Did anyone else find themselves shouting "Use ABRP!" while watching this? It does EVERYTHING that Grant spent countless hours doing on a spreadsheet. And if you pay $5/month (and stop premium right after your trip), it will factor in real time wind, elevation and traffic. PLUS, you can manually enter the efficiency your rig is getting; one test drive with the Scamp and 1 minute of math. I've used ABRP for road-tripping both our 2020 Niro EV (with roof box, nailed the route every time, no spreadsheet needed) AND with our Tesla MY (Tesla won't plan routes to take advantage of CSS stations, which are sometimes necessary EVEN for Teslas! 🙀). Francie, I think it's time for you to do a deep dive into route-planning apps for all the non-experienced drivers. Road-tripping just isn't as difficult as Grant and Felicia are making it sound with help from a decent app.
Yes, ABRP is a great tool and is worth the money spent. I have used it since the beginning about 2016. I have also used it trailer trip planning through the Alps in Europe. Just entered efficiency and additional weight.
Agree. I also don't understand why they didn't address the onboard nav and route planning. I've taken mine on several road trips and the onboard route planning works. It updates stops if your efficiency drops. I guess since they only used EA that would limit you. They also never mentioned their efficiency in terms of miles per kWh. Maybe they didn't know?
@@mptsep Oh thank you. Talking from percentage and miles left drives me crazy. Know your battery size and use miles/kwh... it is so easy and transparent. 🙄 We need
Has come along way but its miles off. You have to drive sub 50 mph, VAG can only tow 1000kg, over plan, use loads of apps, constantly checking weather charge rates availabilty... Still has a long way to go. EV owner 12 months.
Francie, as an ID.4 owner myself, I love seeing Out of Specs content on ID.4 stuff. This is one of my favorite Out of Spec podcasts so far, great story and very informative. Thanks so much Francie for the Out of Spec team bringing us all this great content.
What a lovely, knowledgeable, young couple. We learned so much about towing a small motor home. One question missed was reliability of chargers, primarily EA. Last week, only one out of 4 EA chargers was working in Naples, Florida causing a giant backup.
They should look at A Better Route Planner. It can really help doing the planning. You can adjust the vehicle to match your setup and then plan the route accordingly.
At highway speeds, the rule of thumb is if you drive twice as fast, it will require four times the energy. At those speeds, the major efficiency factor is air resistance. That is why driving slower will significantly increase your range.
0.5*air_density*velocity^2. The recent towing test at ~8,000 feet. Air density was 75% of sea level. =Lower drag. You won't see the towing results at sea level.
I have made many smaller trips with an ID.4 RWD last fall, total around 2000 miles (3000 km) within about 6 weeks, but with a very small all-aluminum teardrop that can be towed by a BRP Spider and weighs 400 lbs. I'd say it lost about 35-40% of its range, depending on the speed as Grant and Felicia say. I changed the ID.4 for an Ioniq 6 in December and since it is winter here and the trailer is in storage, I think I will be able to cover longer distances, because this car, although having the same battery size, can go about 60 miles further in comparison with the ID.4. This longer range may make a big difference, we'll see.
Where it comes to aerodynamics and range and EVs, it seems like people forget that the reason that so many speed limits are set at 55-60 mph is because above that you start to pay a significant penalty in aerodynamic resistance.
Great info from an energetic couple. I would say they should use A Better Route Planner and just plug-in the efficiency of the vehicle while towing. It does a decent job and knows about the ability to prefer Electrify America. I used it on my 7300 mile EV road trip.
Well done. In 2016 I purchased a Nissan Leaf that was two years old and like new. I was told I couldn't take long trips. Just like you I planned and called RV parks, so I could plug in my level two charging station. I made a 1,800 mile round trip adventure. It wasn't easy, but it was doable. One of the things I say is if you're not up for the adventure, don't. You folks have a larger battery which makes it easier to get to the long distance stations. I would travel to Denver if I had a larger battery. There's one stretch thats 100 miles. Good to see you folks make a successful trip.
To give context to wind considerations: My Honda Element was unable to stay in transmission overdrive traveling west on I-70 in Illinois during fair weather, just because of normal prevailing headwind
Honestly this sounds smoother than I was expecting. If these guys made it with a trailer getting 150mi or less per charge than I think anyone with a 300 mi range vehicle should be able to road trip no problem not towing, even in cold. As infrastructure improves it should get better.
Great content. So refreshing to hear some detailed user experience with EXISTING EVs, rather than just car reviews and discussions, speculations, etc. of future ones. Glad to see the ID.4 getting some credit, since it's a very capable vehicle and has been nearly alone in having actual SUV ground clearance at a non-Rivian pricepoint, something often overlooked with all the whining about the software issues (which plenty of other models have had growing pains with).
I can vouch for feeling better on an EV road trip. Solo driving from Massachusetts to SW Florida. 1500 miles. I'm sure that because I got out of the car every 2.5 hours or so, that I felt less exhausted and sore after 2 days. No doubt in my mind.
You are correct in this view, this writer has the same experience. I SUSPECT the reason for the improvement is the fact that the human body is not built or designed for this sort of 'experience' and hence the negative effects. It is much the same, I feel, as the after effects to astronauts after a long space flight. There are all sorts of physical problems after the flights. And a side note on Time & Stops; for men 'of a certain age' we CANNOT sit in ANY car for more than circa 03hrs without 'issues'!
Good for these two. I tow a small camper trailer with our Model Y LR and it works fantastic. Just realize you will need to charger every 60-80 miles depending on speed. Supercharging network it fantastic, will be even better as they add more pull through spots.
Great video. I towed a uhall from Harrisburg pa to Pittsburgh with a model y. The trip planner in the Tesla was spot on. After a short calibration period. I think it is much simpler than the CCS network
A great report about long distance driving with trailer. As already mentioned ABRP is a great tool for planning and even in drive navigation. I have used it since the beginning about 2016. I have also used it trailer trip planning through the Alps in Europe. Just entered efficiency and additional weight. It even covers real time weather data. Regarding cheap short term overnight camping it is a shame that there are seems to be nothing available in the States. Here in Europa there are a lot of such parking places are available costing 10 USD or less. There may be a business opportunity to have such parking lots available with hookup for overnight charging and some amenities, just like the motels in earlier times.
One of the things I noticed on my last long road trip (not towing) is that going a little slower actually gets you there quicker when you include the longer charging times to charge. It would be good to have EV navigation systems tell you the optimal speed to get to your destination the quickest including charging time.
Thank you for sharing your experience! I'm in Southern California. I have a small teardrop trailer and I'm considering getting an EV. I'm not sure I'd want to use it for a long road trip, but based on your experience, it sounds like it would great for camping trips to the local mountains, deserts or beaches!
We had those same experiences measuring distances between Superchargers, hypermiling, hitting the bottom of the pack when we started towing with our std range Tesla in 2016.
Congratulations on an awesome journey. I know lots of people ignore it but most trailer manufacturers recommend not exceeding 60-65 mph when towing. So 60 mph is reasonable. More campgrounds will show in Plugshare if you check those plug types. I’d recommend confirming with the host ahead of time that they allow EV charging. Given the amount of juice some big motor homes use they shouldn’t frown on EVs plugging in.
We tow our SAFARI CONDO ALTO 1723 trailer with out Model Y LR, don't notice its there, regenerating braking slows down both with the trailer electric brakes only coming on during a hard break. Loose about 50% of the range comparable to our ex Subaru Outback that lost 40% of its range. Get to electric sites with > 0% charge, plug in, next morning ready to go. Only down side is full Tesla charging stations, have to unhitch, other wise take up 3 stalls is lots of charges available.
I was hoping they would talk about adding the trailer hitch to the car. I have a 2023 ID.4 Pro RWD and as far as I know VW wouldn’t put a hitch on it, although the AWD version does have a hitch. I was told adding one would void the warranty, so I dropped it, but if they did the 10k service visit and VW didn’t mention it, maybe I will put a hitch on mine. I have a 18 foot trailer that weighs 2200 pounds and I could take some weight out of it, but I also found some used Scamps while watching that I could switch to.
My wife and I just got back from our 10 day road trip.We drove through ice snow, hail and car camped in subzero freezing conditions. I drove back to socal from Yellowstone in one shot like 18 hours straight, only possible b3cause of FSD. Have been on a dozen road trips like this now, and can't imagine road tripping any other way. We didn't have a trailer but we had a cargo hitch carrier. Saw lots of bison and wildlife up there in Wyoming, amazing trip overall. Hoping to do a cross country trip like Grant and Felicia sometime in the next year!
I have done quite a few 300 mile trips with a Model Y towing a ~2500lb U-Haul trailer and the Tesla Energy prediction feature is great. Thankfully one supercharger i use has a trailer lane. The other one i used didn’t but I was able to park at the end like they did to not block anyone else. Tesla charging is great and reliable but they really need to update all their V2 150kW superchargers.
I just realized 1500lbs is less than 700kg. Hardly any caravans that small in Europe. Most would be towing a 2500lbs+ caravan in Europe so the 2200lbs limit of ID4 is a problem. 2650lbs is probably a minimum to be able to tow most caravans for sale here.
Good information overall, however for someone who is a weekender, going from Point A to Point B with limited time, would not be a good fit for EV towing at the moment if you are farther than 100 to 150 miles from your destination. But new battery tech will fix this in the future for sure.
Grant: I have an ID.4 RWD, so no factory tow package. I installed aftermarket tow hitch from etrailer (initially for bike rack). What trailer wiring product (please invlude brand snd model no.)? And who installed it? My VW dear lays theres no BW option aftermarket. Also, do you gave trailer brakes/brake controller? TIA.
Everthing going forward is about the environment and that dictates what we can and can't do. People want conveniences and there are consequences with that. We have to retool peoples brains to make changes that are good for the environment or mother nature will take us out. Can't keep putting CO2 into the air. People living on the West coast, their problems are the rest of the countries problems also. No water no food. And that is where a lot of our food comes from. Today we have to look at how we grow our food, how we produce electricity, how we fuel are cars. We just can't keep doing thing we used to do. Good episode.
With this kind of trip why wouldn't you use ABRP to get the most accurate, up to the minute range estimates? Vehicle efficiency, weather, towing are all factors taken into account. 🧐
Don't expect the charging companies to install at small businesses( small scale, inefficient to operate). The small business will have to install chargers that will increase their traffic.
Plug in hybrids also have a problem with the size of the gas tank. The hybrid i have has an 14.3 gallon gas tank, where the ICE version has an 18.5 gallon tank. Add in the weight of the battery, the hybrid goes about 390 miles (highway), where the ICE version gets 30 mpg (highway). So, the -4 gallons delta on the hybrid equals 147 miles less on a road trip.
This is only true in some of the cars and depending on their range and efficiency. My little Ioniq PHEV is rated to drive 1000km per 43L tank (620 miles, 11.4 gallon tank). I have actually achieved over 900km in real world on a long trip and could probably get over 950 if I babied it a bit. There is always a crossover point on a PHEV vs the hybrid of the same model where it would be more efficient to use the hybrid, and usually that hovers around the 500-600 mile (800-950km or so) range.
@ 38 : 32 Collierville Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram ad makes me sick to my stomach 🤮 Like. “ hey look at us we been poisoning the atmosphere near elementary schools for years AND WE DONT WANT TO STOP!!”
Great couple. Surprised they aren’t married. Grant hit the jackpot. Do it dude! Non Tesla road tripping is just fraught with pain and danger. The other EV station companies are just a horrid mess.
If you have to check the wind direction and wind speed before you leave home then you have the wrong vehicle. Buy or hire an ICE and enjoy your trip and not put yourself in a tizzy. Apps are fine but in reality the car should be planning that for you based on the cars current conditions and charging speed and pre heating and available chargers.
iD.4 as a towing car does not even happen here in Europe. Sales of ID.4 are terrible, quality and range are not as in VW ice cars and it is an outdated car. 400 V system is ridiculous behind. But ID.4 prices are cheaper than in Europe which is hurting sales here, while tesla is reducing prices.
🤣What are you smoking, dude? Saw an ID.4 towing an camper double the size the did just like 2 weeks ago. ID.4 is the best selling VW model in Europe just behind Tesla Model Y and Model 3. Build quality is better than the Tesla models for sure. All ID.4 models with the 77kWh battery just got a big tech, infotainment and interior materials upgrade a few months ago. Rangewise you have to keep in mind that if it were an ICE car it had only an 2 gallon tank. They said they will tow the camper about 135-155 miles on a full charge. Try that with an ICE car. 400 V is currently the norm and ID.4 will do 125 kW up to 55% SOC with the old software 3.0 and up to 175 Wh to 60% SOC on the new 4.0 software. So it's not outdated at all. ID.4 is really cheaper in the US cause you get more benefits (besides Norway I think. But thats actually part of Europe but not EU) and pay less sales tax as well. USA ~6.5% combined / EU ~21.5% sales taxes. And Telsa prices will go up in the US as well. They already got higher here in Europe after being on an all time low in January.
Did anyone else find themselves shouting "Use ABRP!" while watching this? It does EVERYTHING that Grant spent countless hours doing on a spreadsheet. And if you pay $5/month (and stop premium right after your trip), it will factor in real time wind, elevation and traffic. PLUS, you can manually enter the efficiency your rig is getting; one test drive with the Scamp and 1 minute of math. I've used ABRP for road-tripping both our 2020 Niro EV (with roof box, nailed the route every time, no spreadsheet needed) AND with our Tesla MY (Tesla won't plan routes to take advantage of CSS stations, which are sometimes necessary EVEN for Teslas! 🙀).
Francie, I think it's time for you to do a deep dive into route-planning apps for all the non-experienced drivers. Road-tripping just isn't as difficult as Grant and Felicia are making it sound with help from a decent app.
Yes, ABRP is a great tool and is worth the money spent. I have used it since the beginning about 2016. I have also used it trailer trip planning through the Alps in Europe. Just entered efficiency and additional weight.
Agree. I also don't understand why they didn't address the onboard nav and route planning. I've taken mine on several road trips and the onboard route planning works. It updates stops if your efficiency drops. I guess since they only used EA that would limit you. They also never mentioned their efficiency in terms of miles per kWh. Maybe they didn't know?
@@mptsep Oh thank you. Talking from percentage and miles left drives me crazy. Know your battery size and use miles/kwh... it is so easy and transparent. 🙄 We need
Shows how far EV motoring has evolved and how it is easier than ever to travel almost anywhere nowadays. Awesome idea.
Has come along way but its miles off. You have to drive sub 50 mph, VAG can only tow 1000kg, over plan, use loads of apps, constantly checking weather charge rates availabilty... Still has a long way to go. EV owner 12 months.
Francie is such a great host.
Fluent pertinent informative
Francie, as an ID.4 owner myself, I love seeing Out of Specs content on ID.4 stuff. This is one of my favorite Out of Spec podcasts so far, great story and very informative. Thanks so much Francie for the Out of Spec team bringing us all this great content.
What a lovely, knowledgeable, young couple. We learned so much about towing a small motor home. One question missed was reliability of chargers, primarily EA. Last week, only one out of 4 EA chargers was working in Naples, Florida causing a giant backup.
@17:28 Kind of funny. In Europe the max speed when towing is usually 80kmh, so roughly 50mph.
My cousin goes from Vancouver to Saskatoon every autumn for family harvest, in his Prius Prime. He just loves it.
They should look at A Better Route Planner. It can really help doing the planning. You can adjust the vehicle to match your setup and then plan the route accordingly.
At highway speeds, the rule of thumb is if you drive twice as fast, it will require four times the energy. At those speeds, the major efficiency factor is air resistance. That is why driving slower will significantly increase your range.
Thank you!
Wind resistance increases exponentially, with the square of the speed😎
Doubles…. But not exponentially
0.5*air_density*velocity^2. The recent towing test at ~8,000 feet. Air density was 75% of sea level. =Lower drag. You won't see the towing results at sea level.
I have made many smaller trips with an ID.4 RWD last fall, total around 2000 miles (3000 km) within about 6 weeks, but with a very small all-aluminum teardrop that can be towed by a BRP Spider and weighs 400 lbs. I'd say it lost about 35-40% of its range, depending on the speed as Grant and Felicia say. I changed the ID.4 for an Ioniq 6 in December and since it is winter here and the trailer is in storage, I think I will be able to cover longer distances, because this car, although having the same battery size, can go about 60 miles further in comparison with the ID.4. This longer range may make a big difference, we'll see.
Excellent realistic review!! These two are SO CUTE!! Great ambassadors for EVs. Thanks for sharing your experiences!!
Where it comes to aerodynamics and range and EVs, it seems like people forget that the reason that so many speed limits are set at 55-60 mph is because above that you start to pay a significant penalty in aerodynamic resistance.
Great info from an energetic couple. I would say they should use A Better Route Planner and just plug-in the efficiency of the vehicle while towing. It does a decent job and knows about the ability to prefer Electrify America. I used it on my 7300 mile EV road trip.
Well done. In 2016 I purchased a Nissan Leaf that was two years old and like new.
I was told I couldn't take long trips. Just like you I planned and called RV parks, so I could plug in my level two charging station. I made a 1,800 mile round trip adventure. It wasn't easy, but it was doable.
One of the things I say is if you're not up for the adventure, don't.
You folks have a larger battery which makes it easier to get to the long distance stations. I would travel to Denver if I had a larger battery. There's one stretch thats 100 miles.
Good to see you folks make a successful trip.
Oh the ID. Buzz, I believe it is the most anticipated EV coming to NA❣️
This was a really great episode. Great conversation and information all around.
To give context to wind considerations: My Honda Element was unable to stay in transmission overdrive traveling west on I-70 in Illinois during fair weather, just because of normal prevailing headwind
I think a reasonable adder for EV charging at a campground would make sense say $10 to $20 dollars would cover the additional electricity cost
Fellow failing Subaru Outback transmission refugee here!! Great episode and much respect to Grant and Felicia. What a fantastic adventure
Same here transmission torque converter, hanger bearing, engine electrical, severely rusting underneath. Called it the Subaru rust bottom.
Honestly this sounds smoother than I was expecting. If these guys made it with a trailer getting 150mi or less per charge than I think anyone with a 300 mi range vehicle should be able to road trip no problem not towing, even in cold. As infrastructure improves it should get better.
Great content. So refreshing to hear some detailed user experience with EXISTING EVs, rather than just car reviews and discussions, speculations, etc. of future ones. Glad to see the ID.4 getting some credit, since it's a very capable vehicle and has been nearly alone in having actual SUV ground clearance at a non-Rivian pricepoint, something often overlooked with all the whining about the software issues (which plenty of other models have had growing pains with).
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I can vouch for feeling better on an EV road trip. Solo driving from Massachusetts to SW Florida. 1500 miles. I'm sure that because I got out of the car every 2.5 hours or so, that I felt less exhausted and sore after 2 days. No doubt in my mind.
You are correct in this view, this writer has the same experience. I SUSPECT the reason for the improvement is the fact that the human body is not built or designed for this sort of 'experience' and hence the negative effects. It is much the same, I feel, as the after effects to astronauts after a long space flight. There are all sorts of physical problems after the flights. And a side note on Time & Stops; for men 'of a certain age' we CANNOT sit in ANY car for more than circa 03hrs without 'issues'!
Good for these two. I tow a small camper trailer with our Model Y LR and it works fantastic. Just realize you will need to charger every 60-80 miles depending on speed. Supercharging network it fantastic, will be even better as they add more pull through spots.
Great video. I towed a uhall from Harrisburg pa to Pittsburgh with a model y. The trip planner in the Tesla was spot on. After a short calibration period. I think it is much simpler than the CCS network
Im looking at buying a 13’ Scamp to tow with my Ioniq 5. Great information and confirmation that it can be done!
A great report about long distance driving with trailer. As already mentioned ABRP is a great tool for planning and even in drive navigation. I have used it since the beginning about 2016. I have also used it trailer trip planning through the Alps in Europe. Just entered efficiency and additional weight. It even covers real time weather data.
Regarding cheap short term overnight camping it is a shame that there are seems to be nothing available in the States. Here in Europa there are a lot of such parking places are available costing 10 USD or less. There may be a business opportunity to have such parking lots available with hookup for overnight charging and some amenities, just like the motels in earlier times.
Amazing story covered.
One of the things I noticed on my last long road trip (not towing) is that going a little slower actually gets you there quicker when you include the longer charging times to charge. It would be good to have EV navigation systems tell you the optimal speed to get to your destination the quickest including charging time.
Thank you for sharing your experience! I'm in Southern California. I have a small teardrop trailer and I'm considering getting an EV. I'm not sure I'd want to use it for a long road trip, but based on your experience, it sounds like it would great for camping trips to the local mountains, deserts or beaches!
We had those same experiences measuring distances between Superchargers, hypermiling, hitting the bottom of the pack when we started towing with our std range Tesla in 2016.
This couple are great you got to join out of spec for towing tasks and campings and national forest stuff
The VW ID.4 Pro is a great allrounder EV, and it is even better now with the new motor.
Congratulations on an awesome journey.
I know lots of people ignore it but most trailer manufacturers recommend not exceeding 60-65 mph when towing. So 60 mph is reasonable.
More campgrounds will show in Plugshare if you check those plug types. I’d recommend confirming with the host ahead of time that they allow EV charging. Given the amount of juice some big motor homes use they shouldn’t frown on EVs plugging in.
We tow our SAFARI CONDO ALTO 1723 trailer with out Model Y LR, don't notice its there, regenerating braking slows down both with the trailer electric brakes only coming on during a hard break. Loose about 50% of the range comparable to our ex Subaru Outback that lost 40% of its range. Get to electric sites with > 0% charge, plug in, next morning ready to go. Only down side is full Tesla charging stations, have to unhitch, other wise take up 3 stalls is lots of charges available.
I was hoping they would talk about adding the trailer hitch to the car. I have a 2023 ID.4 Pro RWD and as far as I know VW wouldn’t put a hitch on it, although the AWD version does have a hitch.
I was told adding one would void the warranty, so I dropped it, but if they did the 10k service visit and VW didn’t mention it, maybe I will put a hitch on mine.
I have a 18 foot trailer that weighs 2200 pounds and I could take some weight out of it, but I also found some used Scamps while watching that I could switch to.
My wife and I just got back from our 10 day road trip.We drove through ice snow, hail and car camped in subzero freezing conditions. I drove back to socal from Yellowstone in one shot like 18 hours straight, only possible b3cause of FSD. Have been on a dozen road trips like this now, and can't imagine road tripping any other way. We didn't have a trailer but we had a cargo hitch carrier. Saw lots of bison and wildlife up there in Wyoming, amazing trip overall. Hoping to do a cross country trip like Grant and Felicia sometime in the next year!
Very good information well done
I have done quite a few 300 mile trips with a Model Y towing a ~2500lb U-Haul trailer and the Tesla Energy prediction feature is great. Thankfully one supercharger i use has a trailer lane. The other one i used didn’t but I was able to park at the end like they did to not block anyone else. Tesla charging is great and reliable but they really need to update all their V2 150kW superchargers.
I just realized 1500lbs is less than 700kg. Hardly any caravans that small in Europe. Most would be towing a 2500lbs+ caravan in Europe so the 2200lbs limit of ID4 is a problem. 2650lbs is probably a minimum to be able to tow most caravans for sale here.
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Good information overall, however for someone who is a weekender, going from Point A to Point B with limited time, would not be a good fit for EV towing at the moment if you are farther than 100 to 150 miles from your destination. But new battery tech will fix this in the future for sure.
Yep, better batteries or infrastructure will make this much easier.
Grant: I have an ID.4 RWD, so no factory tow package. I installed aftermarket tow hitch from etrailer (initially for bike rack).
What trailer wiring product (please invlude brand snd model no.)? And who installed it? My VW dear lays theres no BW option aftermarket.
Also, do you gave trailer brakes/brake controller? TIA.
I can’t believe they drove across the country without using ABRP
Great stuff 👍😊
Everthing going forward is about the environment and that dictates what we can and can't do. People want conveniences and there are consequences with that. We have to retool peoples brains to make changes that are good for the environment or mother nature will take us out. Can't keep putting CO2 into the air. People living on the West coast, their problems are the rest of the countries problems also. No water no food. And that is where a lot of our food comes from. Today we have to look at how we grow our food, how we produce electricity, how we fuel are cars. We just can't keep doing thing we used to do. Good episode.
With this kind of trip why wouldn't you use ABRP to get the most accurate, up to the minute range estimates? Vehicle efficiency, weather, towing are all factors taken into account. 🧐
They should have considered using federal and state campgrounds. Lower cost and ev charging!
"There is no way that we could do this quickly."
That says it all, right there. 😮💨
Don't expect the charging companies to install at small businesses( small scale, inefficient to operate). The small business will have to install chargers that will increase their traffic.
Plug in hybrids also have a problem with the size of the gas tank. The hybrid i have has an 14.3 gallon gas tank, where the ICE version has an 18.5 gallon tank. Add in the weight of the battery, the hybrid goes about 390 miles (highway), where the ICE version gets 30 mpg (highway). So, the -4 gallons delta on the hybrid equals 147 miles less on a road trip.
This is only true in some of the cars and depending on their range and efficiency. My little Ioniq PHEV is rated to drive 1000km per 43L tank (620 miles, 11.4 gallon tank). I have actually achieved over 900km in real world on a long trip and could probably get over 950 if I babied it a bit.
There is always a crossover point on a PHEV vs the hybrid of the same model where it would be more efficient to use the hybrid, and usually that hovers around the 500-600 mile (800-950km or so) range.
@ 38 : 32 Collierville Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram ad makes me sick to my stomach 🤮
Like. “ hey look at us we been poisoning the atmosphere near elementary schools for years AND WE DONT WANT TO STOP!!”
Great couple. Surprised they aren’t married. Grant hit the jackpot. Do it dude!
Non Tesla road tripping is just fraught with pain and danger. The other EV station companies are just a horrid mess.
When someone says "Honestly" many times, should I be worried?
Honestly, maybe!
@@grant-taleck😂😂😂
the car onboard computer will reset every 100 hours so consumption figures will be gone every few thousand kilometers.
If you have to check the wind direction and wind speed before you leave home then you have the wrong vehicle. Buy or hire an ICE and enjoy your trip and not put yourself in a tizzy. Apps are fine but in reality the car should be planning that for you based on the cars current conditions and charging speed and pre heating and available chargers.
iD.4 as a towing car does not even happen here in Europe. Sales of ID.4 are terrible, quality and range are not as in VW ice cars and it is an outdated car. 400 V system is ridiculous behind. But ID.4 prices are cheaper than in Europe which is hurting sales here, while tesla is reducing prices.
🤣What are you smoking, dude? Saw an ID.4 towing an camper double the size the did just like 2 weeks ago. ID.4 is the best selling VW model in Europe just behind Tesla Model Y and Model 3. Build quality is better than the Tesla models for sure. All ID.4 models with the 77kWh battery just got a big tech, infotainment and interior materials upgrade a few months ago. Rangewise you have to keep in mind that if it were an ICE car it had only an 2 gallon tank. They said they will tow the camper about 135-155 miles on a full charge. Try that with an ICE car. 400 V is currently the norm and ID.4 will do 125 kW up to 55% SOC with the old software 3.0 and up to 175 Wh to 60% SOC on the new 4.0 software. So it's not outdated at all.
ID.4 is really cheaper in the US cause you get more benefits (besides Norway I think. But thats actually part of Europe but not EU) and pay less sales tax as well. USA ~6.5% combined / EU ~21.5% sales taxes. And Telsa prices will go up in the US as well. They already got higher here in Europe after being on an all time low in January.
Hmmmmm 🤔. Without a hitch? Think we are putting on some rose colored glasses here.
Even if its more expensive, the tesla is just a better car and a better experience. No regrets.
Maybe a better charging experience, but most certainly not a better car.
@@thomasseymour4190the charging is an integrated experience in the design of the car and the autopilot and heat pump are better. So yes, it’s better.
i think you should let she/ he / they/ pick her own pronouns.
Alas, that courtesy is only afforded to the sentient. :-)
Have you seen Christine@@redhat421