hello bro, I want to ask about this mixer. sorry if I use google thanslate because it is not my main language. can this be a mixer with a scenario like this? example: guitar enters channel 3 (DI Track) then USB sends to DAW. In the DAW, use an ampsim plugin like GuitarRig, then the signal is sent to the USB return on channel 3 again?
I read your other comment asking about this routing option. Now that I think about it, this might not work because if you push the USB return button, it will bypass the physical input of the channel. But it's an interesting idea to try.
I have yet to figure out how to send my logic pro tracks to each individual track on the MTK 22 and I cannot find videos anywhere trying to explain this. Is there anyway you could give me a couple helpful hints? Thank you so much. It’s a little embarrassing but I’m a beginning intermediate at this
If you use Logic Pro X like I do, you can route each output in Logic to a channel on the Signature 22 MTK. The process is the same in other DAWs like Studio One, Cubase, Reaper or Harrison Mixbus. For Logic Pro X, I have a video how to do it: ruclips.net/video/zBzmy5Rsoa0/видео.html For Harrison Mixbus, I also made a video about how to connect external outputs: ruclips.net/video/6YltcKCl4Xw/видео.html
Hello, thanks for sharing this, may you answer a question about the multitrack recording on logic? Do you create the tracks, route the outputs and select all to record and it’s gonna be a individual track to each one?
Yes, it is as you say. Set up the tracks in Logic and assign inputs to each. Logic will display all available inputs from the Soundcraft Signature when it is connected. Just select the input for each track and record-arm them all at the same time. Hit the record button and all of the tracks will be recording the multi-track inputs from the board. Thanks for dropping by!
@@ExileMixes Right, thank you. Well just one more thing I got mine yesterday and when I look for the outputs in Logic its starts from 3-4, the Logic says 1-2 its part of Output but I set 21-22 as my standard outputs.
@@thebasement_bybap Yes, that's true. 1-2 are your monitor outputs...BUT only when you have 'stereo out' selected in your tracks. That is where you will hear your mix from the stereo bus ITB (in the box). There is a way around it. While mixing, just do it all through the Signature. This way, you don't need a monitor out for your stereo output from the DAW. You will be monitoring straight off the board. You can then use channels 1 and 2 for more outputs from your DAW. After recording the stereo mix back to the DAW, you can then use channels 1 and 2 (or 21-22, whichever you choose) for monitoring the master bus, which is routed to the stereo outputs in your DAW. I used this setup for this project here: EPISODE 3: Mixing a Candlebox song with Soundcraft Signature 22 MTK ruclips.net/video/P3b6F9t5ZIM/видео.html
Sorry, I just tranlated your question with Google translate. My answer is the recorded signal is pre-EQ, Pre-fader, so the EQ won't be recorded with the track. But if you are mixing, you will be able to record the EQ and all effects back into your PC. I hope that answers your question.
Hey, quick question, I know that the USB sends are supposed to be pre-EQ and pre-fader, but I've heard there's a way to make your DAW capture the EQ from the board. How is this done? Does one solo the channel on the board, and record the master bus on a stereo channel within the DAW to capture the board's channel EQ?
To use the EQ, you have to be on USB return mode (mixing stage). You mix as you would--in multi-track--as in any other analog console and capture the result from the stereo master output. Another way I use the EQ and effects is to solo the channel and capture the mix one by one/channel per channel and mix/master in the box with the captured analog tracks.
@@ExileMixesdoesn’t it create offset between the tracks that went trough the console and the ones that didn’t, due to latency? Or maybe you just align manually in the daw afterwards.
@@micruelle9466 in theory there should be some latency but I haven’t experienced any. I just set the buffer to 64 samples while capturing the stereo mix from the board back to the DAW.
Are those CLA76 and API2500 inside Logic going as Paralel from sends in DAW? If you route individual drum channels on separate out to Soundcraft and send INSIDE DAW sends to for example that CLA76 for drum crush and that Bus to separate out to Soundcraft,there is no latency/phase issue?? BUS 6 in this case and BUS 1
Hi Milan Radjen. Thanks for the observation. In this case, the processing is done before the signal is sent to the board so there is no latency happening. Here's the layout for this particular mix: I sent all individual drum channels to the board, channels 3-12. So I can apply bus processing, I sent each drum track to a stereo bus in the DAW as well. That drum bus is sent out as a stereo pair to channels 13 and 14, as you see in the video. I usually set up stereo auxes and put all other effects that I need there just like I would do in a physical setup. The auxes are sent to channels 15-22. From what you saw, the CLA76 was on a drum crush aux channels, 15/16. I usually have channels 17/18 as drum reverb auxes but I didn't do it that way here because there were 2 pairs of room mics I think that contained reverb information, which I included in the drum bus mix. Processing is happening generally in parallel and are mixed to taste with the individual drum channels on the board. So the sends are only going in one direction with no processing happening on the way back. And it would also not be possible to do that because the output of the Signature 22 back into the DAW is only a two-track stereo mix, channels 23 and 24. Hope that gives a clearer picture. You can watch the whole mix with all instruments in the session in another episode I did: ruclips.net/video/_eJWj5Kcedo/видео.html. Thanks for watching!
@Exile Mixes I looked more closely at 4:54 and got it. When i used a summing box.couple years ago and tryed to send paralel from a Daw i got phasey sound back from those channels but i dont remember what plugin did i use for paralel processing. It could be some with bigger latency and that maybe caused the phasing. And everybody i asked about that.told me to use hardware for paralel to avoid this issue. When you have couple of minutes,try to put plugin with bigger latency on Paralel Bus,just to check if that is the case of latency/phasing. A small favour. ;) Second important think,before i jump in to this purchase: HEADROOM?!? I see that your levels coming out of Logic are around -18. Is this on purpose (i see Gain plugin on tracks) assuming you gain staged them to hit around there? What is the signal on console when you go out little harder (around -10ish) and are Gain pots on console doing something on the way back from Daw or you have to do that inside LOgic? Tnx for your time. ;) p.s. How hard can you “push” console and how it “bends”? I see clip indicator on channels and how does it behave when you light those up a little with signal (a Kick for example)?
@@gizilica From my experience, the latency you speak of can be managed by setting the buffer size in the DAW. When recording, I set it to 64 samples and when mixing at 1024 samples. The latency for the former is 5.4ms roundtrip (4ms output) and at 1024 samples, the latency is 45.4ms roundtrip (24ms output). Even at 1024 samples buffer size, I don't experience phasing or audible latency, having used all different kinds of bus processing chains on stereo buses. Usually the culprit of phasing issues is stereo-widening plugins like Ozone stereo imager or mid-side processing when overused. As for your question about gain-staging, yes, I do gain-stage my tracks down to -18db because I use mainly plugin emulations of analogue gear. And I've read somewhere that analogue emulated plugins are mainly designed to work at optimum level when the input stage is at -18db. But this is before processing, When they end up being sent to the console they can be anywhere from -10db or lower, up to -1.5 db (on a really hot snare signal). The main reason why I don't really care about how hot the signal is coming into the Signature 22 MTK, is this product has a headroom of +16db (RMS? not sure). As long as the signal is not clipping in the DAW on the way out, it's good to go. And one more thing, this console is notorious for having a 'low output', at least that's what users are saying. Soundcraft says it is because of the big headroom of the unit. To compensate, I usually route all tracks to the Master output AND subgroups 3-4 and put the four all together to have a louder mix. On the way out of the console my signal on the Soundcraft analogue meter is at +6db to about +10db but this translates to around -6db to -5db on the digital peak meters in Logic Pro. I go for -6db peak signal going into Logic to leave some headroom for more master bus compression in the box later on. The gain pots on the console do not work when it is used in this mode with the USB return buttons engaged. The gain pots only work when you are using the preamps on the board, when the console is used for a recording session or live event. When mixing from a DAW, the pots don't have an effect on the mix. Thanks for your questions!
@@gizilica Oh I forgot to answer your last question about how hard can you push the levels. Basing on the analogue meter on the board, I would say +12db. It's not a totally accurate figure because the meter is in 6db increments. As long as the peak is dancing and staying on +10db and doesn't go into the red at +16, it's fine. But as you say when does it 'bend'? I don't know exactly. I've had it go into the red at +16db and it still sounded great and going into Logic, it still was orbiting around -5 to -6, totally safe.
@@ExileMixes You helped a lot. Are you satisfied with the results and how does it compare with ITB (Logic)? I know that this is overated debate but i m tired from ITB mixing anyways and i really dont care in this moment i just want to know,is it comparable to bigger analog consoles or is in "hoby" domain?! I use to own Soundcraft Ghost back in the day and sold it when the demands for recall got crazy,just got tired. But never forget the beauty of the sound and workflow. Did you use analog console before Signature and how does it compare?
You can sign up at the Produce Like A Pro Academy for free and you’ll get a starter kit with multi-tracks included. There are other sites as well like the Cambridge Music Technology site.
Hi there. The Soundcraft 22 MTK has a multitrack interface so the 22 channels show up on the external outputs of the DAW. I don’t personally own a Zed24 but from what I know, its USB interface is only 2 in/2 out so it only captures stereo via USB.
Hi, sorry for the late response. I just noticed your comment today. I don't use Cubase so I cannot tell you in detail how to connect this console to it. But this console will easily connect with any major DAW. You just have to go to the preferences and select the Soundcraft Signature MTK as your USB interface, just like any other.
Get an audio interface with 8 outputs, then set your outputs in cubase. Switch from stereo out to out 1/2 , out 3/4, out 4/6. Then plug into the input of the mixer. Input 1/2, 3/4 etc.
It has been a long time since I did this, so I have forgotten. My guess is, channel 3 would be the kick drum. All I remember about this session was channels 13-14 are carrying the drum bus, which I also summed in parallel to the rest of the individual drum channels.
Hi Loopyllu 352. Yes, each channel is routed separately into Logic or any DAW you use so you can record a live band scenario or multiple instruments in the studio. Thanks for watching.
hello bro, I want to ask about this mixer. sorry if I use google thanslate because it is not my main language. can this be a mixer with a scenario like this? example: guitar enters channel 3 (DI Track) then USB sends to DAW. In the DAW, use an ampsim plugin like GuitarRig, then the signal is sent to the USB return on channel 3 again?
I read your other comment asking about this routing option. Now that I think about it, this might not work because if you push the USB return button, it will bypass the physical input of the channel. But it's an interesting idea to try.
I have yet to figure out how to send my logic pro tracks to each individual track on the MTK 22 and I cannot find videos anywhere trying to explain this. Is there anyway you could give me a couple helpful hints? Thank you so much. It’s a little embarrassing but I’m a beginning intermediate at this
If you use Logic Pro X like I do, you can route each output in Logic to a channel on the Signature 22 MTK. The process is the same in other DAWs like Studio One, Cubase, Reaper or Harrison Mixbus. For Logic Pro X, I have a video how to do it: ruclips.net/video/zBzmy5Rsoa0/видео.html For Harrison Mixbus, I also made a video about how to connect external outputs: ruclips.net/video/6YltcKCl4Xw/видео.html
Hello, thanks for sharing this, may you answer a question about the multitrack recording on logic? Do you create the tracks, route the outputs and select all to record and it’s gonna be a individual track to each one?
Yes, it is as you say. Set up the tracks in Logic and assign inputs to each. Logic will display all available inputs from the Soundcraft Signature when it is connected. Just select the input for each track and record-arm them all at the same time. Hit the record button and all of the tracks will be recording the multi-track inputs from the board. Thanks for dropping by!
@@ExileMixes Right, thank you. Well just one more thing I got mine yesterday and when I look for the outputs in Logic its starts from 3-4, the Logic says 1-2 its part of Output but I set 21-22 as my standard outputs.
@@thebasement_bybap Yes, that's true. 1-2 are your monitor outputs...BUT only when you have 'stereo out' selected in your tracks. That is where you will hear your mix from the stereo bus ITB (in the box). There is a way around it. While mixing, just do it all through the Signature. This way, you don't need a monitor out for your stereo output from the DAW. You will be monitoring straight off the board. You can then use channels 1 and 2 for more outputs from your DAW. After recording the stereo mix back to the DAW, you can then use channels 1 and 2 (or 21-22, whichever you choose) for monitoring the master bus, which is routed to the stereo outputs in your DAW. I used this setup for this project here: EPISODE 3: Mixing a Candlebox song with Soundcraft Signature 22 MTK ruclips.net/video/P3b6F9t5ZIM/видео.html
Track by track separately occur in DAW right?
@@amirgedon Yes. Separate tracks in the DAW.
Eu tenho a 12 MTK nunca tinha visto alguém fazendo esse tipo de mixagem com esse modelo de mesa
Obrigado por assistir meu vídeo. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for your feedback.
Tengo una duda.
Al grabar por usb en mi pc, me respeta la ecualización echa en la mixer?
Sorry, I just tranlated your question with Google translate. My answer is the recorded signal is pre-EQ, Pre-fader, so the EQ won't be recorded with the track. But if you are mixing, you will be able to record the EQ and all effects back into your PC. I hope that answers your question.
Muy buen video, una consulta que tal el retardo a la hora de grabar y si alguna vez uso plug INS en vivo gracias y siga con los vídeos
Hola. Gracias por ver el video. El retardo incorporado no se puede grabar con el USB, pero puede usarlo en vivo.
Hey, quick question, I know that the USB sends are supposed to be pre-EQ and pre-fader, but I've heard there's a way to make your DAW capture the EQ from the board.
How is this done?
Does one solo the channel on the board, and record the master bus on a stereo channel within the DAW to capture the board's channel EQ?
To use the EQ, you have to be on USB return mode (mixing stage). You mix as you would--in multi-track--as in any other analog console and capture the result from the stereo master output. Another way I use the EQ and effects is to solo the channel and capture the mix one by one/channel per channel and mix/master in the box with the captured analog tracks.
@@ExileMixesdoesn’t it create offset between the tracks that went trough the console and the ones that didn’t, due to latency? Or maybe you just align manually in the daw afterwards.
@@micruelle9466 in theory there should be some latency but I haven’t experienced any. I just set the buffer to 64 samples while capturing the stereo mix from the board back to the DAW.
@@ExileMixes thank you. No problems with such low buffer size??
@@micruelle9466 I haven’t experienced any problems. I switch to 1024 samples when I’m mixing.
Sir ji signeture multitrack 22 me dd3 ko kese laga ye? plzzzzz
Do you do private online tutoring? Logic yo MTK22
Hi there. I haven't figured out how to do online tutoring. Might do that one of these days. Thanks for watching.
Are those CLA76 and API2500 inside Logic going as Paralel from sends in DAW? If you route individual drum channels on separate out to Soundcraft and send INSIDE DAW sends to for example that CLA76 for drum crush and that Bus to separate out to Soundcraft,there is no latency/phase issue?? BUS 6 in this case and BUS 1
Hi Milan Radjen. Thanks for the observation. In this case, the processing is done before the signal is sent to the board so there is no latency happening. Here's the layout for this particular mix: I sent all individual drum channels to the board, channels 3-12. So I can apply bus processing, I sent each drum track to a stereo bus in the DAW as well. That drum bus is sent out as a stereo pair to channels 13 and 14, as you see in the video. I usually set up stereo auxes and put all other effects that I need there just like I would do in a physical setup. The auxes are sent to channels 15-22. From what you saw, the CLA76 was on a drum crush aux channels, 15/16. I usually have channels 17/18 as drum reverb auxes but I didn't do it that way here because there were 2 pairs of room mics I think that contained reverb information, which I included in the drum bus mix. Processing is happening generally in parallel and are mixed to taste with the individual drum channels on the board. So the sends are only going in one direction with no processing happening on the way back. And it would also not be possible to do that because the output of the Signature 22 back into the DAW is only a two-track stereo mix, channels 23 and 24. Hope that gives a clearer picture. You can watch the whole mix with all instruments in the session in another episode I did: ruclips.net/video/_eJWj5Kcedo/видео.html. Thanks for watching!
@Exile Mixes I looked more closely at 4:54 and got it. When i used a summing box.couple years ago and tryed to send paralel from a Daw i got phasey sound back from those channels but i dont remember what plugin did i use for paralel processing. It could be some with bigger latency and that maybe caused the phasing. And everybody i asked about that.told me to use hardware for paralel to avoid this issue. When you have couple of minutes,try to put plugin with bigger latency on Paralel Bus,just to check if that is the case of latency/phasing. A small favour. ;) Second important think,before i jump in to this purchase: HEADROOM?!? I see that your levels coming out of Logic are around -18. Is this on purpose (i see Gain plugin on tracks) assuming you gain staged them to hit around there? What is the signal on console when you go out little harder (around -10ish) and are Gain pots on console doing something on the way back from Daw or you have to do that inside LOgic? Tnx for your time. ;) p.s. How hard can you “push” console and how it “bends”? I see clip indicator on channels and how does it behave when you light those up a little with signal (a Kick for example)?
@@gizilica From my experience, the latency you speak of can be managed by setting the buffer size in the DAW. When recording, I set it to 64 samples and when mixing at 1024 samples. The latency for the former is 5.4ms roundtrip (4ms output) and at 1024 samples, the latency is 45.4ms roundtrip (24ms output). Even at 1024 samples buffer size, I don't experience phasing or audible latency, having used all different kinds of bus processing chains on stereo buses. Usually the culprit of phasing issues is stereo-widening plugins like Ozone stereo imager or mid-side processing when overused.
As for your question about gain-staging, yes, I do gain-stage my tracks down to -18db because I use mainly plugin emulations of analogue gear. And I've read somewhere that analogue emulated plugins are mainly designed to work at optimum level when the input stage is at -18db. But this is before processing, When they end up being sent to the console they can be anywhere from -10db or lower, up to -1.5 db (on a really hot snare signal). The main reason why I don't really care about how hot the signal is coming into the Signature 22 MTK, is this product has a headroom of +16db (RMS? not sure). As long as the signal is not clipping in the DAW on the way out, it's good to go. And one more thing, this console is notorious for having a 'low output', at least that's what users are saying. Soundcraft says it is because of the big headroom of the unit. To compensate, I usually route all tracks to the Master output AND subgroups 3-4 and put the four all together to have a louder mix. On the way out of the console my signal on the Soundcraft analogue meter is at +6db to about +10db but this translates to around -6db to -5db on the digital peak meters in Logic Pro. I go for -6db peak signal going into Logic to leave some headroom for more master bus compression in the box later on.
The gain pots on the console do not work when it is used in this mode with the USB return buttons engaged. The gain pots only work when you are using the preamps on the board, when the console is used for a recording session or live event. When mixing from a DAW, the pots don't have an effect on the mix. Thanks for your questions!
@@gizilica Oh I forgot to answer your last question about how hard can you push the levels. Basing on the analogue meter on the board, I would say +12db. It's not a totally accurate figure because the meter is in 6db increments. As long as the peak is dancing and staying on +10db and doesn't go into the red at +16, it's fine. But as you say when does it 'bend'? I don't know exactly. I've had it go into the red at +16db and it still sounded great and going into Logic, it still was orbiting around -5 to -6, totally safe.
@@ExileMixes You helped a lot. Are you satisfied with the results and how does it compare with ITB (Logic)? I know that this is overated debate but i m tired from ITB mixing anyways and i really dont care in this moment i just want to know,is it comparable to bigger analog consoles or is in "hoby" domain?! I use to own Soundcraft Ghost back in the day and sold it when the demands for recall got crazy,just got tired. But never forget the beauty of the sound and workflow. Did you use analog console before Signature and how does it compare?
Where to find such multitracks for Logic for training?
You can sign up at the Produce Like A Pro Academy for free and you’ll get a starter kit with multi-tracks included. There are other sites as well like the Cambridge Music Technology site.
Can i record multitrack with signature 22 mtk? Please reply sir.
Hi! Yes you can record multi-track with this console.
@@ExileMixes thanks for reply
@@rahulkisku3828 You're welcome.
how are you sending individual tracks to individual channels? I’m trying to do this with my A&H Zed24
Hi there. The Soundcraft 22 MTK has a multitrack interface so the 22 channels show up on the external outputs of the DAW. I don’t personally own a Zed24 but from what I know, its USB interface is only 2 in/2 out so it only captures stereo via USB.
good job I realy enjoy it thanks
Thank you so much
Plz tell is it possible on cubase 5 to mix with analog mixer and if possible how to do connections
Hi, sorry for the late response. I just noticed your comment today. I don't use Cubase so I cannot tell you in detail how to connect this console to it. But this console will easily connect with any major DAW. You just have to go to the preferences and select the Soundcraft Signature MTK as your USB interface, just like any other.
Get an audio interface with 8 outputs, then set your outputs in cubase. Switch from stereo out to out 1/2 , out 3/4, out 4/6. Then plug into the input of the mixer. Input 1/2, 3/4 etc.
what channel is the kick drum?
It has been a long time since I did this, so I have forgotten. My guess is, channel 3 would be the kick drum. All I remember about this session was channels 13-14 are carrying the drum bus, which I also summed in parallel to the rest of the individual drum channels.
Do you run it through audio interface?
Hi Justine. It is also an interface, a 22 channel input USB interface. You can record a live band with it.
does each mic input on the mixer have its own input on logic so you can record multiple tracks at once on separate channels on logic?
Hi Loopyllu 352. Yes, each channel is routed separately into Logic or any DAW you use so you can record a live band scenario or multiple instruments in the studio. Thanks for watching.
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Thanks for your input.