I tried Gallery for the first time a couple weeks ago on a cabinet job. I really liked how fast and hard it dried. I was worried about runs on the cabinet body as I heard it was on the thin side, but really had no issues, one small run on the first coat. What I did notice like you said in the video is that two coats often didn't hide the red bondo. If you put it on too thick the finish will crackle, so I think in the future I will plan on priming, bondo, 2nd prime coat and then 2 finish coats.
Yes definitely best to prime before and after bondo 👌🏻otherwise 3 topcoats required with extra white. If it’s an off white or creamy color coverage is much better
Thanks for taking the time to produce this. I’m doing my first cabinet job with the gallery product. I have shot a few test pieces and found the scratch resistance to be excellent.
Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge. Love Command (but would not use it for cabinets). Gallery pinholed for me when sprayed both with TriTech T5 and QuickShot. Didn't matter what tip, room temp, etc. Just nasty solvent trapping. Moved on to Envirolak and never looked back.
Thanks for watching. I wouldn’t use command either however wanted to compare fastest drying product from main suppliers in our area. That sucks Gallery did not perform for you. I’ve only had success with it. Sounds like you were having humidity issues which I’ve had with other products. There is nothing worse! Envirolac is a wonderful product
Gallery series is better imo. To me, scratch resistance is huge on cabs. 5 dollars more, and then having to tint primer for coverage over bondo etc. That command scuffed with just a credit card!
Yes great point scratch and chemical resistance is very important! However I would be interested in scratching the command again after 1 month as it’s a water based urethane alkyd and anything “alkyd” with oil resins will take forever to harden. Either way when cabinet painting we don’t have a month for things to cure/harden making Gallery the better of the two 💪
I got some gallery to test for some cabinets I have to paint, but on the test piece I did, it looks good, but it doesn't seem so dorable. I did the credit card test and it scratches pretty easy, and when I try to clean the surface with a magic eraser it dulls the paint and lightly removes some of it. The paint color was tricon black, and I used shellac white BIN primer on it. I did 2 coats primer (sand in between) and 2 coats paint. What do you suggest I should do differently to have better results? I have using my quickshot with a 310 tip (not water down paint or anything, just using it as is).
We waited 72 hours before testing and probably should wait 21 days on dark colors before fully cured. If you over apply the product especially with dark colors it can take up to 30 days. My test was done 72 hours after application and I applied 2 light even coats over raw MDF which probably helped absorb the product and cure over time. If your applying over lacquered oak or Maple that will slow down full cure as well
Thank you for this in-depth comparison. I've been using Command for some time now however it appears I have to delve into Gallery. I've had issues spraying the command with my Graco Quickshot where very small bubbles (not craters) will form. With slight thinning, and spraying through a .208 at setting 7, this seemed to do the trick, but I'm always a bit concerned. Can you shed light on your spraying tip and pressure used? Thank you.
I use gallery through the QS often I put pressure at 7,8 and use a Graco 310 fflp tip with flawless results also spray through my new Graco 490xt at 1800 psi with same tip for flawless results. It could be your tip. Also if you put it on too soon and primer or first coat are still drying can cause the craters as it’s off gassing through the new coat but if your waiting the full amount of dry time with proper temperature in room I’ve had issues with humidity causing the same issue. Not with gallery or command but with centurion 1k/2k.
I deal with these solvent trapping problems as well. Even first coat, over primer that was applied days ago. And scuff sanded that day. Worked with the rep, who even called the hotline. As much as I hate mail order, I moved on to Envirolak and never looked back.
Great video! How long did it take for the Command paint to fully cure so that no marks were left? I painted some cabinets four days ago, but they're still showing marks.
Great question Command is loaded with oil resins and oil takes longer to cure. If the color is white it with harden quicker maybe 7-14 days if the color is dark 21-30 days but all depends on temperature in the home . The more colorant loaded in can of paint and the colder the home the slower the cure time. 🤘😎🤘 thank you for watching!
Awesome video. I noticed you said that BM Advance was KCMA certified however that is not the case. You will not find it marketed anywhere, even from Ben Moore.
You are correct! there aren’t any KCMA certified cabinet paints at all. I misspoke in a couple of my videos as many people do. After further investigation last year I found out that the certification is for cabinets. If you build cabinets with quality craftsmanship, construction and apply proper coatings the cabinets as a whole will receive this KCMA certification. Now that being said there are certainly coatings that are approved to meet this certification and Advance is one of them. But there aren’t any paints with KCMA certification only paints that “meet”KCMA test requirements for hardness and resistance to household chemicals. Once those coatings are applied to the cabinets the cabinets will receive the certification
We have too, we don’t use it everywhere, but on some of the lower to medium end jobs, it fits the bill. It dries extremely hard very quickly. Just stay away from the deep bases they do not hold up the same.
I never take a chance when doing cabinets.. ALWAYS prime with zinzer oil base primer. And use a paint with urethane in it. I use EMERALD SEMI- GLOSS WITH URETHANE. It sprays on like butter. Beautiful finish.
Oil is always a full proof choice if you and your customers don’t mind the smell. However Gallery is a better product for cabinets in many categories. Better scratch resistance, better chemical resistance and faster dry/ cure time.
I've done about 150 sets with true shellac prime and Emerald Urethane. Almost can't be beat. But I still wanna get Gallery in a test. Only hold up is I typically brush frames so Emerald Urethane might even need to be used for that but we shall see
Thanks for this video! Im looking at switching to gallery, command is finicky and dries with microfoam stuck in the finish. I usually spray doors with graco hvlp and roll/brush shells. How does gallery do with brush and roller?
No problem! It’s not as good as Sirca or milesi brushing and rolling but it’s definitely doable if you put it on quick. We use a 1/4 or 3/8 nap microfiber for best results
We are currently using the New Gallery Primer with Gallery Topcoat. If any tannins are present we use White Shellac to seal in (usually spot prime with a rattle can)
update, i went with the command for kitchen cabnets, really good paint, tough as nails. i used a roller and brush paint in cooler weather as it does dry fast, cooler temp will give you a little more working time. again its tough paint
They are not built to last for sure. The gun and pump are both prone to malfunction. I got around 90 gallons through it before the pump went out. However they are easy to fix and worth fixing in my opinion. I love how it sprays and is wonderful for small project, front doors, bathroom vanities ect.
Sweet test man! Been wanting to test these head to head myself. We've been using Command for awhile. Our SW can't seem to keep enough Gallery in stock for a full cabinet refinishing project. Liked and subscribed
Thank you 🙏 Yes it’s been a struggle finding deep base but seems to be more white base floating around now. I appreciate the sub and I follow you on FB and Instagram
Pretty sure the data sheet says SW extreme block primer. Sherwin White shellac is better for woods with tannins. Renner coatings and Gemini Evo make fantastic waterborne primers that we’ve been using as a sealer with great success aswell
Wow gallery seems like a tough product for a 1K paint. I used it for the first time two days ago and I’m super impressed over Benjamin Moore advance. I have six years experience with advance and may be 50 projects and I will be using gallery after using it just one time on cabinets. What about using the sayerlac crosslinker with gallery to make a 2K. SW should still carry it in their catalog.
It definitely speeds up the process switching from advance and I agree great product! Ithe crosdlinker is coming soon along with a matching primer I’m told just not sure when. You can get the crosslinker through your sw rep but not a lot around locally
I would love to do a breakthrough test maybe vs Scuffx. I know a lot of guys use these products that aren’t traditional cabinet coatings but work well enough
I have used Stix with the command but Benjamin Moore said command can be used without primer as long as the prep is clean so I tried it to see and it was just as tough as when I used primer , I was shocked . Saves another step and time of course.
Great video, very informative! I am about to paint my kitchen and have a few questions. I am gonna buy the quickshot to paint the kitchen but have no idea about how much sqft do you get to spray with the Quickshot everytime you fill it up, while utilizing the FFLP tip? Usually I roll paint the cabinets, so need to estimate how much paint I need accurately. Thanks for your help! ps. Planning on using the gallery series
Thank you for the feedback! The quart cup will get you through 10-12 doors per coat. So for two coats you can roughly paint 20-24 doors with one gallon. Most kitchens take 1-2 gallons of primer and 2-3 gallons of paint to complete
Both products will stick to caulk just fine. If you want to paint over it quickly you will need a fast dry like 1050QD otherwise it will leave a hairline crack if you don’t allow the caulking to fully dry. If you have time to let the caulking dry from Sherwin you could use 950A or Shermax from Ben Moore I like the Tower Tech or Allpro Elastomeric caulking. The slower drying products will tool much better but they are 1-2 hour dry time before painting
@mallerpaintingcompany5126 Oh wow awesome! I have no immediate rush on it drying fast. I can calk it and paint it a day or two later. So I will try those slow drying options. Thanks!
No. It’s not close to Kem Aqua plus. Gallery kills Kem Aqua plus. Kem Aqua is shit. I used it for 3 years…. I really really hope the people that I used Kem Aqua plus on never call me back when it goes to shit.
I tried gallery last week on a large set of repaint kitchen cabinets. Gallery says its self sealing; No need for primer. But it fish eyed a lot. It took 4 coats. Next time, we will be using primer. We used oil primer for 200 cabinet sets. Ohio outawed oil primer. Now we will be using Extreme block by SW. Or shellac. What primer dyall like?
Yes it’s always best to prime! Our rep started by telling us no primer needed. But a month or so later he retracted and told us we better prime lol. Waterbased we use the Sherwood Gen 2 universal primer, Gemini Evo Primer sometimes extreme block. Also Renner has the best waterbased primer out in my opinion but still can’t get locally. Solvent based primer we use shellac or easy sands but try and use as little as possible or as needed for tannins.
i hate command and love it. sometimes it works amazing other times its a hot mess. for some odd reason its the only paint they causes micro bubbles even when brushing these mini bubbles form and because it dries so damn fast they pop and leave behind bubble rings. ive tried many didnt thing and idk what causes it but ill never use it again. shake the can and watch all the bubbles form. it could be a humidity thing here in jersey but its happened in warm and cold
Same. The microbubbles are a total job killer. I've used command exclusively for about 3 years. Spraying with graco 9.5 hvlp in negative pressure clean room. Sometimes minimal bubbling, sometimes dries like there's sand in the paint. Also have used titan 540 with 312 tip, not as many bubbles but still there. Command also cracks over caulk no matter how many days it's dried. I'm wondering if gallery also has microfoam/bubble problems?
I've had micro bubbles only rolling with Command, usually only in white, 1x and 2x bases. I always use a 410fflp tip out of my airless for Command. No cracking over fast dry caulking like top gun 250, 1050qd or quick2coat. When rolling I use cabinet coat with some extender, no bubbles ever.
Nice testing bro! I am doing similar tests with wall paints at my shop right now. I would be interested to know how both do for an oil exposure test like crisco or olive oil- emerald urethane failed badly compared to Ben Moore products- cabinet coat, advance and command in some testing done by Klappenberger & sons. Also a mustard stain test on the white samples will show which is more stain resistant and washable. Also let's see which one touches up better with a brush/roller. Film those 3 tests for a part 2 video please! Keep up the good work!
Evo is a fantastic product with a wonderful matching primer. And the centurion primer worked great however we had issues with the centurion topcoat both 1k and 2k and I will never use it again too many good products to fiddle with that finicky topcoat.
Please compare the gallery to a 2k paint. SW claims gallery is the same quality. Really like to use the local available any time paint vs ordering. Thanks.
I saw a great comparison on You Tube of Gallery vs Renner it’s 40 minutes long. Also Gallery can be catalyzed with the Sayerlack hardener making it of the same quality.
Command no doubt. Its not cheap tho, well worth the money. Its made for industrial use, so if it has take those kinds of abuse, you know itll protect your cabinets !! PREP is KEY !!
Iv been using gallery for a year now. It’s the best paint I have used in 9 years. It drys fast (around 20 minutes depending on the environment. Sometimes sooner.)It’s thick. Sprays nicely in my Graco gx 19 with a 210 ff tip. Also sprays nicely in my Graco 9.5 finish pro with a #2 tip/needle. There’s a weird thing or 2 I don’t like about Gallery. If you leave gallery in your sprayer over night and use it the next day, it sprays weird and have a different texture. Pitting. So now I clean my guns out the same day. Gallery is about $130 a gallon. I get it for 94$ from Sherwin.
Yes weve used a lot of Evo it’s a fantastic product with a fantastic matching primer. If I could still source it locally we’d probably still use it. I think they are pretty comparable as far as user ability and durability however we’re getting Gallery cheaper and can purchase locally with ease.
unfortunately BOTH orange peeled a bit due to fast drying time I guess ...... durability is very important , but Emerald levels out much better .... I wonder how IT would compare ...... as for Advance , forget about it , might as well use oil if you're going to mess with that stuff
The orange peel you are seeing is from the cheap MDF grain raise a scuff sand between coats would have eliminated that. But either way emerald does level better as it’s a slow dry which should be a no brainer.
@@mallerpaintingcompany MDF "grain raise" doesn't "orange peel" , it "roughens like sandpaper when grain is raised , gets fuzzy" , there's a difference .....That orange peel is NOT from "MDF raised Grain" it's the paint not leveling well ....... no-brainer
We didn’t use advance in this test. We used Command. Command states on data sheet “return to service” in 24hrs. I agree if we would have waited a lot longer command would perform better however with cabinet painting being able to stack and install cabinets within 72 hrs without worrying about getting scratches is important!
Gallery or Gemini Evo would be my top choice for 1k products and Renner or Milesi would be my top choice for 2k products. Thanks for the feedback and watching the video 🤘😎🤘
I love the centurion primer but had some really awful issues with there products pin bubbling. Which im told by the centurion rep is due to humidity. We did everything by the book in a pro spray booth. He also said it’s a known issue and happens often. I tried it twice had the same issues both times so unfortunately I will never use their topcoat again as I have many others that I never have issues with
I have a paint stick with command on it , will not mar using my fingernail or a credit card , ZERO marring , BUT , this paint stick sample is a year old !!!! ..... The problem with these tests sometimes is some of these paints require a long time to fully cure and harden , I'm talking a month ...... "24 hours" ain't gonna cut it , so I can see the SW certainly did better immediately , but try it again in a month and see what happens ..... they say "two weeks" , but in my opinion these kinds of paints just keep hardening and it will even be more durable in a month or a year ...... I've had these paint stick samples for a long time , every time I check them they seem harder and "stuck better" , I have a sample of Breakthrough on a damn ceramic tile you cannot scratch off !!!!!! no joke
You are correct anything with oil resins will take longer to harden. But the data sheet says cured in 72 hours on command and I waited 72 hours to compare. However that’s without colorant we all know adding colorant extends the cure time so I would think the white should have not scratched after 3 days? But your right probably would have performed better in scratch test after 1 month but when painting cabinets waiting a month for full cure is a disadvantage in my opinion
@@mallerpaintingcompany I understand , try putting samples on paint sticks , and just store them away , you will find they get even harder after "72 hours" , I know it sounds strange and maybe this is all just my imagination , but seems like every time I mess with those sticks , and I have a ton of samples , they seem to be harder and harder ...... The Breakthrough sample is like a damn rock !!!! lol but I put that one on kinda thick too .... I think Command is similar to Breakthrough (from what I understand)
@@mallerpaintingcompany and yes I understand no one wants to wait months , but there is durability there after 24 48 72 hours , I'm just saying it gets even MORE durable after a month , two months , six months ..... but it's durable ENOUGH after a few days
Thanks for watching however I disagree. Both brush and roll equally. Both dry in the same amount of time. They aren’t designed to be rolled but a skilled painter could make either product work if needed. However if I were rolling I wouldn’t choose either product as Advance or Emerald are more suited for this application.
@@mallerpaintingcompany command is designed to be rolled and brushed even the official Ben Moore advertisement for the product shows this. Gallery can be brushed but the color will be off if the product is not atomized correctly through pressure. Great video
The test is flawed. It needs to have a true primer. It needs the correct dry time, and sanding between the coats. And 3 coats (with a better rig) that is for cabinets.
Adding a primer wouldn’t have any affect on dry time, trying to scratch the surface after 72 hrs or the use of a chemical on the surface after 72hrs. If it was a test to see which coating a can make look better than it would have been performed much differently. With primer, sanding between coats and a better sprayer.
The primer adds significantly to the strength of the finish, when sanded and dried properly, then sanding between about 3 coats if you use an HVLP. You should use the manufactures spec sheet for each product because you are following the manufacturer's intentions. The test that some others are using is to score the surface and put tape on it and pull off the (duct tape) the prime will make a big difference. I think your test is helpful, but it leaves me with doubts. I saw another test on Gallery, and it was beaten by Renner 851. But it did not deter me from wanting to use Gallery in some cases. I'm impressed by using 409.
@@mallerpaintingcompany I got comped a gallon of Command satin, I see what you mean, I can't use it with the lines, but there is a commercial line that must be the one that people are saying is super stong, but most of us are not able to get or want that. BTW, there is a Saylerlack crosslinker for Gallery, but it goes bad after a year--.05-1 percent. It might make it even better.
This test is EXTREMELY flawed. Comparing solids between a paint and a spray only cabinet finish is hilarious. Sanding them both between coats at 45 minutes would show the Gallery producing a factory finish. Also flipping them after an hour or so would show huge advantage to the Gallery. I could go on and on. Price goes to Gallery when you see how much time that saves.
To your first point I’m comparing both brands best quick dry product in a head to head as these are both paint companies best product for producing a set of cabinets in my opinion. Yes the Gallery is a water based acrylic lacquer and command is a waterbased urethane alkyd however BM doesn’t have any other options to compare. Second point - Sanding between coats would show them both have a factory finish.3rd we hang and spray both side at once but you are correct if you were to spray one side at a time Gallery would have the advantage if it covers in 2 coats the command covers much better and would argue it might go quicker only needing 2 coats per Gallery’s 3 coats as gallery does not cover as well 4. Price per “gallon” goes to BM command. There are flawes in every test this was just my test and what I was interested in seeing.
The c2 paint that fails miserably in all my own tests and on Klappenbergers youtube channel, even as a 2k it cant hang with command, advance and cabinet coat. And emerald urethane washes off the samples like its chb. 😂
Awesome video, not a lot of painters doing RUclips videos of this quality. Keep it up, you’ve got a subscribe from me. 💪
Thank you my friend! 💪
I tried Gallery for the first time a couple weeks ago on a cabinet job. I really liked how fast and hard it dried. I was worried about runs on the cabinet body as I heard it was on the thin side, but really had no issues, one small run on the first coat. What I did notice like you said in the video is that two coats often didn't hide the red bondo. If you put it on too thick the finish will crackle, so I think in the future I will plan on priming, bondo, 2nd prime coat and then 2 finish coats.
Yes definitely best to prime before and after bondo 👌🏻otherwise 3 topcoats required with extra white. If it’s an off white or creamy color coverage is much better
Well that is the right way to do it for a reason!
Thanks for taking the time to produce this. I’m doing my first cabinet job with the gallery product. I have shot a few test pieces and found the scratch resistance to be excellent.
You’re going to love it! It’s a fantastic product 💪
Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge. Love Command (but would not use it for cabinets). Gallery pinholed for me when sprayed both with TriTech T5 and QuickShot. Didn't matter what tip, room temp, etc. Just nasty solvent trapping. Moved on to Envirolak and never looked back.
Thanks for watching. I wouldn’t use command either however wanted to compare fastest drying product from main suppliers in our area. That sucks Gallery did not perform for you. I’ve only had success with it. Sounds like you were having humidity issues which I’ve had with other products. There is nothing worse! Envirolac is a wonderful product
Wow! I liked watching the scratch test.
Yay thanks for watching 🤘😊🤘
Gallery series is better imo. To me, scratch resistance is huge on cabs. 5 dollars more, and then having to tint primer for coverage over bondo etc. That command scuffed with just a credit card!
Yes great point scratch and chemical resistance is very important! However I would be interested in scratching the command again after 1 month as it’s a water based urethane alkyd and anything “alkyd” with oil resins will take forever to harden. Either way when cabinet painting we don’t have a month for things to cure/harden making Gallery the better of the two 💪
What primer do you recommend?
Shellac primer is really good cover stain for bleed marks
BIN shellac or XIM urethane modifier primer work great.
I got some gallery to test for some cabinets I have to paint, but on the test piece I did, it looks good, but it doesn't seem so dorable. I did the credit card test and it scratches pretty easy, and when I try to clean the surface with a magic eraser it dulls the paint and lightly removes some of it. The paint color was tricon black, and I used shellac white BIN primer on it. I did 2 coats primer (sand in between) and 2 coats paint. What do you suggest I should do differently to have better results? I have using my quickshot with a 310 tip (not water down paint or anything, just using it as is).
We waited 72 hours before testing and probably should wait 21 days on dark colors before fully cured. If you over apply the product especially with dark colors it can take up to 30 days. My test was done 72 hours after application and I applied 2 light even coats over raw MDF which probably helped absorb the product and cure over time. If your applying over lacquered oak or Maple that will slow down full cure as well
ok i see your video for primer for vabinet,,you talk abour sher-wwod 5421w gen2,, but do you find something same in benjamin moore ??
Benjamin Moore does not have a waterbased cabinet primer that is as good as the Gen 2. Or any others on the “best water based primers I produced.
Thank you for this in-depth comparison. I've been using Command for some time now however it appears I have to delve into Gallery. I've had issues spraying the command with my Graco Quickshot where very small bubbles (not craters) will form. With slight thinning, and spraying through a .208 at setting 7, this seemed to do the trick, but I'm always a bit concerned. Can you shed light on your spraying tip and pressure used? Thank you.
I use gallery through the QS often I put pressure at 7,8 and use a Graco 310 fflp tip with flawless results also spray through my new Graco 490xt at 1800 psi with same tip for flawless results. It could be your tip. Also if you put it on too soon and primer or first coat are still drying can cause the craters as it’s off gassing through the new coat but if your waiting the full amount of dry time with proper temperature in room I’ve had issues with humidity causing the same issue. Not with gallery or command but with centurion 1k/2k.
@@mallerpaintingcompany Thank you for taking the time to walk me through this.
I deal with these solvent trapping problems as well. Even first coat, over primer that was applied days ago. And scuff sanded that day. Worked with the rep, who even called the hotline. As much as I hate mail order, I moved on to Envirolak and never looked back.
This is very insightful !! It'll help me to make good decisions in the future. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching 🤘😎🤘
Great video! How long did it take for the Command paint to fully cure so that no marks were left?
I painted some cabinets four days ago, but they're still showing marks.
Great question Command is loaded with oil resins and oil takes longer to cure. If the color is white it with harden quicker maybe 7-14 days if the color is dark 21-30 days but all depends on temperature in the home . The more colorant loaded in can of paint and the colder the home the slower the cure time. 🤘😎🤘 thank you for watching!
@@mallerpaintingcompany I did a dark green which is Base4, so will likely take a while. Thanks for your reply!
Awesome video. I noticed you said that BM Advance was KCMA certified however that is not the case. You will not find it marketed anywhere, even from Ben Moore.
You are correct! there aren’t any KCMA certified cabinet paints at all. I misspoke in a couple of my videos as many people do. After further investigation last year I found out that the certification is for cabinets. If you build cabinets with quality craftsmanship, construction and apply proper coatings the cabinets as a whole will receive this KCMA certification. Now that being said there are certainly coatings that are approved to meet this certification and Advance is one of them. But there aren’t any paints with KCMA certification only paints that “meet”KCMA test requirements for hardness and resistance to household chemicals. Once those coatings are applied to the cabinets the cabinets will receive the certification
I've been using Scuff-X with great results!
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We have too, we don’t use it everywhere, but on some of the lower to medium end jobs, it fits the bill. It dries extremely hard very quickly. Just stay away from the deep bases they do not hold up the same.
great video, im getting ready to do kitchen cabinets i think im going with the command, seemed to get great reviews everywhere. great review.
Thanks for watching 💪
I never take a chance when doing cabinets.. ALWAYS prime with zinzer oil base primer. And use a paint with urethane in it. I use EMERALD SEMI- GLOSS WITH URETHANE. It sprays on like butter. Beautiful finish.
Oil is always a full proof choice if you and your customers don’t mind the smell. However Gallery is a better product for cabinets in many categories. Better scratch resistance, better chemical resistance and faster dry/ cure time.
Why are you still using Emerald when we have Gallery now?
I've done about 150 sets with true shellac prime and Emerald Urethane. Almost can't be beat. But I still wanna get Gallery in a test. Only hold up is I typically brush frames so Emerald Urethane might even need to be used for that but we shall see
Krud kutter removes emerald rapidly
Emerald is not a cab paint, it’s actually not even that great. Just because it sprays nice doesn’t mean it’s actually nice.
Thanks for this video! Im looking at switching to gallery, command is finicky and dries with microfoam stuck in the finish. I usually spray doors with graco hvlp and roll/brush shells. How does gallery do with brush and roller?
No problem! It’s not as good as Sirca or milesi brushing and rolling but it’s definitely doable if you put it on quick. We use a 1/4 or 3/8 nap microfiber for best results
hi,, what do you use like primer on the cabinet???
We are currently using the New Gallery Primer with Gallery Topcoat. If any tannins are present we use White Shellac to seal in (usually spot prime with a rattle can)
update, i went with the command for kitchen cabnets, really good paint, tough as nails. i used a roller and brush paint in cooler weather as it does dry fast, cooler temp will give you a little more working time. again its tough paint
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Been spraying lacquers for about 24 years. Gallery series changed everything . That’s all I’m using . Waterborne lacquer
It’s definitely nice to quit spraying solvents. I’ve lost some brain power from it, I’m sure of it 🤣
Is the Gallery series waterborne lacquer 1k or 2k?
@@noelle1314 2k
@@noelle1314 good stuff . Just prime with shellac and you’ll be good .
@@noelle1314 also tiny the primer to color that’s desire and you’ll have no problem
How's that little sprayer hold up i heard they break often
They are not built to last for sure. The gun and pump are both prone to malfunction. I got around 90 gallons through it before the pump went out. However they are easy to fix and worth fixing in my opinion. I love how it sprays and is wonderful for small project, front doors, bathroom vanities ect.
Sweet test man! Been wanting to test these head to head myself. We've been using Command for awhile. Our SW can't seem to keep enough Gallery in stock for a full cabinet refinishing project. Liked and subscribed
Thank you 🙏 Yes it’s been a struggle finding deep base but seems to be more white base floating around now. I appreciate the sub and I follow you on FB and Instagram
Did you have to add water to get better spray flow or use the paint directly from the cans?
No thinning necessarily with either product. Both spray great from can
What tip size did you use on the quickshot?
310 fflp
What primer we can use on the gallery paint?
Pretty sure the data sheet says SW extreme block primer. Sherwin White shellac is better for woods with tannins. Renner coatings and Gemini Evo make fantastic waterborne primers that we’ve been using as a sealer with great success aswell
@@mallerpaintingcompany thanks
Was the gallery in the navy a clear or deep base?
Yes both were clear base tinted to SW Naval.
Wow gallery seems like a tough product for a 1K paint. I used it for the first time two days ago and I’m super impressed over Benjamin Moore advance. I have six years experience with advance and may be 50 projects and I will be using gallery after using it just one time on cabinets.
What about using the sayerlac crosslinker with gallery to make a 2K. SW should still carry it in their catalog.
It definitely speeds up the process switching from advance and I agree great product! Ithe crosdlinker is coming soon along with a matching primer I’m told just not sure when. You can get the crosslinker through your sw rep but not a lot around locally
I wonder how would PPG Breakthrough would fare in this test..
I would love to do a breakthrough test maybe vs Scuffx. I know a lot of guys use these products that aren’t traditional cabinet coatings but work well enough
Yeah, that Sherwin Williams gallery series suggest a 3 coat application.
Yes we’ve been doing 3 with white colors or you can do two coats of primer with red bondo in between coats
What primer is compatible with Command? I heard you shouldnt use water based primer on Mdf?
Cover coat or BIN will work great
I have used Stix with the command but Benjamin Moore said command can be used without primer as long as the prep is clean so I tried it to see and it was just as tough as when I used primer , I was shocked . Saves another step and time of course.
Great video, very informative! I am about to paint my kitchen and have a few questions. I am gonna buy the quickshot to paint the kitchen but have no idea about how much sqft do you get to spray with the Quickshot everytime you fill it up, while utilizing the FFLP tip? Usually I roll paint the cabinets, so need to estimate how much paint I need accurately. Thanks for your help! ps. Planning on using the gallery series
Thank you for the feedback! The quart cup will get you through 10-12 doors per coat. So for two coats you can roughly paint 20-24 doors with one gallon. Most kitchens take 1-2 gallons of primer and 2-3 gallons of paint to complete
@mallerpaintingcompany5126 how well does this paint take on calk? And which one would you recommend so it's seamless
Both products will stick to caulk just fine. If you want to paint over it quickly you will need a fast dry like 1050QD otherwise it will leave a hairline crack if you don’t allow the caulking to fully dry. If you have time to let the caulking dry from Sherwin you could use 950A or Shermax from Ben Moore I like the Tower Tech or Allpro Elastomeric caulking. The slower drying products will tool much better but they are 1-2 hour dry time before painting
@mallerpaintingcompany5126 Oh wow awesome! I have no immediate rush on it drying fast. I can calk it and paint it a day or two later. So I will try those slow drying options. Thanks!
No prob!
Is gallery just a rebrand of kema aqua plus? used that before one one kitchen and worked amazing with my 3 stage hvlp
It’s actually a rebrand of the old Sayerlack and can be catalyzed with Sayerlack hardener so I’ve heard
No. It’s not close to Kem Aqua plus. Gallery kills Kem Aqua plus. Kem Aqua is shit. I used it for 3 years…. I really really hope the people that I used Kem Aqua plus on never call me back when it goes to shit.
I tried gallery last week on a large set of repaint kitchen cabinets. Gallery says its self sealing; No need for primer. But it fish eyed a lot. It took 4 coats. Next time, we will be using primer. We used oil primer for 200 cabinet sets. Ohio outawed oil primer. Now we will be using Extreme block by SW. Or shellac. What primer dyall like?
Yes it’s always best to prime! Our rep started by telling us no primer needed. But a month or so later he retracted and told us we better prime lol. Waterbased we use the Sherwood Gen 2 universal primer, Gemini Evo Primer sometimes extreme block. Also Renner has the best waterbased primer out in my opinion but still can’t get locally. Solvent based primer we use shellac or easy sands but try and use as little as possible or as needed for tannins.
Love the way the extreme block sands down
BIN it to win it! No other primer even comes close, I've tried many, keep going back to old faithful BIN.
White pigmented shellac. But clean extremely well before and get a 400 grit sand in, tack cloth light. Boom
Not sure where you live at in Ohio, but I can still get zinnser oil based primer from Lowe's or Menards. I live in Columbus.
i hate command and love it. sometimes it works amazing other times its a hot mess. for some odd reason its the only paint they causes micro bubbles even when brushing these mini bubbles form and because it dries so damn fast they pop and leave behind bubble rings. ive tried many didnt thing and idk what causes it but ill never use it again. shake the can and watch all the bubbles form. it could be a humidity thing here in jersey but its happened in warm and cold
Yes I do believe that is a humidity issue. We’ve had the same issue with centurion several times
Same. The microbubbles are a total job killer. I've used command exclusively for about 3 years. Spraying with graco 9.5 hvlp in negative pressure clean room. Sometimes minimal bubbling, sometimes dries like there's sand in the paint. Also have used titan 540 with 312 tip, not as many bubbles but still there. Command also cracks over caulk no matter how many days it's dried. I'm wondering if gallery also has microfoam/bubble problems?
I've had micro bubbles only rolling with Command, usually only in white, 1x and 2x bases. I always use a 410fflp tip out of my airless for Command. No cracking over fast dry caulking like top gun 250, 1050qd or quick2coat. When rolling I use cabinet coat with some extender, no bubbles ever.
Nice testing bro! I am doing similar tests with wall paints at my shop right now. I would be interested to know how both do for an oil exposure test like crisco or olive oil- emerald urethane failed badly compared to Ben Moore products- cabinet coat, advance and command in some testing done by Klappenberger & sons. Also a mustard stain test on the white samples will show which is more stain resistant and washable. Also let's see which one touches up better with a brush/roller. Film those 3 tests for a part 2 video please! Keep up the good work!
Great idea I’ve got the samples and am definitely interested myself!
I use Centurion 1k and Eclipse Evo!
Evo is a fantastic product with a wonderful matching primer. And the centurion primer worked great however we had issues with the centurion topcoat both 1k and 2k and I will never use it again too many good products to fiddle with that finicky topcoat.
Please compare the gallery to a 2k paint. SW claims gallery is the same quality. Really like to use the local available any time paint vs ordering. Thanks.
I saw a great comparison on You Tube of Gallery vs Renner it’s 40 minutes long. Also Gallery can be catalyzed with the Sayerlack hardener making it of the same quality.
Command no doubt. Its not cheap tho, well worth the money. Its made for industrial use, so if it has take those kinds of abuse, you know itll protect your cabinets !! PREP is KEY !!
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What tip size are you using to spray gallery series?
Use a 308 works very well
310 fflp is my favorite tip for cabinet doors
Iv been using gallery for a year now. It’s the best paint I have used in 9 years. It drys fast (around 20 minutes depending on the environment. Sometimes sooner.)It’s thick. Sprays nicely in my Graco gx 19 with a 210 ff tip. Also sprays nicely in my Graco 9.5 finish pro with a #2 tip/needle. There’s a weird thing or 2 I don’t like about Gallery. If you leave gallery in your sprayer over night and use it the next day, it sprays weird and have a different texture. Pitting. So now I clean my guns out the same day. Gallery is about $130 a gallon. I get it for 94$ from Sherwin.
Definitely dries up quickly in your pump so cleaning daily is absolutely a must 👌🏻
Have you tried the evo eclipse? How does it compare to gallery?
Yes weve used a lot of Evo it’s a fantastic product with a fantastic matching primer. If I could still source it locally we’d probably still use it. I think they are pretty comparable as far as user ability and durability however we’re getting Gallery cheaper and can purchase locally with ease.
@@mallerpaintingcompany my gallery price is $125 and evo is $85. Evo can be 2k option.
unfortunately BOTH orange peeled a bit due to fast drying time I guess ...... durability is very important , but Emerald levels out much better .... I wonder how IT would compare ...... as for Advance , forget about it , might as well use oil if you're going to mess with that stuff
The orange peel you are seeing is from the cheap MDF grain raise a scuff sand between coats would have eliminated that. But either way emerald does level better as it’s a slow dry which should be a no brainer.
@@mallerpaintingcompany MDF "grain raise" doesn't "orange peel" , it "roughens like sandpaper when grain is raised , gets fuzzy" , there's a difference .....That orange peel is NOT from "MDF raised Grain" it's the paint not leveling well ....... no-brainer
Advance says full cure is 5-7 days. So 72 hours isn't enough before doing scratch test
We didn’t use advance in this test. We used Command. Command states on data sheet “return to service” in 24hrs. I agree if we would have waited a lot longer command would perform better however with cabinet painting being able to stack and install cabinets within 72 hrs without worrying about getting scratches is important!
Gallery for the W!
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excellent video i have built my own cabinets ,at least ten times better than you can buy and i only want to paint them once.
Gallery or Gemini Evo would be my top choice for 1k products and Renner or Milesi would be my top choice for 2k products. Thanks for the feedback and watching the video 🤘😎🤘
CENTURION 400 PLEASE COMPARE TO GALLERY SERIES
I love the centurion primer but had some really awful issues with there products pin bubbling. Which im told by the centurion rep is due to humidity. We did everything by the book in a pro spray booth. He also said it’s a known issue and happens often. I tried it twice had the same issues both times so unfortunately I will never use their topcoat again as I have many others that I never have issues with
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Scuff X you can’t scratch it with your fingernails dries super fast and level spot on it will burmish with chemicals
I’ve tried Scuffx on cabinets it applied and worked well just not sure the chemical resistance is there. Thanks for watching 🤘😎
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I have a paint stick with command on it , will not mar using my fingernail or a credit card , ZERO marring , BUT , this paint stick sample is a year old !!!! ..... The problem with these tests sometimes is some of these paints require a long time to fully cure and harden , I'm talking a month ...... "24 hours" ain't gonna cut it , so I can see the SW certainly did better immediately , but try it again in a month and see what happens ..... they say "two weeks" , but in my opinion these kinds of paints just keep hardening and it will even be more durable in a month or a year ...... I've had these paint stick samples for a long time , every time I check them they seem harder and "stuck better" , I have a sample of Breakthrough on a damn ceramic tile you cannot scratch off !!!!!! no joke
You are correct anything with oil resins will take longer to harden. But the data sheet says cured in 72 hours on command and I waited 72 hours to compare. However that’s without colorant we all know adding colorant extends the cure time so I would think the white should have not scratched after 3 days? But your right probably would have performed better in scratch test after 1 month but when painting cabinets waiting a month for full cure is a disadvantage in my opinion
@@mallerpaintingcompany I understand , try putting samples on paint sticks , and just store them away , you will find they get even harder after "72 hours" , I know it sounds strange and maybe this is all just my imagination , but seems like every time I mess with those sticks , and I have a ton of samples , they seem to be harder and harder ...... The Breakthrough sample is like a damn rock !!!! lol but I put that one on kinda thick too .... I think Command is similar to Breakthrough (from what I understand)
@@mallerpaintingcompany and yes I understand no one wants to wait months , but there is durability there after 24 48 72 hours , I'm just saying it gets even MORE durable after a month , two months , six months ..... but it's durable ENOUGH after a few days
You can’t see anything with your light reflecting off of it
Ok your the first person who said that?
One HUGE DIFFERENCE you forgot to mention is that command can be brushed and rolled, gallery cannot. For many jobs that will be the deciding factor.
Thanks for watching however I disagree. Both brush and roll equally. Both dry in the same amount of time. They aren’t designed to be rolled but a skilled painter could make either product work if needed. However if I were rolling I wouldn’t choose either product as Advance or Emerald are more suited for this application.
@@mallerpaintingcompany command is designed to be rolled and brushed even the official Ben Moore advertisement for the product shows this. Gallery can be brushed but the color will be off if the product is not atomized correctly through pressure. Great video
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The test is flawed. It needs to have a true primer. It needs the correct dry time, and sanding between the coats. And 3 coats (with a better rig) that is for cabinets.
Adding a primer wouldn’t have any affect on dry time, trying to scratch the surface after 72 hrs or the use of a chemical on the surface after 72hrs. If it was a test to see which coating a can make look better than it would have been performed much differently. With primer, sanding between coats and a better sprayer.
The primer adds significantly to the strength of the finish, when sanded and dried properly, then sanding between about 3 coats if you use an HVLP. You should use the manufactures spec sheet for each product because you are following the manufacturer's intentions. The test that some others are using is to score the surface and put tape on it and pull off the (duct tape) the prime will make a big difference. I think your test is helpful, but it leaves me with doubts. I saw another test on Gallery, and it was beaten by Renner 851. But it did not deter me from wanting to use Gallery in some cases. I'm impressed by using 409.
@@mallerpaintingcompany I got comped a gallon of Command satin, I see what you mean, I can't use it with the lines, but there is a commercial line that must be the one that people are saying is super stong, but most of us are not able to get or want that. BTW, there is a Saylerlack crosslinker for Gallery, but it goes bad after a year--.05-1 percent. It might make it even better.
This test is EXTREMELY flawed. Comparing solids between a paint and a spray only cabinet finish is hilarious. Sanding them both between coats at 45 minutes would show the Gallery producing a factory finish. Also flipping them after an hour or so would show huge advantage to the Gallery. I could go on and on. Price goes to Gallery when you see how much time that saves.
To your first point I’m comparing both brands best quick dry product in a head to head as these are both paint companies best product for producing a set of cabinets in my opinion. Yes the Gallery is a water based acrylic lacquer and command is a waterbased urethane alkyd however BM doesn’t have any other options to compare. Second point - Sanding between coats would show them both have a factory finish.3rd we hang and spray both side at once but you are correct if you were to spray one side at a time Gallery would have the advantage if it covers in 2 coats the command covers much better and would argue it might go quicker only needing 2 coats per Gallery’s 3 coats as gallery does not cover as well 4. Price per “gallon” goes to BM command. There are flawes in every test this was just my test and what I was interested in seeing.
C2 paint/primer is the best, bar none
What is C2 paint?
C2 Paint?
The c2 paint that fails miserably in all my own tests and on Klappenbergers youtube channel, even as a 2k it cant hang with command, advance and cabinet coat. And emerald urethane washes off the samples like its chb. 😂
Orange peel on both.....come on man
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@@mallerpaintingcompany no I don't ....haha you just don't care. Thanks for very good video. Good luck buddy