary classic that's taught in English class. Maybe it's the blue hair.
I think there's more to Jinx's characteristics that tend to cause people to put her in the LOL so Random group that youre glossing over. She plays up her chaotic nature in a near theatrical way, often very expressive emotes and stranger quotes in the game, has a lot of her character styled after modern crazy/cute artstyles.
This is somebody who mains Jinx and loves what Arcane did with her characterization by the way.
English lit is sadly too often unappreciated but Jinx looked like she's ripped from some modern edgy anime interpretation of Alice in Wonderland for the past 8 years.
The reason League dropped that whole lore they had going on was because it was becoming unmanageable if they wanted to expand their cast.
The original idea was that instead of waging wars for basic bitch shit like "who owns a river" countries would have 5 summoner wizards each in a war room, to basically "play a game of League" for us. The League of Legends referred to that entire political process of dealing with those petty political fights, with strong individuals joining the League to serve as pawns. (quite literally as a side hustle) The summoners would then each remote control one of those "champions" and fight it out in a classic 5v5 League game, winner country wins whatever's debated.
But then they started adding champions that were very cleary not in it for the same reasons, like Fiddlesticks or Warwick, basically some were captured to be in it or whatever, and then they realized that while they were trying their utmost to grow the lore on the side (in a nice way btw), the League concept itself was holding them down. What's the point of creating an entire mythos and world map if all the cool characters that would make you care about it can't join the League? When the League forces you to just have human beings and "captured mystical beings", does it make sense? Doesn't it stifle your creativity?
So they said fuck it, quite literally threw the chest board off the table, and restarted their lore in more details and with bigger perspectives. It took them a bit before they found what they were doing tho since a lot of what was created during that 1-3 years era technically isn't canon anymore too, and since 2016-17 onwards it's just a very slow worldbuilding and lead-up that explores their mythos and their actual world, slowly leading to a big apocalyptic-sized event that has yet to fucking happen and now they added another one and fuck man I've been waiting.
That transition was quite jarring for some characters, a bunch of which got completely changed to fit in there.
Jinx for instance had like 4 different iterations before arcane.
A character named Jax historically fought with a lamp post because he was 100% the strongest weapons guy on Earth nobody even in the fucking League could touch him if he had a real weapon. Dude got purple skin, three fingers on each hand, and still fucked anyone who would try to defy him. Now he's the last survivor of a warring nation that got annihilated by a precursor/manmade event related to the apocalypse I mentionned earlier. That lamp post is the only thing that remains of his city now. Etc etc
Hell Ekko had a short story about him before the League I couldn't bear to re-read due how emotional it'd get, and it's not canon anymore.
Nah, I'm pretty sure Ekko's story is still canon. There's still a mural, and one of the cards in Legends of Runeterra (Sumpsnipe Scavenger) appears to be the kid from his comic/intro cinematic. I guess it's debatable just how canon the cards are, but I'm betting they'll be more so than LoL currently is. Whatever the case, it's entirely feasible for that story to take place sometime after Ekko gets his Z-drive working.
Unless there's another story you're talking about that I missed.
I've been waiting for this
did anybody ever caught woolie singing the intro song misery...
does anybody have it captured on video...
it does not matter if woolie was singing it in his shower...
it's for... documentation... for a friend... that work for canal vie...
I know I'm really asking for trouble by saying this, but I can't resist. I haven't watched Arcane, so my opinion is barely even relevant, but a lot of people who compare Toga to Harley Quinn are really smoothing over a lot of her character. The point to Toga's mental instability is that, because she has a blood-related Quirk, it gives her a fascination with blood from childhood that creeps other people out. Her own parents call her creepy, and instead of getting her counseling, they tell her to "act normal."
The result is that she manages to just bottle up every emotion and desire that people will reject and play the part of a cheerful, dependable, "normal" girl until around middle school or high school, when she finally snaps and attacks someone. She's not "lol so random"; some of her facial expressions are downright horrifying, and there are scenes later in the manga when she tries to reach out to someone, and - not knowing how to ask for help - she forces them away, and it's only after she runs that the other person realizes that she was trying to find someone she could turn to.
She's a product of a culture that foists responsibility to help people in need onto others, and her current state would have been completely preventable, but it tragically wasn't because the people she should have been able to depend on the most rejected her for not meeting their expectations of what's normal and good. And the reason that people like her is usually that those people are misfits too; not for the same reasons or to the same extent, but they're often people who aren't "normal" and are either shoved aside or pressed to conform to other people's expectations of how to not only act, but think and feel.
Not to mention that a lot of people like the yandere archetype because, for better and for worse, there's a certain sincerity to their emotions that's inimitable. There's an element of hiding nothing and wearing their hearts on their sleeves with regards to how they feel, and on a level, people find something in that they admire because they can't have that kind of brutal, uncompromising honesty to their own identity. I'm kind of spitballing at this point, but I just wanted to say my piece. Sorry to write a thesis on the subject.
I felt that last paragraph.
Different starting points, same end point.
@@lindthechaoticheretic8708 Can you elaborate on that?
Shit pats right. Eko has Mandom 100%
The Exaggerated Swagger of a Black Teen Time
Edit: Someone update TV Tropes
Black Air Force Energy
Even when I was at that age where characters like Jinx, Harly, or Toga was supposed to appeal to my teenager hormone driven horndog brain, I was always put off and even sometimes viscerally disturbed by such behaviors in fictional and real life people.
Different strokes indeed.
league got the rabbids treatment
so much more popular it got pushed out of the way by the spinoff
Oh god I just realized I really do have a type lol
r/notlikeothergirls energy
If you know how to play her, Vi is any position except Ranged Physical Carry.
Her ability to ambush and the AoE AA reset gives her a Jungle Bias, but she can hold solo lanes reasonably well pre-six, and intimidate the other laner 6+. Her roam / missing is scary as fuck too.
As a support, she's not the best, but she can definitely set-up an aggressive laning position with the right partner, and off-tank pretty well.
Admittedly it's been many years since I last played, but wouldn't she get eaten alive against most tops/mids?
@@Taliesin_
Unless something has drastically changed in the year or two since I last played, not if the player understands the lane assignment well enough.
She has a dash that will clump minions and interrupt champions, can store 2 AA reset that quickly recharges if you prioritize it (and it should always be the prio) and has an ult with a massive dash that can not be interrupted, displaces champs moved through and stuns the target, if she gets hard flanked. Her passive was also temporary hp on champion hits IIRC.
She has all the tools and mobility and tankiness to hold the lane, clear the lane and push the lane against most traditional picks through the mid-game.
Builds might be a little messed up depending on who she's laning against, but Tiamat/Hydra and/or BotRK and she has all the offense and clear she needs.
The rest is up to individual skill, team synergy and how often she's enabled to bully other lanes or separate champions from the pack.
She pairs very well with units like Gragas, Thresh, Blitz, Leona etc, for that reason. Either making hooks easier, or knocking units further away after a hook / knockback lands, and completely stripping armor with her other passive, especially if she got the opportunity to build aggressive and has a Black Cleaver.
She might not be a SSS-tier top pick, but she should be more than capable of getting the job done quite well. And is also a good swerve if the opposing side thinks she is going jungle and picks based on that assumption, allowing your jungler to counterpick their's.
I remember playing LoL and male and female Yordles were different species entirely.
the fact that cvan be called lol makes me rofl
Nothing about Jinx in Arcane has made me cringe, because most of the time I’m just thinking, “Yeah, she’s acting about how I’d expect for someone who’s gone through what she has.”
Mel's a top? Maybe (definitely compared to Jayce)
But her mum Ambessa definitely is... we're talking about the same thing right?
(I don't play moba's let alone league of legends)
I don't know my self, don't play LOL. But I simp for Ambessa that woman can step on me
Why does it not suprise me, that Woolie likes Imagine Dragons?
good thing jinx predates modern harley quinn!
*modern* what about arkham harley or new 52 harley??
@@shadowreaverrising1753 arkham harley is just old harley done poorly and with more latex. New 52 harley is night and day to end of 52-rebirth harley. Jinx is way more tank girl-general manic pixy girl inspired than harley Quinn inspired. I'd genuinely say there's more joker than harley.
Arcane was good, didn’t know Riven was connected to the war lady that shows up in the last act of Arcane.
I think it will be Swain.
this thumbnail + title is talking about me
Jinx Apologists be like "But she was sad tho!"
Yeah jinx is really similar to quin
I haven't really looked at league since Yasuo was released in the game (leaving had nothing to do with him that's just my landmark of "When i uninstalled") but the fact that LoL is no longer canon is kinda wacky
like, I GET it, you're trying to spin this into a whole world and the logic needed to tie it to this bizarre game of sending celebrities down lanes hundreds of times a day and explaining why Demacia and Noxus heroes that would love to turn each other into a stain are now fighting to protect each other, that's a tall order. Still kinda bites that it's just all *gone* technically but oh well.
I never got the impression that jinx was a harley ripoff I mean the devs literally said she was based of the joker.
What is Harley but a female joker. The only difference between her and current Harley is that Jinx isn't in a relationship with an equally insane person.
@@TheSpiritus0
Harley was the abuse victim of Joker who tags along because of her fascination with Joker that she willingly abandoned everything for him when working at Arkham. Joker meanwhile is a chaotic force of human nature taken to the extreme. Joker describes Jinx way more with the original concept of what they wanted for Jinx as a character in the game.
@@RavenCloak13 that's what I'm saying. The relationship is the only difference. Take that away like they do for current Harley and she's just female joker who does random chaotic things in the same way.
@@TheSpiritus0
No, like someone else said she's more like Deadpool but girl power.
Also, what part of "chaotic force of human nature" did you not get? Harley was never that. That was always Joker.
Singed is played top
Are they talking about ringo?
Man, the way people talk about Arcane makes me feel bad, cause while I’d love to watch it… I can’t bring myself to support Riot Games.
Just watch it if you want to, no ethical consumption and all that.
@@Milequetoaster Still doesn’t make me feel better about supporting a scum fuck company. But at worst, I think I’ll just pirate it. 🤷♂️
I've gotten so tired of Harley Quinn's character these past few years due to the overexposure/saturation that followed after Suicide Squad.
I stupidly thought Jinx was gonna be the same character before I started watching Arcane. I'm glad I was wrong.
16:05 Singed is top.
Oof these guys are old now, huh.
if the music is too loud, you're too old.
What? No Demencia?
if matt was here he'd be the one bringing it up since he seemed like the resident CN watcher of the group.
also did villanous actually get released internationally?
You forgot the green character from Steven Universe and the cat girl from the new Shera.
And like that, you've summarized most of art twitter.
@@BigFingerRo because most art twitter has taste / has experience abuse
@@Americanbadashh liking any of these characters is actually the opposite of having taste. they're the the female equivalent of characters like joker and i know that's a "no shit sherlock" because of Harley but I mean in the kinds of people who latch onto them.
@@walkaroundincircles ya people who've repeatedly been used, abused and tossed out, but are trying their best to piece together a life for themselves and heal despite the crazy world and cruel experiences they've had to deal with ... why anyone would find those characters relatable (That last part was sarcasm)
@@Americanbadashh I'm talking about the people who want to squeeze their hog to them. They're the female equivalent of "I can fix him" and manchildren who go for women like that irl always end up stepping on infinite rakes because they don't see them as psychologically hurt people who need to heal and learn to deal with their issues but manic pixie dream girls and such that they fetishize. I ain't pretending like the people I knew who furiously beat it to the green character from SU weren't actually just cranking it but relating to a character.
There were people who could legit relate to Joker 2019 and the way Arthur was depicted but that doesn't negate that there were a ton of weirdos who projected all of their nonsense onto the character and that Joker 2019 avatars aren't the pfp equivalent of bright colors on a frog.
Wish I could watch this show. Glad everyone is enjoying it.
You and me both. I need to get Netflix so that I can also watch JoJo Part 6.
@@leithaziz2716 That's not what I meant, but ok.
@@X_Blake Something else getting in the way? Curious.
@@leithaziz2716 Two things actually. Abuse in the workplace and Tencent.
@@X_Blake Understandable. Sorry for making assumptions.
Pat I love you. Woolie clearly does not give a fuck about League as a game, stop talking about play styles
Why should he?
Well Woolie, you see, Jinx was like that since she first showed up like...9 years ago? And yeah, literally all the females in League of Legends still look like anime girls, so if you are
expecting actual damaged and ugly females in this series, you will be disappointed.
Rek'sai: "Am I a joke to you?"
Arcane Jinx is fine, game Jinx is just your least favorite Borderlands character
How much Tiny Tina is Jynx, and how much Tankgirl is she? Because I like Tankgirl, but I cant fucking stand Tiny Tina.
Jinx is like a mix of Harley Quinn and the Joker.
@@datonkallandor8687 LoL Jinx is Harley/Tiny Tina. Arcane Jinx is a million percent Tiny Tina when the "XD so random" mask slips off and she remembers she has dead parents and abandonment issues. She's a miserable character that spends most of her scenes just fuming with rage or asking the voices in her head to shut up.
Loving the new harley.
Sounds like you guys really need to finish watching the shows, before speaking conclusively
League is not cannon in Arcane, Pat. Summoners Rift isn't a thing that exists inlore.
So summoners rift is kinda like how dissidia is to the FF universe?
That's literally what Pat was saying for a good chuck of the video.
@@soseji_pan012 Or how Mario Party is to Super Mario. Exactly
Did you miss the part where that's exactly what Pat was saying?
"Joker for Women"
Deadpool for women*
I dunno if anyone will relate but Jynx in general felt like a massive misfire using the 'damaged girl' type of stereotype to portray a cartoony and tonally jarring version of psychosis/schizophrenia which made me pretty uncomfortable.
For all your talk about depictions of the mentally ill, you seem to not pick up on them when the depiction his handled with care.
so you're saying i should watch arcane