For all the critics, I love this airport and have nothing but praise for all those who have worked and recorded keeping us up to date as it has evolved . Thank you to all of you.
From the previous videos of the airport I’ve watched, I see lot’s of improvements! The metro line is also very helpful! It makes travelling to the city much quicker!
Another great vid, JayDog, and good progress on the airport and metro - but the promised commercial development around them seems to be noticeably lacking so far...
@@BigJayDogAdventures I'm not much enthused about Bradfield, No doubt it will be 'pretty' and pretty expensive, but how a place with maybe 25.000 people becomes a dominant 'third CBD' while surrounded by four centres (Penrith, Blacktown, Fairfield / liverpool and Camden / Campbelltown) EACH already with well over 200,000 people, is a bit of a mystery to me. Meanwhile there's tonnes of seriously large commercial development along Mamre Rd heading towards Erskine Park, and lots or residential development popping up just further north.
This airport is to be 24hrs operation, supposedly the metro will be also, but the trains will be shut down between 12 ad 3 am, what do passengers do to get to city or any other part of the Sydney region. You get one or two planes landing in middle of night, and they all won't fit on the Night Ride bus. Better build a lot of hotels and motels in St Marys!
The metro is apparently going to run to the same schedule as the train network so you would assume they would have 24/7 busses running to and from the airport from key locations.
Some thoughts: - only about 20% of passengers are expected to use the train. - Even if the metro were working very late, the connecting Sydney Trains / Buses would not - -Domestic flights peak in the morning and evening. These are not discounted and most passengers are travelling for business and drive to the airport. Even so, using the metro to catch a 6am flight is quite do-able. - Most flights are at times people want to fly or at least tolerate to fly, not some ungodly hour - West to east may be the hardest. Sydney is 2 hrs behind NZ, and the flight is just over 3 hrs.To arrive in NZ at 6 am, would need to leave Sydney before 1 am, which means getting to the airport about 11 pm. Metro is still running. - Even at 24 hr airports, departing flights thin out during very late hours The proposed Singapore flights want to arrive there early in the morning (say 6 am). Need to leave 8 hrs (Sydney Time) before, which is 10 pm - metro is running. - The exceptions are flights running late (can happen any time) and night freighters (who don't need passenger handling facilities) - It's far less constrictive than the Sydney Airport curfew, which is 11am to 6am
The metro will be closing down roughly the same as Sydney Trains. If you are using one, they likely figure you will probably want to connect with the other. I looked up what Melbourne and Brisbane do. They are 24 hr airports with even more limited hours of operation of trains or Skybus. If WSI has similar flight patterns to them, only one international departure around 5 to 6.30 am would be affected, as trains would not be able to get people there 3 hrs before departure, unless happy with arriving early and accepting a very long wait. The earliest domestic departure is around 5.30 - so need to arrive by about 4.30 - Currently doable by rail from Penrith, but not quite from Parramatta. (I suspect earlier westbound trains to St Marys will be offered when the airport is opened.) There are some international departures at around 1, 2 and 3 am, but people had to get there 3 hrs ahead of those times (i.e. while the trains/metro were still running). A couple of international flights arrive just before and after midnight). That would mean waiting a couple of hours for the Sydney Metro/Trains systems to start, but if you know that's going to be the case most usually plan for it. There will be hotel at the airport (not cheap) and there are already half a dozen in St Marys or nearby. I think St Marys will really take off as an economy accommodation location, and not just for late flights. Only about 20% of travellers will be using the Metro when running anyway (based on Sydney and international data). So what other options do people have after it and Sydney Trains stop? - Do I wait and get an aperitif and an early breakfast? - Do I think ahead to park there or take a cab (e.g. business travellers on the company expense account)? - Do I book a room at a localish hotel that offers a free 24 hr airport transfer? - If I'm on a cheap fare flight for an organised group tour, is it a bus or a limo picking me up? - Do I ring Cuz to pick me up in his doof-doof Capella?
A long time since I've flown, and I've worked in other roles at airports for years, but most of it is still very familiar (apart from remote ATC). I'll have a punt if you have some questions, and say I don't know if I don't.
Yes I would assume the area around orchard hills and luddenham will be very lucrative. Claremont meadows is very close to the orchard hills site, so those people will be lucky to
I am pretty sure many logistics companies will be very happy about it. Due to WSI will operate 24 hours. I am pretty sure many Airport will operate 24 hours once WSI start operation.
Great video BJD 👍🏻 I know I’m going to get slaughtered for saying this, but I think it’s best to use WSI rather than WSA. I know WSA is the acronym but for airports, the three digit code WSI is much more important for travellers to be familiar with, especially since it’s a new airport.
It depends a bit who you are talking to: WSI is the IATA Code (which is concerned with airlines as businesses - mostly people come across it as the airport code on their luggage tag or ticket, although it can refer to locations other than airports (not sure but it might be used for places like off-airport luggage dropping points). There is also the ICAO code which is of interest mainly to navigation, operations and pilots. It has four letters, the first is the country (Australia = Y), the second is the Flight Information Area (Sydney and other places roughly in NSW use S) and the last two identify the airport itself. So for Western Sydney Airport it's YSWS and the current Sydney Airport is YSSY. You'll see them used in flight plans, maps, charts, reporting points and so on. However, if you Google official documents (like reports, construction plans etc.) about the airport they usually use WSA (even after WSI was awarded as the IATA Code - Go figure. To confuse it even more, some airports (or older hands working at them) use historical acronyms like KSA (Kingsford Smith Airport). Haven't yet seen anyone reference Nancy Bird Walton (NBW) airport though. As far as being relevant for passengers WSI (or WSI Airport) is probably the most helpful, but it's not especially evil to do otherwise.
Can someone confirm for me if it will open with 7 or 14 gates? Originally I thought it was 7, with two aero bridges per gate. But if 14, there isn't much room for larger aircraft. Flights to SIN will be using at least a A330 or larger, so in that situation is it limited to just one aero bridge? For situations where larger aircraft are at a gate, will there be enough room for adjasent aircraft?
each stand will accommodate the larger aircraft which can be served by two airbridges. or each stand can serve two smaller aircraft each served by a single airbridge. Internally the building is segregated such you can load and unload different aircraft next to one another on the same stand without arrival/departures contamination.
For now. The metro station is actually at the centre of the futuristic airplane terminal. The terminal will wrap all around it in a U shape with a second runway on the other side
If you get a hold of the Airport Site Layout 10 MAP and 82 MAP online you can see how it will be set up for 10 million passengers per year (initially) and for 82 million (roughly expected in the 2060s). It's really interesting to peruse. Those are not gates as such (but if you look at front of the terminal face you can see bay numbers on yellow signs). They are 'piers' and this specific type is a fairly new approach in airport design. Most will have two aerobridges used for boarding, plus door exits for ground/bus boarding at apron level. They can accomodate one wide body jet using two aerobridges, or two domestic size jets using one aerobridge for each, or four smaller aircraft with ground boarding. When two domestic jets are docked, one will have its nose in between the piers, while the other has its nose in to the end of the pier. It will start with the 7 piers, that will give it a capacity like Canberra or Gold Coast. The 'wings' of the first terminal will (as patronage grows) be extended to eventually have about 25 piers, with 82 Map showing about 80 in total, although some may be smaller ground level boarding devices for weather proof boarding of smaller aircraft. Eventually there will be four terminals all interconnected to form a large H pattern between the two parallel runways (some earlier artists impressions may show earlier proposals). The metro station/s (there will be another) are centred just under the 'bar' of the 'H' When you see the place in the flesh it doesn't look small any more, and I find it difficult to imagine it in its final form. A good way (apart from going and getting up close) to see the scale of it is to have a look on Google maps and measure the size of it. Then (while keeping the same scale) scroll across to Sydney Airport and compare it with the size of terminals there.
So how many negative comments and people going to say this time about the airport style and looks oh yeah I forgot another favourite negative comments are it's looks small or its has one runway people need to be more positive and do your own research on the airport stop being lazy good video by the way love the design there you go a positive comment its not hard 😀
The overall shape is there, but there's a long way to go yet. Best part of 2026 will be spent in testing and calibrating everything, especially stuff like the Cat IIIB instrument approach system for auto-landing aircraft in very low visibility. I think setting the target opening date as the last day of 2026 is tempting fate. Some parts have barely been started; For example, there's only a concrete pad on the western side where the aviation rescue and fire-fighting station is to be built. The internal construction of the metro stations are only just commencing and so on.
@@BigJayDogAdventures It's on the western side, several hundred metres SW of the tank farm. It has a road in front that goes right out to the runway. There's also a 'parking area' nearby, which I think is the marshalling area for external emergency services' to assemble and meet the Airport Safety Officers to escort them to the scene. Four firefighting vehicles are on order (Oshkosh Striker Volterras); the first time PHEVs airport appliance are being used in Australia. These are very high performance vehicles designed to reach any part of the movement area in 2 minutes, and quickly create a fire free area around a crashed aircraft to enable safe evacuation/rescue. Aviation Rescue and Firefighting Services (ARFFS) are provided at a federal level by Airservices Australia, the same organisation that provides air traffic control services. A second station will be constructed in the future in a mirrored position to cover the second runway.
It is 80% complete and testing will begin well before 2026. In the latest update it advised testing starting in October. Won’t be long before drone usage in the area will be banned.
@@BigJayDogAdventures I expect there will be people willing to pay you a mega price for your residence leaving you with enough to re settle with a large profit on top. Early days Early days.
For all the critics, I love this airport and have nothing but praise for all those who have worked and recorded keeping us up to date as it has evolved . Thank you to all of you.
Cheers Ron and the workers 👍
Well said 👏 👌
Wow! a lot of progress has been achieved. You can see it taking shape now. Thanks for another amazing video BJD ✈️👍
My pleasure!
Now it’s definitely looking like an airport!✈
Looking good
Looks impressive! Thanks for the update BJD.
No problem 👍
BJD, thanks for another great quality video of our Western Sydney International (Nancy-Bird Walton) Airport. 🤓👍🏼
Cheers mate
From the previous videos of the airport I’ve watched, I see lot’s of improvements! The metro line is also very helpful! It makes travelling to the city much quicker!
Another great vid, JayDog, and good progress on the airport and metro - but the promised commercial development around them seems to be noticeably lacking so far...
Yes Bradfield city has only a visitor centre at this stage with only 2 years to go .
@@BigJayDogAdventures I'm not much enthused about Bradfield, No doubt it will be 'pretty' and pretty expensive, but how a place with maybe 25.000 people becomes a dominant 'third CBD' while surrounded by four centres (Penrith, Blacktown, Fairfield / liverpool and Camden / Campbelltown) EACH already with well over 200,000 people, is a bit of a mystery to me.
Meanwhile there's tonnes of seriously large commercial development along Mamre Rd heading towards Erskine Park, and lots or residential development popping up just further north.
big jay. the original and the best.
😀👍
If my mum were to come and visit, she would definitely complain about how untidy everything is. 😂
Omg
@@BigJayDogAdventures Really, she would!! 😅
Lot of progress. A very informative video love from Pakistan
This airport is to be 24hrs operation, supposedly the metro will be also, but the trains will be shut down between 12 ad 3 am, what do passengers do to get to city or any other part of the Sydney region. You get one or two planes landing in middle of night, and they all won't fit on the Night Ride bus. Better build a lot of hotels and motels in St Marys!
Yes that’s true I guess they will have to alter the existing train schedule from stmarys to city to o accommodate .
The metro is apparently going to run to the same schedule as the train network so you would assume they would have 24/7 busses running to and from the airport from key locations.
Some thoughts:
- only about 20% of passengers are expected to use the train.
- Even if the metro were working very late, the connecting Sydney Trains / Buses would not
- -Domestic flights peak in the morning and evening. These are not discounted and most passengers are travelling for business and drive to the airport. Even so, using the metro to catch a 6am flight is quite do-able.
- Most flights are at times people want to fly or at least tolerate to fly, not some ungodly hour
- West to east may be the hardest. Sydney is 2 hrs behind NZ, and the flight is just over 3 hrs.To arrive in NZ at 6 am, would need to leave Sydney before 1 am, which means getting to the airport about 11 pm. Metro is still running.
- Even at 24 hr airports, departing flights thin out during very late hours
The proposed Singapore flights want to arrive there early in the morning (say 6 am). Need to leave 8 hrs (Sydney Time) before, which is 10 pm - metro is running.
- The exceptions are flights running late (can happen any time) and night freighters (who don't need passenger handling facilities)
- It's far less constrictive than the Sydney Airport curfew, which is 11am to 6am
The metro will be closing down roughly the same as Sydney Trains. If you are using one, they likely figure you will probably want to connect with the other.
I looked up what Melbourne and Brisbane do. They are 24 hr airports with even more limited hours of operation of trains or Skybus.
If WSI has similar flight patterns to them, only one international departure around 5 to 6.30 am would be affected, as trains would not be able to get people there 3 hrs before departure, unless happy with arriving early and accepting a very long wait.
The earliest domestic departure is around 5.30 - so need to arrive by about 4.30 - Currently doable by rail from Penrith, but not quite from Parramatta. (I suspect earlier westbound trains to St Marys will be offered when the airport is opened.)
There are some international departures at around 1, 2 and 3 am, but people had to get there 3 hrs ahead of those times (i.e. while the trains/metro were still running).
A couple of international flights arrive just before and after midnight). That would mean waiting a couple of hours for the Sydney Metro/Trains systems to start, but if you know that's going to be the case most usually plan for it.
There will be hotel at the airport (not cheap) and there are already half a dozen in St Marys or nearby. I think St Marys will really take off as an economy accommodation location, and not just for late flights.
Only about 20% of travellers will be using the Metro when running anyway (based on Sydney and international data). So what other options do people have after it and Sydney Trains stop?
- Do I wait and get an aperitif and an early breakfast?
- Do I think ahead to park there or take a cab (e.g. business travellers on the company expense account)?
- Do I book a room at a localish hotel that offers a free 24 hr airport transfer?
- If I'm on a cheap fare flight for an organised group tour, is it a bus or a limo picking me up?
- Do I ring Cuz to pick me up in his doof-doof Capella?
Looks like the last 14 sections of areal viaducts to go up, I suspect the tracks will be getting laid soon after that.
Great video BJD. Would you mind showing more of the stabling yard that just past Orchard Hills in your next video please?
Ok I tried to see it this time but could not see it
@@BigJayDogAdventures Thanks mate, its the ground works you can see in the distance after you fly over Orchard Hills
It would be nice to hear the thoughts about this airport from Pilots of the major aircraft types ?
A long time since I've flown, and I've worked in other roles at airports for years, but most of it is still very familiar (apart from remote ATC). I'll have a punt if you have some questions, and say I don't know if I don't.
05:45. Solar panels to provide the terminals own electricity? Laurie. NZ. 😊
Real estate prices must be sky-rocketing unless you are under the flight path!
Yes I would assume the area around orchard hills and luddenham will be very lucrative. Claremont meadows is very close to the orchard hills site, so those people will be lucky to
Love the new Bunnings. Looks great guys.
What is that building at the beginning of the Bradfeild city section??
The visitor centre
@@BigJayDogAdventures for Bradfield as a whole?
I thought it was the advanced manufacturing research centre
I am pretty sure many logistics companies will be very happy about it. Due to WSI will operate 24 hours. I am pretty sure many Airport will operate 24 hours once WSI start operation.
Start thinking of a third airport Sydney...it took over 30 years to make this one happen 😢
It will eventually be duplicated when demand necessitates
Great video BJD 👍🏻 I know I’m going to get slaughtered for saying this, but I think it’s best to use WSI rather than WSA. I know WSA is the acronym but for airports, the three digit code WSI is much more important for travellers to be familiar with, especially since it’s a new airport.
Maybe going forward it would make sense
It depends a bit who you are talking to:
WSI is the IATA Code (which is concerned with airlines as businesses - mostly people come across it as the airport code on their luggage tag or ticket, although it can refer to locations other than airports (not sure but it might be used for places like off-airport luggage dropping points).
There is also the ICAO code which is of interest mainly to navigation, operations and pilots. It has four letters, the first is the country (Australia = Y), the second is the Flight Information Area (Sydney and other places roughly in NSW use S) and the last two identify the airport itself. So for Western Sydney Airport it's YSWS and the current Sydney Airport is YSSY. You'll see them used in flight plans, maps, charts, reporting points and so on.
However, if you Google official documents (like reports, construction plans etc.) about the airport they usually use WSA (even after WSI was awarded as the IATA Code - Go figure. To confuse it even more, some airports (or older hands working at them) use historical acronyms like KSA (Kingsford Smith Airport). Haven't yet seen anyone reference Nancy Bird Walton (NBW) airport though.
As far as being relevant for passengers WSI (or WSI Airport) is probably the most helpful, but it's not especially evil to do otherwise.
@@tacitdionysus3220WSI Airport sounds good thanks
Can someone confirm for me if it will open with 7 or 14 gates? Originally I thought it was 7, with two aero bridges per gate. But if 14, there isn't much room for larger aircraft. Flights to SIN will be using at least a A330 or larger, so in that situation is it limited to just one aero bridge? For situations where larger aircraft are at a gate, will there be enough room for adjasent aircraft?
each stand will accommodate the larger aircraft which can be served by two airbridges. or each stand can serve two smaller aircraft each served by a single airbridge. Internally the building is segregated such you can load and unload different aircraft next to one another on the same stand without arrival/departures contamination.
Great update. Surprised at how small the airport looks. Is has 14 gates, right?
It’s bigger in real life
13 Gates. The northern air bridge has only one gate.
For now. The metro station is actually at the centre of the futuristic airplane terminal. The terminal will wrap all around it in a U shape with a second runway on the other side
If you get a hold of the Airport Site Layout 10 MAP and 82 MAP online you can see how it will be set up for 10 million passengers per year (initially) and for 82 million (roughly expected in the 2060s). It's really interesting to peruse.
Those are not gates as such (but if you look at front of the terminal face you can see bay numbers on yellow signs). They are 'piers' and this specific type is a fairly new approach in airport design. Most will have two aerobridges used for boarding, plus door exits for ground/bus boarding at apron level. They can accomodate one wide body jet using two aerobridges, or two domestic size jets using one aerobridge for each, or four smaller aircraft with ground boarding. When two domestic jets are docked, one will have its nose in between the piers, while the other has its nose in to the end of the pier.
It will start with the 7 piers, that will give it a capacity like Canberra or Gold Coast. The 'wings' of the first terminal will (as patronage grows) be extended to eventually have about 25 piers, with 82 Map showing about 80 in total, although some may be smaller ground level boarding devices for weather proof boarding of smaller aircraft. Eventually there will be four terminals all interconnected to form a large H pattern between the two parallel runways (some earlier artists impressions may show earlier proposals). The metro station/s (there will be another) are centred just under the 'bar' of the 'H'
When you see the place in the flesh it doesn't look small any more, and I find it difficult to imagine it in its final form. A good way (apart from going and getting up close) to see the scale of it is to have a look on Google maps and measure the size of it. Then (while keeping the same scale) scroll across to Sydney Airport and compare it with the size of terminals there.
So how many negative comments and people going to say this time about the airport style and looks oh yeah I forgot another favourite negative comments are it's looks small or its has one runway people need to be more positive and do your own research on the airport stop being lazy good video by the way love the design there you go a positive comment its not hard 😀
😂👍
@@BigJayDogAdventures cheers BJD 🍻
Won’t all the solar panels on the roof of the airport put dangerous glare into the eyes of pilots landing?
After your comment I have noticed that all solar panels are laid flat perhaps for this reason 👍
Wait until they get a decent sized hail storm. Won't be a problem then.
The airport is all but finished but it's inaccessible with neither the highway nor the metro finished so we have to wait two more years at least
Yes agree
The overall shape is there, but there's a long way to go yet. Best part of 2026 will be spent in testing and calibrating everything, especially stuff like the Cat IIIB instrument approach system for auto-landing aircraft in very low visibility. I think setting the target opening date as the last day of 2026 is tempting fate. Some parts have barely been started; For example, there's only a concrete pad on the western side where the aviation rescue and fire-fighting station is to be built. The internal construction of the metro stations are only just commencing and so on.
@@tacitdionysus3220I must keep an eye out for this concrete pad to be the aviation rescue centre thanks
@@BigJayDogAdventures It's on the western side, several hundred metres SW of the tank farm. It has a road in front that goes right out to the runway. There's also a 'parking area' nearby, which I think is the marshalling area for external emergency services' to assemble and meet the Airport Safety Officers to escort them to the scene.
Four firefighting vehicles are on order (Oshkosh Striker Volterras); the first time PHEVs airport appliance are being used in Australia. These are very high performance vehicles designed to reach any part of the movement area in 2 minutes, and quickly create a fire free area around a crashed aircraft to enable safe evacuation/rescue.
Aviation Rescue and Firefighting Services (ARFFS) are provided at a federal level by Airservices Australia, the same organisation that provides air traffic control services. A second station will be constructed in the future in a mirrored position to cover the second runway.
It is 80% complete and testing will begin well before 2026. In the latest update it advised testing starting in October. Won’t be long before drone usage in the area will be banned.
WSI, not WSA
Ok thanks
Is going to get noisy and properties going to loose values.
Nah properties will not loose
@@BigJayDogAdventures I expect there will be people willing to pay you a mega price for your residence leaving you with enough to re settle with a large profit on top. Early days Early days.
Let’s build a garden shed all Australia can be proud off🥹🥲😝