I bought my Sub to wear! Every time I look at it I feel good. I will die with this watch on my wrist and will give it to my grandson , hopefully it will eventually become a family heirloom.
In 2013 I bought a used 16610 Y-Series 2003 model in perfect condition with all papers, boxes and stuff for a total of 4065 Euros. It was the last series with holes in the case and the first model year with that Rolex laser crown in the saphire crystal. A few weeks ago exactly the same watch (Y-Series 16610) was sold on ebay for 5600 Euros. It was a private seller....no watch-shop or watch trader. That's a quite good increase in value imho.
He's relying too heavily on the fact that it's a transitional model. Could've had the new ceramic version for a couple of hundred more. What you paid for this one plus the cost of a service and you're pretty close to a brand new one. ...if you like the old model better fine, but picking this one because you think 50 years from now a 2008 model without papers will be worth more than a 2017 model is simply irrational, imo.
It's NOT a transitional model...it's a standard model that they made gradual improvements to every couple of years so as to justiphy the yearly price hikes.
Hello. I'm the guy that bought this watch. I failed to mention in my email to Arch that it was just serviced before purchase and came with a 3 year warranty. It also did come with the original warranty card. It's been a while now since my email and the rehaut 5 digit subs have gone up roughly 300 or so dollars. I didn't buy the watch as an investment I bought it to enjoy. I guess I'd rather have a rarei-sh (less than three years of production) sub than the ceramic that has already enjoyed a longer production run. I just thought I'd mention the collectibility of the watch in my email. I didn't want that to be the focus but hey. Shit happens.
There's so many of these models out there it's not even funny. ABSOLUTE NO COLLECTIBILITY WHAT SO EVER!!!! I had the old Rolex SD 16600 I bought new in 2007. In 2008 Rolex stopped making them because they were coming out with the Deepsea. I sold it to a kid who thought it would be a collectible. It's now 10 years later and you can't give the 16600 away. No interest. In fact, since the new Red SD43K came out, everyone's running around trying to get the discontinued version that was made for only 3 years and now it to is being discontinued. If you want to invest in something, buy solid gold bars and 1 oz gold coins. That will make you money. Not these fucking watches.
The 16610 had a long production span, from 1988 to 2010? What is worth more on the resale market today? An early model 16610, or a later model as the one in this video?
*Arch* I loved the review. Not sure what I can do to help but will see what the future holds in store for me. . .Best review so far. Nice when you give good advice.
I have a 16610 a-series that i purchased brand new from an AD in 1999 for $3500 i still have everything box, papers even the sales invoice. The difference. on this watch is it has the "Swiss" only dial instead of Swiss Made and they only came out for 1 year from 1998- 1999 i dont know if that little variation will add to the value of the watch.
I have this same late model random M serial with the rehaut engraving. It was the first and only new submariner I purchased new from a AD in 2010 and as the original owner, have all the original box and papers which sits in my closet. While nice to have with the watch, I wouldn't place huge stock on these items. Yes, the rehaut engraved 16610 would be considered a transition model however whether or not it will become collectible in the entire 16610 series run is unknown. Since purchasing it, I've leaned more towards the case holes tritium dial Rolex models in my collection.
The 16610LV is the only 5 digit sub worth investing in. But that's only after another 10 years of holding. No moron should ever think that a standard black dial sub should have investment potential especially since every basic cunter has one. Should have just got the modern 6 digit reference, it's a better watch in every way.
Eh....maybe a late 80's or 90's 16610 or 16613 with holes case and tritium dial and hands...would be the last submariners with patina potential. This guys would be probably less collectible, but more of a good, honest daily driver. 16610 is ophicially not a transitional model like the 16800 or 16803. 16800, especially early models with four digit style dials and hands, are starting to gain popularity as 'wearable vintage' with 4 digits looks plus sapphire crystal and modern mov't.
What model? Try phor a tritium dial (Swiss-T>25) prepherably. Iph it has one, talk him down because it no longer has a lume. Iph it doesn't, talk him down because it can't patina.
Agreed. To be an investment, a watch must do more than simply hold its value. At the very least, it must increase in value by 2.5% per year just to keep up with inflation. To be a mediocre investment (as compared to other types of investment available) it must increase in value by 5% per year. That means it will double in value every ten years. How many watches in your collection are doubling in value every ten years? Those qualify as investments, although not good ones: for the high risk, you should be earning far more than 5% per year. But at least they are investments.
I bought my Sub to wear! Every time I look at it I feel good. I will die with this watch on my wrist and will give it to my grandson , hopefully it will eventually become a family heirloom.
In 2013 I bought a used 16610 Y-Series 2003 model in perfect condition with all papers, boxes and stuff for a total of 4065 Euros. It was the last series with holes in the case and the first model year with that Rolex laser crown in the saphire crystal. A few weeks ago exactly the same watch (Y-Series 16610) was sold on ebay for 5600 Euros. It was a private seller....no watch-shop or watch trader. That's a quite good increase in value imho.
He's relying too heavily on the fact that it's a transitional model. Could've had the new ceramic version for a couple of hundred more. What you paid for this one plus the cost of a service and you're pretty close to a brand new one. ...if you like the old model better fine, but picking this one because you think 50 years from now a 2008 model without papers will be worth more than a 2017 model is simply irrational, imo.
It's NOT a transitional model...it's a standard model that they made gradual improvements to every couple of years so as to justiphy the yearly price hikes.
Hello. I'm the guy that bought this watch. I failed to mention in my email to Arch that it was just serviced before purchase and came with a 3 year warranty. It also did come with the original warranty card. It's been a while now since my email and the rehaut 5 digit subs have gone up roughly 300 or so dollars. I didn't buy the watch as an investment I bought it to enjoy. I guess I'd rather have a rarei-sh (less than three years of production) sub than the ceramic that has already enjoyed a longer production run. I just thought I'd mention the collectibility of the watch in my email. I didn't want that to be the focus but hey. Shit happens.
The new model sucks. They ruined it with the case design, it’s horrendous.
There's so many of these models out there it's not even funny. ABSOLUTE NO COLLECTIBILITY WHAT SO EVER!!!! I had the old Rolex SD 16600 I bought new in 2007. In 2008 Rolex stopped making them because they were coming out with the Deepsea. I sold it to a kid who thought it would be a collectible. It's now 10 years later and you can't give the 16600 away. No interest. In fact, since the new Red SD43K came out, everyone's running around trying to get the discontinued version that was made for only 3 years and now it to is being discontinued. If you want to invest in something, buy solid gold bars and 1 oz gold coins. That will make you money. Not these fucking watches.
The 16610 had a long production span, from 1988 to 2010? What is worth more on the resale market today? An early model 16610, or a later model as the one in this video?
Oh, is this a "watches are good investments" week? I think last week was "watches are terrible investments". I have so much trouble keeping track!
rental car?
*Arch* I loved the review. Not sure what I can do to help but will see what the future holds in store for me. . .Best review so far. Nice when you give good advice.
I have a 16610 a-series that i purchased brand new from an AD in 1999 for $3500 i still have everything box, papers even the sales invoice. The difference. on this watch is it has the "Swiss" only dial instead of Swiss Made and they only came out for 1 year from 1998- 1999 i dont know if that little variation will add to the value of the watch.
I own a 16610 full set, also 2008. Bought it 3 years ago and it already went up 1.000 EUR.
Mad Man try sell it
Why should I? Love this watch.
I have this same late model random M serial with the rehaut engraving. It was the first and only new submariner I purchased new from a AD in 2010 and as the original owner, have all the original box and papers which sits in my closet. While nice to have with the watch, I wouldn't place huge stock on these items. Yes, the rehaut engraved 16610 would be considered a transition model however whether or not it will become collectible in the entire 16610 series run is unknown. Since purchasing it, I've leaned more towards the case holes tritium dial Rolex models in my collection.
Another unsolicited polar explorer suggestion. Sigh. Guess it was good while it lasted.
What happened to this Archie??? This is great!
6200 dollars.. wow.. Times have changed...
look at them now
You can work part time as well.
The sea dweller will be more of an investment if you ask me..! (16600 ) for one..!!!
phisto
Mark Phister well done sir oph monte phisto
Mark Phister Phisting is most apparently not just your job, it's your pashoon.
I'm a dedicated phollower of phisting.
your phormidable phisting ephicacy is like no other rispecktostti
Mark Phister minty phisto
Ok, so your dad has a Merc....
The 16610LV is the only 5 digit sub worth investing in. But that's only after another 10 years of holding. No moron should ever think that a standard black dial sub should have investment potential especially since every basic cunter has one. Should have just got the modern 6 digit reference, it's a better watch in every way.
Bullshit - 16610, 16710, 16700.
16803, holes, tritium dial and hands
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I need a cold shower and a phree juice aphter todays relentless phisting
Eh....maybe a late 80's or 90's 16610 or 16613 with holes case and tritium dial and hands...would be the last submariners with patina potential. This guys would be probably less collectible, but more of a good, honest daily driver. 16610 is ophicially not a transitional model like the 16800 or 16803. 16800, especially early models with four digit style dials and hands, are starting to gain popularity as 'wearable vintage' with 4 digits looks plus sapphire crystal and modern mov't.
clyde a what did you pay for the TT sub, what year?
1985, early in on the 16803 series, paid $6200; a true transitional.
clyde a good buy I'm trying to buy one off a friend. I'll let you know how it goes
What model? Try phor a tritium dial (Swiss-T>25) prepherably. Iph it has one, talk him down because it no longer has a lume. Iph it doesn't, talk him down because it can't patina.
clyde a You have an early one with tritium dial. He has a 2003 16613 full set B&P for £5000 or $6400. needs a quick sale
Ah Arsey, give up on the IWC shitter, you made a big mistake there, you should have taken your own advice
Great vid big boi but stop speaking like my grandpa for God sake! ;)
$6,200 without papers? PHISTED!
Phist
In the future nobody living would have grown up with watches, so your FOOL-EX will be worth 0 (ZERO) dollars!
Agreed. To be an investment, a watch must do more than simply hold its value. At the very least, it must increase in value by 2.5% per year just to keep up with inflation. To be a mediocre investment (as compared to other types of investment available) it must increase in value by 5% per year. That means it will double in value every ten years.
How many watches in your collection are doubling in value every ten years? Those qualify as investments, although not good ones: for the high risk, you should be earning far more than 5% per year. But at least they are investments.
phist
phirst?