Played......NOT played......Makes no difference to me. Rick is there LIVE on stage. Rick's HAMMERING away on the kit, playing pretty much what you hear on their c.d. He never gave up, and always pushed forward. And that my friends, was enough for me. Reason is......I lost my arm in 1987, at 21. Being a drummer my entire life up to that. I thought my days were done and over. Saw what Rick Allen was doing, and I applied the same logic to my kit. Only it is an entire acoustic drum set. No triggers and no samples. ALL ACOUSTIC. Thanks to the incredible SIDEKICK DRUMS snare mount. Allowing me to play my snare or snares like a bass drum, using a bass drum pedal. So like Rick, using his high hat foot to hit a triggered snare pedal. I do the same, on an acoustic snare. Thank you, and GOD BLESS RICK ALLEN.......FOR NEVER THROWING IN THE TOWEL. 🤘🏻💪🏻🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁💪🏻🤘🏻
@Tim Cloutier Right on Tim. You're story rocks brother. I'm not criticizing Rick. I agree Rick's a badass for the mental strength it took to be the drummer he is after his accident. That took balls of titanium. And the money thing, I know Rick's got enough of that. My initial reaction to Rick not playing on Pyromania, was probably based on my own bad experience with my contract. Ok we beat this horse to death. Are we done?
For the drums on Pyromania: The Drums have been sort of played in by Rick Allen. They used an electronic drumkit and using that MIDI information and feed it into the Fairlight II. They would then quantize it and if changes needed to be made they would do all that in the Fairlight. The sounds for the drums are all samples, part created by Mike Shipley and Mutt Lange in the studio....the Toms are Simmons SDS7. The cymbals were then played live at the end and recorded onto the 24 track. A big challenge was to synchronize the Fairlight to the Studer. They used a Q Lock and an AMS Delay unit for that because the SMPTE sync didn't exist yet. Writing my BA dissertation about that at the moment :)
@@thebaldshredder yes indeed! It's crazy what they did back then. It's very hard to find proper academic sources on that though. I hope I can get hold of some people who where involved in making the Leppard albums from the 80s to interview them as primary research. If that works out I will definitely share this information. Will make the dissertation available to the public after hand in.
Wow. This is really interesting stuff. I’ve been wondering about it for 40 years. Pyromania is why I started playing drums when I was a teenager. I found an obscure modern drummer article where Rick says he triggered the Simmons head with his acoustic drums. And then they mixed the acoustic and the Simmons stuff. But all of this was so ahead of their time. I mean everybody does flavors of this now. But they did it so long ago. I do similar stuff with my cover band in town. But they did this half a century ago is just impressive.
This is a very interesting point. I hope Rick will open up about it and explain exactly what happened in the studio. And whatever the outcome, if he played on the album or if he didn't... I have nothing but respect for Rick and would totally understand it when he has agreed to leave the drum parts to the producer. The guy created a whole new way of drumming, being the world's first drummer with just one arm ever. He's also a huge inspiration to wounded warriors and he paints amazing art, despite all the hardship and suffering he had to go through after his horrific accident. I've seen DL live many times and Rick is still an amazing drummer, great sound, very powerful and perfect timing. Hats off for Rick, he's a hero.
That’s how it’s always been man. Doesn’t diminish anything from Rick’s story and legendary status as a drummer. At the end of the day he’s loved and is the drummer for a band that’s one of the best to ever do it.
The only Def Leppard albums that have real drums are OTTN and High And Dry. Pyromania and Hysteria are 100% programmed drums. After that Rick would play electronic drums into a sequencer, which itself is essentially ‘programming’. There may be some real cymbals here and there on some albums and I think there may even be some actual real drums on Slang. Basically Def Leppard have always used program drum parts on their albums. But Rick is still a total badass and brilliant live drummer!
As long as he's playing on stage live, that's all I care about. the band has talked about since the 80s they have used additional drum machine fills, because they liked the way Depeche Mode sounded back then. Albums are just like movies in my opinion. The actors aren't doing their own stunts, and it doesn't usually take away our enjoyment, so why should this?
nicely explained I would've never thought of it like that, it's what's on the stage that matters if we just had albums like way back and you had something to read while listening alot people would be surprised who is on the album that they are listening to a good example is Sammy Hagar's 1st solo album after Van Halen all the artists who played on it
I personally feel that the guys have got to do what they gotta do right now - given all the circumstances. Rick's challenges. COVID. The state of the World right now, internationally, etc. I'd like to hope Rick was playing on the record. But if not... I'm not going to freak about it. I can't wait to see them on tour - with Rick doing his thing behind the kit. I've listened all the way through the new one twice. I am not overly impressed with it. Not my favorite, and I thought the last one (Def Leppard) was a lot better of a record. But I don't hate it. There are probably 4 songs that I really like a lot. Maybe one or two that rocked my world. I was hoping for a little more of a Euphoria type feel. But hey - I'm just super glad they're still doing it, and I also think a couple more of the songs will grow on me. Keep on rockin' fellow Lep Fans.
@@jedsteelwell2354 Agreed. That is a little curious, isn't it? I guess they want the top-notch producers and sound engineers doing it. ?? Not sure. Just glad Rick is rocking the kit - live.
I had the same feeling on my first couple of times listening. But after a few more times I began to appreciate it so much more. It's a great Def Lep album with great guitars and harmonies. Beauty is in the ear of the listener and maybe your still disappointed but having a new Def Lep album compared with so much rubbish being released in the last few years is like a breath of fresh air.
I agree w/ everything that you said, in this video. Def Leppard is my very favorite band. And, Rick Allen is definitely one of my idols. There's no doubt.
As a drummer for the past 45+ years and having mad respect for RICK and the band I'm a fan of organic drumming, I can appreciate what he has done with his drive and dedication and he's proven himself for years but to be honest they've adapted themselves to Ricks mix of digital and analog playing and even though it's not my cup of tea they've done it quite well!! I'm more a fan of the HIGH AND DRY days but again I'm a fan of acoustic drums.😎✌️ Peace and love to RICK AND THE BAND
Ralph, Rick Allen has been playing a semi-acoustic drum kit since they recorded "When Love and Hate Collide" in 1995. This would continue with 1996's "Slang," and the only synthetic or electronic accompaniment he used was the foot pedal technology, which by that time could sample real snare, floor tom and other acoustic sounds. If you're the seasoned drummer that you claim, just listen to the new album and you'll hear his simplified accents and fills and know right away he's playing it for real. The original poster is NOT a drummer nor musician and doesn't understand the first thing about triggering sampled sounds, even though the late, great Neil Peart, who consulted Rick Allen on the foot pedals, used them right till the end of his touring career.
Your evidence is not bad, but there is still a chance Rick didn't get a recording studio credit, because he did play and sent exclusivly electronic drums. On the other hand I also don't think Viv and Phil recorded their tracks using miced amps. The way I understand the booklet is...the credits don't need the word additional, because only the additional contributions are listed. You don't read: guitars: phil / viv. You only see their solos listed. You also don't find bass guitar credits for Sav. Only when he played additional guitars. So my understanding is there is a LOT of drum programming going on, but Rick really did play drums. There are so many grooves and breaks being so typical for him, I can't imagine the producer trying to mimic them. Edit: and....they already play songs from DSH live. It doesn't make sense, letting Rick play what the producers programmed.
I remember being backstage at Alice Cooper in 2005 in Los Angeles. By that time I was fairly used to being around Alice, but then, without warning, Rick Allen walks in. I was not prepared for that and totally starstruck.
@@thebaldshredder he's a small guy, but I remember him walking slowly right past me on my right and it took a moment for me to realize what was happening.
I hate to tell you this, but it's not the first time Rick hasn't played drums on a DL recording. Some of the tracks on Pyromania, including the hit "Photograph" are in fact a drum machine. I first heard of this a few years ago when watching a Rick Beato youtube video. He noticed something that I had always questioned as a drummer myself, the timing is too perfect, some of the fills don't sound real, remembering that the technology wasn't quite as good back then, and there's no variance to the cymbals etc. In short, it's programmed. Sounds weird I know, because that was before he lost his arm, but to my knowledge, this would be the first time he hasn't played on an entire album. All I can say is if they did it before, then there's nothing stopping them from doing it again, particularly in this case with it being recorded remotely.
While this is true, during the Pyromania days, Rick hated that. He had an issue with Mutt about it and they fought over that. Mutt really was not always compassionate and he could be blunt to Rick in a way that didn’t always encourage him.
Well, Mutt used the machine and had Rick TRY and drum to that and then mix them. That's the GOD OF THUNDER drums sound. Ur close close, just yeah. Either way, Pyro was WOW
Rick played the cymbals. They used a drum machine. Since the cymbal sounds on drum machines suck & sound fake, Mutt had Rick do the cymbal parts, while playing along on pads. This producing a real feel to the tracks.
I always assumed on Pyromania they used triggers on his drums. Or an electronic kit altogether. The drums sound super fat and powerful so as a drummer myself I just assumed that electronic/triggers was the case. Anyone know for sure?
@@rickstamler5931 There are some things on RUclips with the band and Mutt Lange talking about the recording process, as well as podcasts, with Mike Shipley (the engineer). They recorded/sampled real drums and then detuned/augmented those drum sounds and ran them midi, into a drum machine, which was then programmed. I believe it was a Fair Light drum machine. I believe a lot of the bass parts were recorded on a keyboard using a similar process. Such as the bass on "Rock Of Ages".
Pyromania was one of the first albums I bought as a kid back in '83. I only recently found out that it's all a drum machine on that record. Haven't listened to that album front to back in decades, but whenever I hear a single on radio it changes how I hear the songs.
Yes, It was all drum machine as were a ton of 80's bands. Hysteria was also drum machine. This is not really shocking that Rick did not actually play drums, cause they have been doing the drum machine thing for 40 years now. Even when he had two arms. Not a knock on Rick or his abilities which are amazing, I think it's just how they record stuff. A lot of other 80's hard rock bands tried the same thing. The band Firehouse stands out to me for sure on the song All She Wrote. You can hear those are not real drums a mile a way and then listen to them isolated. Totally a drum machine. ruclips.net/video/caVQoAs9J1s/видео.html ruclips.net/video/JGf4IWGKYA0/видео.html
@@scottawes921 That is correct. Him not playing on Pyromania had nothing to do with his future accident, the producer wanted to use drum machines. There is an interview with one of the producers I think where he says Rick Allen (before the accident) had asked "will I get to play drums on this album (Hysteria)?" [asking because he didn't play on Pyromania] and was told yes he would. Then the accident happened. I think he might have still done some percussion/cymbal work on Hysteria along with the programming though.
The "producer" wanted to use all programmed drums and the band told Rick that's what's up? What kind of fucking horseshit is that? That wouldn't happen to my drumtracks baby. Rick should've pushed back. How come I never heard this story? This is an important footnote. Idve popped this guy, for benching me.
8:09 You're absolutely right. It doesn't really matter as long as it is great music and then he plays it live. I do love knowing the truth just for the hell of it. But If know 100% that Pyromania was all programmed by Mutt, I'd still love it as I've always have.
I'm pretty sure that Mutt also programmed them on Hysteria during Rick's recovery. There's an interview on here from 87 where Phil and Steve get asked about it. And Steve isn't sure how to answer and kind of gets upset for a second. What bothers me more than the drum thing is that Viv had no writing creds and I can hear it. Joe and Phil are very pop oriented, and it permeates this record. It misses some of Vivs heavier Last In Line style riffs. I met him at a rally car race (he was driving in, here locally) and never asked him about this record. This was right after the release of Kick, and I found it overly poppy. I did ask him how LiL 3 was coming and he said slow.
I saw in an interview where he said he just didn't have any songs written, which seems totally weird. Yeah the drums seem to be a touchy issue, even with a lot of fans who insist that Rick always plays the drums.
@Tommy E. In all honesty an interview I saw with Viv he said that he had a Pro Tools setup years ago but hasn't caught up with recent DAW's and updates. He mentioned he used voice memos on his phone more for little ideas he has and then they'd go and track it in the studio if they decided to use it
Def Leppard have been programming drums since Pyromania. To keep the timing locked in perfectly all of the original backing tracks on Pyromania used a drum machine. Rick Allen added in some snare hits and cymbals when the record was more or less complete. That was deliberate to create impact; i.e. add in cymbals after the vocals and solos were recorded so that they can sit where there’s space rather than clashing.
I’m a black dude who loves Def Leppard! In fact, they are my all-time favorite band! I get the point of this video. However, it’s not that big of a deal whatsoever! Rick Allen is a damn good drummer. Through it all, it ALL came out nice and very decent. This CD is cool. I just knew that it would be! DL just rocks and rocks very well! I have no complaints at all! I have Def Leppard fever, and have had it since PHOTOGRAPH!! Rock on, DL! Peace.
@@richharris9489 - Oh, how nice that must be! Do you have any recorded material or RUclips videos? I would love to hear you! As far as DL goes, I agree with you! The older stuff is a lot better! Still, I support them. I do like how they have progressed over the years. Once I heard and saw the video of PHOTOGRAPH on MTV, I was hooked. I thought, and still do, that they were the coolest band! I am indeed their biggest fan! You sound like you have a good taste in music! Keep up the good work in your band! As long as you keep rockin’, everything will be well! Peace to you, my Brother!
@@richharris9489 - Wonderful! I’ll have to check them out! Thanks for taking the time to inform me! I really appreciate that! Common courtesy goes a long way! Please, keep rockin’! Keep the volume way, way up! Peace to you, again, my Brother! Do your thang! Peace.
In the background, you have a piece of artwork that caught my eye. The Def Leppard/Krokus/Jon Butcher Axis print. I saw that in the flesh when I was a kid in high school in late May 1983. Def Leppard had just recently graduated to headlining status. They opened with Rock, Rock Til You Drop. Joe had the signature Union Jack shirt on. Steve Clark was on fire. Rick was playing a conventional drum setup as the accident hadn't happened yet. They were incredible to see that night. Krokus was great and seeing the trio Jon Butcher Axis was like seeing the Jimi Hendrix Experience. Great night. I feel incredibly fortunate to have caught Leppard at the exact moment they were quickly becoming global superstars.
Hey, I noticed that, too - bc Jon Butcher was a Boston guy, and because I saw that tour at the Cape Cod Coliseum, with Gary Moore in the opening slot (w/ Ian Pace on drums).
We lost Alec John Such a few weeks ago. Most people don’t know that he did not play Bass on Slippery When Wet, New Jersey and Keep The Faith, and shortly after the tour began for keep the faith, he retired. Hugh McDonald played Bass on all of those albums prior to being a member of Bob Jovi. He even played bass on the original demo of Runaway.
I'm a casual Bon Jovi fan (and bass player). I had never heard Bon Jovi live back in the day but I remember a friend lent me a live bootleg cassette of them sometime in the mid-late 90s from when Alec was in the band and I knew instantly that he was not the one on the albums. I was always surprised how long he was playing live with them at that level while not being a very good player.
I understand your confusion and frustration. But to be honest, I kind of respect them for it. I mean, I'm sure it's hard enough to record separately with any drummer. Add Ricks physical limitations, plus the limitations of who can be in the building via health restrictions dealing with the virus... It probably was just easier for the producer to program the drums on a map... the band probably recorded the songs to a click track, the producer took that, and mapped drums over it. Probably much easier to do it that way , just speaking as a musician who does a lot of his own drums that way. BUT... What makes me respect them, is at least they're being open about it. It says right there in the liner notes that the producer programmed the drums. Bands have been having people OUTSIDE the band do the album recordings for years... but not telling you about it. You'd be suprised to know how many of the KISS songs that Peter Criss didn't play on. Same thing with Ace Frehley. It's not uncommon for bands (or producers to force bands) to use session musicians.. particularly if the producer isn't getting what he wants out of one or more of the guys in the band. At least the Leps are being open about it. Thats important I think.
physical limitations? he's on All the other DL Albums, from Hysteria onward, I think it was lame for them to do that. Not sure why Rick was OK with it OR the full story.
I am sure during the shut down, Rick had a kit at home that is 90% electronic that with the add of a few overheads could give a pretty good demo recording. Why wouldn’t you sent the scratch tracks over to your drummer to allow him to put in his idea to the song, then have the producer do the final programming touches in the studio. Unless Rick isn’t interested in the writing at all and would just rather play what they tell him to play?
@@MetalHeart8787 actually, they famously use drum tracks for pyromania and talk about it openly in the video documentary about the recording of the album. They didn't have any shame about it, apparently mutt Lange insisted. And remember, that was back when he was 22 and had two arms. Now he's in his '60s, has one arm. And since they have to use electronic drums anyways on tour, I just can't get myself to get upset about it or care at all.
Mountains out of molehills. Every album since Pyromania has used drum machines programmed by various people. It doesn't change the fact that Rick is a great live drummer. I was fortunate enough to stand 15 feet from him at a concert 20 years ago and he was phenominal, blew me away. Why this even needs a discussion is lame.
I dont mean to knock Rick, but there's got to be fills and patterns he has electronic assist on. There might even be material from the first two albums that he can't play. Who's got the lowdown on that?
"You're a mystery, always running wild..." I agree with you. It's freak worthy at first, but I get it, kinda. Being that I've seen them live since the Pyromania Tour, and know Rick's Amazing Skill (both then and now) I am completely cool with whatever and however they achieve such success. Being the same age as them... I am in awe of their embracing such technology. I do have a question for you: Would you maybe give your opinions on how this new work compares to prior works with Mutt at the helm? Also : Thanks for all you do! You kinda Rock! 💥💯💥
In Pyromania they program the drums using a Fairlight CMI, those drums sounds you can hear it on The Cars Heartbeat City album because they also use a Fairlight to program the drums and other stuff, and we're are talking of a recording before the Rick's accident, apparently Mutt Lange want that sound because it sound more tight and comercial and he was right, after that a lot of rock bands even start to use electronic drums on recordings because of Pyromania success. After that accident he was using a Simmons SDS-7.
Bullshit. Imagine telling Rick "it doesn't make any practical sense for you to record anything for the band." Don't justify a verbal kick too the balls. That's just a bad guess. Ask the band.
I noticed the mentioning of the drum programming myself. Like you when I listen to a new album I like reading through the literature. At first it bothered me because he such a great drummer and such an inspiration. I started playing drums because of him. With that being said I love the new album and the drum sounds are really great and fit each song. I also had to remember that he (to my knowledge) hasn't played on really any studio album since High and Dry. In my opinion the drum sound on High and Dry was much better than Pyromania. Pyromania was a good album but the drums sound so synthetic and programed that I almost never listen to that particular album. As a drummer we love good sounding drums. I enjoy the songs from Pyro. when they perform them live.Mutt Lang really dropped the drum sticks on Pyro.. lol.. But ya know they put out great albums, he's one of the greatest drummer's ever IMO and plays incredible live. The new album is brilliant as was the 2015 Album. I love this bands music and I aways look forward to new material.
Best band ever! And thanks for an intelligent, well thought out reply. Read through the comments and you'll see so many people angry, calling me names, insults, etc. So I appreciate your reply.
Hell yes, the drums sound better on the first two albums! And both tours were killer. But one thing....you started drumming because of Rick? That's not something you hear that often
Yup. In fact, the electronic kit solved a problem. They were able to use the drum samples from the drum machine and add continuity to the drum sound in their live show.
As an old school audio tech, it matters. But with the change in technology and the "times" you do what needs to be done to create. My love for these guys and their talent is way high!!
I am not surprised! To me, he doesn't look like he feels very well. He has lost a lot of weight. But regardless, he still is playing it live. Thanks for that heads up
I noticed it too when I read the sleeve notes and though, huh. Maybe Rick and Ronan spoke about what the parts should be, but Ronan actually did the programming?? It doesn't bother me that much, as he seemed to do a fab job performing the new songs live. And so long as he gets some royalties (I don't know how Leppard divvy up their shares).
As a musician that records a bit, I can tell you the way they recorded the album is close to the new norm. What we do a lot is have every one record their parts then send them in to the producer, then usually have the drums recorded in the studio with a producer. However, a lot of the times the producer may replace parts or all of the drum tracks with programming to get a better more consistent sound. And the technology has advanced so much that it has become something that saves rime and money for bands. Recording drums is always a very time consuming, expensive and overly tedious affair.
And 99% of the drums sounds done that way sound like sh*t as does all the fake drums DL has been using for years. If you think that sounds good you need to check your ears.
And that is exactly why music doesn't sell like it used to. s a recording drummer I agree that recording real drums is time consuming and tedious, you can spend as much time getting sounds as it would take to program an album, but live drums are where all the energy comes from. It may be cheaper, faster and easier but there is no real soul to it
@@mikeglazier5993 agreed 100% an this is why there is a underground movement to support only real bands who really play LIVE instrument. No tracks. No comps. No bullshit.
From Mike Shipley on Pyromania drums: “We had all kinds of drums in there, and I sampled them into the Fairlight and detuned them. We’d sample them in at half-speed, thinking that we’d get a better sound, because that’s when Fairlight was at 8 bits - you had to get around that part of it. We sampled [Ludwig] Black Beauty snares, other snares, and all kinds of bass drums. We ended up with something that Mutt liked that we could detune a little bit.” so basically they used real drums to sample. Seems like they should’ve just used real drums instead of real samples.
Vivian didn't write anything for the album. As far as Rick goes as long as there's nothing wrong with him to where he didn't play, it shouldn't matter. We just want him live. ❤
There is an interview on youtube about ricks drumset. The guy doing the video is the tech/programmer. His set is electronic and he says changes are made during the show. If he needs another Tom or Floor tom he can program the drumset. Honestly i think he played. Go look at the interview and maybe you will understand whet i'm talking about. He is one of the greatest drummers in my eyes. And the band waiting for him to get things together so he can play is amazing. Mad respect for this band.
Of course, yeah. I agree with what you said. Rick is amazing as well as the band. Total stand up guys. I know how his drums work. That doesn't necessarily mean that he played on the new album.
I don’t think Rick Allen played the drums on hysteria either , due to him losing his arm and relearning how to play drums with only one arm, while they were finishing the album! I don’t think he really cares, he is still an integral part of the band, he was there from the beginning, and maybe he didn’t co-write any songs on this new album either but he has in the past, he is still part of the Def Leppard sound!
I heard Hysteria was Jeff Rich. It was noble of them to keep Rick in the band, but also a mistake. He's a bit of a circus freak and his drumming lacks any life and power. The car crash was his fault (showing off to his bird) and whilst I respect their loyalty, they should have kicked him out there and then.
I’m a professional music producer and I can tell you that around 60% of modern mainstream hard rock records are completely programmed today, and 90+% involve drum samples of some kind. As for real cymbals, you’re correct that they typically sound better than programmed, but programmed cymbals have come a very long way to where they are a real option today. Another thing to consider is that drums are the thing you’ll have the hardest time recording at home/remotely. Almost any pro level musician could record guitar, bass and vocals at home with no engineer today, and then send tracks to a producer to put together. Drums on the other hand, even in a traditional sense require a far higher engineering skill level than what most would have. If I were the producer for this album and everyone was stuck remote in lock down, and the drummer of the band played basically an electric kit anyway, I would 100% suggest going to programmed route. I’m sure Rick had plenty of input on getting the parts how he wants them though.
"Drums on the other hand, even in a traditional sense require a far higher engineering skill level than what most would have." I would say with the advancements in technology, electronic drum kits such as Roland and Alesis, are very easy to record, and now do offer an alternative to acoustic drums. I know that the drummer from Twelve Foot Ninja, exclusively uses a Roland kit, and only does acoustic in the LIVE performances. And that studio is in his house. Not a record company provided, or band owned studio. His house. It can be done, and Rick could have done it this way. Just saying. I do it myself with an Alesis kit in my livingroom. But I don't think he played any drums on this album. The omission of his name says so.
@@DrTomoculus you’re 100% correct. I worded that a little weird. I was referring to acoustic drums which isn’t even the scenario we’re talking about here obviously. Electric drums can be done from home pretty much as easily as the other instruments. My thought would be that I’m not sure how much of a setup is required for his very abnormal kit setup and there could have been limitations there. I know there’s a whole team involved with making that kit work correctly live and with strict lockdowns it may have just not been practical.
@@HoustonRoad maybe this was mentioned in the video, but does it list all the other band members as having played on it and not list Rick as having done anything? I would also add that almost anytime you’re recording electric drums, the midi that gets recorded needs some cleaning up and editing. This could be considered drum programming even though it’s not programming from scratch. Music credits aren’t really a standardized thing, you can call that process anything you want.
haven't bought it yet...bought I've heard some tracks..and I'm blown away by this news...i had NO idea...WOW..they still must have programmed the drums to sound like Rick,because I was totally fooled here.
I’d like to hope he at least contributed some tracks to the album. You’d be surprised at how many bands throughout time have used programmed drums and studio musicians for albums, though. Warrant used a studio lead guitarist on their first 2 albums, but I still love them. I think this may be my favorite album since Slang. They’ve let Vivian take a load of solos on it.
Listen to the Saints of Los Angeles album by Motley Crue. The drums are certainly a programmed drum machine (probably done by James Michael) and absolutely NOT Tommy Lee. The credits say Tommy played the drums though. Also it just came out not too long ago that DJ Ashba played the rhythm guitar on the album and not Mick.
Rick Allen had both of his arms for Pyromania, so I don’t understand why anyone think he didn’t play the drums or they would use a drum machine. That makes no sense. And if you’ve watched the Def Leppard movie, you would know that he played an electronic drum kit for hysteria, which was one of the reasons why it took so long for that album to come out.
This is very common and has been going on for many years (with Def Leppard and countless other bands). They've just made it a little more obvious this time in the liner notes.
This is pretty common Def Leppard practice since Pyromania. The only thing that Rick played oddly enough are the cymbals. All the drums are programmed with a Fairlight.
Hi Richard what I’m lead to believe was that Rick Allen played over the top of the drum machine on pyromania. It’s on Def leppard classic albums on you tube. In fact he was so pissed marching in time and wanting to give his opinion to mutt Lange and mutt just saying back when I want your opinion Rick I will ask for it. Rick lodged a drum stick into the studio wall. I know he did come over to Ireland at joes to play on the self titled album. This album not so sure.
I respect any decisions made by the band. I've been listening to them since I was in primary school. That said, I wonder how the songs would sound with all 5 of them jamming together in a studio and record them live. Surely there'd be a different chemistry about it that'll directly or not would contribute to the overall sound of the songs.
One of my first impressions listening to the new record was thinking that there are drum parts that, quite frankly, only a person with two arms could perform.
Def Leppard has had a very programmed sound since Pyromania, so there was probably more a case of Rick Allen recording additional drum sounds to the programmed parts. With all the sound replacement and time alignment taking place in music today, you can’t say those drum tracks bear much resemblance to the performance the drummer did anyways. That’s why Foo Fighters Concrete and Gold was such a great sounding album to my ears, it was super well pre-produced and made for real by an amazing producer who knew how to capture real sounds.
Judging from the drum sounds on every Def Leppard album starting from Hysteria and onward, I believe Rick hasn’t recorded drums and they’ve have been programmed since then. Having said that, I saw them live and he kicks major ass.
Joe Elliott said in an interview that they gave the songs to Ronan and had Ronan do drum programming. Joe stated that he wanted the album released before the Stadium Tour. Rick Allen was ok with the arrangement plus Rick was working on music with his wife Lauren. This is no big deal. They rushed out an album that's all.
I agree not a big deal if they all agreed. Do you remember where you saw the interview? People in the Def Leppard facebook group are going crazy and calling me a liar.
This album was not rushed at all. It was recorded and in the can in late 2020. The band sat on the album until this Stadium tour was finally given a green light. So let's make sure we actually state the facts instead of projections/assumptions. Just because this record was released just before the 2022 Stadium tour does not mean the band recorded this record just before the Stadium Tour C'mon people, smarten up!
@@javtimestwo Joe stated that he wanted it out before the Stadium Tour and not after the Tour! He did have a timeline! It was a great interview that I watched online with Joe and Phil on Talkshoplive.
Yep as a drummer I gotta chime n here too. If you listen to the fills on Hysteria, some are quite intricate, I have never seen Rick play those fills live or even a close rendition of them, love Rick to death and hes a great guy, not hacking on him just pointing this out...
It certainly sounds like drum programming at times, but a lot of it definitely sounds like Rick, he’s pretty distinctive. And why would he not? I can imagine working to programmed drums given the type of recording this time around, but it would be disappointing if Rick didn’t then add his parts.
I lost all respect for Def Leppard after Pyromania. Their first 2 albums are incredible!! But I do like to keep up on Rock news, so thank you for the excellent reporting.
Good work, Sherlock! I guess the ‘remote working from home’ wasn’t possible for Rick. But here is the thing, apparently, according to other band members like Phil and Joe, the band want to record future albums like they did DSH. As it happens, I think DSH is the bands weakest album. A real disappointment given how great the self titled 2015 album was. Perhaps because of the ‘remote working from home’. It may have worked for Joe and Phil but seemingly did not work for Rick and Viv, who made no writing contributions.
To be fair, I watched him play the drums this past Sunday in Orlando. And they performed 3 different songs from their new album. So, unless they were faking it...
Regretted at a 1981 Ozzy concert at Nassau Coliseum being on the backstage guest list but it became too crowded and they gave us free tickets instead - the warmup band was Def Leppard and probably could have met some of them.
As a Super fan, maybe you should reach out to Rick and ask him. Your video shows big respect to Rick. If he were to see it, he'd probably want to set the record straight!
At over 80K views, this video must have been noticed by someone in the Def Lep camp. When I made my "Def Leppard" song, I tried to contact them in every way possible and got ZERO response. Not even a thumbs up on Facebook or Instagram. So if Rick wants to set the record straight, he knows where to find me.
The credits on each song just add the additional detail not covered on the inside front cover. If they represented the full detail for each song, that would mean Sav played no bass, Joe sang no vocals...
Pyromania has a Fairlight drum machine all the way through that album. No live actual drums. The only thing Rick played was cymbals. And this is when Rick Allen had both arms.
Bands do this a lot. The producer can add elements with samples, or they can lay a foundation for the drummer to play to. Killswitch Engage even did this when they record a apart from each other. On Wikipedia it says Rick played drums, and it says the producer programmed drums.
You want a weird mix of live and programmed drums? Look at Bobby Z from Prince & The Revolution. Prince typically recorded with a Linn drum machine. It's all over his classic songs like "Let's Go Crazy" and "When Doves Cry". And since Prince could play all the instruments himself, he'd just overdub live cymbals where he needed them. So that left Bobby Z in an awkward position as the drummer for live shows. If you look at him in concert, he's frequently standing while the Linn beat goes on behind him, and he hits the cymbals at the appropriate time.
I've definitely heard that Pyromania was recorded using a drum machine, a Linn drum machine if I'm not mistaken. That's the sound that the producer wanted, but nobody's ever put it in writing.
@@thebaldshredder what's interesting is the album Heartbeat City by The Cars appears to have no real drums on it even though the drummer's name is listed. Mutt Lange produced that album as well.
@@thebaldshredder Joe admitted to it for Rock of Ages but not the whole album. I think a critical listen tells us there isn’t a lot of difference between Rock of Ages and the rest of the drum sounds on the album so one could connect dots
It was actually a Fairlight sampler. Also used for bass. The last album to use live drums and bass was high n Dry. Everything after is percussion/synth programs.
@@SixStringer09 Thanks for that clarification. I can certainly understand the use of it, particularly for the technical aspect of it. But if you're the drummer you're sort of out in the cold. This new album does credit Rick Allen on drums, but that's all it says. With the other band members it shows where they recorded their individual parts. I'm guessing Rick did not participate but they wanted his name on there.
As someone who has recorded, mixed, and programmed drums to a relatively high level with the same recording software used on Def Leppard’s DSH. (Logic Pro). It is my humble belief that Rick played all the parts on an electronic drum kit, which was Midi’d straight into his computer at home “live” to capture all the parts he wrote, performed and will perform (in his style) in real time, which in turn would be digitally mapped in the process (not recorded, except for maybe the cymbals, later on, but since it’s not mentioned in the credits, maybe not). All that he would have to do then is send the file to the producer (Ronin) to lock the parts into a timing grid so the other guys could all record their parts “in time”, the way that they did, remotely. It makes no sense to do it any other way than the way that they did during the Covid lockdown.
Technically its not “recorded”, its played into a timing grid through midi, which is a “digital information transfer”. Too confusing for most people not familiar with the process to understand.
@@soulcraft79 Yeah... I read all that and much respect for your knowledge and understanding. But it's getting a little late here in Georgia, and now my head hurts...lol Sweet Dreams Guys! 💗
Rick had to give the producer a guide drum track to work from. Otherwise if he didn’t create the drums then the band could be left with songs they cant duplicate live. Just think about it for a moment, who the hell is going to create drum parts for a one armed drummer to duplicate live?, but the drummer himself.
@@soulcraft79 they would still mention the location. he obviously didn't perform on the album. just like hysteria. nothing wrong, sometimes it is convenient.
drum programming is very standard these days in the industry, it transcends well beyond DL or Rick. Nothing bad about it....ask Motley Crue :) It was even more common during COVID era projects for obvious reasons. What some of these bands do is that they record everything on top of a click track to keep tempo and later experiment with different drumming sounds. Rick's kit is electronic, so not really any difference at all in the quality or the sound if it is played live or programmed during the recording as they are the same samples. One thing that you wonder is how much input he has on what to put in the track being programmed, like the type of fills or the composing of the actual beats. He may have well composed those beats and the producer turned that into programming. Many drummers play and write their beats, define the tone, sample the sounds and later someone programs those into the machine, not necessarily the drummer. The writing credits only tell the part of the story. Vivian played with a slide guitar on this album and i am sure he came up with it and it is nowhere on the credits...so go figure. Watch this interview with Rick that explains the process, after the 5 minute mark ruclips.net/video/p3Q261WIFAs/видео.html
This video reminded me to ask you something I wondered sometimes. Every time I listen to those amazing songs from your album Tiger vs Dragon, I'm aware that you play all guitars, electric, acoustic and bass guitar, as well as the keyboards. But how about the drums? It's just a curiosity, but I'd really like to know.
When reading the liner notes myself, I got sad about this. Maybe one day we will all find out the truth about the drums. Nonetheless, Rick plays great frums in concert!
It doesn't matter to me, the fact that matters most is that he can pull it off live which he does every night. I was wondering could Rick have written the drum pieces and just sent them onto Ronan to program into the machine? I've met Rick 3 times and he's just an amazing down to earth person, he actually even started following me on Instagram and I've had a live zoom with his amazingly talented wife Lauren and in jumps Rick, we spent almost a half hour talking. They even sent me a Christmas Card this year. Two amazing individuals. 🤘🙌🥁🎶🎸🌈
I've been a fan since the 80s.. I play drums as a hobby.. I knew that Rick Allen wasn't playing drums back then during recording because I knew real early what electric kits, real kits, and programming sounded like. He has a lot of loops on his kits.. Rick Allen has to learn the songs and they are rather simple. Considering he is getting older, his kits are becoming more straight to the point.. he dont have to reach, everything is right there in front of him. And most importantly, he gets the job done.
you can send in dry guitar tracks and then re-amp them, you can send full range uncompressed vocals to be processed and fixed in the studio, drums take days or even weeks just to get tones right, if rick allen was just gonna play an electronic set and send in midi files, it wouldnt be him playing anyway. they would just be midi files . anybody can do those...
The main thing is that rick allen IS playing the drums live in concert. Def leppard was on jimmy kimmel live playing the single from the new cd and it was rick on the kit. Rock on
Played......NOT played......Makes no difference to me. Rick is there LIVE on stage. Rick's HAMMERING away on the kit, playing pretty much what you hear on their c.d. He never gave up, and always pushed forward. And that my friends, was enough for me. Reason is......I lost my arm in 1987, at 21. Being a drummer my entire life up to that. I thought my days were done and over. Saw what Rick Allen was doing, and I applied the same logic to my kit. Only it is an entire acoustic drum set. No triggers and no samples. ALL ACOUSTIC. Thanks to the incredible SIDEKICK DRUMS snare mount. Allowing me to play my snare or snares like a bass drum, using a bass drum pedal. So like Rick, using his high hat foot to hit a triggered snare pedal. I do the same, on an acoustic snare. Thank you, and GOD BLESS RICK ALLEN.......FOR NEVER THROWING IN THE TOWEL. 🤘🏻💪🏻🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁💪🏻🤘🏻
God bless you Tim Cloutier. Rock on dude 🥁
@Tim Cloutier
Right on Tim. You're story rocks brother. I'm not criticizing Rick. I agree Rick's a badass for the mental strength it took to be the drummer he is after his accident. That took balls of titanium. And the money thing, I know Rick's got enough of that. My initial reaction to Rick not playing on Pyromania, was probably based on my own bad experience with my contract.
Ok we beat this horse to death. Are we done?
Cool story on you overcoming a huge challenge! 👍
Thanks for explaining this to us non-drummers! Helps me understand the mechanics, which I honestly had never considered. Rock on!
@@country_boy7475
Thank you. 🤘🏻🥁
For the drums on Pyromania:
The Drums have been sort of played in by Rick Allen. They used an electronic drumkit and using that MIDI information and feed it into the Fairlight II. They would then quantize it and if changes needed to be made they would do all that in the Fairlight. The sounds for the drums are all samples, part created by Mike Shipley and Mutt Lange in the studio....the Toms are Simmons SDS7. The cymbals were then played live at the end and recorded onto the 24 track. A big challenge was to synchronize the Fairlight to the Studer. They used a Q Lock and an AMS Delay unit for that because the SMPTE sync didn't exist yet.
Writing my BA dissertation about that at the moment :)
Excellent. Pretty technical.
@@thebaldshredder yes indeed! It's crazy what they did back then. It's very hard to find proper academic sources on that though. I hope I can get hold of some people who where involved in making the Leppard albums from the 80s to interview them as primary research. If that works out I will definitely share this information. Will make the dissertation available to the public after hand in.
Awesome! Good luck.
@@thebaldshredder thank you :)
Wow. This is really interesting stuff. I’ve been wondering about it for 40 years. Pyromania is why I started playing drums when I was a teenager.
I found an obscure modern drummer article where Rick says he triggered the Simmons head with his acoustic drums. And then they mixed the acoustic and the Simmons stuff.
But all of this was so ahead of their time. I mean everybody does flavors of this now. But they did it so long ago.
I do similar stuff with my cover band in town. But they did this half a century ago is just impressive.
This is a very interesting point. I hope Rick will open up about it and explain exactly what happened in the studio. And whatever the outcome, if he played on the album or if he didn't... I have nothing but respect for Rick and would totally understand it when he has agreed to leave the drum parts to the producer. The guy created a whole new way of drumming, being the world's first drummer with just one arm ever. He's also a huge inspiration to wounded warriors and he paints amazing art, despite all the hardship and suffering he had to go through after his horrific accident. I've seen DL live many times and Rick is still an amazing drummer, great sound, very powerful and perfect timing. Hats off for Rick, he's a hero.
That’s how it’s always been man. Doesn’t diminish anything from Rick’s story and legendary status as a drummer. At the end of the day he’s loved and is the drummer for a band that’s one of the best to ever do it.
The only Def Leppard albums that have real drums are OTTN and High And Dry. Pyromania and Hysteria are 100% programmed drums. After that Rick would play electronic drums into a sequencer, which itself is essentially ‘programming’. There may be some real cymbals here and there on some albums and I think there may even be some actual real drums on Slang. Basically Def Leppard have always used program drum parts on their albums. But Rick is still a total badass and brilliant live drummer!
Rick is the man! Love him.
@@tamathawalden2037 35 years of being an obsessive Def Leppard fan…..you learn a thing or 2!
In the song photograph you can tell the most that’s they are programmed.
They used real cymbals on Pyromania & Hysteria.
Yup, Mutt Lang would take Ricks sampled stuff and rearrange the parts for the albums.
As long as he's playing on stage live, that's all I care about. the band has talked about since the 80s they have used additional drum machine fills, because they liked the way Depeche Mode sounded back then. Albums are just like movies in my opinion. The actors aren't doing their own stunts, and it doesn't usually take away our enjoyment, so why should this?
Why not get robots to just do all the parts and have no one from the band involved. This sucls
nicely explained I would've never thought of it like that, it's what's on the stage that matters if we just had albums like way back and you had something to read while listening alot people would be surprised who is on the album that they are listening to a good example is Sammy Hagar's 1st solo album after Van Halen all the artists who played on it
If that’s the case then Zeppelin just climbed 7 rungs up the ladder above all three posers
Especially with Def Leppard since Hysteria
Good example 👍
I personally feel that the guys have got to do what they gotta do right now - given all the circumstances. Rick's challenges. COVID. The state of the World right now, internationally, etc. I'd like to hope Rick was playing on the record. But if not... I'm not going to freak about it. I can't wait to see them on tour - with Rick doing his thing behind the kit. I've listened all the way through the new one twice. I am not overly impressed with it. Not my favorite, and I thought the last one (Def Leppard) was a lot better of a record. But I don't hate it. There are probably 4 songs that I really like a lot. Maybe one or two that rocked my world. I was hoping for a little more of a Euphoria type feel. But hey - I'm just super glad they're still doing it, and I also think a couple more of the songs will grow on me. Keep on rockin' fellow Lep Fans.
yeah it's not the greatest, but I'm just glad to have new music from them
@@thebaldshredder Amen, Brother!
Yeah but you'd think Rick could program a drum machine
@@jedsteelwell2354 Agreed. That is a little curious, isn't it? I guess they want the top-notch producers and sound engineers doing it. ?? Not sure. Just glad Rick is rocking the kit - live.
I had the same feeling on my first couple of times listening. But after a few more times I began to appreciate it so much more. It's a great Def Lep album with great guitars and harmonies. Beauty is in the ear of the listener and maybe your still disappointed but having a new Def Lep album compared with so much rubbish being released in the last few years is like a breath of fresh air.
I agree w/ everything that you said, in this video.
Def Leppard is my very favorite band. And, Rick Allen is definitely one of my idols. There's no doubt.
As a drummer for the past 45+ years and having mad respect for RICK and the band I'm a fan of organic drumming, I can appreciate what he has done with his drive and dedication and he's proven himself for years but to be honest they've adapted themselves to Ricks mix of digital and analog playing and even though it's not my cup of tea they've done it quite well!! I'm more a fan of the HIGH AND DRY days but again I'm a fan of acoustic drums.😎✌️ Peace and love to RICK AND THE BAND
Ralph, Rick Allen has been playing a semi-acoustic drum kit since they recorded "When Love and Hate Collide" in 1995. This would continue with 1996's "Slang," and the only synthetic or electronic accompaniment he used was the foot pedal technology, which by that time could sample real snare, floor tom and other acoustic sounds. If you're the seasoned drummer that you claim, just listen to the new album and you'll hear his simplified accents and fills and know right away he's playing it for real. The original poster is NOT a drummer nor musician and doesn't understand the first thing about triggering sampled sounds, even though the late, great Neil Peart, who consulted Rick Allen on the foot pedals, used them right till the end of his touring career.
It’s not a true band if all members are not recorded
Your evidence is not bad, but there is still a chance Rick didn't get a recording studio credit, because he did play and sent exclusivly electronic drums. On the other hand I also don't think Viv and Phil recorded their tracks using miced amps. The way I understand the booklet is...the credits don't need the word additional, because only the additional contributions are listed. You don't read: guitars: phil / viv. You only see their solos listed. You also don't find bass guitar credits for Sav. Only when he played additional guitars. So my understanding is there is a LOT of drum programming going on, but Rick really did play drums. There are so many grooves and breaks being so typical for him, I can't imagine the producer trying to mimic them.
Edit: and....they already play songs from DSH live. It doesn't make sense, letting Rick play what the producers programmed.
I remember being backstage at Alice Cooper in 2005 in Los Angeles. By that time I was fairly used to being around Alice, but then, without warning, Rick Allen walks in. I was not prepared for that and totally starstruck.
I'd love to meet Rick.
@@thebaldshredder he's a small guy, but I remember him walking slowly right past me on my right and it took a moment for me to realize what was happening.
YOURE NOT GONNA FIND ANYONE MORE INSPIRING THAN RICK ALLEN
JASON BECKER: “HOLD MY BEER”
True 😃
It’s up to Rick, at the end of the day. Rick would have had a say in it - programming or not. He rocks the songs live!
I hate to tell you this, but it's not the first time Rick hasn't played drums on a DL recording. Some of the tracks on Pyromania, including the hit "Photograph" are in fact a drum machine. I first heard of this a few years ago when watching a Rick Beato youtube video. He noticed something that I had always questioned as a drummer myself, the timing is too perfect, some of the fills don't sound real, remembering that the technology wasn't quite as good back then, and there's no variance to the cymbals etc. In short, it's programmed. Sounds weird I know, because that was before he lost his arm, but to my knowledge, this would be the first time he hasn't played on an entire album. All I can say is if they did it before, then there's nothing stopping them from doing it again, particularly in this case with it being recorded remotely.
While this is true, during the Pyromania days, Rick hated that. He had an issue with Mutt about it and they fought over that. Mutt really was not always compassionate and he could be blunt to Rick in a way that didn’t always encourage him.
Well, Mutt used the machine and had Rick TRY and drum to that and then mix them. That's the GOD OF THUNDER drums sound. Ur close close, just yeah. Either way, Pyro was WOW
Rick played the cymbals. They used a drum machine. Since the cymbal sounds on drum machines suck & sound fake, Mutt had Rick do the cymbal parts, while playing along on pads. This producing a real feel to the tracks.
I always assumed on Pyromania they used triggers on his drums. Or an electronic kit altogether. The drums sound super fat and powerful so as a drummer myself I just assumed that electronic/triggers was the case. Anyone know for sure?
@@rickstamler5931 There are some things on RUclips with the band and Mutt Lange talking about the recording process, as well as podcasts, with Mike Shipley (the engineer). They recorded/sampled real drums and then detuned/augmented those drum sounds and ran them midi, into a drum machine, which was then programmed. I believe it was a Fair Light drum machine. I believe a lot of the bass parts were recorded on a keyboard using a similar process. Such as the bass on "Rock Of Ages".
Pyromania was one of the first albums I bought as a kid back in '83. I only recently found out that it's all a drum machine on that record. Haven't listened to that album front to back in decades, but whenever I hear a single on radio it changes how I hear the songs.
I feel the same way kinda. ZZ Top's Eliminator also 100% drum machine, also released 1983.
Yes, It was all drum machine as were a ton of 80's bands. Hysteria was also drum machine. This is not really shocking that Rick did not actually play drums, cause they have been doing the drum machine thing for 40 years now. Even when he had two arms. Not a knock on Rick or his abilities which are amazing, I think it's just how they record stuff. A lot of other 80's hard rock bands tried the same thing.
The band Firehouse stands out to me for sure on the song All She Wrote. You can hear those are not real drums a mile a way and then listen to them isolated. Totally a drum machine.
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I don't know. I think Rick hadn't had his accident till after Pyromania
@@scottawes921 That is correct. Him not playing on Pyromania had nothing to do with his future accident, the producer wanted to use drum machines. There is an interview with one of the producers I think where he says Rick Allen (before the accident) had asked "will I get to play drums on this album (Hysteria)?" [asking because he didn't play on Pyromania] and was told yes he would. Then the accident happened. I think he might have still done some percussion/cymbal work on Hysteria along with the programming though.
The "producer" wanted to use all programmed drums and the band told Rick that's what's up? What kind of fucking horseshit is that? That wouldn't happen to my drumtracks baby. Rick should've pushed back. How come I never heard this story? This is an important footnote. Idve popped this guy, for benching me.
Drum machine was used on pyromania , hysteria and adrenalize
Wow, that's crazy. Thank you for sharing this info! Great video.
8:09 You're absolutely right. It doesn't really matter as long as it is great music and then he plays it live. I do love knowing the truth just for the hell of it. But If know 100% that Pyromania was all programmed by Mutt, I'd still love it as I've always have.
Well.... Who plays in the concert... I think I seen Rick Allen playing drums in the concert
That's not what this video is about. Yes Rick plays in concert. Everyone already knows that.
Great video. Love details like that!
I'm pretty sure that Mutt also programmed them on Hysteria during Rick's recovery. There's an interview on here from 87 where Phil and Steve get asked about it. And Steve isn't sure how to answer and kind of gets upset for a second.
What bothers me more than the drum thing is that Viv had no writing creds and I can hear it. Joe and Phil are very pop oriented, and it permeates this record. It misses some of Vivs heavier Last In Line style riffs. I met him at a rally car race (he was driving in, here locally) and never asked him about this record. This was right after the release of Kick, and I found it overly poppy. I did ask him how LiL 3 was coming and he said slow.
I saw in an interview where he said he just didn't have any songs written, which seems totally weird. Yeah the drums seem to be a touchy issue, even with a lot of fans who insist that Rick always plays the drums.
@Tommy E. David Coverdale would like you to believe that he wrote everything...
@Tommy E. In all honesty an interview I saw with Viv he said that he had a Pro Tools setup years ago but hasn't caught up with recent DAW's and updates. He mentioned he used voice memos on his phone more for little ideas he has and then they'd go and track it in the studio if they decided to use it
Def Leppard have been programming drums since Pyromania. To keep the timing locked in perfectly all of the original backing tracks on Pyromania used a drum machine. Rick Allen added in some snare hits and cymbals when the record was more or less complete. That was deliberate to create impact; i.e. add in cymbals after the vocals and solos were recorded so that they can sit where there’s space rather than clashing.
I’m a black dude who loves Def Leppard! In fact, they are my all-time favorite band! I get the point of this video. However, it’s not that big of a deal whatsoever! Rick Allen is a damn good drummer. Through it all, it ALL came out nice and very decent. This CD is cool. I just knew that it would be! DL just rocks and rocks very well! I have no complaints at all! I have Def Leppard fever, and have had it since PHOTOGRAPH!! Rock on, DL! Peace.
Im a black guy who plays drums in a metal band. Old def Leppard is better in my opinion.
@@richharris9489 - Oh, how nice that must be! Do you have any recorded material or RUclips videos? I would love to hear you! As far as DL goes, I agree with you! The older stuff is a lot better! Still, I support them. I do like how they have progressed over the years. Once I heard and saw the video of PHOTOGRAPH on MTV, I was hooked. I thought, and still do, that they were the coolest band! I am indeed their biggest fan! You sound like you have a good taste in music! Keep up the good work in your band! As long as you keep rockin’, everything will be well! Peace to you, my Brother!
My band is psycho prophet we are from boston Massachusetts we have a few clips on you tube
@@richharris9489 - Wonderful! I’ll have to check them out! Thanks for taking the time to inform me! I really appreciate that! Common courtesy goes a long way! Please, keep rockin’! Keep the volume way, way up! Peace to you, again, my Brother! Do your thang! Peace.
You to my freind
In the background, you have a piece of artwork that caught my eye. The Def Leppard/Krokus/Jon Butcher Axis print. I saw that in the flesh when I was a kid in high school in late May 1983. Def Leppard had just recently graduated to headlining status. They opened with Rock, Rock Til You Drop. Joe had the signature Union Jack shirt on. Steve Clark was on fire. Rick was playing a conventional drum setup as the accident hadn't happened yet. They were incredible to see that night. Krokus was great and seeing the trio Jon Butcher Axis was like seeing the Jimi Hendrix Experience. Great night. I feel incredibly fortunate to have caught Leppard at the exact moment they were quickly becoming global superstars.
I also saw them in 1983, but it was August. By then it was Uriah Heep opening up. It was my first concert and I was blown away.
Fantastic. Wish I could have been there! Got to see my Steve in 1987 on the Hysteria tour. Gone but not forgotten!
Hey, I noticed that, too - bc Jon Butcher was a Boston guy, and because I saw that tour at the Cape Cod Coliseum, with Gary Moore in the opening slot (w/ Ian Pace on drums).
Caught the show at the Cap Centre in Largo MD, Gary Moore was the opener followed by Krokus (they were awesome) and Lep, what a night!
We lost Alec John Such a few weeks ago. Most people don’t know that he did not play Bass on Slippery When Wet, New Jersey and Keep The Faith, and shortly after the tour began for keep the faith, he retired. Hugh McDonald played Bass on all of those albums prior to being a member of Bob Jovi. He even played bass on the original demo of Runaway.
Yes, I've known that for a while. I wonder why Hugh was not the official member in the band from the beginning?
@@thebaldshredder I believe he was not available to tour, and was too busy with studio sessions which payed more.
@@TarynnElizabeth619 makes sense
I'm a casual Bon Jovi fan (and bass player). I had never heard Bon Jovi live back in the day but I remember a friend lent me a live bootleg cassette of them sometime in the mid-late 90s from when Alec was in the band and I knew instantly that he was not the one on the albums. I was always surprised how long he was playing live with them at that level while not being a very good player.
Never heard that before.
I understand your confusion and frustration. But to be honest, I kind of respect them for it. I mean, I'm sure it's hard enough to record separately with any drummer. Add Ricks physical limitations, plus the limitations of who can be in the building via health restrictions dealing with the virus... It probably was just easier for the producer to program the drums on a map... the band probably recorded the songs to a click track, the producer took that, and mapped drums over it. Probably much easier to do it that way , just speaking as a musician who does a lot of his own drums that way. BUT... What makes me respect them, is at least they're being open about it. It says right there in the liner notes that the producer programmed the drums. Bands have been having people OUTSIDE the band do the album recordings for years... but not telling you about it. You'd be suprised to know how many of the KISS songs that Peter Criss didn't play on. Same thing with Ace Frehley. It's not uncommon for bands (or producers to force bands) to use session musicians.. particularly if the producer isn't getting what he wants out of one or more of the guys in the band. At least the Leps are being open about it. Thats important I think.
physical limitations? he's on All the other DL Albums, from Hysteria onward, I think it was lame for them to do that.
Not sure why Rick was OK with it OR the full story.
I am sure during the shut down, Rick had a kit at home that is 90% electronic that with the add of a few overheads could give a pretty good demo recording. Why wouldn’t you sent the scratch tracks over to your drummer to allow him to put in his idea to the song, then have the producer do the final programming touches in the studio.
Unless Rick isn’t interested in the writing at all and would just rather play what they tell him to play?
@@MetalHeart8787 Rick didn't drum on Hysteria either. Mutt programed the drums.
@@andrewvazquez54 well they are Electronic Drums, which im sure he programed /edited. I never heard he didn't play on the Album
@@MetalHeart8787 actually, they famously use drum tracks for pyromania and talk about it openly in the video documentary about the recording of the album.
They didn't have any shame about it, apparently mutt Lange insisted. And remember, that was back when he was 22 and had two arms.
Now he's in his '60s, has one arm. And since they have to use electronic drums anyways on tour, I just can't get myself to get upset about it or care at all.
I'm a long time Lepp nerd since 1986...., I don't know what to think I love them just the same
Mountains out of molehills. Every album since Pyromania has used drum machines programmed by various people. It doesn't change the fact that Rick is a great live drummer. I was fortunate enough to stand 15 feet from him at a concert 20 years ago and he was phenominal, blew me away. Why this even needs a discussion is lame.
Well said!!
I dont mean to knock Rick, but there's got to be fills and patterns he has electronic assist on. There might even be material from the first two albums that he can't play. Who's got the lowdown on that?
No real drummer…that much more of a fake corporate product.
"You're a mystery, always running wild..."
I agree with you. It's freak worthy at first, but I get it, kinda. Being that I've seen them live since the Pyromania Tour, and know Rick's Amazing Skill (both then and now) I am completely cool with whatever and however they achieve such success. Being the same age as them... I am in awe of their embracing such technology.
I do have a question for you: Would you maybe give your opinions on how this new work compares to prior works with Mutt at the helm?
Also : Thanks for all you do! You kinda Rock! 💥💯💥
In Pyromania they program the drums using a Fairlight CMI, those drums sounds you can hear it on The Cars Heartbeat City album because they also use a Fairlight to program the drums and other stuff, and we're are talking of a recording before the Rick's accident, apparently Mutt Lange want that sound because it sound more tight and comercial and he was right, after that a lot of rock bands even start to use electronic drums on recordings because of Pyromania success.
After that accident he was using a Simmons SDS-7.
I could totally see that. I think Mutt produced a Mr. Mister album around that time, and those drums sounded similar as well.
Bullshit. Imagine telling Rick "it doesn't make any practical sense for you to record anything for the band."
Don't justify a verbal kick too the balls. That's just a bad guess. Ask the band.
I noticed the mentioning of the drum programming myself. Like you when I listen to a new album I like reading through the literature.
At first it bothered me because he such a great drummer and such an inspiration. I started playing drums because of him. With that being said I love the new album and the drum sounds are really great and fit each song. I also had to remember that he (to my knowledge) hasn't played on really any studio album since High and Dry. In my opinion the drum sound on High and Dry was much better than Pyromania. Pyromania was a good album but the drums sound so synthetic and programed that I almost never listen to that particular album. As a drummer we love good sounding drums. I enjoy the songs from Pyro. when they perform them live.Mutt Lang really dropped the drum sticks on Pyro.. lol.. But ya know they put out great albums, he's one of the greatest drummer's ever IMO and plays incredible live. The new album is brilliant as was the 2015 Album. I love this bands music and I aways look forward to new material.
Best band ever! And thanks for an intelligent, well thought out reply. Read through the comments and you'll see so many people angry, calling me names, insults, etc. So I appreciate your reply.
@@thebaldshredder I think Ronan wants to help Rick out a bit…
Hell yes, the drums sound better on the first two albums! And both tours were killer. But one thing....you started drumming because of Rick? That's not something you hear that often
Great job 👏 for the info 👌👌👌
A meme i recently saw online: "If you are playing air drums to a Def Leppard song with BOTH hands, you are an asshole!!!!!"
lol
He hasn't played drums on an album since High and Dry. They've all been programmed, even before he lost his arm.
Yup. In fact, the electronic kit solved a problem. They were able to use the drum samples from the drum machine and add continuity to the drum sound in their live show.
This isn’t fully true. It was not the entirety of Pyromania. It was only a few songs he didn’t record on.
Where’s your source?
Since they became an elevator music band
@@paistekid source is the man himself and Mike Shipley
As an old school audio tech, it matters. But with the change in technology and the "times" you do what needs to be done to create. My love for these guys and their talent is way high!!
You'd think Rick Allen could program a drum machine half his live kit has been digital for years
I am not surprised! To me, he doesn't look like he feels very well. He has lost a lot of weight. But regardless, he still is playing it live. Thanks for that heads up
It matters that it was never mentioned in the credits. Omission is not pretty. As long as Rick plays live, it really doesn't matter, does it ?
I noticed it too when I read the sleeve notes and though, huh. Maybe Rick and Ronan spoke about what the parts should be, but Ronan actually did the programming?? It doesn't bother me that much, as he seemed to do a fab job performing the new songs live. And so long as he gets some royalties (I don't know how Leppard divvy up their shares).
As a musician that records a bit, I can tell you the way they recorded the album is close to the new norm. What we do a lot is have every one record their parts then send them in to the producer, then usually have the drums recorded in the studio with a producer. However, a lot of the times the producer may replace parts or all of the drum tracks with programming to get a better more consistent sound. And the technology has advanced so much that it has become something that saves rime and money for bands. Recording drums is always a very time consuming, expensive and overly tedious affair.
Agreed. I use Addictive Drums for all my recordings, and it sounds great.
And 99% of the drums sounds done that way sound like sh*t as does all the fake drums DL has been using for years. If you think that sounds good you need to check your ears.
And that is exactly why music doesn't sell like it used to. s a recording drummer I agree that recording real drums is time consuming and tedious, you can spend as much time getting sounds as it would take to program an album, but live drums are where all the energy comes from. It may be cheaper, faster and easier but there is no real soul to it
@@mikeglazier5993 agreed 100% an this is why there is a underground movement to support only real bands who really play LIVE instrument. No tracks. No comps. No bullshit.
We’ll said
From Mike Shipley on Pyromania drums: “We had all kinds of drums in there, and I sampled them into the Fairlight and detuned them. We’d sample them in at half-speed, thinking that we’d get a better sound, because that’s when Fairlight was at 8 bits - you had to get around that part of it. We sampled [Ludwig] Black Beauty snares, other snares, and all kinds of bass drums. We ended up with something that Mutt liked that we could detune a little bit.” so basically they used real drums to sample. Seems like they should’ve just used real drums instead of real samples.
Vivian didn't write anything for the album. As far as Rick goes as long as there's nothing wrong with him to where he didn't play, it shouldn't matter. We just want him live. ❤
There is an interview on youtube about ricks drumset. The guy doing the video is the tech/programmer. His set is electronic and he says changes are made during the show. If he needs another Tom or Floor tom he can program the drumset. Honestly i think he played. Go look at the interview and maybe you will understand whet i'm talking about. He is one of the greatest drummers in my eyes. And the band waiting for him to get things together so he can play is amazing. Mad respect for this band.
Of course, yeah. I agree with what you said. Rick is amazing as well as the band. Total stand up guys. I know how his drums work. That doesn't necessarily mean that he played on the new album.
100% agree.
I don’t think Rick Allen played the drums on hysteria either , due to him losing his arm and relearning how to play drums with only one arm, while they were finishing the album! I don’t think he really cares, he is still an integral part of the band, he was there from the beginning, and maybe he didn’t co-write any songs on this new album either but he has in the past, he is still part of the Def Leppard sound!
I heard Hysteria was Jeff Rich. It was noble of them to keep Rick in the band, but also a mistake. He's a bit of a circus freak and his drumming lacks any life and power. The car crash was his fault (showing off to his bird) and whilst I respect their loyalty, they should have kicked him out there and then.
I’m a professional music producer and I can tell you that around 60% of modern mainstream hard rock records are completely programmed today, and 90+% involve drum samples of some kind. As for real cymbals, you’re correct that they typically sound better than programmed, but programmed cymbals have come a very long way to where they are a real option today. Another thing to consider is that drums are the thing you’ll have the hardest time recording at home/remotely. Almost any pro level musician could record guitar, bass and vocals at home with no engineer today, and then send tracks to a producer to put together. Drums on the other hand, even in a traditional sense require a far higher engineering skill level than what most would have. If I were the producer for this album and everyone was stuck remote in lock down, and the drummer of the band played basically an electric kit anyway, I would 100% suggest going to programmed route. I’m sure Rick had plenty of input on getting the parts how he wants them though.
Thanks Blake! That was an excellent explanation.
But not giving him an acknowledgment is odd.
"Drums on the other hand, even in a traditional sense require a far higher engineering skill level than what most would have."
I would say with the advancements in technology, electronic drum kits such as Roland and Alesis, are very easy to record, and now do offer an alternative to acoustic drums. I know that the drummer from Twelve Foot Ninja, exclusively uses a Roland kit, and only does acoustic in the LIVE performances. And that studio is in his house. Not a record company provided, or band owned studio. His house. It can be done, and Rick could have done it this way. Just saying. I do it myself with an Alesis kit in my livingroom.
But I don't think he played any drums on this album. The omission of his name says so.
@@DrTomoculus you’re 100% correct. I worded that a little weird. I was referring to acoustic drums which isn’t even the scenario we’re talking about here obviously. Electric drums can be done from home pretty much as easily as the other instruments. My thought would be that I’m not sure how much of a setup is required for his very abnormal kit setup and there could have been limitations there. I know there’s a whole team involved with making that kit work correctly live and with strict lockdowns it may have just not been practical.
@@HoustonRoad maybe this was mentioned in the video, but does it list all the other band members as having played on it and not list Rick as having done anything? I would also add that almost anytime you’re recording electric drums, the midi that gets recorded needs some cleaning up and editing. This could be considered drum programming even though it’s not programming from scratch. Music credits aren’t really a standardized thing, you can call that process anything you want.
Being the humble talent that he is, Rick is likely just happy laying it down live with the band he helped create.
haven't bought it yet...bought I've heard some tracks..and I'm blown away by this news...i had NO idea...WOW..they still must have programmed the drums to sound like Rick,because I was totally fooled here.
I’d like to hope he at least contributed some tracks to the album. You’d be surprised at how many bands throughout time have used programmed drums and studio musicians for albums, though. Warrant used a studio lead guitarist on their first 2 albums, but I still love them. I think this may be my favorite album since Slang. They’ve let Vivian take a load of solos on it.
Listen to the Saints of Los Angeles album by Motley Crue. The drums are certainly a programmed drum machine (probably done by James Michael) and absolutely NOT Tommy Lee. The credits say Tommy played the drums though. Also it just came out not too long ago that DJ Ashba played the rhythm guitar on the album and not Mick.
@@tamathawalden2037 Not as much as your spelling
Rick Allen had both of his arms for Pyromania, so I don’t understand why anyone think he didn’t play the drums or they would use a drum machine. That makes no sense. And if you’ve watched the Def Leppard movie, you would know that he played an electronic drum kit for hysteria, which was one of the reasons why it took so long for that album to come out.
The drums for pyromania were sequenced on a Fairlight, Rick played the cymbals. This has been confirmed in loads of interviews and by Rick himself
This is very common and has been going on for many years (with Def Leppard and countless other bands). They've just made it a little more obvious this time in the liner notes.
This is pretty common Def Leppard practice since Pyromania. The only thing that Rick played oddly enough are the cymbals. All the drums are programmed with a Fairlight.
Well, at least they’re honest this time. He didn’t play in hysteria either.
Hi Richard what I’m lead to believe was that Rick Allen played over the top of the drum machine on pyromania. It’s on Def leppard classic albums on you tube. In fact he was so pissed marching in time and wanting to give his opinion to mutt Lange and mutt just saying back when I want your opinion Rick I will ask for it. Rick lodged a drum stick into the studio wall. I know he did come over to Ireland at joes to play on the self titled album. This album not so sure.
Cool. Thanks for the info.
Play drums in studio is very different to playing live. I'm not a def Leppard fan but if he can play live it doesn't matter
I respect any decisions made by the band. I've been listening to them since I was in primary school. That said, I wonder how the songs would sound with all 5 of them jamming together in a studio and record them live. Surely there'd be a different chemistry about it that'll directly or not would contribute to the overall sound of the songs.
One of my first impressions listening to the new record was thinking that there are drum parts that, quite frankly, only a person with two arms could perform.
Def Leppard has had a very programmed sound since Pyromania, so there was probably more a case of Rick Allen recording additional drum sounds to the programmed parts.
With all the sound replacement and time alignment taking place in music today, you can’t say those drum tracks bear much resemblance to the performance the drummer did anyways.
That’s why Foo Fighters Concrete and Gold was such a great sounding album to my ears, it was super well pre-produced and made for real by an amazing producer who knew how to capture real sounds.
Judging from the drum sounds on every Def Leppard album starting from Hysteria and onward, I believe Rick hasn’t recorded drums and they’ve have been programmed since then. Having said that, I saw them live and he kicks major ass.
he didn't p lay on pyromania...that's out there and definitely true.
Pyromania was seriously programmed drums. It's been happening in Lep for decades, starting with Mutt.
Yep, but lots of Def Lep fans can't handle the truth.
Joe Elliott said in an interview that they gave the songs to Ronan and had Ronan do drum programming. Joe stated that he wanted the album released before the Stadium Tour. Rick Allen was ok with the arrangement plus Rick was working on music with his wife Lauren. This is no big deal. They rushed out an album that's all.
I agree not a big deal if they all agreed. Do you remember where you saw the interview? People in the Def Leppard facebook group are going crazy and calling me a liar.
@@thebaldshredder ALSO, Liner notes! Rick Allen thanks Ronan McHugh! 😁👍
This album was not rushed at all. It was recorded and in the can in late 2020. The band sat on the album until this Stadium tour was finally given a green light. So let's make sure we actually state the facts instead of projections/assumptions.
Just because this record was released just before the 2022 Stadium tour does not mean the band recorded this record just before the Stadium Tour
C'mon people, smarten up!
@@javtimestwo Joe stated that he wanted it out before the Stadium Tour and not after the Tour! He did have a timeline! It was a great interview that I watched online with Joe and Phil on Talkshoplive.
@@vaulasaarenoja9937 I heard Joe the other week in an interview & he was clear this album was completed in 2020 & they sat on it since.
He didn’t play on Pyromania or Hysteria. Even before his accident Mutt Lange was replacing his with a drum machine.
Awesome shirt man! A combination of the best Def Leppard albums.
And would you believe I've had that shirt since the 80s! It's true.
@@thebaldshredder That's amazing! I figured you might have had it specially made for yourself.
What a slap in the face to Rick Allen.
Read Wikipedia Rick Allen is listed as playing drums on this album.
🤣 well then it must be true
Yes, Wikipedia knows.
coincidence....I paid attention to this today....when my cd arrived and I started to listen reading the booklet.....🔥🙄
Love Rick and he is a legend but I have had my doubt's about his playing on albums since Hysteria.
Me too
Yep as a drummer I gotta chime n here too. If you listen to the fills on Hysteria, some are quite intricate, I have never seen Rick play those fills live or even a close rendition of them, love Rick to death and hes a great guy, not hacking on him just pointing this out...
@@OdyBeRidin Very True! You have to appreciate what they did for him and continue to do for him. That is loyalty!
Someone is definitely marching to the sound of Ricks drums!!!
It certainly sounds like drum programming at times, but a lot of it definitely sounds like Rick, he’s pretty distinctive. And why would he not? I can imagine working to programmed drums given the type of recording this time around, but it would be disappointing if Rick didn’t then add his parts.
No way to know for sure unless someone in the band says something about it.
Saw him in 86. He was as a good as ever. The notion he couldn't handle Diamond Star Halos is comical
I think he didn't play on pyromania either. But he's still playing live .
I lost all respect for Def Leppard after Pyromania. Their first 2 albums are incredible!! But I do like to keep up on Rock news, so thank you for the excellent reporting.
Good work, Sherlock!
I guess the ‘remote working from home’ wasn’t possible for Rick.
But here is the thing, apparently, according to other band members like Phil and Joe, the band want to record future albums like they did DSH.
As it happens, I think DSH is the bands weakest album. A real disappointment given how great the self titled 2015 album was.
Perhaps because of the ‘remote working from home’. It may have worked for Joe and Phil but seemingly did not work for Rick and Viv, who made no writing contributions.
He didn't play drums on Pyromania, either. It was a drum machine.
Yes. I said that in the video.
To be fair, I watched him play the drums this past Sunday in Orlando. And they performed 3 different songs from their new album. So, unless they were faking it...
I recall one of the documentaries saying the drum machine on Hysteria was decided on by Lange before the Rick Allen accident.
It wouldn't surprise me since he used a drum machine on Pyromania.
Ha - thanks I did not know that!
Regretted at a 1981 Ozzy concert at Nassau Coliseum being on the backstage guest list but it became too crowded and they gave us free tickets instead - the warmup band was Def Leppard and probably could have met some of them.
Where do you guys rank this one as far as DL albums this century? For me it's #1. Self titled #2 Sparkle #3 X #4 I'm not counting Yeah.
For me, X is number one. I know a lot of people don't love it, but I think it's great.
As a Super fan, maybe you should reach out to Rick and ask him. Your video shows big respect to Rick. If he were to see it, he'd probably want to set the record straight!
At over 80K views, this video must have been noticed by someone in the Def Lep camp. When I made my "Def Leppard" song, I tried to contact them in every way possible and got ZERO response. Not even a thumbs up on Facebook or Instagram. So if Rick wants to set the record straight, he knows where to find me.
I have the equipment to tell if it was partial/all electronic. Any sound studio could listen and see by frequency and sequencing bits, what happened.
Rick is one of the last people anyone should criticize .. he is an Amazing Human Being.
I wouldn’t expect him to play on new albums since he didn’t even play on their biggest classic albums.
Why is this so surprising?? Mutt Lange used drum programming on Pyromania.
Yes. I said that in the video.
The credits on each song just add the additional detail not covered on the inside front cover. If they represented the full detail for each song, that would mean Sav played no bass, Joe sang no vocals...
Pyromania has a Fairlight drum machine all the way through that album. No live actual drums. The only thing Rick played was cymbals. And this is when Rick Allen had both arms.
Bands do this a lot. The producer can add elements with samples, or they can lay a foundation for the drummer to play to. Killswitch Engage even did this when they record a apart from each other. On Wikipedia it says Rick played drums, and it says the producer programmed drums.
It doesn't matter to me will always love them
You want a weird mix of live and programmed drums? Look at Bobby Z from Prince & The Revolution.
Prince typically recorded with a Linn drum machine. It's all over his classic songs like "Let's Go Crazy" and "When Doves Cry". And since Prince could play all the instruments himself, he'd just overdub live cymbals where he needed them.
So that left Bobby Z in an awkward position as the drummer for live shows. If you look at him in concert, he's frequently standing while the Linn beat goes on behind him, and he hits the cymbals at the appropriate time.
On Wikipedia, Rick is credited as being the drummer though
I've definitely heard that Pyromania was recorded using a drum machine, a Linn drum machine if I'm not mistaken. That's the sound that the producer wanted, but nobody's ever put it in writing.
Yeah I've heard about that for years, but never seen anyone connected directly to the band admit it.
@@thebaldshredder what's interesting is the album Heartbeat City by The Cars appears to have no real drums on it even though the drummer's name is listed. Mutt Lange produced that album as well.
@@thebaldshredder Joe admitted to it for Rock of Ages but not the whole album. I think a critical listen tells us there isn’t a lot of difference between Rock of Ages and the rest of the drum sounds on the album so one could connect dots
It was actually a Fairlight sampler. Also used for bass.
The last album to use live drums and bass was high n Dry. Everything after is percussion/synth programs.
@@SixStringer09 Thanks for that clarification. I can certainly understand the use of it, particularly for the technical aspect of it. But if you're the drummer you're sort of out in the cold. This new album does credit Rick Allen on drums, but that's all it says. With the other band members it shows where they recorded their individual parts. I'm guessing Rick did not participate but they wanted his name on there.
As someone who has recorded, mixed, and programmed drums to a relatively high level with the same recording software used on Def Leppard’s DSH. (Logic Pro). It is my humble belief that Rick played all the parts on an electronic drum kit, which was Midi’d straight into his computer at home “live” to capture all the parts he wrote, performed and will perform (in his style) in real time, which in turn would be digitally mapped in the process (not recorded, except for maybe the cymbals, later on, but since it’s not mentioned in the credits, maybe not). All that he would have to do then is send the file to the producer (Ronin) to lock the parts into a timing grid so the other guys could all record their parts “in time”, the way that they did, remotely. It makes no sense to do it any other way than the way that they did during the Covid lockdown.
But then I'm curious as to why there is no credit for the location of where Rick recorded his parts, like there is for the other 4 guys.
Technically its not “recorded”, its played into a timing grid through midi, which is a “digital information transfer”. Too confusing for most people not familiar with the process to understand.
@@soulcraft79
Yeah... I read all that and much respect for your knowledge and understanding. But it's getting a little late here in Georgia, and now my head hurts...lol
Sweet Dreams Guys! 💗
Rick had to give the producer a guide drum track to work from. Otherwise if he didn’t create the drums then the band could be left with songs they cant duplicate live. Just think about it for a moment, who the hell is going to create drum parts for a one armed drummer to duplicate live?, but the drummer himself.
@@soulcraft79 they would still mention the location. he obviously didn't perform on the album. just like hysteria. nothing wrong, sometimes it is convenient.
Rick didn‘t play on Hysteria and Pyromania as well. All drums are programmed. That‘s the way Mutt Lange is recording….
drum programming is very standard these days in the industry, it transcends well beyond DL or Rick. Nothing bad about it....ask Motley Crue :) It was even more common during COVID era projects for obvious reasons. What some of these bands do is that they record everything on top of a click track to keep tempo and later experiment with different drumming sounds. Rick's kit is electronic, so not really any difference at all in the quality or the sound if it is played live or programmed during the recording as they are the same samples. One thing that you wonder is how much input he has on what to put in the track being programmed, like the type of fills or the composing of the actual beats. He may have well composed those beats and the producer turned that into programming. Many drummers play and write their beats, define the tone, sample the sounds and later someone programs those into the machine, not necessarily the drummer. The writing credits only tell the part of the story. Vivian played with a slide guitar on this album and i am sure he came up with it and it is nowhere on the credits...so go figure. Watch this interview with Rick that explains the process, after the 5 minute mark ruclips.net/video/p3Q261WIFAs/видео.html
Thanks for the insight.
This video reminded me to ask you something I wondered sometimes. Every time I listen to those amazing songs from your album Tiger vs Dragon, I'm aware that you play all guitars, electric, acoustic and bass guitar, as well as the keyboards. But how about the drums? It's just a curiosity, but I'd really like to know.
I program using Addictive Drums. It's a really great drum software.
@@thebaldshredder 👍
You're talking about who played/didn't play on the album, not specifically the "CD"
When reading the liner notes myself, I got sad about this. Maybe one day we will all find out the truth about the drums. Nonetheless, Rick plays great frums in concert!
They use tracks live
It doesn't matter to me, the fact that matters most is that he can pull it off live which he does every night. I was wondering could Rick have written the drum pieces and just sent them onto Ronan to program into the machine? I've met Rick 3 times and he's just an amazing down to earth person, he actually even started following me on Instagram and I've had a live zoom with his amazingly talented wife Lauren and in jumps Rick, we spent almost a half hour talking. They even sent me a Christmas Card this year. Two amazing individuals. 🤘🙌🥁🎶🎸🌈
I've been a fan since the 80s.. I play drums as a hobby.. I knew that Rick Allen wasn't playing drums back then during recording because I knew real early what electric kits, real kits, and programming sounded like. He has a lot of loops on his kits.. Rick Allen has to learn the songs and they are rather simple. Considering he is getting older, his kits are becoming more straight to the point.. he dont have to reach, everything is right there in front of him. And most importantly, he gets the job done.
I learned the drums at 15. Been a fan since the 80’s as well.
you can send in dry guitar tracks and then re-amp them, you can send full range uncompressed vocals to be processed and fixed in the studio, drums take days or even weeks just to get tones right, if rick allen was just gonna play an electronic set and send in midi files, it wouldnt be him playing anyway. they would just be midi files . anybody can do those...
Yes, and in this case it was the producer.
@@thebaldshredder yup
The main thing is that rick allen IS playing the drums live in concert. Def leppard was on jimmy kimmel live playing the single from the new cd and it was rick on the kit. Rock on
So, if there is no credit for Rick Allen, he did not perform on this album. Someone else did drums.
Here’s a question.
What’s your top songs of the New Def Leppard Album??
Hmm, hard to say at this point. For sure Take What You Want. I need more time with the album. Lots of good songs.