Despite this ridiculous premise, David's acting here is so good as usual, he actually pulls it off when he admits it is something that he would do and his lack of sleep could explain why he doesn't remember. Lol
Just a few things about Ross. He always makes sure to point out every mistake the other guys make but when he does something wrong he rarely wants to take responsibility. He's also very resentful and just can never let go of anything. In relationships he's often unsecure and jealous over little things. On top of all that he develops anger issues in the later seasons. The only reason everyone thinks Ross is a great guy is because of David Schwimmers acting.
@@jarenlee8229 Why do you contradict your own comment. Now it's Rachel's POV, when you just mentioned, "everyone would assume". And who and where is everyone? Even mentioning "We"... where?😅😅
Right before this, Janice told Rachel that Ross will move on eventually and THEN Ross tells Rachel to forget the kiss or be careful to avoid them getting close again (Ross confided with Phoebe that he didn't want to start anything now that Emma was in the picture). I can understand why she was vulnerable to accept Joey's "proposal".
Every Friend knew Ross always loved Rachel and that you should stay away from Janice. But saying yes to Joey who can't even provide for himself instead of telling Ross you want to work things out sure is a convincing idea.
Its so fucking funny see people writting commemts doing what the Producers made in these episodes: A fucking forced mistake. Its doesnt make any sense see Rachel's character scared to raise Emma alone, BECAUSE RACHEL KNOWS : 1)Ross takes care of Ben. 2)Ross tells Rachel's mother, and Rachel is at his side: i Will take care of the baby BECAUSE i want to do It. About the move on in the future.... Trought the show, EVERY FUCKING TIME Rachel wants Ross, she gets Ross, so It doesnt make any sense see Rachel's character scared. Even more when you can remember that Ross accepted when Rachel asks him do not date anybody, she never said until she gave birth. I could continue and continue , It was a jump on the shark, awfull and lazy pathetic script
This is where the whole Joey/Rachel thing should have come to an end, when it was still funny and hadn't yet become too awkward. Having them actually start dating in the season 9 finale and the start of season 10 was jumping the shark.
@@NatalieMllr I agree, but at this point it was still possible to change course and just leave this whole thing a big misunderstanding and continue on from there with Ross and Rachel.
i hate everything with the Rachel/Joey relationship..this makes everything weird and unnecessarily complicated. It makes the character of Joey a bit sad at the end of Friends and Joey show spin off.
Reasons rachel and joey would have been perfect for each other 1. Joey became more mature after developing feelings for her 2.ross and rachel were too toxic. (Don't deny it!) 3.joey shows true feelings for rachel that hes never shown anyone not even kate. 4.they both are attracted to each other multiple times throughout the series 5.joey truly cares enough about rachel by letting her move in, helping with emma, and putting his feelings aside for their friendship. It takes alot of guts to hold back ur feelings for someone you love
Friends is my favorite series , i love the episodes , the characters and the actors , however moments like this one aren't good or add something to show , characters or even the actors
rachel and ross should’ve gotten together here. I know will they-will they not was big for the show. but c’mon, everyone knew they would, so might as well given us a taste of that.
it’s kinda funny because with the amount of marriage jokes if you think about it Joey kinda followed ross footsteps with the second most marriage proposal
Thinking back to it, Ross has less proposals than Joey, So really with all those jokes, Joey has proposed more times than Ross haha... Infact more than anyone, I think....
Definitely one of the worst cringiest moments in the Friends saga. I’m all forward Joey having a crush on someone it made him look cute but did it had to be Rachel though, I mean I was rooting for Phoebe I’m still am. They didn’t have to go out the show went downhill because of it.
It was better for drama in the show (like getting people to want to tune into the next episode) because of Ross and Rachel and also better for showbiz/media attention at the time. Not excusing it, just saying that's probably why they did it.
He's a weasel who thought it might work out that she says yes and they get married and live happily ever after..while raising Ross's child. That character was a tool in my opinion.
This scene might suck but I actually liked the soundtrack here. Another one I liked was the untitled by Interpol. No one is singing but the audio is still perfect for the situation
His crush is understandable. Stupid is that fact the writers made it last so long. Even if you're in a company of each other often, the feelings wore off with time. That it didn't happen is the biggest mistake.
@@ВладимирКруглов-к9о Hysteric is a good word for it. And the thing is, I don’t mind people being invested in the storylines or in the characters. That’s awesome, and a sign that the writers were doing something right. But with Rachel and Joey the reaction is so disproportionate to what actually happened. They were two friends who were mutually attracted to one another. It was a complicated situation, as the show acknowledges. And after a brief attempt at dating, they decide they’re better off as friends. It’s honestly, in my opinion, a really relatable story as far as stories in this show are concerned. But people flip the f*** out about it, and I don’t understand why.
@@Kate09090 Thank you, yes, I agree with the points you made. The continuing aggro towards Joey-Rachel pairing is very strange but, I guess, it is more due to the tradition than genuine feeling. It's such an easy remark to throw that will get likes almost automatically. I doubt lots of people really think it was such a crime. It's more like a pledge of allegiance to the mainstream view of "Friends" :) What I see as a huge mistake in the situation is that the writers actually budged and rewrote the Joey-Rachel storyline according to the wishes of (presumably) a majority of the audience. That needn't have happened, it closed a potentially interesting way of development for at least half of the main characters and led to (to me) a very unsatisfactory conclusion.
This should have been resolved within the episode with Ross and Rachel getting back together. But Ross being awkward about all the Rachel Joey stuff was hilarious. I also kinda liked Joet and Rachel together.
this was really hard to watch/sit through definitely cringed too much.This scene was unnecessary and could potentially blossom ross and rachels relationship but whatever
Joey said something like "she was scared, she would have said yes to anyone". And Ross said that he didn't want to be anyone. So I think that was the idea the writers were going for: that Ross wanted to make sure they would get together for the right reason.
Joey & Rachel was my favorite couple in the show ☺️ (let the rage begins hehe) and I am honestly so happy the producers and directors decided to go that road, gave me such wonderful Joey & Rachel scenes :') Don't be mad, at the end I believe the show ended like the majority intended ^^
@@NatalieMllr Actors don't have to like each other or their roles - if they're professionals they'll do it, they're only voicing and enacting the script anyway. Audience have no say in how the series has to develop, they're only just that - an audience, it's not for them to decide. The fact that the screenwriters budged and changed their vision according to audience wishes is what's most embarrassing and inappropriate.
@@ВладимирКруглов-к9о its easy to understand, and the cast KNEW It. ARGUABLY, the Joey and Rachel storyline kills the main point of the show, and makes everything absurd in the last 2 seasons, ( because It breaks the story continuity). Susan's character should be enough to understand what this "romance" would bring to the group of 6 characters.
Joey is the best character in friends undisputed. He’s funny (more than chandler) and his positive nature changes people. Joey would have made Rachel a less toxic person. (Ross can go screw himself) Ross had a whole list of Rachel’s bad attributes. Joey “she made me switch to light mayo and you know what? Tastes the same and my pants fit better” Monica I can never like the best Bc of Richard, phoebe almost broke up Monica and chandler(unforgivable) Ross is Ross and Rachel is Rachel and chandler is just weird. Joey is the best ever. Point blank period
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@@horrorking4977 Something subjective cannot be a lie. Nevertheless they came to the same conclusion themselves that they weren't good as a couple and better as friends.
@@TylerDurden-td2yg they were only friends bc the writers were idiots. Joey and rachel fit together. Both obsessed with their looks, both had kind hearts deep down, and noone can deny that ross and rachel were toxic together. Many people enjoyed the idea of rachel and joey
@@horrorking4977 It's very odd to become a couple after eight years of being close friends. Most of the time it's too weird to work. The audience didn't like it at all and they had to cut it shorter than intended.
@@horrorking4977 The internet generation might prefer Rachel and Joey, but the audience and the actors hated the idea. Even some screenwriters hated it.
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I love how Ross has proposed so much he ends up second guessing himself XD
😂😂😂😭😭😭
🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Only twice though Carol than Emily
@@hsd287 and Rachel in Vegas
"I might be losing interest in this"
It gets me everytime🤣
Despite this ridiculous premise, David's acting here is so good as usual, he actually pulls it off when he admits it is something that he would do and his lack of sleep could explain why he doesn't remember. Lol
Ross' acting was awesome in this scene just like every other scene of his 🤣
Yes. 😂
He was the best Actor on the show by far. He was so funny and his character was actually the best person of the group too.
Seriously? Ross is one of the worst people of the group.
@@nils4349 why do you say that?
Just a few things about Ross. He always makes sure to point out every mistake the other guys make but when he does something wrong he rarely wants to take responsibility. He's also very resentful and just can never let go of anything. In relationships he's often unsecure and jealous over little things. On top of all that he develops anger issues in the later seasons. The only reason everyone thinks Ross is a great guy is because of David Schwimmers acting.
I'm crying with laughter when Ross started doubting it at the end LMAO
Usually Joey's screw ups are pretty funny, but this was downright awkward 😂
This was a Rachel's screw up to be honest.
Calling your girl/boy friend the wrong name is awkward
THIS IS A NITHGMARE
@@themachiavellian8961 yeah but Rachel, sorry Emily, wasn't Ross' girlfriend she was his bride, literally seconds away from being his wife, so...
@@storiaholic3918no, its joey’s screw up. He didnt even tell rachel it was an accidental proposal and let her keep thinking she was engaged to him
"it does sound like something i would do..." LOL
Writers went to some crazy lengths throughout the show to keep Ross/Rachel complicated lol.
I love the decoration in Rachel's room🥺❤️
The misunderstanding and confusion in this episode had some funny moments poor joey 😅
Correction Joey didn’t propose, Rachel assumed.
And you know what happens when you assume.
@@jarenlee8229 It shows you didn't really watch or understood anything 😆
@@jarenlee8229 Why do you contradict your own comment. Now it's Rachel's POV, when you just mentioned, "everyone would assume". And who and where is everyone? Even mentioning "We"... where?😅😅
@@jarenlee8229 you should replace the j with k in your name.
The point you're trying to make is all a moo point. Yeah, it's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo.
She even admitted that she gave birth she was tired and was scared cause she didn’t wanna be alone so she thought if I get married I’ll be fine
3:46 When even Lisa,
so talented woman,
had to keep a straight face,
you know how great David was.
This was about as epic as it gets. the true prime of the show. Ross was GOLD here.
Disagree. True prime was seasons 1-3.
The type of laugh this scene brings out is so uncomfortable but relatable enough to keep looking back.
Ross is such an amazing actor. Best on the show hands down
Joey: "No!" 1:06 😆😂😂
Amazing how Joey was able to get a haircut in a matter of seconds
Right before this, Janice told Rachel that Ross will move on eventually and THEN Ross tells Rachel to forget the kiss or be careful to avoid them getting close again (Ross confided with Phoebe that he didn't want to start anything now that Emma was in the picture).
I can understand why she was vulnerable to accept Joey's "proposal".
Exactly
Yesss. People should be reading this. Geez
Every Friend knew Ross always loved Rachel and that you should stay away from Janice. But saying yes to Joey who can't even provide for himself instead of telling Ross you want to work things out sure is a convincing idea.
Its so fucking funny see people writting commemts doing what the Producers made in these episodes:
A fucking forced mistake.
Its doesnt make any sense see Rachel's character scared to raise Emma alone, BECAUSE RACHEL KNOWS :
1)Ross takes care of Ben.
2)Ross tells Rachel's mother, and Rachel is at his side: i Will take care of the baby BECAUSE i want to do It.
About the move on in the future....
Trought the show, EVERY FUCKING TIME Rachel wants Ross, she gets Ross, so It doesnt make any sense see Rachel's character scared.
Even more when you can remember that Ross accepted when Rachel asks him do not date anybody, she never said until she gave birth.
I could continue and continue , It was a jump on the shark, awfull and lazy pathetic script
But there was no proposal to begin with lol just jumping to conclusions and assuming causing everyone to question themselves
Only Ross would accidentally gaslight himself
Imagine u rejecting a guy after he reveals he is in love with u and all of a sudden he proposes to u with a ring 😂
This is where the whole Joey/Rachel thing should have come to an end, when it was still funny and hadn't yet become too awkward. Having them actually start dating in the season 9 finale and the start of season 10 was jumping the shark.
Joey and Rachel was inappropriate, so much so that it had absolute rejection by the audience and the actors.
@@NatalieMllr I agree, but at this point it was still possible to change course and just leave this whole thing a big misunderstanding and continue on from there with Ross and Rachel.
They were together for two weeks. Off screen.
@@vilmavanninen6950 Fake news
@@NatalieMllr Nah.
This is one of the worst moments in the show for sure
@Shreya Singh agree with everything
It's one of my favorites for sure ^^ Joey and Rachel were meant together and would have been a beautiful relationship (not a toxic one)
@@aracelichely2954 with Rachel you can never have a non toxic relationship. Because she herself is toxic.
Bad boy Joey
@@mockingbird806 ik and people only blame Ross 😢, Rachel is so confusing
I like Joey is funny and the best actor I watch and learn english all days thanks
i hate everything with the Rachel/Joey relationship..this makes everything weird and unnecessarily complicated. It makes the character of Joey a bit sad at the end of Friends and Joey show spin off.
Oh yeah the one where Ross and Rachel fans cried and said this is worst thing ever to
Happen and not remembering this was a giant misunderstanding
The only good thing about this Rachel and Joey thing was the "I'm fine" episode lol
Then you missed their amazing kiss in barbados.
Reasons rachel and joey would have been perfect for each other
1. Joey became more mature after developing feelings for her
2.ross and rachel were too toxic. (Don't deny it!)
3.joey shows true feelings for rachel that hes never shown anyone not even kate.
4.they both are attracted to each other multiple times throughout the series
5.joey truly cares enough about rachel by letting her move in, helping with emma, and putting his feelings aside for their friendship. It takes alot of guts to hold back ur feelings for someone you love
Everything you said there is wrong, but ok
You’re right bro.
delusional xd
@@NatalieMllrjoey did those things...
@@NatalieMllr He's absolutely right. You guys watched the show with your asses
Friends is my favorite series , i love the episodes , the characters and the actors , however moments like this one aren't good or add something to show , characters or even the actors
U SPEAK MY MIND FRIEND
🤡🤡🤡
one of de best tbs sitcoms ever
i know this is totally unrelated, but i just found out that mike hagerty, aka “mr treeger”, died on may 5th. so sad, rip. ❤️💛💙.
I like the music in the background at the beginning
Anyone got the Name of the Song?
rachel and ross should’ve gotten together here. I know will they-will they not was big for the show. but c’mon, everyone knew they would, so might as well given us a taste of that.
I disagree.
It should be without rushing anything , step by step and with a proper character development.
Accidentally read ring as Bing!
it’s kinda funny because with the amount of marriage jokes if you think about it Joey kinda followed ross footsteps with the second most marriage proposal
Thinking back to it, Ross has less proposals than Joey, So really with all those jokes, Joey has proposed more times than Ross haha... Infact more than anyone, I think....
This part of the story looks like something the writers threw together at the last minute.
Definitely one of the worst cringiest moments in the Friends saga. I’m all forward Joey having a crush on someone it made him look cute but did it had to be Rachel though, I mean I was rooting for Phoebe I’m still am. They didn’t have to go out the show went downhill because of it.
It's one of the best for me, I am so happy the producers and directors decided to go that road, gave me such wonderful Rachel & Joey scenes :')
@@aracelichely2954 Wonderful? What beautiful scenes were these? Just weird, as they were baseless and the actors themselves hated it.
Yes coz he was in love with Rachel since long time before but he was sacrificing it only for Ross
It was better for drama in the show (like getting people to want to tune into the next episode) because of Ross and Rachel and also better for showbiz/media attention at the time. Not excusing it, just saying that's probably why they did it.
I don’t even think it’s bad that he had a crush on Rachel I just think it’s stupid that they actually went through with it
Please put next part.... please.. please...😌
Joey could have clarified. What a shame
He's a weasel who thought it might work out that she says yes and they get married and live happily ever after..while raising Ross's child. That character was a tool in my opinion.
Rip legend mattew perry
So handsome is Joey 😊😊😊😊😊😊
Lmao this was so awkward 😭
Even Ross knows himself too🤣
My favorite Ross moment XD
I would like to get an uncut version of the beginning song.....may be if someone can do that?
There you go -
ruclips.net/video/RIjTq_OdFvo/видео.html
0:08 Joey proposes to Rachel, not intentionally but it’s Ross ring🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
0:36 Hey Ross is here, hey look it’s my good friend Ross🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They went overboard with messing up ross and rachel's relationship due to small misunderstandings
This scene might suck but I actually liked the soundtrack here. Another one I liked was the untitled by Interpol. No one is singing but the audio is still perfect for the situation
1:48 - lol poor Ross 😂 always getting his job profession dumped on by everyone he meets/interacts with 😂😅 feel sorry for him when that happens 😔😅
What episode was this?
Does anyone know the background instrumental music at the begining?
ruclips.net/video/SBICwwxKAWo/видео.html It's from their original sound track.
This was so awkward and unrealistic...I am sorry but yes,😭✋
Ross crush for rachel is so stupid, it was one of the reasons after my high school crush rejected me i began to question human society
Same
Ross' crush has always been right. Stupid was JOEY's crush on her.
His crush is understandable. Stupid is that fact the writers made it last so long. Even if you're in a company of each other often, the feelings wore off with time. That it didn't happen is the biggest mistake.
@@ВладимирКруглов-к9о He was outright in love with her though. That's on a whole nother level from a simple crush.
@@CrazyIshan69 It was only realistically depicted as nothing more than a teenage crush.
Now, THAT was funny.
Why the hell did the producers think of a disgusting stupid unnecessary scenario like this?🤦♂️
What exactly is disgusting about this? I swear, people talk about these characters like they’re siblings. It’s not that big a deal.
@@Kate09090 Yeah, the reaction to comedic episodes is hysteric to say the least, it's not healthy at all.
@@ВладимирКруглов-к9о
Hysteric is a good word for it. And the thing is, I don’t mind people being invested in the storylines or in the characters. That’s awesome, and a sign that the writers were doing something right.
But with Rachel and Joey the reaction is so disproportionate to what actually happened. They were two friends who were mutually attracted to one another. It was a complicated situation, as the show acknowledges. And after a brief attempt at dating, they decide they’re better off as friends.
It’s honestly, in my opinion, a really relatable story as far as stories in this show are concerned. But people flip the f*** out about it, and I don’t understand why.
@@Kate09090 Thank you, yes, I agree with the points you made. The continuing aggro towards Joey-Rachel pairing is very strange but, I guess, it is more due to the tradition than genuine feeling. It's such an easy remark to throw that will get likes almost automatically. I doubt lots of people really think it was such a crime. It's more like a pledge of allegiance to the mainstream view of "Friends" :)
What I see as a huge mistake in the situation is that the writers actually budged and rewrote the Joey-Rachel storyline according to the wishes of (presumably) a majority of the audience. That needn't have happened, it closed a potentially interesting way of development for at least half of the main characters and led to (to me) a very unsatisfactory conclusion.
@@Kate09090 I agree with you
I actually think that Joey and Rachel taking care of the baby together would have been a great spin off in my opinion.
This is where Ross and Rachel should have gotten back together but they had to throw in this stupid fucking storyline
Does that mean they were technically engaged?
This made me feel bad for ross
I'm huge fan of Joey and Richel 💞
NOOOOO. Sure they are not toxic but it's soo plain weird when they became a couple. Idk how but it just is
@@leonardolim8976 it's weird because your weird, i think it's great because I'm not weird.
@@JohnjOcampo mean much?
Oh weirdo
Omg 😱 my mother thought 💭 Rachel was giving birth in real life she said why was phoebe sitting while birth
Oh how I wish Ross was the one who proposed
This should have been resolved within the episode with Ross and Rachel getting back together. But Ross being awkward about all the Rachel Joey stuff was hilarious. I also kinda liked Joet and Rachel together.
this was really hard to watch/sit through definitely cringed too much.This scene was unnecessary and could potentially blossom ross and rachels relationship but whatever
Still to this day, I can't believe Rachel agreed to marry Joey right after having Ross' baby
I loved Joey and Rachel, not a popular opinion but her and Ross just did not work.
back to the "I hate Rachel Club"
So Ross didn’t want to propose to Her even. And he was so jealous when he watched that R and J were together
He was probably going to, remember some episodes later he talked about how he would propose to her even if it was all made up
He didn’t want to propose but he did want to start things up with her again
He didnt want to immediately propose, he wanted to start his relationship with Rachel once again and eventually propose in the future
Joey said something like "she was scared, she would have said yes to anyone". And Ross said that he didn't want to be anyone. So I think that was the idea the writers were going for: that Ross wanted to make sure they would get together for the right reason.
whyd they get just the most armenian baby of all time
theis love baby giris 💍💍 joey
Episode no.?
Season 9, episode 1
Just after Rachel had the baby, not your traditional follow up episode
Joey and rachel 4 life!!! Joey ❤ rachel. Roey/ jachel. Mrs rachel tribbiani
wonder what it could've been if ross DID propose to rachel
rachel and ross relationship was dead after the one on the beach she exsepted mearrige from and befor that ross actuall married emily
So unnecessary drama
Joey & Rachel was my favorite couple in the show ☺️ (let the rage begins hehe) and I am honestly so happy the producers and directors decided to go that road, gave me such wonderful Joey & Rachel scenes :') Don't be mad, at the end I believe the show ended like the majority intended ^^
Joey and Rachel was inappropriate, so much so that it had absolute rejection by the audience and the actors.
In a way u are right.
Two shallow people falling in love makes a little more sense
@@NatalieMllr how is it inappropriate?, it was true love, what about Chandler and Monica?
@@NatalieMllr Actors don't have to like each other or their roles - if they're professionals they'll do it, they're only voicing and enacting the script anyway. Audience have no say in how the series has to develop, they're only just that - an audience, it's not for them to decide. The fact that the screenwriters budged and changed their vision according to audience wishes is what's most embarrassing and inappropriate.
@@ВладимирКруглов-к9о its easy to understand, and the cast KNEW It.
ARGUABLY, the Joey and Rachel storyline kills the main point of the show, and makes everything absurd in the last 2 seasons, ( because It breaks the story continuity).
Susan's character should be enough to understand what this "romance" would bring to the group of 6 characters.
Oooh boy...is all I can say... In RL though easily fixed. But in Friends World...Oooh boy o boy... LoL
I love Friends, but this was a truly stupid storyline
Jovi marcelo gala y nicolas el profe jovi.
One of the dumbest, worst things Rachel did. Cannot imagine Ross' pain and shock
Blame the writers lol
Joey is the best character in friends undisputed. He’s funny (more than chandler) and his positive nature changes people. Joey would have made Rachel a less toxic person. (Ross can go screw himself) Ross had a whole list of Rachel’s bad attributes. Joey “she made me switch to light mayo and you know what? Tastes the same and my pants fit better” Monica I can never like the best Bc of Richard, phoebe almost broke up Monica and chandler(unforgivable) Ross is Ross and Rachel is Rachel and chandler is just weird. Joey is the best ever. Point blank period
Want Joey to be Rachael with
This is where i stopped watching
In fact, Joe did not propose
L moment
Dumbest scene in the series lol
FRIENDS NICKEIODEON
ROSS RACHEL WEDDING
FATHER MOTHER DAUGHTER
ROSS AND RACHEL EMMA EPISODES
Joey did not propose to Rachel.
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worst scriptwriters ever
Buah
Everyone involved should be ashamed of this stupid storyline
Lie. Rachel and joey made a great couple
@@horrorking4977 Something subjective cannot be a lie. Nevertheless they came to the same conclusion themselves that they weren't good as a couple and better as friends.
@@TylerDurden-td2yg they were only friends bc the writers were idiots. Joey and rachel fit together. Both obsessed with their looks, both had kind hearts deep down, and noone can deny that ross and rachel were toxic together. Many people enjoyed the idea of rachel and joey
@@horrorking4977 It's very odd to become a couple after eight years of being close friends. Most of the time it's too weird to work. The audience didn't like it at all and they had to cut it shorter than intended.
@@horrorking4977 The internet generation might prefer Rachel and Joey, but the audience and the actors hated the idea. Even some screenwriters hated it.
Rachel character is the worse istg