Thanks for the upload. I could tell you all some great stories about how this all went down, and how audience interference between bathroom breaks caused me to misplay my own deck. :-(
Everyone used sleeves way before 1999, I think around 1996 is when I first bought Ultra Pro sleeves. They weren't allowed to use sleeves in the top 8 of tournaments such as this, so that is why they aren't using sleeves.
***** No doubt... long time player myself, sold out, came back, sold out came back. Had a couple cards worth several of hundreds and I could only imagine how powerful of a deck I'd build today.
yup if youre not having fun youre doing it all wrong! the 90s was all about just doing it cuz you love it. Magic, video games, skateboarding. shit, you didnt have to be good at any of those to have fun
@@Utubesuxmycock my older brother had a similar hair style in highschool in 1998, only his was also partially bleached, very Shawn from “boy meets world”😂😂, or Eric Matthews also from BMW
I don't think 12:43 is quite the unambiguous mistake that the commentators made it ought to be. I think I see Demonic Consultation in hand. He was merely leaving mana to use that. I think it's a bad judgement call still.
@@nickfanzo Yeah, I'm liking the play even less now that I think about it more. Maybe it was a clear mistake. It's not like he somehow loses the Demonic Consultation if he doesn't do it that turn. The Corrupt is too crucial to screw around with.
JustSomeGuy ..... in what way? They had to remove the sleeves because the cameras weren't that good, the crowd disrupts the tournament because every time something is happening they shout, some amount of the time you don't know what is happening because the camera is on player A while player B does something. Also the commentary nowadays is better, less of that "he should do X" where X is something that is either not really the right play or only the right play if you have perfect information. So I don't see that
@@bumpasaurus487 I get the option to like it now so I guess I didnt? Could just be some youtube update shenanigans that make the system not realize who liked, idk, it was a year ago after all. I don't remember ever liking my own comments, so with all the evidence I currently have I would say Nope, I did not. Someone else may have felt the same way I did or felt compelled to like for some other reason
+Alex W it's 2:30 am here and i haven't slept for more than 30 hours....must...keep...watching.... it's so hard to keep up with all those comments and to overthink all the decisions by yourself in this state. i have to rewind the video like a million times, the comments often are too fast for me to get the first time, too. but it's so worth it. i will never forget this match. just like i will never forget craig jones and olivier ruel in honolulu. great stuff
The judge at that table made an AMA on reddit He inidcated that bob himself (and brian) were instrumental in changing wotcs policy on sleeves There was a strong push for it and eventually they caved but you hhad to use wotc sleeves which wrre horrendous
People asking why no sleeves etc in like 500 comments on this video. 1.) Sleeves were banned at a certain point of magic- they thought it would stop cheating or something to that extent. 2.) The cards they are playing with at that time are worth a max of 10$... dualands - 10 bucks, force of wills maybe 5 to 10 bucks. 3.) Also the game was no where near what it is today of more than possibly triple the player base, no magic online back then, the internet was only mainstream for 2 years when this tournament was held 1999... and to be honest the internet sucked back then.... Hell if we had any video's of people playing magic in 1993-- if any even exist-- you would see Alpha black lotus and power 9 and the original dual lands being done the exact same way as in this video..... Just goes to show you how times change...... my ohhh my how times change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
king also in 1999 alpha power was really pricy nobody was playing them unsleeved. if youre gonna spend 15 mins writing a comment atleast get your facts correct. i know the facts because i was there
First off, do you see anyone playing with power 9 cards in this video? No. Second most card places charged around 10 bucks for a 100 pack of sleeves even at that time, so choosing between a card you need at that time and something that protects your cards that aren't even that expensive was a obvious choice for people then. Maybe if they were playing vintage( type 1 at that time) you would see shields/sleeves, but they aren't playing that format in this video once again. Also like I said above, shields were banned at one point in magic because some judges thought it would stop cheating or something to that extent.. oh wait I already said that in my first comment you failed to read. I remember the early times of magic well son, anything else you wanna fail at debating?
In game 1, Brian should not have discarded swamps. He needed to hit every land drop to power his Drains to fuel Necro. I also think it was a mistake to use Wasteland to destroy a land when Bob's hand was already decimated. He needed to continue to develop his mana.
The tensions are so high, everyone laughs at any hint of nervousness. The crowd erupts in joy at the excellence in knowledge and skill, as well as luck displayed by both players... meanwhile the announcers roast everyone 😂
hey you know what? we could hear that crowd. the whole time. so just think about that: any time i drew a good card they boo'd, when i drew a bad they cheered. now do you think Bobby might have gained any advantage through that? not that it's even relevant his cards are all marked, he knows them all. those are his special little precious cards, he knew exactly what they looked like from the back and what was what. (my swamps all same edition, most my cards newer/good condition)
@@psychicdogtv I never saw your reply until now. I come back to this game every now and again because it’s such a great game, despite the audience being utterly irreverent, at the fault of the commentators. It must’ve been so distracting and upsetting to get jeered like that while playing a high stakes game. I feel for that. You still did extremely well to say the least.
@@Timodj13 its better than the cowed incel audience nowadays they are so quiet they are at church! oh wait...no more epic pro tours anyways. o well. just commander players wanking each other off lol
Hey, we know that it's easy for them, and us, to judge when we can see what's in both players' hands; you can tell us, from experience, that it's a whole different ball game when you're sitting at the table. You did extremely well for a first visit IMO.
I’ll give Brian Davis this, all the overthinking and underthinking aside this kid was 15 playing at his first Pro Tour in the finals playing against the best in the game even during the 1990’s. That takes skill to be able to get to do.
Thanks for posting. I was there and part of the English hoard. Tony Dobson got into the top eight and I watched that live. Rules were very strict then. It was a good venue at the Hyatt hotel. I also went to the 2000 one again at the same place.
A few things I noticed in this match that may explain why Davis made the choices he did but I am in no way justifying said choices: 1. Davis didn't Waste Bob's land because he was playing around Disrupt. Which was dumb because Bob played 1 copy of Disrupt and 4x Force of Will. 2. Davis discarded Wasteland when he was getting smashed by Villages because he didn't realize that Sacred Ground's effect would be triggered after disk blew. 3. Davis figured after not seeing Disrupt go off the whole match, after playing around it early, that he would maximize his Drain because only threat is a Force, which wouldn't matter if he tapped out anyway. Ends up getting Disrupted instead. 4. Worst misplay of the match, Davis forces Bob to discard Counterspell over Force of Will thinking that if he forces Bob to use a remaining Counterspell to cast Force of Will then he will have eliminated 3 of the 4 counters in his hand. Obviously he didn't realize that card advantage obtained via that route is no different then taking away Bob's ability to counter the first Drain and getting card advantage through Necro instead. 5. When Davis left four mana available before the Swords to Plowshares went off, he just went for it thinking he only loses to a hard counter because at this point he stopped playing around Disrupt. If he were playing around Disrupt he would have left one mana up instead of four. He was obviously clueless that Swords was not sided completely out of Bob's deck. In short, Davis' biggest downfall in this match was thinking too much about what Bob could be holding and being afraid of the wrong cards.
@@psychicdogtv I actually still agree with you that taking force is the right call. If bob doesn't get to 2 mana to cast those counterspells then the 1 force doesn't matter and if he does he is down one counter this way.
Two others: 6) He missed an on-board kill at 59:30, didn't end up mattering but in other games it could've easily cost him the game (7) He should not have conceded game 2. A top decked corrupt, drain, or consult would've won him the game. Another wasteland may have bought him an extra turn. OVerall I think the biggest issue was him being too conservative with the consults. Should've consulted for a skirge or the second disk game 1. Numerous places where he should've consulted for lands.
prosper waldmann what about that standard shuffle and bridge he did with his deck..... gheezz i wouldnt even do that with sleeved cards..... and maybe the most expensive cards i have are mana crypts and force of will.
They likely had sleeves during the rest of the tournament. You just couldn't play with sleeves on camera back in those days because the sleeves reflected light and made cards unreadable.
What pains me about the no sleeves isn't the damage being done to the cards, it's the simple fact that some of their cards are *SO* badly mangled that they're marked. When you look at your opponent's library and there are cards with straight-up creases all over the place...
I’ll be honest, the craziest parts of this video are the moments the players slammed cards down especially when Maher slammed the ivory mask and slammed the null rod in game 1 😂😂
This is a great match, and its great for two reasons, for one is it really cool to see these old cards we have never heard of in action alongside these busted cards we know and love today like FOW and Enlightened tutor, and secondly in all these matches one of the players (usually brian davis) makes a mistake that compiles onto itself for future decisions, and it really shows how punishing your poor decision making can be in this game, in the last game when he didnt take the FOW if he took the FOW, he would have had more spells to bait the counters, and he also likely would have been able to define the gamestate much sooner, instead he took the counterspell, and if he had that extra 3 life, it very well may have saved him from being necro-locked not to mention it may have drawn him a discard spell to pick apart his opponents hand
In those days sleeves were considered a way for deck marking. Thus to prevent any sleight of hand or any tricks, no sleeves were allowed in the finals of the tournaments, until they realise with sleeve many more things can be controlled =)
I am... confused by the seemingly random untapping? He casts ritual, then untaps that land to cast his drain, and at the very end, he consults for a swamp, untaps the swamp used on consult and drops the swamp to cast corrupt?
Everyone commenting about the lack of sleeves being tragedy? The real tragedy is I was there when Ped Bun developed the deck Bob is playing here and I rode with Ped to PT Chicago when he physically gave Bob the list AND deck 3 days before the PT.... And the deck is called Maher Oath instead of Ped Bun Oath that’s the real tragedy.
@@carlosorellana_1986 true? But he made almost 0 contributions to the deck through testing the previous week except sideboard options which are event specific anyway. Im well aware Bob is the man and it was he who did the playing but would he have won without that deck?
@@skizzik121 man watch those games, what he did in g1 and g5 was absolutr cold hearted class. He took the 0,1% he had to win and he did it. Match up was really bad for him. Deck building is a thing, playing is another thing. He has more respect for me because the match up was against him and he could win anyway. G5 he was with 0 permanents for several turns, the dude made a miracle to won the finals.
@@carlosorellana_1986 all im saying is everywhere else things are named after their creator not the end user. Im not disputing how good Bob "The Forehead" Maher is, obviously he piloted the ever living shit out of the deck. Im just saying stuff is named how the inventor intends in every other context and Ped Bun is the most tragically non-credited deck builder I can think of. Between Life and Oath his lists put a hurting on some formats. EDIT: If any deck ever was goi g to have a chance after multiple turns with 0 permanents its Oath (and to a MUCH greater extent Dredge and all its variants of course)
Sup bro? I don't know how to respond on RUclips directly. I still play; currently Top 10 in the MTGO Player of the Year. User: "Royal". I run a coaching site as well.
@@jerrywhat4799 he was 15 years old and had the entire place watching and audibly laughing at his occasional mistakes, it’s totally understandable. I bet you wouldn’t even have made it to the finals in his shoes.
@@jerrywhat4799 and btw. Bob made plenty of mistakes too, they just weren’t as costly. Like keeping in the oaths and creature removal game after game for no reason.
Maher oath is so much fun to play. Back in the GP trials following this event I was in the finals playing oath and this was the exact match up. Came down to him Spinning Darkness-ing his own Skirge to Draw into the win. So I lost a GP Trial, but god, that was magic at its finest. This match up to me is one of the pinnacles of magic. Shame Oath of Druids of banned in Legacy.
Huge necro (no pun intended) of a 9 year old comment, but spinning darkness cannot target black creatures. So either you recalled the play incorrectly, or you got the victory stolen from you :)
For everyone commenting on the non use of sleeves, You have to remember that 1999 those OMG dual lands were $5 (yes getting one as your rare in a booster was a bummer) each and wasteland and forces were going for about $2. You can thank starcity games for the crazy prices those cards fetch now.
I'm not disagreeing with you about SCG, but having played magic from 99-2002 and only starting up again recently, could you elaborate a bit on how SCG has inflated the price of magic?
SCG started the control on the market buying up dual lands higher than anyone was selling them at the time. Gathering a giant part of the market. And to this day they still have control on it. If they feel dual lands should be more (which has happened in the last couple months) they will simply raise their buy prices, leaving all other vendors to follow suit. hence raising the prices more.
Where is your proof that they did this? Do you know how many dual lands they would of had to buy to be able to do that; maybe they 5k-10k? Plus, people have been buying and selling magic cards on eBay since the early 2000s. I would check StarCity as a high price reference and then just buy it on eBay at auction. They never effectively controlled the price back then. Also, all vintage cards have seen huge price spikes the last 5 -10 years. I bought a Beta Tropical Island in 2005-06 for about $200; now look what that card is worth.
you skip your draw, but instead draw them at the end of the turn and take damage for each. its amazing because you always have any number of cards and thats amazing
Amazing video! I miss the days of un-sleeved Magic. I always wondered; can the players hear the audience's reaction to their draws/opponent's draws? The playing is so loose here I wouldn't doubt it!
the commentators talk about this at some point. the players were able to hear the reactions at times, and they were told to celebrate "with gestures" instead :D
Unmask was better as it’s only 1 card u have to pitch as opposed to two cards with thoughtseize, as 2 life equals 2 cards with necro. Tho early in the games when there’s no necro yet, that’s not the case.
Yeah, was a primitive thing during this couple year period, something about sleeves casting glare on the cameras back then? If I'm remembering correctly...
Believe it or not, I actually interviewed Brian Davis @ PT Chicago 99 for a school project & straight up asked him if he had taken any bribe(s) in exchange for taking a dive in this series
sorry for the late reply but i found the top8 decks with the wayback machine: web.archive.org/web/20150912031121/archive.wizards.com/sideboard/article.asp?x=PTCHICAGO9900/top8decklists
Whats the point of necro when you can't do much until you hit 5-6mana . There's very little 1 for 1 trade spells to utilize necro. I don't get Davis deck at all.
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Thanks for the upload. I could tell you all some great stories about how this all went down, and how audience interference between bathroom breaks caused me to misplay my own deck. :-(
Wow dude I'm glad you posted here epic game and memories of the greatest era of the greatest card game
Where can we hear this story? Sounds awesome! In a good way lol
Brian, I still think you did your best and I really enjoyed this video. This is a much more interesting time of magic to watch than the current meta.
Can we get an update on if it was creepy with that Beanie Baby on the table?
No shame in losing to Maher.
The lack of sleeves is killing me
Old school magic man. Old school magic. I only started a few years ago but watching this you have to appreciate how far our community has come
Just a few beta Dark Rituals. Those won't be worth anything ever, just keep them unsleeved.
This is truly difficult to watch.
@@Monechetti They look like foreign 4th to me.
Bunch of asshats worried about cardboard
@@theman1187 cardboard worth more than it's weight in gold.
Imagine playing Magic against the Dark Confidant himself.
never understood why he was called bob until now. thanks!
back when sleeves where unecassary, now people have double sleeves.
Everyone used sleeves way before 1999, I think around 1996 is when I first bought Ultra Pro sleeves. They weren't allowed to use sleeves in the top 8 of tournaments such as this, so that is why they aren't using sleeves.
GanonV
Why wasn't it allowed?
***** the sleeves reflected the lights and were not visible
Those duals and wastelands are unsleeved.. the inhumanity!
***** No doubt... long time player myself, sold out, came back, sold out came back. Had a couple cards worth several of hundreds and I could only imagine how powerful of a deck I'd build today.
Wastelands were like $2 back then. Duals were $10 and I got most of mine for $5 before they got "expensive." Ah, the good ol' days.
it's kinda easy to forget re watching this sometimes that Brian Davis is only 15 right here. dude was still a kid.
These classic looking cards look pretty badass. They look almost like they came out of an ancient tome with so much knowledge
This is straight up the most interesting match of magic I've ever seen broadcast
I love the laughs, it's like a MTG sitcom
+AngryMidgetProd things were so much more laid back
back in the day
i like that. it feels like a game instead of stiff and grave like it is now
Cheating was also common strategy back then
This video takes me back! Loved playing the game and riffle shuffling without sleeves and not thinking about card value and just having fun
What nerds! oh, I was 1 game away from qualifying for this tour...lost 1-2.
But I didnt dress like that, I swear...
yup
if youre not having fun
youre doing it all wrong!
the 90s was all about just doing it cuz you love it. Magic, video games, skateboarding. shit, you didnt have to be good at any of those to have fun
Now I know where Reid Duke got his hair style inspiration
Hilarious comment, even 4 years later 😂👍
ahhaahahahahahaa
@@bumpasaurus487 lmfao 5 years now. that hair never changes
@@Utubesuxmycock my older brother had a similar hair style in highschool in 1998, only his was also partially bleached, very Shawn from “boy meets world”😂😂, or Eric Matthews also from BMW
12:43 Brian doesn't Wasteland
16:10 Bob draws Ivory Mask
22:36 Bob gets Null Rod
46:40 Brian's Drain Life for 4
1:17:46 Bob's pump fake
I don't think 12:43 is quite the unambiguous mistake that the commentators made it ought to be. I think I see Demonic Consultation in hand. He was merely leaving mana to use that. I think it's a bad judgement call still.
@@Trip_Fontainethat mis play costed him the game. He would’ve been much better off to waste land first.
@@nickfanzo Yeah, I'm liking the play even less now that I think about it more. Maybe it was a clear mistake. It's not like he somehow loses the Demonic Consultation if he doesn't do it that turn. The Corrupt is too crucial to screw around with.
Anyone else cringe while watching Bob shuffle those legacy duals without sleeves?
it hurts
Yes but in a good way. Feelings of nostalgia
It wasn't that expensive. Just normal expensive.
meh a lil bit but they were ten bucks at the time
They were only 20 bucks back then..
Rudy must be going nuts watching this match without sleeves being used.
Amado Cruz hahahaha was thinking the same
I love how we know Rudy is watching
Good ol Creepy Uncle Rudy
On the third floor basement emporium
He has a beanie baby on the table, how 90s can this get.
LMFAO
i know right. that was hilarious
I have that same beanie baby lol
Somehow the production value of this is way higher than it has been for the last decade.
JustSomeGuy ..... in what way? They had to remove the sleeves because the cameras weren't that good, the crowd disrupts the tournament because every time something is happening they shout, some amount of the time you don't know what is happening because the camera is on player A while player B does something. Also the commentary nowadays is better, less of that "he should do X" where X is something that is either not really the right play or only the right play if you have perfect information.
So I don't see that
@@Mentir42 did u like your own comment? Just wondering...😂😂
@@bumpasaurus487 I get the option to like it now so I guess I didnt? Could just be some youtube update shenanigans that make the system not realize who liked, idk, it was a year ago after all. I don't remember ever liking my own comments, so with all the evidence I currently have I would say Nope, I did not. Someone else may have felt the same way I did or felt compelled to like for some other reason
No it’s not. That’s just silly
Here we are 20 years later
2am... and still watching... why did I start? need sleep...but it's to great to watch 😀👌 gotta love mtg!!!
+Alex W it's 2:30 am here and i haven't slept for more than 30 hours....must...keep...watching....
it's so hard to keep up with all those comments and to overthink all the decisions by yourself in this state. i have to rewind the video like a million times, the comments often are too fast for me to get the first time, too. but it's so worth it. i will never forget this match. just like i will never forget craig jones and olivier ruel in honolulu. great stuff
Brian Davis- The only man to loose a pro tour final 5-0
I heard that quote before but didn’t really appreciate it until i saw him lose game 1. Losing from the spot he was in is unforgivable
19:35 - Look how beat up that top card on Brian's deck is. That, my friends, is why sleeves have basically become mandatory.
The judge at that table made an AMA on reddit
He inidcated that bob himself (and brian) were instrumental in changing wotcs policy on sleeves
There was a strong push for it and eventually they caved but you hhad to use wotc sleeves which wrre horrendous
I played there myself in 99, still remember meeting maher after this final (i played a similar oath deck)
Haha, I played too :)
People asking why no sleeves etc in like 500 comments on this video. 1.) Sleeves were banned at a certain point of magic- they thought it would stop cheating or something to that extent. 2.) The cards they are playing with at that time are worth a max of 10$... dualands - 10 bucks, force of wills maybe 5 to 10 bucks. 3.) Also the game was no where near what it is today of more than possibly triple the player base, no magic online back then, the internet was only mainstream for 2 years when this tournament was held 1999... and to be honest the internet sucked back then.... Hell if we had any video's of people playing magic in 1993-- if any even exist-- you would see Alpha black lotus and power 9 and the original dual lands being done the exact same way as in this video..... Just goes to show you how times change...... my ohhh my how times change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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king moxes were at 1-300.00$ by 1995
king also we had sleeves
king also in 1999 alpha power was really pricy nobody was playing them unsleeved. if youre gonna spend 15 mins writing a comment atleast get your facts correct. i know the facts because i was there
First off, do you see anyone playing with power 9 cards in this video? No. Second most card places charged around 10 bucks for a 100 pack of sleeves even at that time, so choosing between a card you need at that time and something that protects your cards that aren't even that expensive was a obvious choice for people then. Maybe if they were playing vintage( type 1 at that time) you would see shields/sleeves, but they aren't playing that format in this video once again. Also like I said above, shields were banned at one point in magic because some judges thought it would stop cheating or something to that extent.. oh wait I already said that in my first comment you failed to read. I remember the early times of magic well son, anything else you wanna fail at debating?
Ryan Gosling plays very well.
jair d the fat matt damon too
In game 1, Brian should not have discarded swamps. He needed to hit every land drop to power his Drains to fuel Necro. I also think it was a mistake to use Wasteland to destroy a land when Bob's hand was already decimated. He needed to continue to develop his mana.
The tensions are so high, everyone laughs at any hint of nervousness. The crowd erupts in joy at the excellence in knowledge and skill, as well as luck displayed by both players... meanwhile the announcers roast everyone 😂
hey you know what? we could hear that crowd. the whole time. so just think about that: any time i drew a good card they boo'd, when i drew a bad they cheered. now do you think Bobby might have gained any advantage through that? not that it's even relevant his cards are all marked, he knows them all. those are his special little precious cards, he knew exactly what they looked like from the back and what was what. (my swamps all same edition, most my cards newer/good condition)
@@psychicdogtv I never saw your reply until now. I come back to this game every now and again because it’s such a great game, despite the audience being utterly irreverent, at the fault of the commentators. It must’ve been so distracting and upsetting to get jeered like that while playing a high stakes game. I feel for that. You still did extremely well to say the least.
@@Timodj13 its better than the cowed incel audience nowadays
they are so quiet they are at church!
oh wait...no more epic pro tours anyways. o well. just commander players wanking each other off lol
Hey, we know that it's easy for them, and us, to judge when we can see what's in both players' hands; you can tell us, from experience, that it's a whole different ball game when you're sitting at the table. You did extremely well for a first visit IMO.
And that is how magic is meant to be played.
I feel for Davis after that first game, all the confidence left him in a matter of seconds
I’ll give Brian Davis this, all the overthinking and underthinking aside this kid was 15 playing at his first Pro Tour in the finals playing against the best in the game even during the 1990’s. That takes skill to be able to get to do.
Thanks for posting. I was there and part of the English hoard. Tony Dobson got into the top eight and I watched that live. Rules were very strict then. It was a good venue at the Hyatt hotel. I also went to the 2000 one again at the same place.
A few things I noticed in this match that may explain why Davis made the choices he did but I am in no way justifying said choices:
1. Davis didn't Waste Bob's land because he was playing around Disrupt. Which was dumb because Bob played 1 copy of Disrupt and 4x Force of Will.
2. Davis discarded Wasteland when he was getting smashed by Villages because he didn't realize that Sacred Ground's effect would be triggered after disk blew.
3. Davis figured after not seeing Disrupt go off the whole match, after playing around it early, that he would maximize his Drain because only threat is a Force, which wouldn't matter if he tapped out anyway. Ends up getting Disrupted instead.
4. Worst misplay of the match, Davis forces Bob to discard Counterspell over Force of Will thinking that if he forces Bob to use a remaining Counterspell to cast Force of Will then he will have eliminated 3 of the 4 counters in his hand. Obviously he didn't realize that card advantage obtained via that route is no different then taking away Bob's ability to counter the first Drain and getting card advantage through Necro instead.
5. When Davis left four mana available before the Swords to Plowshares went off, he just went for it thinking he only loses to a hard counter because at this point he stopped playing around Disrupt. If he were playing around Disrupt he would have left one mana up instead of four. He was obviously clueless that Swords was not sided completely out of Bob's deck.
In short, Davis' biggest downfall in this match was thinking too much about what Bob could be holding and being afraid of the wrong cards.
all true! :)
@@psychicdogtv I actually still agree with you that taking force is the right call. If bob doesn't get to 2 mana to cast those counterspells then the 1 force doesn't matter and if he does he is down one counter this way.
Two others: 6) He missed an on-board kill at 59:30, didn't end up mattering but in other games it could've easily cost him the game (7) He should not have conceded game 2. A top decked corrupt, drain, or consult would've won him the game. Another wasteland may have bought him an extra turn. OVerall I think the biggest issue was him being too conservative with the consults. Should've consulted for a skirge or the second disk game 1. Numerous places where he should've consulted for lands.
Thanks for this
Watching this in 2016
Ben 2017
2019
Yall early, im watching this in 2037
Oh god it hurts me so much seeing unsleeved dual lands 😭😭
prosper waldmann what about that standard shuffle and bridge he did with his deck..... gheezz i wouldnt even do that with sleeved cards..... and maybe the most expensive cards i have are mana crypts and force of will.
ReformedThe the most expensive cards I have is force of will, really the most expensive card I have is a baby jace
Not as much as playing with an unsleeved black lotus on concrete.. yes i did that as a kid.. and i still have it.. and its FUCKED
Duals were < $5 at the time. I didn't start sleeving my decks until foils
They likely had sleeves during the rest of the tournament. You just couldn't play with sleeves on camera back in those days because the sleeves reflected light and made cards unreadable.
Oh, the 90's! Back when music was soft and Magic was heavy.
No sleeves, greatness at any cost.
hahahaha
2:40 Just seeing that wasteland getting handled like a basic land, those dual lands getting slightly bent while shuffled. Ugh.
What pains me about the no sleeves isn't the damage being done to the cards, it's the simple fact that some of their cards are *SO* badly mangled that they're marked. When you look at your opponent's library and there are cards with straight-up creases all over the place...
Ever see a soiled Black lotus.... It hurts
Or when the top half of their deck is lifting into the air.... The inhumanity.
I’ll be honest, the craziest parts of this video are the moments the players slammed cards down especially when Maher slammed the ivory mask and slammed the null rod in game 1 😂😂
Dark confidant playing unsleeved duals wastelands and fows what else can i ask for
Damn, I wish I would've played MTG back then, it looked insane; I was 18 back in 1999.
I was 9 and am just now learning 😂
This video always gives me the best nostalgia
That's some serious shuffling haha Omg those cards are done x'D
Wow the quality on this is better than some of the 2000's stuff. I swear i can't find a good video for the lightning helix topdeck :l
I love how you can hear the crowds reactions in this tournament, i hope they would mic the crowd sounds in upcoming pro tours.
Totally agree. I feel like improving coverage would make magic a much more interesting spectator sport
watching in 2019!
The troll at the end of game 4 there was so good.
Watching this in 2018. MTG is the best!
I’m watching this in 2019 😎👌
Same
@@flex_luthor9445 what format is this?
@@apples10304 ima yugioh player sorry 😂🤣
This is a great match, and its great for two reasons, for one is it really cool to see these old cards we have never heard of in action alongside these busted cards we know and love today like FOW and Enlightened tutor, and secondly in all these matches one of the players (usually brian davis) makes a mistake that compiles onto itself for future decisions, and it really shows how punishing your poor decision making can be in this game, in the last game when he didnt take the FOW if he took the FOW, he would have had more spells to bait the counters, and he also likely would have been able to define the gamestate much sooner, instead he took the counterspell, and if he had that extra 3 life, it very well may have saved him from being necro-locked not to mention it may have drawn him a discard spell to pick apart his opponents hand
It's been said multiple times already, but the lack of sleeves hurts my soul.
"Alright, so Bob has a land and a card... Brian's only got two permanents, right?" pffffffft
Watching this in 2019
In those days sleeves were considered a way for deck marking. Thus to prevent any sleight of hand or any tricks, no sleeves were allowed in the finals of the tournaments, until they realise with sleeve many more things can be controlled =)
Brian must have been scared as hell for a few moments at 1:17:45... nice prank!
these little pranks are one of my favourite things about magic
I wish cards were still a correct value so I could play without sleeves
that laughtrack in the background is always on cue :P
This is the most beautiful black deck, jeez
they did on espn, they moved it to live streaming because then you can have everything in one place for easy access
It's not only the lack of sleeves, but the cards (at least from Brian Davis' side) look almost like they got wet, really warped at the edges
1:17:40 has gotta be one of the funniest moments of MtG history. "Activate Treetop Village..... Nah, I'm dead!" XD
uff those shuffles at the begging make me shudder. and without sleeves? forget it im freaking out hahah
nice a hard cast force of will. I have literally never seen that before today. lol
hey the camera quality is the same as the 2018 world champs.
I am... confused by the seemingly random untapping? He casts ritual, then untaps that land to cast his drain, and at the very end, he consults for a swamp, untaps the swamp used on consult and drops the swamp to cast corrupt?
The shuffling is hilarious. Game pieces. Love it
they only did a few broadcasts though, they said it didnt generate enough viewers for espn.
Should've shown more of the end and the players talking to each other and stuff
Everyone commenting about the lack of sleeves being tragedy? The real tragedy is I was there when Ped Bun developed the deck Bob is playing here and I rode with Ped to PT Chicago when he physically gave Bob the list AND deck 3 days before the PT.... And the deck is called Maher Oath instead of Ped Bun Oath that’s the real tragedy.
forgot to mention Ped also created the amaze balls combo deck called Life. if you arent familiar look it up...total sex
@@skizzik121 who played flawlessly and with Excellence to win the championship?
Bob Maher
@@carlosorellana_1986 true? But he made almost 0 contributions to the deck through testing the previous week except sideboard options which are event specific anyway.
Im well aware Bob is the man and it was he who did the playing but would he have won without that deck?
@@skizzik121 man watch those games, what he did in g1 and g5 was absolutr cold hearted class.
He took the 0,1% he had to win and he did it. Match up was really bad for him.
Deck building is a thing, playing is another thing.
He has more respect for me because the match up was against him and he could win anyway.
G5 he was with 0 permanents for several turns, the dude made a miracle to won the finals.
@@carlosorellana_1986 all im saying is everywhere else things are named after their creator not the end user. Im not disputing how good Bob "The Forehead" Maher is, obviously he piloted the ever living shit out of the deck. Im just saying stuff is named how the inventor intends in every other context and Ped Bun is the most tragically non-credited deck builder I can think of. Between Life and Oath his lists put a hurting on some formats.
EDIT: If any deck ever was goi g to have a chance after multiple turns with 0 permanents its Oath (and to a MUCH greater extent Dredge and all its variants of course)
OMG this hurts so much to watch them play without sleeves..
OG duals and FoW played without sleeves. Hurts my feeling everytime.
When I played in 94 my local game shop wouldnt allow sleeves in their tournaments. We always asked why and never got a real answer.
What a vid.. great final
Sup bro? I don't know how to respond on RUclips directly.
I still play; currently Top 10 in the MTGO Player of the Year. User: "Royal". I run a coaching site as well.
Awesome match up and truly inspirational... Watching the necro being played was a point of no return for me back in the day!
Nobody needs to be coached on how to lose winning games.
Jerry what? Theres No need of being a f.... Prick dude.
@@jerrywhat4799 he was 15 years old and had the entire place watching and audibly laughing at his occasional mistakes, it’s totally understandable. I bet you wouldn’t even have made it to the finals in his shoes.
@@jerrywhat4799 and btw. Bob made plenty of mistakes too, they just weren’t as costly. Like keeping in the oaths and creature removal game after game for no reason.
Dual lands were. $5 a piece back then
10 around that year
@@rodzeroher Yep. I collected all mine back then when they were that price. Still have them. They're not pretty but they're real
Maher oath is so much fun to play. Back in the GP trials following this event I was in the finals playing oath and this was the exact match up. Came down to him Spinning Darkness-ing his own Skirge to Draw into the win. So I lost a GP Trial, but god, that was magic at its finest. This match up to me is one of the pinnacles of magic.
Shame Oath of Druids of banned in Legacy.
Huge necro (no pun intended) of a 9 year old comment, but spinning darkness cannot target black creatures. So either you recalled the play incorrectly, or you got the victory stolen from you :)
I find this to be FAR more entertaining than any tournament feed nowadays.
Yeah, the lack of "oh fuck off" evertime the audience looks at Davis opening hands is kinda funny.
Remember the days when you play with dual lands without sleeves and not give a shit?
+BBradshawProductions this is hurting me to watch right now! power shuffling duals wastelands force of wills, its killing me
Lol, back when they only costed $20-$30.
+CommanderSh!mi X less than that.
+wolfstorm123 Thats how much I remember them costing when I started, but yes you are correct that they cost less.
That was before wizards invented card AIDS.
I like these commentators WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than the current ones, the guy clearly knows what cards do etc etc, what players should do.
Lol @ the tag protector on that beenie baby. Man that brings me back
Those Force of Wills being just man-handled 😲😲😲😲
The dual lands are worth more.
For everyone commenting on the non use of sleeves, You have to remember that 1999 those OMG dual lands were $5 (yes getting one as your rare in a booster was a bummer) each and wasteland and forces were going for about $2. You can thank starcity games for the crazy prices those cards fetch now.
I'm not disagreeing with you about SCG, but having played magic from 99-2002 and only starting up again recently, could you elaborate a bit on how SCG has inflated the price of magic?
SCG started the control on the market buying up dual lands higher than anyone was selling them at the time. Gathering a giant part of the market. And to this day they still have control on it. If they feel dual lands should be more (which has happened in the last couple months) they will simply raise their buy prices, leaving all other vendors to follow suit. hence raising the prices more.
Where is your proof that they did this? Do you know how many dual lands they would of had to buy to be able to do that; maybe they 5k-10k? Plus, people have been buying and selling magic cards on eBay since the early 2000s. I would check StarCity as a high price reference and then just buy it on eBay at auction. They never effectively controlled the price back then. Also, all vintage cards have seen huge price spikes the last 5 -10 years. I bought a Beta Tropical Island in 2005-06 for about $200; now look what that card is worth.
They used sleeves at then
I love Randy Buehler's commentary on this video
The way bobmaher shuffles and pile shuffles would have gotten the judge called on him in a tournament these days.
Why?
I never knew that Tim Dillon was playing mtg during Urza's Block!
Noob question guys... exactly how does necropotence work? And the other cards on the deck? How does it beat the opponent?
you skip your draw, but instead draw them at the end of the turn and take damage for each. its amazing because you always have any number of cards and thats amazing
Amazing video! I miss the days of un-sleeved Magic. I always wondered; can the players hear the audience's reaction to their draws/opponent's draws? The playing is so loose here I wouldn't doubt it!
the commentators talk about this at some point. the players were able to hear the reactions at times, and they were told to celebrate "with gestures" instead :D
@@AncientCS Ah I must have missed that! Thank you for pointing that out. This video takes me back; I'd have been in fifth grade here lol.
Man the days before thoughtseize and inquisition....I JSUT WANT TO SHOCK MYSELF FOR HAND ADVANTAGE!
Unmask was better as it’s only 1 card u have to pitch as opposed to two cards with thoughtseize, as 2 life equals 2 cards with necro. Tho early in the games when there’s no necro yet, that’s not the case.
No sleeves.......poor dual lands.
The crowd was so into it back then!
Cost of those cards now aside, I miss the sound of unsleeved cards shuffling up
This is how its meant to be played
the pain of watching this video is large
no one in that audience was rooting for me and the yelling you hear is the opposite of what you think it is.
I got this all confused, must have been a different pro tour where the player accidentally drew 4 cards off brainstorm to lose the finals.
The audience is not in that room. They are with the casters in another room watching on TV :)
3:16 The referee "What am I doing with my life?"
Lol!!
What? No card condoms?
They had to go raw.
+jonkka3 hahhahaahha
Yeah, was a primitive thing during this couple year period, something about sleeves casting glare on the cameras back then? If I'm remembering correctly...
Believe it or not, I actually interviewed Brian Davis @ PT Chicago 99 for a school project & straight up asked him if he had taken any bribe(s) in exchange for taking a dive in this series
are there decklists existing somewhere? im really curious
sorry for the late reply but i found the top8 decks with the wayback machine: web.archive.org/web/20150912031121/archive.wizards.com/sideboard/article.asp?x=PTCHICAGO9900/top8decklists
Whats the point of necro when you can't do much until you hit 5-6mana . There's very little 1 for 1 trade spells to utilize necro. I don't get Davis deck at all.