Tim, So glad to hear your health has improved! I’ve also experienced a challenging year but back in the studio & listening to your videos. Thank you for all you do!
A fantastic video and inspiring message. Thanks Tim. I taught art in high schools for 40 years (uk). I also held a handful of exhibitions of my own work over the years which broke even, money wise. I also did several commissions. What you said about the two ‘villages’ in the art world really resonated with me. One is concerned with the (publicly financed) education establishment, the other with the public themselves and their perhaps more genuine love for artwork. Having a teaching job, though challenging and full of educational dogma and artistic pretensions, was great for me. Trying my hand with the commercial world was enjoyable and exciting, though far scarier. The public can be rather fickle.
One of the best videos on becoming an artist I've listen to. Your advice goes for a lot of things in life. By learning a lot of different styles you develop your own.
I love painting, I love it when other people see things in my work. But I learned to never throw a painting away. Often a year or more later I see that I love the painting now. This happens most with paintings where I did better than I can do. Paint, Paint, Paint !!
Thank you, I am at the point where I am selling art, some people love my work, but not enough LOVE it yet, does not yet that uniqueness that makes a viewer feel it can only possibly be the work on one individual. Your video is encouragement that I am on the right path in seeking that WOW factor & signature style
I'm so glad you're on the mend! I found your channel several months ago, so I was unaware of your health issues. I have watched over half of your older videos, and thanks to your discount, was able to purchase your "Business of Being an Artist" bundle of classes. Thank you! I'm a middle aged woman who has stopped working in teaching and mental health to be the artist I've always wanted to be, and I'm already beginning to find my style through just being in "process mode." Your instruction is invaluable!
@@timpackerfinearts Perfectly timed response. I JUST finished watching Part 5 of the Business of Being an Artist, about social media etiquette. You practice what you preach.
Very true about post-modernism. We had to study some of that I my Interior Architecture degree course. I couldn't make any sense of it, but then again, that is the point.
I have a course where I explain and show my entire process including how I capture the light. Here is a link to a special offer with an amazing discount plus some pretty special bonus features:www.timpackerartacademy.com/birches-and-crimson-maples-landing-page-youtube
You're advice is both encouraging and discouraging at the same time. Its a great blueprint for sucess but at age 75, having started painting 6 years ago, time is not on my side.
@@joesweeney7216 I get that … but you have to do something with the next 5, 10 or 20 years you have left😉 some of my students have been able to achieve great success in as little as one or 2 years 👍
I'm a bit older and just started getting into art, and I am not counting on it for a living. So far, I'm sticking to graphite and charcoal, but that's because I have a fairly significant color blindness issue. While I see a lot of colors, they aren't always what others see, and I'm missing a bunch of shades. Kind of a bummer, I think I'd like painting. I have to wear clothes I know don't clash or what my wife picks out. Hey, maybe that can be my unique voice.
There is far more than two ways to become successful as an artist. And the Order of what you need to be successful as a commercial artist I think is wrong. Creativity should be number one and skill down at the bottom. There has been many many many artists that have been successful in the order that I'm suggesting.
There are a lot of very creative people out there with no skill creating paintings no one would want at any cost. Creativity plus skill will beat creativity on its own pretty much every time in the world of Commercial Art Sales. But we are each entitled to our opinions:)
Hi Tim I love your art and classes I just got surgery of cancer and start chemo Now I have more time I want to sign up your academy but I can not do it . Can you help me please thanks
@@artisticstudio-rosewang can you please email me at t.packer@rogers.com and I’ll get my son to help you out. He looks after the website and all the tech issues👍
@@artisticstudio-rosewang we do sometimes have conflicts with the browsers on mobile devices. I would suggest you try registering on a laptop or desktop computer and if that doesn't work then please e-mail me and we'll get you sorted out... t.packer@rogers.com
I am a computer artist/illustrator and I always feel that my art is not taken seriously or rather it's less valuable than an actual painting or drawing. Kinda makes me sad.
Art for Art Sake?. Either you have it or not bc some of use simply enjoy making Art. It’s a way to relieve pressure and stress AND knowing that the majority of us just simply love our studio’ and never show what we do bc it matters not to me what you think of it. I think you’d call us as being in the “hobby” category and don’t deal with the IRS either.
You are missing his point entirely. He is trying to tell you how to SELL your art. If you are happy creating art for yourself, go for it. However, if you want to sell your art, listen to him.
It’s not just finding a salable style, it’s trying to convince a gallery to represent you. It cost money just trying to participate in a group show, and there are no guarantees of a sale spending so much time and effort. That’s why being an artist is not a career to make living and more of hobby to make occasional sale. I don’t know anyone who makes consistent full time living, unless you are Damien Hirst. Seeing this as a realistic career only confuses young artists who spend years looking for their break and hit the wall in their 40’s moving to different careers because they can’t keep chasing a fantasy.
I have to disagree with you. I have made over 200k from the sale of my work in each and every year for over a decade. The problem is that a: many artists, like yourself just don’t believe it is possible and b: even if they do believe it is possible… they don’t know what to do to get there. Which is where I come in 😊👍🎨
@@timpackerfinearts Perhaps RUclips is your source of income from ads and making occasional sales directing traffic to a website. Selling through a gallery is more of a hit or miss. You have to become a celebrity to make it really full time income because people buy artist’s name hoping to resale later for more money. It’s very rare for someone paying 10k just because they like the work. I have been in this field for many years. I made few sales in 3k or 5k mostly through direct connections with a patron.
@@timpackerfinearts That’s impressive if so. Very few make it work. It’s more of an exception than normal. I can recreate your paintings easily, that doesn’t mean I can make money. I am not good at making it a business. Also, being older helps as people treat you mores seriously. I can paint like a Rembrandt or Velasquez but that doesn’t mean buyers get in line to buy art. It’s more of being at a right place and right time and likability of a painter to get connection. It has little to do with talent or how great your art is. Quality of art is only %10 and %90 is making it a business. This is what should be taught in schools for youngsters so they don’t think if it doesn’t sell, then they are not good enough as painters! Starving artist is not a myth after all, as many do starve or get a real job after failing so many times. You have reached that audience with financial resources and it’s an achievement. How to reach that audience is a big task for many artists. Just telling people on RUclips that only thing you need is finding your own style is misleading especially for youngsters because they will get burned financially and artistically trying to make a sale or a career. So, in your case it’s something else that clicked not just the style, as I have seen this type of work before honestly. It does fit in a commercial genre, as you can hang it not only at home but in place of business as well.
Well some of what you say makes sense, but I have to wonder why someone who is supposedly selling millions of dollars of artwork needs to sell art tuition to students.
In a materialistic view of the world, money is the ultimate goal so your question would make sense. But when money is not the end goal, life goes on sometimes even after death.
My content is specifically for artists who are trying to make a living from their art... If art is just a hobby... you can just do what makes you happy :)@@nsuarez
I like the idea to give the painting permission to fail!!! That's helpful, thank you very much
my pleasure
I'm in the exploration phase. I dream of paintings that have never been done... I try to develop them... thank you for a strategy... new subscriber. 🎉
my pleasure 😊👍
Clear, easy to understand explanation of the two major art villages. Great content!
@@tracyweissartist thanks 😊🙏
Tim, So glad to hear your health has improved! I’ve also experienced a challenging year but back in the studio & listening to your videos. Thank you for all you do!
my pleasure 😊
A fantastic video and inspiring message. Thanks Tim.
I taught art in high schools for 40 years (uk). I also held a handful of exhibitions of my own work over the years which broke even, money wise. I also did several commissions.
What you said about the two ‘villages’ in the art world really resonated with me. One is concerned with the (publicly financed) education establishment, the other with the public themselves and their perhaps more genuine love for artwork.
Having a teaching job, though challenging and full of educational dogma and artistic pretensions, was great for me. Trying my hand with the commercial world was enjoyable and exciting, though far scarier. The public can be rather fickle.
Glad you enjoyed the video 👍😊
One of the best videos on becoming an artist I've listen to. Your advice goes for a lot of things in life. By learning a lot of different styles you develop your own.
Glad you found it helpful 😊👍
I love painting, I love it when other people see things in my work. But I learned to never throw a painting away. Often a year or more later I see that I love the painting now. This happens most with paintings where I did better than I can do. Paint, Paint, Paint !!
Its like doing pushups... to get better at it you just have to do it.👍
Thank you, I am at the point where I am selling art, some people love my work, but not enough LOVE it yet, does not yet that uniqueness that makes a viewer feel it can only possibly be the work on one individual. Your video is encouragement that I am on the right path in seeking that WOW factor & signature style
Love to hear that😊👍❤
Great painting you have unique painting technique.
Thank You
Very helpful and sound advice. Thank you for posting.
You are quite welcome
All very good points. My own Dad did tree painting in Oil and Landscapes.🙂
love the abstract shapes made by trees 🙂
I'm so glad you're on the mend! I found your channel several months ago, so I was unaware of your health issues. I have watched over half of your older videos, and thanks to your discount, was able to purchase your "Business of Being an Artist" bundle of classes. Thank you! I'm a middle aged woman who has stopped working in teaching and mental health to be the artist I've always wanted to be, and I'm already beginning to find my style through just being in "process mode." Your instruction is invaluable!
Love to hear that😊❤
@@timpackerfinearts Perfectly timed response. I JUST finished watching Part 5 of the Business of Being an Artist, about social media etiquette. You practice what you preach.
always :)@@KristopiaArt
I liked your video, subscribed 👍
love to hear that 😊❤
Still following you! Thanks for the great content and glad to see your handsome face and hear your resonant voice again :)
My Pleasure 😊👍
@mai_8j888 my pleasure
Very true about post-modernism. We had to study some of that I my Interior Architecture degree course. I couldn't make any sense of it, but then again, that is the point.
Exactly 👍😉
Really excellent and blunt advice. That 'wow' factor I hope to pursue. Thanks Tim!
My pleasure :)
This is exactly the advice i needed!! Thank you!
My pleasure... and I love to hear that :)
Hello Tim, fantastic video!
I was wondering how long it took you to really find your style & be confident in painting that way?
It was a solid 2 years in process mode for me. I probably could have fast tracked it if I knew then what I know now 🤔👍
Thanks.Really helpful video.😊
My pleasure
Thank you for this video! It's very inspiring!
my pleasure :)
Thumbs up for sure. Ann😊
thanks
Very informative. Thank you.
My pleasure👍😊
If I could capture light the way you do…. That is what I’m working on.
I have a course where I explain and show my entire process including how I capture the light. Here is a link to a special offer with an amazing discount plus some pretty special bonus features:www.timpackerartacademy.com/birches-and-crimson-maples-landing-page-youtube
You're advice is both encouraging and discouraging at the same time. Its a great blueprint for sucess but at age 75, having started painting 6 years ago, time is not on my side.
@@joesweeney7216 I get that … but you have to do something with the next 5, 10 or 20 years you have left😉 some of my students have been able to achieve great success in as little as one or 2 years 👍
I'm a bit older and just started getting into art, and I am not counting on it for a living. So far, I'm sticking to graphite and charcoal, but that's because I have a fairly significant color blindness issue. While I see a lot of colors, they aren't always what others see, and I'm missing a bunch of shades. Kind of a bummer, I think I'd like painting.
I have to wear clothes I know don't clash or what my wife picks out.
Hey, maybe that can be my unique voice.
😊👍
There is far more than two ways to become successful as an artist. And the Order of what you need to be successful as a commercial artist I think is wrong. Creativity should be number one and skill down at the bottom. There has been many many many artists that have been successful in the order that I'm suggesting.
There are a lot of very creative people out there with no skill creating paintings no one would want at any cost. Creativity plus skill will beat creativity on its own pretty much every time in the world of Commercial Art Sales. But we are each entitled to our opinions:)
Creativity without skill seems to flourish in the other ‘village’
sure does 😂👍@@wastenotwantnotArt
People love realism
People love masterfully composed and executed paintings with a unique voice... regardless of the style :)
Not just realism - it has to have some special, emotional magic in it, too ;)
I love seeing the brushstrokes and lines I like to see how it all happened when it’s too real I lose interest
Hi Tim I love your art and classes I just got surgery of cancer and start chemo
Now I have more time I want to sign up your academy but I can not do it . Can you help me please thanks
Why can't you do it?
They let me sign in but I need sign up then I can not sign up I don’t know why
@@artisticstudio-rosewang can you please email me at t.packer@rogers.com and I’ll get my son to help you out. He looks after the website and all the tech issues👍
@@artisticstudio-rosewang we do sometimes have conflicts with the browsers on mobile devices. I would suggest you try registering on a laptop or desktop computer and if that doesn't work then please e-mail me and we'll get you sorted out... t.packer@rogers.com
Ok thanks I try
I am a computer artist/illustrator and I always feel that my art is not taken seriously or rather it's less valuable than an actual painting or drawing. Kinda makes me sad.
Unfortunately that probably is true for most collectors.
Skill? I have little, my hands shake, I have little attention for drawing. But if I need a drawing I will do it for me to do the painting.
What gave you motivation to draw when you first started? Its so overwhelming that I stay away from it
It’s just an itch that needs to be scratched😊👍
Art for Art Sake?. Either you have it or not bc some of use simply enjoy making Art. It’s a way to relieve pressure and stress AND knowing that the majority of us just simply love our studio’ and never show what we do bc it matters not to me what you think of it. I think you’d call us as being in the “hobby” category and don’t deal with the IRS either.
You are missing his point entirely. He is trying to tell you how to SELL your art. If you are happy creating art for yourself, go for it. However, if you want to sell your art, listen to him.
He did say that there are multiple villages and he was just naming two of the major ones that are always at war
He is saying all this because we as an artist trying to make are living from our art work we need to sell yet also wanted to enjoy it!!!
I found mine behind the sofa
😂😂😂👍
It’s not just finding a salable style, it’s trying to convince a gallery to represent you. It cost money just trying to participate in a group show, and there are no guarantees of a sale spending so much time and effort. That’s why being an artist is not a career to make living and more of hobby to make occasional sale. I don’t know anyone who makes consistent full time living, unless you are Damien Hirst. Seeing this as a realistic career only confuses young artists who spend years looking for their break and hit the wall in their 40’s moving to different careers because they can’t keep chasing a fantasy.
I have to disagree with you. I have made over 200k from the sale of my work in each and every year for over a decade. The problem is that a: many artists, like yourself just don’t believe it is possible and b: even if they do believe it is possible… they don’t know what to do to get there. Which is where I come in 😊👍🎨
@@timpackerfinearts Perhaps RUclips is your source of income from ads and making occasional sales directing traffic to a website. Selling through a gallery is more of a hit or miss. You have to become a celebrity to make it really full time income because people buy artist’s name hoping to resale later for more money. It’s very rare for someone paying 10k just because they like the work. I have been in this field for many years. I made few sales in 3k or 5k mostly through direct connections with a patron.
@@THEARTURLIVE Nope, I don't make my money from RUclips... I make it from selling my work👍
@@timpackerfinearts That’s impressive if so. Very few make it work. It’s more of an exception than normal. I can recreate your paintings easily, that doesn’t mean I can make money. I am not good at making it a business. Also, being older helps as people treat you mores seriously. I can paint like a Rembrandt or Velasquez but that doesn’t mean buyers get in line to buy art. It’s more of being at a right place and right time and likability of a painter to get connection. It has little to do with talent or how great your art is. Quality of art is only %10 and %90 is making it a business. This is what should be taught in schools for youngsters so they don’t think if it doesn’t sell, then they are not good enough as painters! Starving artist is not a myth after all, as many do starve or get a real job after failing so many times. You have reached that audience with financial resources and it’s an achievement. How to reach that audience is a big task for many artists. Just telling people on RUclips that only thing you need is finding your own style is misleading especially for youngsters because they will get burned financially and artistically trying to make a sale or a career. So, in your case it’s something else that clicked not just the style, as I have seen this type of work before honestly. It does fit in a commercial genre, as you can hang it not only at home but in place of business as well.
@@THEARTURLIVE that is exactly why I teach what I have learned to aspiring artists
This is very basic info.
the right info usually is😊
Well some of what you say makes sense, but I have to wonder why someone who is supposedly selling millions of dollars of artwork needs to sell art tuition to students.
Well if you actually watched the video you will see he answered that at 10:08
@@katiekamakshi Thanks Katy😊🙏
In a materialistic view of the world, money is the ultimate goal so your question would make sense. But when money is not the end goal, life goes on sometimes even after death.
My content is specifically for artists who are trying to make a living from their art... If art is just a hobby... you can just do what makes you happy :)@@nsuarez
Mr Tim, enter Islam and success
You don't do portraits?
not anymore
Thanks for the reply, friend. Love your work. @@timpackerfinearts
Thanks@@jnorth1000
You're welcome@@timpackerfinearts