Erudite's presence makes it really obvious how terrible Ana is. Her tantrums and the way everybody calmly speaks to her and consoles her like a whiny child. I don't know how she isn't embarrassed.
You could actually argue that Ana is a perfect representation of what the rest of the panel is trying to highlight. She demonstrates every single behavior that people worry about when it comes to rape accusations. Of course, I'll add the obvious caveat that she is an outlier but on a large scale, a small percentage of Anas can cause a lot of damage. It's such a thorny subject because people who perceive the world the way that she does, seem to truly believe they have been raped or abused but then when she answers specific questions, you realize she has an insane definition of those terms. It also ties in to some of the accepted concepts of what people believe as being contributors of rape culture. Like labeling a clearly hysterical person as acting hysterical or eratic. This is considered language that is basically rape apologia. It's probably not helpful to use that language but goddamn... sometimes it's just true. This subject just has so much motivated reasoning taking place on both sides of the argument.
Also doesn’t help she’s doing fucking anime weeb vtuber shit while everyone else is just in front of a camera. Really is the icing on the cake of her coming off like a child.
Props to notsoerudite for keeping her cool with Ana. Its pretty obvious that Ana attacks her specifically bc she feels threatened and insecure by her presence.
notsoerudite probably has dealt with crazier. I feel kinda sorry for Ana. She realised how much better erudite came out in that exchange then got insecure and lashed out.
I think she wants to feel like an authority in conversations like this based on her education, but has a hard time doing it when there is someone with equal or more education and knowledge.
If someone somewhere is actually letting this women council other human beings then my faith in "mental health professionals" has drastically decreased.
My wife had a roommate that was batshit, went through her other roommates rooms, if their phones were left out she’d go through them. She was awful, she was also going to school to be a psychologist. When she went to graduate school many people in her undergrad program assured my wife and her friends that her professors in grad school would immediately identify her as someone who couldn’t cut it is a psychologist. Nothing happened, she’s a licensed psychologist and she’s absolutely nuts.
@@rainmaker6261 Oh no, I don’t think she slipped through the cracks, I just think it’s something that should be identified and pulled out but it just isn’t, and it seems like people think programs are better at it than they actually are. Or if they even care, they’re getting the tuition, for all I know they don’t give a shit I’d they’re getting that cash.
i've had experience with therapist who weren't too far-off from her in terms of ego/narcissism. they give freaking anybody those jobs these days. that's why you gotta shop around a lot to find a good therapist.
@@cosettapessa6417 who therapists? sure that's their job. but not every therapist is right for every person. some people just want a therapist who will agree with everything they say and reinforce their ego, and there are therapists who do that (bad therapists). but if it works it works, and there's certainly a market for that. good therapists will try to help you form an objective understanding and clearer image of yourself so you can change and become a better person, but not everyone appreciates those kinds of therapists.
Ana felt threatened by Erudite because she’s everything she thinks she is but in reality. But in Ana’s mind she’s the smartest Edit: lol Ana at 51:30 vs 55:34… in 4 minutes she completely contradicts herself
@@jaeslow6347 I only ever see her on destiny's stream, but i agree. She is clearly a very intelligent person and it's enjoyable listening to someone who actually argues in good faith, which seems rare nowadays.
lol I had the same thought. I usually can't stand Fanatiq's moderation style, but he was the crotchety old substitute teacher we needed for this panel.
She’s a streamer and she wanted to be on the panel. If they denied her a place on the panel she’d start accusing everyone of conspiring against her and blame destiny. They are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
Absolutely. There are two people here that should never talk to each other, ever, and they both know this. I don't even know what to say here, except you reap what you sow. Expect years of stalking, Destiny
so fucking true, and that star chick really needs to stop going UHHHH UHHHHHHHHHHHU HHHHHHHHHHHHHU HHHHUHUUHUHUHHHHHHHHHH and speak like a fucking human, not like a fucking computer with processing lag
People underestimate how chill Destiny is. I’d get stressed from playing Elden Ring or talking to dumbfucks, and he’s doing both and being super chill. My boy Steven has truly reached Zen.
@@treyxntreyxn Obviously, sure Ana was relapsing back into the loop, but our boi fell into the worst loop possible for gamers health and sanity "just one more try and then I'll go to bed and get some sleep". He kept telling himself that after all his friends went to bed and after he was streaming for over half a day!
Saw this live. It's insane that Destiny essentially has had to capitulate to his abuser/stalker just because she's a cute white woman who manipulates people by speaking in a cute baby voice after lying to and screeching at people for half an hour. Roles reversed...yeah, you know the script.
He doesn’t HAVE to. He chose to. She’s a nightmare, and unfortunately, she will always be a nightmare. And, if a cute baby voice manipulates you, you must be one sorry excuse for a human, because I just find that crap cringey. Not you….whoever falls for it. It’s pathetic.
@@pommiebears It's easy to say he doesn't "have to" but when you have someone that literally won't stop spreading lies about you being a manipulative narcissistic abuser and any time you challenge them and ask them to stop they say "no, I won't stop until you accept my deluded version of reality" he really has no choice but to say "fuck it, arguing with her is gets me nowhere. I just have to live with this person spreading lies about me"
Totally agree. He's her emotional captive. It's like when a high school girls bf breaks up with her and she spreads lies and bad sentiment to every person who may come in contact with him until he's forced to speak to her and then she emotionally manipulates him back into a relationship. Rinse and repeat until they go off to college...only the internet is forever...
@@SuperGreat23 right. she intentionally associates herself with people Destiny talks to and continues to character assassinate him, and people expect Dest to just...not care? am I missing something? why are we even having this conversation when we know this would be extremely fucked up if Dest was a woman?
The hilarious thing is she will once again blame Destiny for everyone thinking she is batshit crazy when it's her own opinions and attitude that makes her look that way.
and she literally called him an abusive piece of shit iirc in this panel, after supposedly the loop being broken a few months back. bitch is like, childishly evil.
How can a woman use Twitter and come out normal on the other side? If you are sure you prefer a female therapist, try to look for someone too old to use the internet.
That last 15 minutes really spells out how someone who actually understands psychology in a practical sense works versus someone who claims to understand it. Watching Erudite deescalate things with Ana, get her to admit how disconnected her emotional outburst was with reality, and resolve the issue in mere minutes was a thing of beauty.
Time and time again Ana proves she is not up to have any of these conversations. She is not psychologically able or mature enough. She’s so emotionally out of control. By the way, Ana is still not actually reading any of these studies, she said her proof was lit reviews, not the actual research.
@@starlord157 it doesn't hit the ear correctly. if they were to say "she is not psychologically able or mature enough, either" that would be the ideal word
@@pattiesonamfgrill "too" and "either" are both superfluous due to the "or" earlier in the sentence. I think you could replace the comma with a period and call it a day
She must live in a real precise bubble/echochamber. She is mad that she was the only one with her opinions, but since her opinions are so radical it makes sense that she would be in the minority with the extreme takes. Hopefully this was kindoff a wakeup call.
which again shows that society isn't as bad as she claims, not even close since she is able to say things like that and people still have the patience to take her seriously.
@@JohnDoe-si4eg Oh you were raped? Well one time I hooked up with a guy and then he gave me a laptop battery, and stonewalled me. So maybe your problems aren't so big after all.
Holy shit, I started by just listening to this and I couldn’t tell Ana and Stardust’s voices apart. I thought it was Ana vehemently disagreeing with herself like she was Gollum and I was so confused
Ana and Jade were in a call with Steven a day later and I had the exact same problem: "When did Ana start visiting the gym and acting like a normal person?" "Why is Jade going crazy and claiming Steven abused her?" "OHHHHHHH. Never mind, I'm just sexist."
Ana: It doesn’t happen! Destiny: It has literally happened in court cases before, so idk why you’re saying it doesn’t happen Ana: BC IT DOESN’T Flawless argument
If you’re accused of rape, you’re allowed a defence, Ana! This means you are allowed to enter RELEVANT information about the accuser into the court case. The prosecution can always object on relevance, and the defence can give the grounds for relevance, then the judge will either allow, or disallow it.
Unfortunately, there's already been a very long (over a year) arc of this concept failing to register in her mind when she was accusing Destiny of r*pe.
Ana, word of advice for the future. Give your argument instead of insulting everyone. You said nothing except what (and I mean this literally) a 7 year old child would say when they are mad at the grown up for correcting them. Throwing a tantrum.
Yeah, if she could actually have enough maturity to articulate her points she could potentially do a tiny bit better but she just shoots herself in the foot with her own attitude every time.
"Erudite you're like really disappointing me honestly" "Ana you're disappointing me a lot more" made me stop and spit out my drink. This dude is really treating her like a mouthy child.
Sometimes, when an adult acts like a child, you have to speak to them as a child. It’s condescending, sure, but it’s effective to (within reason) match the energy.
I think going forward, erudite should be in every panel ana is in. Every single time Ana tries using her "knowledge" someone who isn't clinically insane that has the same or higher education is so valuable so she can't dismiss people offhand. Also, "show me the data, show me the data, show me the data!" While not actually citing anything is pretty impressively unhinged.
I am confident, and would bet money that Ana was removed from becoming a therapist. The fact that notsoErudite shows such knowledge and calmness while Ana is screaming and has no capability whatsoever to discuss things assures me that schools know what the fuck they are doing and any fear of Ana seeing patients will not happen.
I can tell you that at least in Poland, there are no people that can be "forbiden" of being therapist, almost at all. I know people that finished their psychology degrees that would allow them to become therapists, even though they had autism or other mental disorders that I would argue were too severe to be allowed. Because of my experience I wouldn't be surprised if a person with schizofrenia could actually see real patients of its own. I'm talking specificaly about Poland since there is no actual law regarding psychology and giving therapy here, unfortunately ._.
@@pionuwa Yeah, but Poland is irrelevant in this conversation about North America by Americans. It wouldn't be allowed in places like Australia, UK, USA etc.
This is going off of the assumption that she actually did go to school to be one. For all we know she went to community college for one semester and took one psych class. And that assumption seems to be the more likely.
@@JM-tj5qm I believe she only had one (supervised) client, briefly. Like maybe for a couple months. And that's if we take her at her word on this (which would be an insane course of action given her prior behaviour).
Destiny actually vouched for anna to be in the convo. Fanatic wasn't going to have her because he worried she wouldn't be civil. Destiny mentioned this in his follow up conversation with ana yesterday
I'm legit curious: Is she saying that addicts are likely to be liars or that liars are likely to become addicts? Wtf is she claiming, exactly? That addicts might be overrepresented makes some sense. It doesn't say anything about the general prevalence of false accusations though.
@@infantiltinferno I - being the most faithful and good person among us - believe that she's saying "if a lady services you in exchange for drugs they have a far higher chance of accusing you of rape when you charge them money for the drugs anyway."
But she's the BEST ambassador for the other side. If someone get accused of sexual assault, just show Ana as evidence of how mentally ill women that accuses ppl of sexual assault are.
Omg Ana was so insecure that she literally came back to the group to receive a free therapy session from Erudite. Why does everyone need to constantly baby her just because she's unable to accept different opinions in a DEBATE and perceive EVERY disagreement as a personal attack. How narcissistic could she be to think that she's the victim in every conversation. They really shouldn't platform her in any debate panel as it really derails from any healthy discussions.
White women aged 15-30 can literally do anything in their world. They are the most privileged group of humans ever conceived. Also think the reason so many social rights activists seem to be HR white women is because after 30 their social standing goes down so hard that they have the most drastic impact of their privilege.
Yea she shut her down with grace. I can't stand this over emotional baby Ana, she says that everyone else's opinions are bullshit when she is the one basing her opinions from an over emotional and irrational framework.
@@H22prelude32 She's basing her opinions off a list of references framed in a methodology that only serves to validate her predispositions on the subject. Even if they are good sources it's not ideal to base conclusions on the six articles you found on jstor. Otherwise this shit happens lol. I actually understand why she's devastated. I'm too lazy to write a new draft for a paper.
its really fun seeing ana and erudite talk about studies. Ana reads studies, but doesn't understand them. Ana will believe any study she reads because she doesnt have the background to challenge it. Erudite on the other hand is a practicing professional. When she reads a study, she understands it so she doesn't have to take the study at face value. She has the tools to read a study, and challenge things like methodology. That difference is just really cool to see, because they are coming from the same information but ending up at completely different conclusions.
That's because Erudite can understand those running a study like she said can skew the questions to get the answers they want. Take the famous study from 2007 which gave us the 1 in 5 statistic for rape on college campuses. That study was a survey study done on 2 campuses but there wasn't a question that asked if they had been a victim of sexual assault, instead they asked them if they had encounters they later regretted. If the student said yes then they counted it as a rape. Many people have debunked the study breaking it down showing the study is false yet tons of people parroted the 1 in 5 statistic including the President at the time Barrack Obama. This study brings up the point some of the panelists made where things are being counted as rape which shouldn't be. If you have an encounter with someone then regret it weeks later but consented at the time you shouldn't be able to go around claiming you are raped which then is ruining the reputation of the person you slept with. Rape is arguably the worst act anyone could do to another person and it should be taken seriously and not an accusation to throw around lightly.
Ana constantly tried to toss out random opinion articles on websites like psychology today as evidence, so any time she says she’s going to use a ‘study’ as a defense to back up her claims I just cringe.
"Plenty of researchers have said..." "There are plenty of studies that have proposed solutions that prove I'm right...." God I hope this chick never ends up on a jury...
I am beating a dead horse here but I'm new and never have experienced Ana before. It blows my mind that after everyone else gave their opening statements which all pretty much agreed with 99% of what she ended up saying, her own opening was so aggressive. If you can't handle even the slightest amount of disagreement why are you going on panels like this?
The irony of Fanatiq trying to have " adult conversations" and inadvertently having potentially the BEST dramatic s# t show, throw down debate is killing me! He even creates some of the drama! Why won't he embrace the MEME'S!!?? Actually. Maybe he is.... Maybe this is galaxy brain stuff?
I usually don’t like Fanatiq very much but I have to say, he might be the best moderator I’ve seen yet on these type of panels. He actually lays down the law and keeps things moving when people get unhinged.
@@gountaa Exactly, its why its so hilarious, he either doesn't know what he's doing or his over confidence, followed by complete mishandling make's everything perfect comedy. He is the perfect straight man ( in the comedy sense)
Nobody. Fnatic is a liar. He's not trying to host responsible conversations. He's not trying to avoid content farming. He's clearly trying to do this shit just by the people and topics he chooses to have. If he was, he would have all these people MINUS Ana. There is great nuance between them. If they really dug into the conversation, they would have disagreements. Fnatic needs to pick a topic and have some good, deeprooted questions. Not surface level, easy to answer questions.
Ana is an exercise in the futility of changing things that are out of one’s control. The sooner you accept that the scorpion stings the frog, the sooner you will find the meaning of happiness.
This girl is too emotional to counsel anyone about trauma. She can't even have a conversation on a topic she studies and works in where everyone is using kid gloves with her.
Completely agree. Not counsel anyone with trauma, nor someone who has violence, anger, or tendencies on this topic. She has spent no time understanding all sides.
Psych degrees are filled with people like this which is why it’s one of the softest sciences in existence and regularly hard to take seriously. The degradation of the profession in real time is evident.
Immediately comes in screaming like a maniac then can’t understand why people say she’s crazy. Or maybe come at her with the same energy she brings to everything
I think it's more embarrassing for her that everybody is speaking to her like a child, all calm and trying to console her and her feelings. She isn't capable of having these discussions and seeing her throw tantrums while everybody else is level headed exposes how insane she is.
@@Mrraerae he gets one shot by her a lot. And to be fair if you were talking and having a debate while playing against a challenging boss you’d suck too. Not a dis on you I’d suck too any time I’m playing apex if my dog just touches my leg it takes me out of the zone.
@@Mrraerae also there are not many bosses in those games that are harder to beat without getting hit than that one, unless he's busted out bloodhound step yet
Idk who is Ana’s worst enemy, Taft or Erudite. I’m leaning toward Edudite because of their shared profession, but Taft because she’s ruthless and witty and very, very willing to stake out a position and defend it.
Rape Culture is a toxic term that we probably shouldn't use. I'm glad it's left the main stream discourse for a while but Destiny seems keen in bringing it back. It doesn't intuitively describe what it claims to and it causes greater harm to men. It reminds me of the "Trust all women" slogan that was popular around the same time.
I've argued against people who've claimed that most men are responsible for rape culture, it's an extremely irresponsible phrase and it's not helpful in discussing these topics
yes you hit the nail on the head. Even though rape culture was a term created to represent the fact that some victims have a hard time comming forward and that some people are ok with bad things associated with harassement, the word was clearly chosen to insinuate much more. The word culture makes our minds think that there's actually people that practice rape as a normal thing and that is a widespread accepted thing. Which clearly isn't. THere are some people that see it as ok or tend to think "it's not a big deal"? yes. But as a culture we don't see it that way. As a culture we all despise it and people are extremely against it. Individual people are not a culture. That's why the term is so toxic. The words chosen don't accuretly represent the definition and where chosen to imply something that is not true.
Ana depends so much on studies in an incredibly irrational way. She has emotional intuitions and then uses a study to justify them, without any understanding of how to contextualize the studies she cites. That’s why she’s constantly saying “This study proves me right.” I’m an hour in and Ana hasn’t summarized a single study. Meanwhile Erudite is able to convey the conclusions and limitations and context and methodology of the studies she cites.
The best way to debate Ana is to start the debate by copying and pasting 30 long and random peer-reviewed sex research studies in discord and then proceeding to say that all of your opinions are based on studies.
I was thinking recently, I think the way she acts is a net positive for the culture of Twitch debates/panels. There’s a huge benefit of having a misinformed devils advocate in these environments. Despite how crazy she is I honestly think she’s invaluable for these conversations as a great example of someone who gets triggered by facts. Aka Hasan with tits.
A lot of people are shitting on fanatiq but honestly he did a really great job at incorporating Ana. For real I don't like him that much but he was really good at handling Ana's psyche and the overall courtesy. He was unhinged before but so was Dylan in his first debates so I'm willing to cut the guy some slack. The way he stopped a lot of Ana's rage antics wouldn't have been replicable by anyone not even destiny on this panel.
I don't understand why Ana was so defensive from the very beginning of this whole discussion. She was instantly hostile for no reason. She really doesn't have the mental fortitude to exist in this space. I wish she saw it for herself :/
If you know the backstory, Ana was once in a sexual relationship with Destiny, who is also on this panel. Destiny however ended things with Ana once he started seeing red flags suggesting that Ana was becoming obsessive. Ana did not take the rejection very well and went on a live stream panel with Zharka where she literally cried for 3 hours, accused Destiny of being heartless and cruel and then threaten to unalive herself. Literally, the only reason why she’s here is in bad faith. She just wants to “get even” with Destiny by infringing on his debate space.
"You can't just claim that anyone can make false memories." Lets see... We know psychologists can. We know they teach and warn you about it on school. People routinely do it to themselves as a coping mechanism... Sounds like... Anyone can do it if they know how to do it.
Nah bro, you just don't understand, creating false memories is a mystical art that needs to be honed and trained for years. This power is restricted to those in advanced psychology courses and high ranking members of the dark triad
I grew up thinking I had a beagle when I was little. Until I brought it up when I was 25 and my mom told me that never happened. Yes it's very minor but I legitimately thought it was true my whole life until then. Really changed my perspective on how memories are formed.
NotSoErudite: We must be careful when using this data because of reasons A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, and I. Ana: I'VE GOT A STUDY!11!1!! We're both doing our masters, we're the same!!one! 🤤
I like how the more she talks, the more rigid, self righteous, and immature the basis for all of her beliefs are. Her talking does way more explaining than Destiny could ever do.
In almost every debate panel anytime someone says "the data is on their side" it's 99% likely they don't have a clue about what they're talking about and cherry picked highly flawed research to support their arguments. Most people just read an abstract, then skip to the conclusion and say "Look, evidence I'm right!". EDIT: Should note this applies regardless of education levels. There's full on doctors and medical professionals toting utter BS and quoting terrible research. Or they ignore the limitations of the research yet still claim a position of being right without acknowledging limitations of research.
@@incognitojon902 If you can't understand the information in a study, whether it is valid, it's flaws, or the data itself at a basic level..... you probably shouldn't be using the study to prop up an argument. As you clearly lack any of the knowledge required to argue the topic with any authority. You're getting 2nd hand opinions of people and just taking them at their word without validating anything.
Ana clearly isn't ready to have a normal conversation about this topic. She came in with a "me vs the world, and I'm always right" mindset, and it shows instantly.
Her involvement in this panel seems like it is just an attempt to validate all her abuse accusations from the Ana Arc. That's how it sounded to me anyway. She really dug in every time someone mentioned false or exaggerated accusations. It's funny because she pushes so hard to suggest that false claims can't really be proven, therefore false claims don't happen. But then she wants the opposite standard applied when a claim can't be proven true. It's bizarre...
I think a really relevant comment from a previous debate w Ana and a fair amount of the panelists is from a therapist whom viewed it; (My fault for copying your comment sir all credits to you) “Unsure why this wound up in my YT recommendations or what possessed me to listen to it, but here we are... As a therapist I am very concerned about the state of Ana’s mental health and hope she accesses proper help to process the dissolution of this relationship, as well as evaluate the impact of social media and having an online presence has on her mental health. I also hope she is able to find a way to walk the line between her student/professional life and her private life in a more healthy and non-maladaptive manner. Once you are trained in this field it is very easy - and extremely tempting - to want to view, analyze and label every person and situation through the mental health lens. Just skimming my DSM I could diagnose every single person I know with at least two mental health disorders - and give myself ten. But I do not because that is unhealthy and incredibly limiting in terms of how I live my life, not to mention unfair to me and the people around me who just want to interact with Laura. Not “therapist” Laura. It is also incredibly inappropriate and inaccurate as in this situation we are viewing behaviors from a subjective rather than objective lens. When it comes to personal lives and relationships, most are unable to play the role of an outside third party with no personal stake in the matter and let personal emotions and biases cloud their understanding and judgment. Which is the antithesis of therapy. Not to mention highly unethical and, to use language from this video, “weaponizing” our training and expertise - filtered through a very biased lens - against others.”
I've really missed Ana. I'm only 30 minutes in and I'm excited for how much better she'll get from here. Love seeing her accuse fanatiq of setting her up. This woman is a content factory
I love Vtubers just as much as the next weeb, but using one during a serious discussion/debate just discredits you in my opinion. The more heated you get, the more I laugh. Ana just looks ridiculous in this panel and can't be taken seriously.
Same opinion as what boboqt said. And to give you an example to contrast it with, go look for the panels with eristocracy on it. The vtuber model doesn't automatically discredit the debater.
It's not so much her having a v tube. It's the fact that she's completely self aware enough that she's pissed & will actually change the expressions to match her emotions in a serious discussion. THATS what completely discredits her. She's self aware, but at the same time so fucking clueless.
@@Striga889 also, I have screenshots of an argument I had with Ana in Chudlogics chat where she admits she's never counseled anyone that was under direct supervision of an instructor. So every time she says she's counseled people for 5 years like she did on the panel, or any other time, she's fucking lying.
Ana is so angry regardless of the data. I watched this when it initially came out and now more than ever believe she should never be allowed to be a professional therapist. Her anger is insane and she can’t control it.
What does the study say? -That what I'm saying is right Jeez. Makes me real confident she read it and doesn't just make shit up on the fly to say I'M RIGHT!
⅔ into this I realized that Ana's problem is that she seems to hate men. Any opportunity to frame men as monsters is left at, and any time someone frames men in a positive light she immediately shifts the attention back to women.
The disparity between Ana and NotsoErudite was insane. If I were Ana, I would never get on a panel with Erudite because she outclasses her so much. At least as far as being a student of psychology goes. It's like watching an A and a D student arguing with each other.
When your whole identity is wrapped up in victimhood, like Anna’s is, it must be hard to hear that maybe you and other women aren’t as big as a victim as you need to be. It’s amazing to watch how triggered she gets when her victimhood is challenged.
A lot of privileged white women heard about feminism and have it in their heads that all of oppression is this incredibly binary women are oppressed, men aren’t. All men only have advantages and all women only have disadvantages.
honestly i was touched by a step dad and my god if ana was my representative in this situation i would shut my mouth about it afraid she's lurking in my tcp ports to do me a therapy when I least need it
i love fanatiq, i always have to root for the guy. its like the goofy side character you can’t help but love. its good to see him finally succeed in not sabotaging his own panel
Erudite, Taf, MrGirl, and that curly haired kink woman are all such fantastic people to listen to. Big D is really on a roll with the people whose careers he is choosing to help kick off this season.
Love how Ana goes from being psychotic, to thinking she can add being smug with people on panels. Love how anyone thinks she should be on any social platform. She's obviously very unwell
So when we put dumb, fragile and unhinged all into one person this is what we get. This girl is hurting her cause way more than she is helping it. I don't buy into anything she is saying and the way she is saying it is only reinforcing my belief that false accusations are more prevalent than guys just getting away with the big R.
@@trop3848 I didn't say x was more prevalent than y. I just said that she was reinforcing "my belief" that it was. Beliefs don't necessarily equal facts.
@@trop3848 sure but I am aware of the deference between believing and knowing. I like to think that at least some people can alter their beliefs when confronted with new evidence.
when Fanatiq pronounced Kai Clips name as 'Cuck Lips' or 'Cock Lips' at 19:18 it really ruined the debate for me I just couldn't stop laughing. Especially seeing Kais face wondering if he heard that right just after.
Remember the lacrosse team that were immediately kicked off the team, kicked out of school and were dragged through the court system and social media.......to ultimately be exonerated when the 'victim' finally admitted that the events never occurred. REMEMBER THAT?!?!?!?!
How is it that the conversation was so much more chill and productive as soon as Fanatiq wasn't there until the end? Even the part where Ana joined. Wild.
Yo, unironically the truest statement. Everybody's talking up fanatiq in the comments for moderating well, but it seems like the productivity came after he left.
“Yeah well that’s my job, not yours” Ana might want to be careful about claiming to be a professional, when she absolutely isn’t. She’s not licensed. And at this rate, I’d be surprised if she ever is.
Erudite's presence makes it really obvious how terrible Ana is. Her tantrums and the way everybody calmly speaks to her and consoles her like a whiny child. I don't know how she isn't embarrassed.
You could actually argue that Ana is a perfect representation of what the rest of the panel is trying to highlight. She demonstrates every single behavior that people worry about when it comes to rape accusations.
Of course, I'll add the obvious caveat that she is an outlier but on a large scale, a small percentage of Anas can cause a lot of damage. It's such a thorny subject because people who perceive the world the way that she does, seem to truly believe they have been raped or abused but then when she answers specific questions, you realize she has an insane definition of those terms.
It also ties in to some of the accepted concepts of what people believe as being contributors of rape culture. Like labeling a clearly hysterical person as acting hysterical or eratic. This is considered language that is basically rape apologia. It's probably not helpful to use that language but goddamn... sometimes it's just true.
This subject just has so much motivated reasoning taking place on both sides of the argument.
NPD 100% meet many with it. Has all of the symptoms.
Also doesn’t help she’s doing fucking anime weeb vtuber shit while everyone else is just in front of a camera. Really is the icing on the cake of her coming off like a child.
Shame is something to be learned. Some people don’t, in place it appears to be replaced with aggravation.
It’s hilarious.
Props to notsoerudite for keeping her cool with Ana. Its pretty obvious that Ana attacks her specifically bc she feels threatened and insecure by her presence.
notsoerudite probably has dealt with crazier. I feel kinda sorry for Ana. She realised how much better erudite came out in that exchange then got insecure and lashed out.
I think she wants to feel like an authority in conversations like this based on her education, but has a hard time doing it when there is someone with equal or more education and knowledge.
@@capilah6285 Everybody who comments somehow become a psychiatrist.
If someone somewhere is actually letting this women council other human beings then my faith in "mental health professionals" has drastically decreased.
My wife had a roommate that was batshit, went through her other roommates rooms, if their phones were left out she’d go through them. She was awful, she was also going to school to be a psychologist.
When she went to graduate school many people in her undergrad program assured my wife and her friends that her professors in grad school would immediately identify her as someone who couldn’t cut it is a psychologist.
Nothing happened, she’s a licensed psychologist and she’s absolutely nuts.
I honestly think medical proffesions should always get like an MMPI tes before starting thier course
She's certainly not a fringe case.
@@rainmaker6261 Oh no, I don’t think she slipped through the cracks, I just think it’s something that should be identified and pulled out but it just isn’t, and it seems like people think programs are better at it than they actually are.
Or if they even care, they’re getting the tuition, for all I know they don’t give a shit I’d they’re getting that cash.
@@62shayne that's exactly it. They just want their cash
The idea of Ana being involved with mental health victims is nightmare fuel.
i've had experience with therapist who weren't too far-off from her in terms of ego/narcissism. they give freaking anybody those jobs these days. that's why you gotta shop around a lot to find a good therapist.
@@env0x do they even help victims?
@@cosettapessa6417 who therapists? sure that's their job. but not every therapist is right for every person. some people just want a therapist who will agree with everything they say and reinforce their ego, and there are therapists who do that (bad therapists). but if it works it works, and there's certainly a market for that. good therapists will try to help you form an objective understanding and clearer image of yourself so you can change and become a better person, but not everyone appreciates those kinds of therapists.
@@env0x no narcissists therapists
@@cosettapessa6417 you can be 100% ana and people with similar issues would gaslight the fuck out of people she decides are good targets.
Ana felt threatened by Erudite because she’s everything she thinks she is but in reality. But in Ana’s mind she’s the smartest
Edit: lol Ana at 51:30 vs 55:34… in 4 minutes she completely contradicts herself
It’s actually crazy how polar opposite they are, I ain’t seen much of Erudite before but I have nothing but positive vibes from her.
@@jaeslow6347 I only ever see her on destiny's stream, but i agree. She is clearly a very intelligent person and it's enjoyable listening to someone who actually argues in good faith, which seems rare nowadays.
There's definitely some resentment there
This comment will create another Ana arc
@@meteorjuice4088 aww fuck 😔
For once: Fanatiq's overzealous moderation combined with his passive-aggressive behavior actually turned out to be an asset instead of a liability.
True lmaoo
lol I had the same thought. I usually can't stand Fanatiq's moderation style, but he was the crotchety old substitute teacher we needed for this panel.
I was thinking the same thing. His condescending attitude towards Ana was actually beneficial
hilarious
THis is not the first time he's moderated. He's fairly good at it.
Giving ana this attention is irresponsible. She is a deeply broken and insincere person.
Especially this topic like wtf
She’s a streamer and she wanted to be on the panel. If they denied her a place on the panel she’d start accusing everyone of conspiring against her and blame destiny.
They are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
@@4scot623 True. Gosh she's so terrible...
Absolutely. There are two people here that should never talk to each other, ever, and they both know this. I don't even know what to say here, except you reap what you sow. Expect years of stalking, Destiny
so fucking true, and that star chick really needs to stop going UHHHH UHHHHHHHHHHHU HHHHHHHHHHHHHU HHHHUHUUHUHUHHHHHHHHHH and speak like a fucking human, not like a fucking computer with processing lag
People underestimate how chill Destiny is. I’d get stressed from playing Elden Ring or talking to dumbfucks, and he’s doing both and being super chill.
My boy Steven has truly reached Zen.
@@surplusrevenge2013 Watch the rest of last nights stream.. slowly over time, our boy lost the battle of attrition
By the end of the night that sanity was completely gone though
@@treyxntreyxn Obviously, sure Ana was relapsing back into the loop, but our boi fell into the worst loop possible for gamers health and sanity "just one more try and then I'll go to bed and get some sleep". He kept telling himself that after all his friends went to bed and after he was streaming for over half a day!
@@JustScrapHD he was a fucking trooper tho. He fought her for 15 hours straight, and got phase 2 down past 50% a few times
@@powercore2000 True. I wouldnt have the drive for that shit.
Saw this live. It's insane that Destiny essentially has had to capitulate to his abuser/stalker just because she's a cute white woman who manipulates people by speaking in a cute baby voice after lying to and screeching at people for half an hour.
Roles reversed...yeah, you know the script.
"Cute"
He doesn’t HAVE to. He chose to. She’s a nightmare, and unfortunately, she will always be a nightmare. And, if a cute baby voice manipulates you, you must be one sorry excuse for a human, because I just find that crap cringey. Not you….whoever falls for it. It’s pathetic.
@@pommiebears
It's easy to say he doesn't "have to" but when you have someone that literally won't stop spreading lies about you being a manipulative narcissistic abuser and any time you challenge them and ask them to stop they say "no, I won't stop until you accept my deluded version of reality" he really has no choice but to say "fuck it, arguing with her is gets me nowhere. I just have to live with this person spreading lies about me"
Totally agree. He's her emotional captive. It's like when a high school girls bf breaks up with her and she spreads lies and bad sentiment to every person who may come in contact with him until he's forced to speak to her and then she emotionally manipulates him back into a relationship. Rinse and repeat until they go off to college...only the internet is forever...
@@SuperGreat23 right. she intentionally associates herself with people Destiny talks to and continues to character assassinate him, and people expect Dest to just...not care? am I missing something? why are we even having this conversation when we know this would be extremely fucked up if Dest was a woman?
The hilarious thing is she will once again blame Destiny for everyone thinking she is batshit crazy when it's her own opinions and attitude that makes her look that way.
and she literally called him an abusive piece of shit iirc in this panel, after supposedly the loop being broken a few months back.
bitch is like, childishly evil.
Trueeeeee just what I was thinking, she was unhinged from the beginning,you can tell from her tone
Seems risky business, she'll start looping again
for real! and this is her own words/full sentences, 2+ hours unedited vod. Doesnt get more real than this, full context
Pray that if you ever decide to get a therapist, it's a person like Erudite and not Ana.
I was thinking this exact thing, I think she would cause waaaay more harm than help.
Bro, unfortunately they are all like Ana. Even eurodite has Ana qualities although not as overt.
just imagine steping in and its Ana.
I would hang myself the second i got home..
How can a woman use Twitter and come out normal on the other side? If you are sure you prefer a female therapist, try to look for someone too old to use the internet.
@@starlord157 how so
That last 15 minutes really spells out how someone who actually understands psychology in a practical sense works versus someone who claims to understand it. Watching Erudite deescalate things with Ana, get her to admit how disconnected her emotional outburst was with reality, and resolve the issue in mere minutes was a thing of beauty.
I believe Erudite actually specializes in deescalation techniques or whatever.
Time and time again Ana proves she is not up to have any of these conversations.
She is not psychologically able or mature enough. She’s so emotionally out of control.
By the way, Ana is still not actually reading any of these studies, she said her proof was lit reviews, not the actual research.
just a heads up, in the context that you used it, "too" is not correct. it would be "to"
I mean… too is also technically correct.
@@starlord157 it doesn't hit the ear correctly. if they were to say "she is not psychologically able or mature enough, either" that would be the ideal word
@@pattiesonamfgrill doesn't change that it isn't incorrect, he just speaks with a different style than you
@@pattiesonamfgrill "too" and "either" are both superfluous due to the "or" earlier in the sentence. I think you could replace the comma with a period and call it a day
I love how quickly her “WHY DID YOU INVITE ME TO THIS?” Backfired.
“Do you want me to remove you?”
“…. No I’ll be fine.”
She must live in a real precise bubble/echochamber.
She is mad that she was the only one with her opinions, but since her opinions are so radical it makes sense that she would be in the minority with the extreme takes. Hopefully this was kindoff a wakeup call.
And you know Fanatiq wanted to just tell her to suck it up.
@@SwedwithStyle There is no wake up call loud enough for Ana to hear it.
Honestly I respected fanatiq for that. Hit her with responsibility and watch her backtrack. Perfect.
I like how everyone's handling ana like a small spoiled child lol
Because she is lmao.
Isn’t that how all attractive white women in their 20s are used to being treated?
@@metroidfoosion73
Up until they're 25. After that we all finally start calling them Karen's
The "women need support" to Karen pipeline
She's treated like an autistic sibling. Platforming her at this point is wrong.
which again shows that society isn't as bad as she claims, not even close since she is able to say things like that and people still have the patience to take her seriously.
"And I counseled rape victims for 5 years and let me tell you it was horrible for all of them, every single one of them"
So true
Lol it took me a sec
@@chrisconavay9282 I don't think I get it.
I see what ya did there lol
@@thek2despot426 saying that the counseling was what was horrible.
@@JohnDoe-si4eg Oh you were raped? Well one time I hooked up with a guy and then he gave me a laptop battery, and stonewalled me. So maybe your problems aren't so big after all.
Holy shit, I started by just listening to this and I couldn’t tell Ana and Stardust’s voices apart. I thought it was Ana vehemently disagreeing with herself like she was Gollum and I was so confused
Oh man, I wish I could have experienced that the way you did.
Same thing happened to me
Ana and Jade were in a call with Steven a day later and I had the exact same problem:
"When did Ana start visiting the gym and acting like a normal person?" "Why is Jade going crazy and claiming Steven abused her?"
"OHHHHHHH. Never mind, I'm just sexist."
lol
Omg I can't stop laughing at this comment
Ana: It doesn’t happen!
Destiny: It has literally happened in court cases before, so idk why you’re saying it doesn’t happen
Ana: BC IT DOESN’T
Flawless argument
Poetry
STOP GASWALLING ME!
uhh... and/or "stonelighting"
Court cases aren't peer reviewed academic papers so checkmate reality
If you’re accused of rape, you’re allowed a defence, Ana! This means you are allowed to enter RELEVANT information about the accuser into the court case. The prosecution can always object on relevance, and the defence can give the grounds for relevance, then the judge will either allow, or disallow it.
Unfortunately, there's already been a very long (over a year) arc of this concept failing to register in her mind when she was accusing Destiny of r*pe.
@@Striga889 when did she accuse destiny of rape? the condom thing?
Nah. Just Believe Women.
Nothing will go horribly wrong.
A rape victim is anyone who identifies as a rape victim
The accuser is the prosecution side, but yes.
Ana, word of advice for the future. Give your argument instead of insulting everyone. You said nothing except what (and I mean this literally) a 7 year old child would say when they are mad at the grown up for correcting them. Throwing a tantrum.
Yeah, if she could actually have enough maturity to articulate her points she could potentially do a tiny bit better but she just shoots herself in the foot with her own attitude every time.
Bro she's too good for advice.
Kai: repeats verbatim ana’s words
Ana: “No that’s not what I’m saying”
“Don’t you DARE try to GASLIGHT me again!!” 😂
"Erudite you're like really disappointing me honestly"
"Ana you're disappointing me a lot more" made me stop and spit out my drink. This dude is really treating her like a mouthy child.
Sometimes, when an adult acts like a child, you have to speak to them as a child. It’s condescending, sure, but it’s effective to (within reason) match the energy.
I think going forward, erudite should be in every panel ana is in. Every single time Ana tries using her "knowledge" someone who isn't clinically insane that has the same or higher education is so valuable so she can't dismiss people offhand.
Also, "show me the data, show me the data, show me the data!" While not actually citing anything is pretty impressively unhinged.
Ana: I wanna debate
Also Ana: How dare people disagree with me
Erudite: Understands how to contextualize and utilize her research/education
Ana: Lol bro read this article
Ana: bro read this article THAT I HAVENT READ
EVERYONE STOP DEBATING AND READ THIS ARTICLE!
IT SAYS THAT I'M RIGHT!
@@Saint_Sigismundbtw, WHERE’S YOUR SOURCES?!?!
@@TequilaMockingBird91 MY SOURCE IS THAT I MADE IT THE FUCK UP!
I am confident, and would bet money that Ana was removed from becoming a therapist. The fact that notsoErudite shows such knowledge and calmness while Ana is screaming and has no capability whatsoever to discuss things assures me that schools know what the fuck they are doing and any fear of Ana seeing patients will not happen.
Your contention is that there aren't any bad or substandard therapists?
I can tell you that at least in Poland, there are no people that can be "forbiden" of being therapist, almost at all. I know people that finished their psychology degrees that would allow them to become therapists, even though they had autism or other mental disorders that I would argue were too severe to be allowed. Because of my experience I wouldn't be surprised if a person with schizofrenia could actually see real patients of its own. I'm talking specificaly about Poland since there is no actual law regarding psychology and giving therapy here, unfortunately ._.
@@pionuwa Yeah, but Poland is irrelevant in this conversation about North America by Americans. It wouldn't be allowed in places like Australia, UK, USA etc.
This is going off of the assumption that she actually did go to school to be one. For all we know she went to community college for one semester and took one psych class. And that assumption seems to be the more likely.
@@JM-tj5qm I believe she only had one (supervised) client, briefly. Like maybe for a couple months. And that's if we take her at her word on this (which would be an insane course of action given her prior behaviour).
Fanatiq knew what he was doing bringing Ana in to this conversation, well played.
It was for the… conversation
@@egusisoup1826 the *calm* and *productive* discourse
even after having a 1v1 conversation with ana? I don't think this is a fair picture of fanatiq.
i thought for entertainment purposes and jokes
Destiny actually vouched for anna to be in the convo. Fanatic wasn't going to have her because he worried she wouldn't be civil. Destiny mentioned this in his follow up conversation with ana yesterday
Ana's "well of course drug addicts make the false allegations" revealed the classism seething from her lips
I'm legit curious: Is she saying that addicts are likely to be liars or that liars are likely to become addicts? Wtf is she claiming, exactly? That addicts might be overrepresented makes some sense. It doesn't say anything about the general prevalence of false accusations though.
Callback to the MrGirl panel where she said "People who go to public schools are degenerates".
@@infantiltinferno the former
@@infantiltinferno I - being the most faithful and good person among us - believe that she's saying "if a lady services you in exchange for drugs they have a far higher chance of accusing you of rape when you charge them money for the drugs anyway."
She isn’t completely wrong about that take, her only rare W
I'm not sure Ana is the ambassador you want to push back against false allegations of sexual assault.
But she's the BEST ambassador for the other side. If someone get accused of sexual assault, just show Ana as evidence of how mentally ill women that accuses ppl of sexual assault are.
Omg Ana was so insecure that she literally came back to the group to receive a free therapy session from Erudite. Why does everyone need to constantly baby her just because she's unable to accept different opinions in a DEBATE and perceive EVERY disagreement as a personal attack. How narcissistic could she be to think that she's the victim in every conversation. They really shouldn't platform her in any debate panel as it really derails from any healthy discussions.
If it was anyone but Ana they would've been kicked half the discussion ago.
@@meteorjuice4088 🤣🤣🤣
She is the epitome of the cliche, "fragile snowflake".
White women aged 15-30 can literally do anything in their world. They are the most privileged group of humans ever conceived. Also think the reason so many social rights activists seem to be HR white women is because after 30 their social standing goes down so hard that they have the most drastic impact of their privilege.
When you make Fanatiq look level-headed, you’re frigging crazy.
I think Erudite handled Ana's behaviour better than most on this panel. I also think I'm in love with Erudite's brain.
Yea she shut her down with grace. I can't stand this over emotional baby Ana, she says that everyone else's opinions are bullshit when she is the one basing her opinions from an over emotional and irrational framework.
Erudite’s debate cadence is like a female version of Destiny. Just WAY calmer lol
@@H22prelude32 She's basing her opinions off a list of references framed in a methodology that only serves to validate her predispositions on the subject. Even if they are good sources it's not ideal to base conclusions on the six articles you found on jstor. Otherwise this shit happens lol. I actually understand why she's devastated. I'm too lazy to write a new draft for a paper.
And her face.
@@dmc7906 That's obvi but there's a simp cuttoff once I hit mid 20's lol
its really fun seeing ana and erudite talk about studies. Ana reads studies, but doesn't understand them. Ana will believe any study she reads because she doesnt have the background to challenge it. Erudite on the other hand is a practicing professional. When she reads a study, she understands it so she doesn't have to take the study at face value. She has the tools to read a study, and challenge things like methodology. That difference is just really cool to see, because they are coming from the same information but ending up at completely different conclusions.
That's because Erudite can understand those running a study like she said can skew the questions to get the answers they want. Take the famous study from 2007 which gave us the 1 in 5 statistic for rape on college campuses. That study was a survey study done on 2 campuses but there wasn't a question that asked if they had been a victim of sexual assault, instead they asked them if they had encounters they later regretted. If the student said yes then they counted it as a rape. Many people have debunked the study breaking it down showing the study is false yet tons of people parroted the 1 in 5 statistic including the President at the time Barrack Obama. This study brings up the point some of the panelists made where things are being counted as rape which shouldn't be. If you have an encounter with someone then regret it weeks later but consented at the time you shouldn't be able to go around claiming you are raped which then is ruining the reputation of the person you slept with. Rape is arguably the worst act anyone could do to another person and it should be taken seriously and not an accusation to throw around lightly.
Ana constantly tried to toss out random opinion articles on websites like psychology today as evidence, so any time she says she’s going to use a ‘study’ as a defense to back up her claims I just cringe.
Lol Ana's innocent looking v toon is the antithesis of what she actually is as a human, fucking hilarious
These kind of people terrify me sometimes, apparently she was completely normal girl at first and now years later she is still in the background.
it’s so fucking funny seeing the cute little character and then hearing the vile anger that spews from ana’s mouth
"Plenty of researchers have said..."
"There are plenty of studies that have proposed solutions that prove I'm right...."
God I hope this chick never ends up on a jury...
i dont think shed ever me accepted
Ah so much good content coming out. These last few months has been great, keep it up August, and Destiny. I wish you both the best :)
Aged poorly.
I am beating a dead horse here but I'm new and never have experienced Ana before. It blows my mind that after everyone else gave their opening statements which all pretty much agreed with 99% of what she ended up saying, her own opening was so aggressive. If you can't handle even the slightest amount of disagreement why are you going on panels like this?
This is your first taste of Anavoir? She’s incredibly chill in this panel compared to usual, you have no idea the levels of crazy she can reach.
@@luxborealis Does Destiny have any other videos with her going off the rails? I'm also new here
@@Altair796 Yeah, there's plenty. Look for The stalking and abuse allegations vids.
@@Altair796 Actually nvm. I forgot destiny deleted those videos in attempt to bury the hatchet
For our viewing pleasure.
The irony of Fanatiq trying to have " adult conversations" and inadvertently having potentially the BEST dramatic s# t show, throw down debate is killing me!
He even creates some of the drama! Why won't he embrace the MEME'S!!??
Actually. Maybe he is.... Maybe this is galaxy brain stuff?
I usually don’t like Fanatiq very much but I have to say, he might be the best moderator I’ve seen yet on these type of panels. He actually lays down the law and keeps things moving when people get unhinged.
The meme is sternly stating the goal of the show to piss them off more lol
I'm not ashamed to admit that ana girl is HOT AS FUCK. She's crazy but i might willing to derail my life for her
I mean if you really wanna have adult conversations start by not inviting people like ana
@@gountaa
Exactly, its why its so hilarious, he either doesn't know what he's doing or his over confidence, followed by complete mishandling make's everything perfect comedy.
He is the perfect straight man ( in the comedy sense)
"No you're not!" "Yes it is!" "No it doesn't!"
Very compelling arguments
ana is legit a child, she must be so incredibly coddled and sheltered by her rich parents to turn out this way at almost 30 years old
She needs her some patriarchy
Most likely the opposite. She seems traumatized out of her mind. Every little pushback sends her spiraling, pure panic.
In Ana's defense, she managed to go longer than I thought before starting the new drama arc. Good for her
Who thought Ana would be capable of having a rational conversation on this topic?
Lets be real. Its not clear she could handle a rational conversation on what she had for lunch yesterday.
She can’t have a rational conversation, period. You have to BE rational first. Lol.
Stop gaslighting you're an abuser REEEEEEEEEEEE
Nobody. Fnatic is a liar. He's not trying to host responsible conversations. He's not trying to avoid content farming. He's clearly trying to do this shit just by the people and topics he chooses to have. If he was, he would have all these people MINUS Ana. There is great nuance between them. If they really dug into the conversation, they would have disagreements. Fnatic needs to pick a topic and have some good, deeprooted questions. Not surface level, easy to answer questions.
Ana is an exercise in the futility of changing things that are out of one’s control. The sooner you accept that the scorpion stings the frog, the sooner you will find the meaning of happiness.
This girl is too emotional to counsel anyone about trauma. She can't even have a conversation on a topic she studies and works in where everyone is using kid gloves with her.
Completely agree. Not counsel anyone with trauma, nor someone who has violence, anger, or tendencies on this topic. She has spent no time understanding all sides.
Psych degrees are filled with people like this which is why it’s one of the softest sciences in existence and regularly hard to take seriously. The degradation of the profession in real time is evident.
Trouble brewing in Destiny's harem
Immediately comes in screaming like a maniac then can’t understand why people say she’s crazy. Or maybe come at her with the same energy she brings to everything
I think it's more embarrassing for her that everybody is speaking to her like a child, all calm and trying to console her and her feelings. She isn't capable of having these discussions and seeing her throw tantrums while everybody else is level headed exposes how insane she is.
In this vid, Destiny was around 300 deaths against Malenia. Today he was at 880 deaths and counting.
Is he like really bad at the game or something? How do you die that many times without figuring out a better way to do it?
@@Mrraerae he's on a ten vigor challenge I believe.
@@Mrraerae he gets one shot by her a lot. And to be fair if you were talking and having a debate while playing against a challenging boss you’d suck too. Not a dis on you I’d suck too any time I’m playing apex if my dog just touches my leg it takes me out of the zone.
@@Mrraerae also there are not many bosses in those games that are harder to beat without getting hit than that one, unless he's busted out bloodhound step yet
@@Mrraerae He's doing a ten vigor, no summons challenge so this boss is INSANELY hard. Like, wildly unfair.
Omg it is so obvious that Ana is targeting Erudite because she seems to be a calmer more focused actually academic version of Ana.
And she is good with destiny now. Jelaousy is driving her
Euridite is a better version of Ana like a Ferrari is a better version of a bicycle.
Idk who is Ana’s worst enemy, Taft or Erudite. I’m leaning toward Edudite because of their shared profession, but Taft because she’s ruthless and witty and very, very willing to stake out a position and defend it.
I think Ana is Ana’s worst enemy
@@wellbutrinwarlock /true/
Taft is also prettier than her so
@@wellbutrinwarlock true
I think rational thought and reasoning is Ana’s worst enemy.
1:00:50
"Ana, what were we supposed to get from this study?"
"You're supposed to see that what I am saying is right."
Rape Culture is a toxic term that we probably shouldn't use. I'm glad it's left the main stream discourse for a while but Destiny seems keen in bringing it back. It doesn't intuitively describe what it claims to and it causes greater harm to men. It reminds me of the "Trust all women" slogan that was popular around the same time.
I've argued against people who've claimed that most men are responsible for rape culture, it's an extremely irresponsible phrase and it's not helpful in discussing these topics
If it was a rape culture, why is rape a crime?
yes you hit the nail on the head. Even though rape culture was a term created to represent the fact that some victims have a hard time comming forward and that some people are ok with bad things associated with harassement, the word was clearly chosen to insinuate much more. The word culture makes our minds think that there's actually people that practice rape as a normal thing and that is a widespread accepted thing. Which clearly isn't. THere are some people that see it as ok or tend to think "it's not a big deal"? yes. But as a culture we don't see it that way. As a culture we all despise it and people are extremely against it. Individual people are not a culture. That's why the term is so toxic. The words chosen don't accuretly represent the definition and where chosen to imply something that is not true.
Ana depends so much on studies in an incredibly irrational way. She has emotional intuitions and then uses a study to justify them, without any understanding of how to contextualize the studies she cites. That’s why she’s constantly saying “This study proves me right.” I’m an hour in and Ana hasn’t summarized a single study. Meanwhile Erudite is able to convey the conclusions and limitations and context and methodology of the studies she cites.
NO SHE DOESN'T
/s
The best way to debate Ana is to start the debate by copying and pasting 30 long and random peer-reviewed sex research studies in discord and then proceeding to say that all of your opinions are based on studies.
Lmao, you don't even have to read them first!
“People don’t believe women” “Well of course they’re addicts” oh my god… the irony…
It’s been 2 years ago and I still can’t believe she had the audacity to say that….
Watched this live and it is as crazy as it seems. No edits can sanitize the crazy of Ana. 🚩
I was thinking recently, I think the way she acts is a net positive for the culture of Twitch debates/panels. There’s a huge benefit of having a misinformed devils advocate in these environments. Despite how crazy she is I honestly think she’s invaluable for these conversations as a great example of someone who gets triggered by facts. Aka Hasan with tits.
You have to believe everything I'm saying because I'm getting loud!!!
A lot of people are shitting on fanatiq but honestly he did a really great job at incorporating Ana. For real I don't like him that much but he was really good at handling Ana's psyche and the overall courtesy.
He was unhinged before but so was Dylan in his first debates so I'm willing to cut the guy some slack. The way he stopped a lot of Ana's rage antics wouldn't have been replicable by anyone not even destiny on this panel.
I don't understand why Ana was so defensive from the very beginning of this whole discussion. She was instantly hostile for no reason. She really doesn't have the mental fortitude to exist in this space. I wish she saw it for herself :/
If you know the backstory, Ana was once in a sexual relationship with Destiny, who is also on this panel. Destiny however ended things with Ana once he started seeing red flags suggesting that Ana was becoming obsessive. Ana did not take the rejection very well and went on a live stream panel with Zharka where she literally cried for 3 hours, accused Destiny of being heartless and cruel and then threaten to unalive herself.
Literally, the only reason why she’s here is in bad faith. She just wants to “get even” with Destiny by infringing on his debate space.
Ana is a literal child, the way she talks like a toddler getting scolded as a 25+ year old woman! Is giga cringe
"You can't just claim that anyone can make false memories."
Lets see... We know psychologists can.
We know they teach and warn you about it on school.
People routinely do it to themselves as a coping mechanism...
Sounds like... Anyone can do it if they know how to do it.
Nah bro, you just don't understand, creating false memories is a mystical art that needs to be honed and trained for years. This power is restricted to those in advanced psychology courses and high ranking members of the dark triad
@@jjshosky Oh shit, oh Fuck... You're right. It's pretty much mind rape.
you dont need to know how to do it, you can also accidently do it
I make false memories whenever I try to find something I lost.
I grew up thinking I had a beagle when I was little. Until I brought it up when I was 25 and my mom told me that never happened. Yes it's very minor but I legitimately thought it was true my whole life until then. Really changed my perspective on how memories are formed.
“Of course addicts will make false allegations. They have a personality disorder.”
This person has no idea what they’re talking about.
The coddling of Ana is maddening.
To be fair I don't think she is used to being on debate panels and that one was 1v5 against her so I think it's fair to cut her some slack.
NotSoErudite: We must be careful when using this data because of reasons A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, and I.
Ana: I'VE GOT A STUDY!11!1!! We're both doing our masters, we're the same!!one! 🤤
Lol the “!!!one!” Took a second😂😂
🥵🥵 why are you dogpiling me and talking about why my points can be wrong 🥵🥵
Can't believe that a groyper in a panel about rape culture somehow isn't the unhinged one
Is that guy impersonating Nick Fuentes ?
@@cady__he’s a Fuentes acolyte and streams on the same platform as Nick
I like how the more she talks, the more rigid, self righteous, and immature the basis for all of her beliefs are. Her talking does way more explaining than Destiny could ever do.
How does Ana manage to sound like she's on the verge of crying at all times?
If only all debates were solved using Ana's logic
"It is cuz it IS!"
"It's not cuz it's NOT!"
there is data cos there IS
@@iknowkungfu6938 boom you win
In almost every debate panel anytime someone says "the data is on their side" it's 99% likely they don't have a clue about what they're talking about and cherry picked highly flawed research to support their arguments. Most people just read an abstract, then skip to the conclusion and say "Look, evidence I'm right!".
EDIT: Should note this applies regardless of education levels. There's full on doctors and medical professionals toting utter BS and quoting terrible research. Or they ignore the limitations of the research yet still claim a position of being right without acknowledging limitations of research.
A simple rhetorical fix is to omit the word "the"
"Data supports me" is almost always technically correct, SOME of the data will support you.
I mean there’s nothing wrong with just reading the abstract. I think cherry picking data in a study is dumb
@@incognitojon902 If you can't understand the information in a study, whether it is valid, it's flaws, or the data itself at a basic level..... you probably shouldn't be using the study to prop up an argument. As you clearly lack any of the knowledge required to argue the topic with any authority.
You're getting 2nd hand opinions of people and just taking them at their word without validating anything.
Ana clearly isn't ready to have a normal conversation about this topic. She came in with a "me vs the world, and I'm always right" mindset, and it shows instantly.
Her involvement in this panel seems like it is just an attempt to validate all her abuse accusations from the Ana Arc. That's how it sounded to me anyway. She really dug in every time someone mentioned false or exaggerated accusations.
It's funny because she pushes so hard to suggest that false claims can't really be proven, therefore false claims don't happen. But then she wants the opposite standard applied when a claim can't be proven true. It's bizarre...
Can we all take a moment to give props to the guy who's been keeping count of Destiny's deaths for Elden Ring? Pure dedication.
If I hear the word "conversation" again, I just might lose it.
It's all about conversation until you want to chime in with something.
I love conversations about conversating in conversations (:
I think a really relevant comment from a previous debate w Ana and a fair amount of the panelists is from a therapist whom viewed it;
(My fault for copying your comment sir all credits to you)
“Unsure why this wound up in my YT recommendations or what possessed me to listen to it, but here we are...
As a therapist I am very concerned about the state of Ana’s mental health and hope she accesses proper help to process the dissolution of this relationship, as well as evaluate the impact of social media and having an online presence has on her mental health. I also hope she is able to find a way to walk the line between her student/professional life and her private life in a more healthy and non-maladaptive manner. Once you are trained in this field it is very easy - and extremely tempting - to want to view, analyze and label every person and situation through the mental health lens. Just skimming my DSM I could diagnose every single person I know with at least two mental health disorders - and give myself ten. But I do not because that is unhealthy and incredibly limiting in terms of how I live my life, not to mention unfair to me and the people around me who just want to interact with Laura. Not “therapist” Laura. It is also incredibly inappropriate and inaccurate as in this situation we are viewing behaviors from a subjective rather than objective lens. When it comes to personal lives and relationships, most are unable to play the role of an outside third party with no personal stake in the matter and let personal emotions and biases cloud their understanding and judgment. Which is the antithesis of therapy. Not to mention highly unethical and, to use language from this video, “weaponizing” our training and expertise - filtered through a very biased lens - against others.”
I've really missed Ana. I'm only 30 minutes in and I'm excited for how much better she'll get from here. Love seeing her accuse fanatiq of setting her up. This woman is a content factory
9:01 We're two sentences in and I already feel like Ana is **literally shaking**
I love Vtubers just as much as the next weeb, but using one during a serious discussion/debate just discredits you in my opinion. The more heated you get, the more I laugh. Ana just looks ridiculous in this panel and can't be taken seriously.
Ana using a vtuber avatar is WAY down the list of reasons why she can't be taken seriously.
Same opinion as what boboqt said. And to give you an example to contrast it with, go look for the panels with eristocracy on it. The vtuber model doesn't automatically discredit the debater.
It's not so much her having a v tube. It's the fact that she's completely self aware enough that she's pissed & will actually change the expressions to match her emotions in a serious discussion. THATS what completely discredits her. She's self aware, but at the same time so fucking clueless.
@@Striga889 also, I have screenshots of an argument I had with Ana in Chudlogics chat where she admits she's never counseled anyone that was under direct supervision of an instructor. So every time she says she's counseled people for 5 years like she did on the panel, or any other time, she's fucking lying.
@@unkownuser41190 are the expressions not determined by webcam which is then extrapolated to the vtuber model?
Ana is so angry regardless of the data. I watched this when it initially came out and now more than ever believe she should never be allowed to be a professional therapist. Her anger is insane and she can’t control it.
Let's not pretend like Ana was getting in the way of some valuable discussion lol she gave life to this dusty ass panel.
yeah because everyone else disagreed with her major claims, without some disagreement it wouldnt be a debate now would it.
One of the biggest voidpills.
I mean it made it more fun to watch for sure.
That said, this became purely entertainment and lost its educational value.
Absolutely. These panels are always boring and pointless so she def made it watchable
What does the study say?
-That what I'm saying is right
Jeez. Makes me real confident she read it and doesn't just make shit up on the fly to say I'M RIGHT!
Honestly Ana is just annoying. Watching these "debates" is tantamount to stealing candy from a baby lol
Yea felt fun at first but now it's getting very annoying
⅔ into this I realized that Ana's problem is that she seems to hate men. Any opportunity to frame men as monsters is left at, and any time someone frames men in a positive light she immediately shifts the attention back to women.
Bet she's straight too, and hates the fact she ain't gay too. So she is this extra Fiery.
The disparity between Ana and NotsoErudite was insane. If I were Ana, I would never get on a panel with Erudite because she outclasses her so much. At least as far as being a student of psychology goes. It's like watching an A and a D student arguing with each other.
When your whole identity is wrapped up in victimhood, like Anna’s is, it must be hard to hear that maybe you and other women aren’t as big as a victim as you need to be. It’s amazing to watch how triggered she gets when her victimhood is challenged.
Right out of the gate dismissing shit was worse historically was really wild. Anything goes to protect one's own victimhood I guess.
A lot of privileged white women heard about feminism and have it in their heads that all of oppression is this incredibly binary women are oppressed, men aren’t. All men only have advantages and all women only have disadvantages.
I call it false persecution since ur either one or ur not
honestly i was touched by a step dad and my god if ana was my representative in this situation i would shut my mouth about it afraid she's lurking in my tcp ports to do me a therapy when I least need it
"I feel like we're nearing the end of the conversation."
*checks time*
Lol
I know we all dunk on Fanatiq for how he runs his panels, but the way he handled Ana was actually pretty good.
i love fanatiq, i always have to root for the guy. its like the goofy side character you can’t help but love. its good to see him finally succeed in not sabotaging his own panel
"Where are your studies?" 👁👄👁
The inability of Ana to see any nuance or complexity in the points of other people is amazing.
It seems like she just hears the worst possible twist of whatever someone says
its nice to see ana acting unhinged about a new topic, i call that growth
Erudite, Taf, MrGirl, and that curly haired kink woman are all such fantastic people to listen to. Big D is really on a roll with the people whose careers he is choosing to help kick off this season.
yea he's really good at finding small streamers who know how to use their brain
Love how Ana goes from being psychotic, to thinking she can add being smug with people on panels. Love how anyone thinks she should be on any social platform. She's obviously very unwell
She's also a therapist LMFAO
Ana and Erudite in the same stream is almost exactly the virgin vs chad meme. Ana thinks she knows, Erudite just knows.
So when we put dumb, fragile and unhinged all into one person this is what we get. This girl is hurting her cause way more than she is helping it. I don't buy into anything she is saying and the way she is saying it is only reinforcing my belief that false accusations are more prevalent than guys just getting away with the big R.
dont forget sheltered and privileged, Mrs.Doesnt everyone get brand new cars at 16, and gets lost in her parents mansion as a kid.
Gotta be careful. Saying x is more prevalent than y is a big leap to make, especially with something like this. But I get what you're saying.
@@trop3848 I didn't say x was more prevalent than y. I just said that she was reinforcing "my belief" that it was. Beliefs don't necessarily equal facts.
@@theangryronin2152 yeah but surely if you believe something that must mean you put some stock in it as something that's true.
@@trop3848 sure but I am aware of the deference between believing and knowing. I like to think that at least some people can alter their beliefs when confronted with new evidence.
If she in fact has "patients" and or counsels ANYONE, I hope for their sake they see this and understand how unhinged this woman is.
Look Ana needs to shut up but the rest of you are partially accountable for her behavior for not punishing this when it happens
when Fanatiq pronounced Kai Clips name as 'Cuck Lips' or 'Cock Lips' at 19:18 it really ruined the debate for me I just couldn't stop laughing. Especially seeing Kais face wondering if he heard that right just after.
Lmao that shit was funny
Holy shit you have coom brain. He said “Kai Clips”
So, Taftaj can say that people need to be responsible while engaging in casual sex, but when Destiny says it he's an abusive POS?
Yes.
Remember the lacrosse team that were immediately kicked off the team, kicked out of school and were dragged through the court system and social media.......to ultimately be exonerated when the 'victim' finally admitted that the events never occurred.
REMEMBER THAT?!?!?!?!
How is it that the conversation was so much more chill and productive as soon as Fanatiq wasn't there until the end? Even the part where Ana joined. Wild.
Yo, unironically the truest statement. Everybody's talking up fanatiq in the comments for moderating well, but it seems like the productivity came after he left.
I like how the last couple of vods is random debate stuff with Destiny fighting Malenia
“Yeah well that’s my job, not yours” Ana might want to be careful about claiming to be a professional, when she absolutely isn’t. She’s not licensed. And at this rate, I’d be surprised if she ever is.
What you don't want the Amway representative equivalent of a therapist?
it’s hard to believe that ana and erudite have the same job like holy fuck imagine being counseled by ana vs erudite if you’re an actual victim