Digital Radio Encryption with the Ailunce HD 2
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Extra notes:
- price is around $150
- it does digital and analogue, and you can dual monitor each.
- if you're using digital on an open freq, one button turns it to analogue so you can talk to others
- it comes programmed to official bands, but there is a hack to open it up to all, just like with Baofengs
Is the hack to open it up easy?
@@Variable19 Menu key & 8 at the same time then power on the radio password screen will pop up password is 777888 change range to 136-225 & 400-520
Great setup! The digital stuff is more of a headache but now that a lot of the cheaper radios are coming capable of AES 256 encryption (right around the $100-150 mark) it's becoming a lot more feasible for equipping teams for not that much more expensive than the latest baofengs. I've also got a couple of videos coming out over the weekend that may also help a bit with the programming
Can you address the legal implications. I was under the impression all encryption for obfuscation was an FCC no no, not that I’m a fan of that.
@@rileychildress4468 Sure thing, it's important to remember the hams don't own the airwaves, contrary to popular belief. The amateur bands are just a slice of the pie allocated for them. For HAM radio, yeah encryption is not allowed. But, despite all the content on the internet being about Amateur radio, that's not the only option. There are many other ways to legally use radio (and encryption), like an LMR license or some other business band stuff, if you wanted to go that route. But full disclosure, I'm also of the mindset that I don't really care, and that most hams and the FCC can pound sand, so there's that bias I guess 😂
@@S2Underground There’s some irony in these Chinese radios being cheaper than the cost of the stacking fcc license fees involved.
@@S2Underground Unsolicited editorialising: Youre teaching people how to soup their cars up. HAMKarens screech 'but muh speed limit'.
Its up to the user if and when they want break the speed limit.
What you're hearing at 3:28 is just normal DMR traffic. DMR uses what's called TDMA, or Time Division Multiple Access. Every 30ms one of the two timeslots transmits. That fwip-fwip-fwip you're hearing is that 30ms burst on one side. Every 30ms, one timeslot bursts, then the other, and back and forth it goes. That enables two "users" per frequency. Any analog radio will hear that no matter if there's encryption or not; any suitable software defined radio will easily be able to decode it if unencrypted.
That's a pretty nifty radio, getting a little more advanced/ in the weeds with the commo stuff, but it mostly makes sense.
I think every MAG will be helped by having a Techmarine or Echo type that gets reps in on drones, radios sigint, etc.
@@lavenderlilacproductions To an extent yeah, also depends on the situation at hand, some things will require very very limited use, while other emergencies they'll be used heavily. All dependent.
This is why I watch all of your content and follow you on X. Excellent perspective of someone who uses the stuff and with the same goals as I have. Keep it up.
Great and down to earth presentation! I just got two of those are they’re fantastic for for price! Right now I’m struggling to get the encryption to work cross brand (Ailunce to Anytone) but I’m working on it.
Cool to see you here I didn’t realize you were based like this
I've been waiting for FOREVER, for a "tactical like" review for the HD2. Top controls like a Motorola, Motorola style mic connection, analog dual-band with a digital 2 meters.
I've always thought it looked pretty legit!
Thanks so much for the video.
Bit the bullet and just ordered two HD-1's without GPS. It was the model I was initially looking at.
I've been looking for in depth reviews of the HD2. I'll be looking forward to the next video
Would love some more HD2 content
Like your content “R”. Thank you. Former medical Army Reservist and trauma nurse for 26 yrs. I enjoy the comms info. Vietnam draft #300.
Can say i have used alot of Motorola, radios , but cant recall the model, it's been long time ago. the range was about 50 miles, and more depending what channels were selected, A company i worked for had one each employee only 10 of us. 650.00 a piece. Lost mine in the snow, took me 2 days to find it, just lucky it didn't snow another foot. That radio in this video would to well, good price to. We didn't have handheld radios, joined Marines at 17 yrs old before being drafted Vietnam. Went in mos 1371 combat engineer, so it's been while. Got some good stuff this channel.
Thanks.
I plan on getting one, i mainly am facisinated with the older analog transceivers. 73, kq4hcu
Nice comms, price is great as well. Thanks for the review .
They should ship it with a couple of rubber USB dust plugs, probably less than 10 cents.
Programming via the USB would be nice, make it easier to program from a phone. Stuff like coordinating encryption key rotations.
BTECH I think has a DMR radio that is Bluetooth programmable. That’s pretty neat
TYT MD UV 390, base model and plus model. (Some differences- plus is 10W vs 5W, plus supports AES256 vs 128) Has same features as you discuss in this video, uses kenwood 2 pin PTT (so all your feng stuff will work from disco32) and can be had starting around 100 bucks. Extra OEM batteries 25 bucks on amazon, USB C capable batteries also available. Personally have purchased many, recommended to many, and programmed dozens. Hardest part is figuring out how to program it. When guys say they have their Fengs and don't want to pay 100 for a better radio, I usually reply something along the lines of, would you trust your life to a hi point? If given the choice between KAC irons or airsoft irons, which would you choose? How much do you spend on your Gucci kit and rifle, but can't justify a radio and 2 batteries for maybe 200 bucks? Thanks for the video and spreading comms awareness!
I got 4 of the 390 plus radios, love them. I got them for 130 bucks from buy 2 way radios and they helped me with programming them. I tested their ip67 rating and they passed with flying colors. Definitely would reccomend people pick up one over a baofeng. 100-150 for encrypted comms is a steal, don't know why people think building a 15th ar-15 is gonna help them over spending more money for encrypted comms
@@maxrannin574 what about the connector? I'm looking at these and from what I understand if you have a headset plugged in the connection isn't waterproof. They just have a waterproof cover over it.
4:48, I reprogrammed the Anytone 878 Voltage button to turn encryption on and off on long pressed, and i also reprogrammed the short presses to flip through the power levels. However I bought these radios in 2021 I think, just 2, life changed a lot and I cannot afford to switch to HD2s yet (I have a newborn,) but I already want them. i did work my way up to a ham extra class certification, since certifications and knowledge is cheaper than the radio.
Firmware/CPS for the 878 is better. But the ip67 rating & Motorola m3 connector is better on the hd2
The alarm button can be disabled completely FYI. Also chirp doesn’t work with any DMR radios only analog
They sell two different shoulder mics one is ip55 & has a 3.5mm AUX headphone jack. The other is ip67 & doesn’t have the 3.5mm AUX jack
I'm very glad you got around to covering this. After watching your previous videos about hillbilly encryption, I was doing some research into encryption algorithms, and I got down to this and the Baofeng Dm-1701 both being able to run aes 256. They seem to both do similar things, but the Baofeng is about half the price from what I've seen, I'd be curious to know if you had any thoughts on the matter.
I believe the 1701 uses proprietary encryption so it could only talk with other 1701 radios.& I don’t believe it has an IP rating IMHO the ailunce hd2 is the clear winner
@@BobBob-il2ku It appears that you're right. I guess as the old adage goes, you get what you pay for
just finish each text message with "do you copy?" 😃👍
Looks good
Yeah don't do that. Great method for breaking encryption is picking up on repetition. Vowels in the English language, filler words, common phrases, etc
@@Jacob-ABCXYZ then brief everyone to always confirm the delivery. Good point
Great video would love to see more on it.
There is surprisingly limited information out there about both the HD1 and HD2. Only one or 2 channels have done an in depth review of how to use their different features.
Agreed more content is needed
OH8STN used the Ailunce in his VHF comms kits. I think the HD2 adds ip65 rating, at least for the bucket of water test.
Would be a good podcast interview, Randall. He does a lot of "my doggo and I good a Solar panel and radio and went to Northern Finland" stuff on his YT channel
@@lavenderlilacproductions IP65 is not water proof; that is only a water resistant rating. Both the HD1 and HD2 are IP67 rated for total immersion in water.
Great video brother!
That's cool. I want one.
Thank you
Silicone caulking to seal up the usb port. As long as you don't jam the nozzle into the port itself, there's little risk it'll get stuck in the crevices, and can then be peeled off, and friction fit back on. It's not perfect, but it's better than tape.
You can buy silicone usb dust covers.
@@RenThraysk Didn't know that, even better!
God bless America 🇺🇸 and U brother 🇺🇸 🙏
Still emits a signature. Sometimes it isn't what's said, it's that something was said. COMM and move.
Wonder if ECCM modes will become avalible espically since there are benifits to using ECCM = FHSS modes in the ISM bands. Impossible to jam if it is fast hopping, impossible to direction find, impossible to develop a demographic and impossible to listen encrypted or not.
Is the use of digital encryption on GMRS radios legal? I had read it was illegal...so now I'm confused.
So will this work to listen to my local PD/EMF? Baofeng doesn't work for that.
Go to radio reference website put in your zip code it will say if the PD/EMF is using analog DMR or most likely p25 if p25 you will need a scanner that can do that something like the uniden bcd436hp if it says p25 E the E stands for encryption & no scanner/radio will work for that
Who knows what push to talk connection these radios use?
Did you watch the reviews from TheSmokingApe and FEP Labs Radio? This radio is pretty suspect. First it has a fake FCC ID, and it has tons of spurious emissions. What that means is that not only are you broadcasting on the frequency you intend to, but you are also transmitting on multiple harmonics of that frequency, at power levels above what the FCC deems acceptable to prevent interference (or to limit people hearinf you, if you care about that). The worst part is that one of those frequency harmonics is in the public safety portion of the band, which means you could accidently interfere with police, fire, EMS, etc. The good news (just kidding) is that it's been bench tested and transmits below the advertised power levels. I think if you care about the integrity of the encryption, that is equally suspect feom everything else I've heard. I think there are going to be far better solutions than this radio.
What is the range for transmitting? Do you have to have a clear line w/o any obstructions?
Helivopter sounds and everything…
Nice 👍🏻🙂
Did you say you paid $299??
These are under $150 all over the place
I may have missed it, but do they integrate with comms enabled head sets? Anything special you need to do that?
any radio can be integrated into comms headsets with the right PTT look into disco32 yes they sell a model that works with the ailunce hd2
Does this take the same accessory plug pattern as the baofeng? Forget the name of it off the top of my head.
No
They do sell a $10-$15 adaptor so it can use the kenwood 2-pin (baofeng)
@@BobBob-il2ku this is huge. What's the name? (Found it. Now I can upgrade to this from my gmrs radios and still use all my comm hookups for ptts and headsets without having to buy a new system. Thank you!)
Which Motorola PTT model does it use? It doesn’t say in the manual other than Motorola Tier 1 & Tier 2. Also, does this radio require a code plug for analog? In other words, does it have to be used on DMR to use the encryption or does it work using traditional analog transmission? If you don’t know the answers, all good 😂
AES encryption is digital mode only, for all radios not just this one.
You can use analogue as welland can dual monitor each
My friends and I are getting this radio and retiring our icom 4011’s. Thanks for the heads up!
It uses the MOTOROLA M3 style plug/ headset PTT
Anyone had luck entering a 256 key yet? I am unable to use most keys on the keyboard to input the code nor can I cut and paste a key in the slot. All of the number keys work.. weird.
how good are the ar152 that amazon sales
Just like the UV5R
Spring for the aluminum case version. I bought two and they have a "cheap"feel.
I have the hd1 do you know if the encryption will work with the hd2?
I think so but you could always try it and return it.
As always, you would want to test it, but theoretically the AES 256 encryption should work with any DMR radio using the same encryption key, even different brand radios.
The hd2 will interoperate encrypted with the hd1 with “basic” encryption the hd1 isn’t capable of aes-256
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I'm pretty sure I'm going to get one maybe two of these, can I have a question, I have seen two different unlock codes now the 777888 and 654321. The 654321 password brings up the IARU region selection. So does the 7777888 code is that unlock the radio completely? Thank you appreciate the video. 🙂