I’m beginning to have issues with professing Christians confusing what Scripture says and stands for/against vs conviction. What is a conviction for one is anti Biblical for others. Scripture trumps someone’s convictions.
Lecrae interview? He contradicts Christianity, so I'm not surprised by this interview. I'm not sorry. Women who are preachers believe that God has gotten it wrong. The Lord is righteous in all his ways and faithful in all he does . Or that God evolved with time. God says, "I am the Lord, I change not." Or Paul said it, not God. Stop it, God inspired the Word. That's God's Word! Paul was merely the vessel he used. The Bible is the WORD OF GOD... NOT Paul's, not Moses', not Peter's, not John's, etc. Women are NOT an afterthought to God. We have important roles within the body, just not as a pastor. Learn to be effective outside of that role (pastor). Teach other women, teach children, pray, share the gospel with individuals... stop being envious of a gift you're not allowed to possess. Supporting roles are just as important as the forefront roles. Women in these pastoral positions want to be seen and have power. They just want to prove they can be better men than men. Women pastors are just undercover feminists dressed up in a cloak of religious rebellion. Simply solution. Follow the Word, not the pride of life. Thank you, Corey, for clarity on this issue and the scriptures that biblically support this stance.
But you still have to explain Deborah. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
@@8784-l3b I would say this have you looked at the scriptures such as 1 Corinthians 14:33-40 Paul states in vs 33 For God is not the God of confusion but of peace. AS IN ALL THE CHURCHES of the Saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission as the Law also says. 35 if there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it shameful for a woman to speak in church. 36 or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the ONLY ones it has reached? 37 if anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, HE should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the LORD.vs 38 if any does not recognize this he is not recognized. If this is what the Lord wrote why do we question? And as studious Christian we should do our due diligence about why Deborah was put there even if God called her to be a judge not a pastor. Two different things
@@Grow2inspire Part 11 PAUL STATES THAT WOMEN SHOULD BE SILENT As in all the churches of the saints, the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. -excerpt 1 Corinthians 14 In this matter Paul speaks of the 'law'. There is a small possibility that he is referring to a Roman or local law. If not, then Paul is stating that Christian women were still under the Old Covenant laws. Yet there was no Old Covenant law that states that women should be silent. Then the daughters of Zelophehad...came forward. They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying, “Our father died in the wilderness, yet he was not among the group of those who gathered together against the Lord, in the group of Korah; but he died in his own sin, and he had no sons. Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son? Give us property among our father’s brothers.” So Moses brought their case before the Lord. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The daughters of Zelophehad are right about their statements. You shall certainly give them hereditary property among their father’s brothers... -excerpts Numbers 27 These women were not rebuked, even though they spoke before everyone, including Moses. What they asked for was granted to them, because God agreed with them.
@@Grow2inspire you wrote: ...why Deborah was put there even if God called her to be a judge not a pastor. Two different things The Judge was the primary pastor/shepherd of God's people at that time period. Full essay read time: 12 minutes (In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has obvious meaning to the average person.) Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way. “My people have become lost sheep; Their shepherds have led them astray. -excerpt Jeremiah 50 For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may check out Ezekiel 34. When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2
The role of a pastor is more than giving the word it’s a protector of a flock like a father in a home when Satan came into the garden and lied to Eve it was Adams job to remind her of the importance of Gods word like a pastor but he fail by trying to please her emotionally then God showed up and he called to the Man “ Where are you.” Men of the THE FAITH WHERE ARE YOU This is an example: of a home invasion- this is what a wife would want her husband to do if their home has an intruder for him to get and guide his family to safety it’s about accepting protection and listening to the teachings the word of God for Sons and Daughters for all can have the knowledge of God…… For man was created first to teach what comes from the Creator as a head of a household or house of God. God gave him a help mate y’all both know how to get there but let him drive. Thank you Corey Great Job ! Satan is back in the garden 😮
this was a really great explanation and I think if the role of a pastor was taught in this way, the women who think they’re meant to pastor would run. God didn’t call women to be in this kind of a position. It is taxing and it takes an authority that women need for themselves. we cannot protect others from what we are vulnerable to.
People mistakenly conflate valuing women with allowing us in certain church roles. This is a byproduct of new wave feminism influencing the church. The same language is used outside the church. Based on the word of God, I believe women shouldn't be pastors, but some people think that means I don't value women, which is not true. Duh! “Ain’t I a woman??”😂
99% of Church work, for both men and women, ARE NOT Pastoral. Prayer, Evangelism, Choir, Church work days, Sunday School, .... I thought GOD Maybe HE was **calling me into Full Time Ministry in my teens in mid 1970s, but felt intimidated by secular family, and strife's within IBC circles . Jack Van Impe, Jack Hyles , Hal Lindsey were challenging role models , BUT they were human, make mistakes, and received criticism from the brethren, some of it well deserved (Criticism and Rebuke is that ALL believers Must experience) I believe the Scriptures are clear that Pastoral Leadership is for Males only, but I doubt whether most males are truly called being the mass confusion in these latter days. Because of Failures in my life, I feel very **disqualified to hold any pastoral leadership, but I'm content to Praying for others, and tract distribution. Left a few tracts in Kroger carts ( outside parking lot ) about an hour ago. I dare to say that many women who seek pastoral roles are done out of ego.
@@longstreet2740 And it's so wrong. It's due to society not putting enough values on women's roles and it not being instilled in their upbringing. Sometimes when something is instilled even when pressures makes you succumb you just won't ever feel comfortable enough to remain and you tend to yield to proper counsel regarding the issue. I know economy makes it hard to live on 1 salary so women also feel the need to compete for the more lucrative roles. God's instituted roles are always the best. So many morally unprofitable changes come with going outside your role... Just look at the gend-r confusions.
@@Ark-777Women can teach! Her ministry is teaching women! Titus 2:3-5 New International Version 3 Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. 4 Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God. AGAIN…She is not taking authority over men!
They will never tell you but Priscilla and so many know there is so much money and a niche market in WOMEN and church. They tour around the world as " teachers, " but really this is a career. Just look at Sarah Jakes and etc. You don't have to be biblical just look cute and preach to itching ears.
A pastor stands at the pulpit and preaches the bible to the congregation of men and women on Saturday/Sunday services. If Priscilla teaches exclusively at women's events, separate from sunday sermons, she is not a pastor. If she teaches men in the educational setup of a seminary, she is not a pastor.
I only ever see women getting pressured to expand their ministry to include men, as if what they're already doing is lesser than or not enough. I resent the implication because the women's ministry is a massive undertaking. It's my opinion that there is a dearth of biblical literacy within the women's ministries across the nation that affect the entire Christian family. Why? The hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world. It's typically mothers who transmit cultural values to our young children which serve as the basis for civilization. It's very important that the older Christian women who are mature in the faith use their gifts to teach younger women. There are some areas that only a woman can teach as it's inappropriate for a man to do so. I would consider it a high honor if I got to teach women when I get to be an older, mature Christian. If all of us Christian women did so, we wouldn't have time to worry about taking over leadership from the elders.
I'm not being combative nor arguing Scripture. Still and all, I'm still seeking God for the application of this very polarizing topic. However, I had no solid men in my community who I could look up to for spiritual growth. I had a great pastor, but he could not teach me in fullness as I was growing in Christ. He wasn't common to me, so contact was limited. I did learn from female ministers and the few male ministers alongside my bishop. It definitely took a team to help mature me in Christ.
@@d_roi8689 Please take this up with God..keep talking to Him about it. It's so difficult to get good advice from even ministry leaders these days. You can ask someone you respect but still no guarantee you're getting proper advice. I was used by a Pastor in my family to lend support to a cause. Soon as that was accomplished they came forward with a major telling on what they really believed ... I would have been willing to bet my life they weren't that way prior to them telling me. Until this day I'm shocked. This person covered it so well they even spoke against others in public 😔 I took it to God. But, just imagine how much damage this person has already done! I was also told that there were many who believed like my disappointing relative. Don't be too trusting. Also, pray for justice for the people who has been harmed when you discover these things. Just do an intercessory prayer asking for divine intervention, justice and restoration for the victims .... it's very important and a part of ministry that is done in private humbly and God Himself rewards you. Interceding in private is great ministry every BELIEVER CAN & should do if so lead .... accompany it with Thanksgiving. Pastor Rufus of Faith Generations here on YT is a great intercessor!! God is faithful 💯💯💯💯 Sometimes He answers these prayers even before your own 🙏
Genesis is the first book of our Bible.God gave 'specific instructions" to man and woman.The Apostle Paul reminds us in the 'New Testament in 1 Cor. and 1 Tim and others..Let's practice doing God's work God's way! Blessings
The Bible is not about our feelings,but about the word of God! Feminism teaches an anti- man perspective in today's culture.If God said it,that's it. Forget popularity,prestige and positions.What are you willing "give to save souls? John the Baptist said,'I must decrease so He can increase'! Blessings
I've been posting this issue about woman pastors for three days now on my Instagram and my follower brethren and sisters come up with the wildest excuses but never pick up the scriptures but if they do then they point back to the prophetess in the Old Testament...
Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really. I suggest my short and free scripturally-based essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. A Judge was REQUIRED in scripture to judge only the hardest of cases. Refusal to accept a Judge's verdict on any matter, resulted in execution, according to Deuteronomy. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting. Full read time: 12 minutes postable here
The Phophetest Debroha is a bad example. 1. Her role was for the NATION of Israel. The nation of Israel isn't the church. Paul was giving Titus and Timothy instructions for the Church, not Israel. 2. Even Debroah understood that her going with Barak into battle would dimenish Barak victory over the Canaanites. In Judges 4:9 She said I will go with you,...but the honor will not be yours, for the LORD will hand Sisera over to a woman. 3 Prophets and Prophetess didn't deal with the religious ordinances of the temple and the Law. The Levites/Priests and scribes (all men) served in that role. 4. Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Paul talks about the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ being available to all. He's not talking about serving in ministry. You can only justify women pastors/preachers by ignoring clear scripture and interjecting how you feel about it.
Lecrae denied his Christianity during an interview years ago. He was asked if he was a Christian rapper and he said no, he is a rapper for "all". Nuff said. Birds of a feather. They serve their own gods. The gods that allow them to deny and disobey.
I think you've misunderstood what Lecrae had said. Even though I'm too familiar with him, what he meant was that he doesn't rap specifically for Christians only, but for everybody who's listening to his music. That doesn't mean he denied his Christianity.
This is out of context. Yes, Paul is addressing Greeks and to specific churches. The letter to the Corinthians, he says let "your" women keep silence. He also tells men who speak in tongues needs to be confirmed by 2 or more. He adds that men should be more concerned with prophesy. Yes it's instruction to the Greek "culture" who are now a part of the body of Christ. He concludes that all things be done decently and in order. That sounds like he's trying to bring order to chaos.
Titus 2: 1 thru 5 Women can be teachers of good things Admonishing .. women .. (gòdly behaviors) 1 tim 2:9 thru 15 women do not teach men in public worship
Is it my opinion that while smart christian channel is good and have been correct according to scriptures on most things..he gets this wrong as well as head coverings.A result of westernizing christianity and claiming a Jewish born belief preached to gentlies as a western belief.@denisemaxwell51
I think it may be useful to minister about men leading the church. There is a lot of pointing to the scriptures about women leading in the church but men aren't even in the church. Teach men to be better leaders and spend less time arguing doctrine online with each other but maturing and loving like Christ did - having focus on the fruit of the spirit. It's always women doing all the work in the community while men are whining. The theory is if men are so good at leadership, women would follow
❤❤❤ This. It's more women who are asking to be fed the word of God than men. So the men need to be ministered to stand up and make sure their pants aren't sagging when they do because then they still aren't ready
Corey please breakdown Titus 2 . I seen a comment here taking those scriptures out of context . Maybe broken down with the Greek translation could help clarify those things. Thank you man of God
Women are not permitted to preach in the church. That is biblical, period. We didn't write the book. Speak to the Holy Spirit, if you don't agree with what the bible says about the subject.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. A Judge was REQUIRED in scripture to judge only the hardest of cases. Refusal to accept a Judge's verdict on any matter, resulted in execution, according to Deuteronomy. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting. If your beliefs can't explain all this, they must be false.
1. At the time Corinthians was written, Hebrews were NOT permitted to worship AT ALL in the open. Open worship was not okayed in society until Constantine declared Hebrews could. That said, YES, they were speaking of the gathering of the church. 2. At least 5 scriptures PRIOR to Paul instructing women to keep silent, 1 Cor. 14:26-33 LITERALLY described a chaotic scene in the church with MEN overtalking, over preaching, over prophesying, and over psalming each other. Men were behaving in a DISORDERLY manner, and in that scene they, too, were instructed to KEEP SILENT in vs 28. Once he corrected the men who were doing this, he moved on to the women who were doing the same and gave them the same instructions. 3. If you use the example of the woman at the well who came to the UNSAVED and preached the gospel, tell me what the difference was with the 2 Marys who came to the DISCIPLES and told the MEN IN AUTHORITY that Christ had risen and to come see???? 4. You skipped over the word Prophesying... as if PROPHETS didn't have authority over the people to provide instructions STRAIGHT from God. You skipped over Deborah, a PROPHET and JUDGE. A woman who both MEN and WOMEN sought out to PRESIDE over matters of the church. She also accompanied Barak IN BATTLE, as the Military Strategist, someone who gives instructions as to the best tactic of attack. As I hate to be the Bearer of bad news, that army was comprised of MEN. 5. It clearly says that a woman is permitted to PROPHESY... yet men would be in an uproar if her Prophetic calling was like Jeremiah or Isaiah.... or even Joseph. Did these men NOT speak to men? Did they not INSTRUCT men???? Is this not a position of "authority"? 6. It is clear that people are REFUSING to actually read the Word of God in its ENTIRETY and instead are relying on Googled answers. It is utter ridiculousness and Heresy to make the uninformed statement that women have not been anointed by God to have authority over men, when Esther 9:29 says that she and her uncle Mordechai were given ALL AUTHORITY over the JEWS. Before that, she INSTRUCTED all of the JEWS, men and women both to fast before she came unsummoned before the King, which she KNEW could result in death. She knowingly went in sacrificing her own life to save the Kingdom. She was appointed by God in an authoritative position, and NOT just over women. There are COUNTLESS examples of women with authority presiding over men. To use 1 or 2 scriptures to justify a stance when the ENTIRE Bible is at your discretion is bound to be taken WAY out of context. To say women cannot teach or preach in large congregations where men are in the pews is saying the Word of God contradicts itself.
@ChecXYkitout I'm glad you received what was typed! Not all were meant to accept or even hear the truth. Most people don't truly know God outside of being a Lawmaker and Judge which is why they filter the entire Bible through that lense. God NEVER puts an ordinance in place for vanity's sake. Bishops are the ONLY gender-specified position within the church, and that is because of how the Roman Government was run. Bishops were responsible for representing the church within the senate. They were to study both the Law of the Land, and the Law of God and go before the lawmakers on behalf of the church because the Romans and Greeks separated Church and State, just like we do here in America. Women weren't permitted in those times to be that representation under Roman rulership. Also, the representative had to be a man of moral character with children who were not lawless, much like lawyers and judges today in America. Not all Bishops are PASTORS. People are confusing the two. The role of Bishop is NOT a part of the 5 offices of ministry. The office of Pastor is not gender-specific, otherwise Paul wouldn't have appointed the 2 twin sisters in the New Testament to be Pastors over an entire church! Nor would he have regarded Priscilla, who literally instructed Him and Apollos AFTER Paul had already been converted. I don't speak so that all may hear the voice of the Lord and consider His ways over their own, I only speak with the expectancy that the Voice of the Lord will be heard by His sheep. Aside from that? I absolutely expect those who are not a part of the fold to follow a stranger's voice.
If you gotta wade through egalitarianism instead of scripture to argue the roles- that should tell you what has been said and who we should listen to… God’s word. Nothing to do with values or worth of your gender; rather, the roles and responsibilities that are given to each- and both don’t always live up to them, or are qualified … but that doesn’t excuse confusing the roles or doing what we are not given the role to do- and it’s clear what is and isn’t.
Especially when the reasons given are brought all the way back to genesis as to why it is meant to be specific roles… and we are living in the result.. and consequences…of not following and sticking to the roles and responsibilities given.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28, And I do not permit a wife to teach or to have authority over a husband, but to be in silence. The husband is the head of the wife, but Christ is head of the church. Ephesians 5:23. Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; Philippians 2:12.
These days, in many churches, you’ll see women getting up to sing solo or lead the praise and worship team. They’re not just singing; they’re giving praise, encouragement, and often teaching through songs filled with scripture. But no one seems to notice that they’re essentially ministering and teaching to everyone, including men. It’s something that used to be called music ministry, and women were known as music ministers doing God’s work. I was taught that back in Paul's time, women preaching or teaching over men in church was discouraged because, in the gentile nations Paul visited, women in pagan temples often behaved in ways that were considered seductive and inappropriate. When these women converted to Christianity, they were asked to refrain from certain behaviors to maintain the sanctity of the worship service and avoid tempting the men in the congregation. Fast forward to today, and we’re seeing a similar issue. Some women in church dress in tight, revealing clothes, just like Jaunita Bynum mentioned. When they lead worship or preach like that, it can be distracting and even tempting for the men, including pastors. Now, instead of ministering, it feels more like performing, which is no different from the world outside the church. So, in reality, women are still teaching and preaching over men in a music ministry position when they sing to the entire congregation.
you wrote: I was taught that back in Paul's time, women preaching or teaching over men in church was discouraged because, in the gentile nations Paul visited, women in pagan temples often behaved in ways that were considered seductive and inappropriate. I believe that is incorrect. Paul had some serious false teachings. I've covered some in an informal essay. There is one perfect teacher, Jesus. God, and therefore Jesus, had nothing negative to state against Deborah, a Judge over Israel. In contrast to other Judges. A Judge could execute. A Judge could teach from scripture. I know the story of Deborah well. One would have to explain how God would have no problem with a woman being a pastor/shepherd in the Old Covenant, yet be totally against that in the New. There is no real explanation...except Paul. A man very much of his time.
@@8784-l3b You still can't ignore the historical facts that is what women did during those times in those pagan nations and that's what their doing today! Have a blessed day!
@@8784-l3b I never said that women have no role in the church. If you read the scriptures, you know better. You're trying to compare Jewish culture and their worship practices with those of the gentiles, which were quite different. There was no need for Peter or the other apostles to address issues like women preaching or homosexuality to the Jews because they already knew God's expectations. However, Paul addressed these matters with the gentiles because they had different beliefs and practices. Regarding Paul being a false teacher, there are no historical records from early church fathers in the 1st century and later that object to his teachings. Early church fathers like Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp, and Irenaeus addressed false teachings but did not criticize Paul. Even from the 1st century to the 3rd century, their view concerning Paul's teachings hadn't changed. Many letters from early church fathers debated various topics, such as worship days and tithing, but none questioned Paul's teachings. I’d like to encourage you to read "Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs: A Reference Guide to More Than 700 Topics Discussed by the Early Church Fathers" by David W. Bercot, which includes 1st to 3rd century early church writings to further your research. The writer discourages reading anything later due to spurious writings in those later centuries.
@@butterflyj685 I've written 2 informal essays. One on Deborah and another on some of Paul's teachings. Without being nasty, you do lack knowledge, but that can change. Let me know if you want more information on both or one. I use scripture a great deal, and much less of my opinions.
I don’t know. Maybe if people looked at these “offices” they have now entitled leadership positions as ministry GIFTS left behind at Christ’s ascension, and weren’t so obsessed with having titles, it would be easier to accept what is written without trying to justify why you want it to say something else. The fact the people also use “leaders” interchangeably with the word the Bible uses “elders,” does not help at all. Don’t see how people don’t understand that an elder has one wife. It necessarily follows that an elder is a man. It’s not hard….
Written by Paul. A man that couldn't qualify to be an elder, so he gave himself the title of 'father'. A title that was forbidden by Jesus. Be careful of the teachings of Paul.
@@8784-l3b Be careful of acting like all Scripture is not inspired- God breathed- by Holy Spirit. The fact you even said this says way more than I need to know. Don’t know why it’s so difficult for people to understand order. Nothing is new since the Garden I see.
@@theworthyproject A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting. If your beliefs can't explain all this, they must be false. I suggest my free informal essay on Deborah. This is where you start. Read time: 12 minutes postable
@@8784-l3b I'm going to say it. What you said is straight demonic. You're speaking on Paul 2000 years after the fact. You don't know him nor met him. Those who walked with Jesus and knew Paul never spoke against his teaching. They affirmed his teaching as scripture and his ministry. You see Peter affirms Paul and his teachings in verse 15 and Peter affirms you in verse 16. 2 Peter 3:14-16 NASB [14] Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, [15] and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, [16] as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. According to Luke the Physician and historians Account Act 9:10-18 Ananias affirms Jesus' call on Paul's life Act 9:27 Barnabas affirmed him the apostles and the elders in Jerusalem Act 15:2...the brethren determined that Paul and Barnabas and some others of them should go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders concerning this issue. Act 15:4 When they arrived at Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they reported all that God had done with them. Even the Demons affirmed Paul Act_19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said to them, "I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?" If what Paul wrote is suspect then all the Bible is suspect because Jesus chose him. Nice try Satan
(not this channel) ...because the hair instead of a covering hath been given to her... In your own selves judge ye; is it seemly for a woman uncovered to pray to God? doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man indeed have long hair, a dishonour it is to him? and a woman, if she have long hair, a glory it is to her, because the hair instead of a covering hath been given to her;... -Young's Literal Translation (YLT) For her hair is given to her as a covering. Does even nature itself not teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her as a covering. -NASB A woman's long hair is the 'covering'. If a fabric covering is actually required, then all references to hair are totally irrelevant to the subject. It only can make sense if the long hair of a woman is the 'covering'. She should be covered, with her long hair. To have short hair, like a man, means that she is basically bald. Therefore uncovered. _______________________________________________________________ If a woman needs to touch and pick up something physical, before acceptable communication with deity can happen, that would make the fabric covering a talisman. Though the woman would not believe she is using a talisman. talisman (basic definition)- a piece of clothing (or other physical object) that is believed to have spiritual (or magical) properties. The object will align with your intention for its use. Every time a woman looks at a fabric head covering, her mind will recall the original intention of its use, until wearing it becomes a necessary ritual.
I’m an ordained minister. I facilitate a bible group of about 20 people 2 young men attend , (They are not saved) and my nephew may pop in sometimes. I do not try to Lord over men. However, if they want to sit in on prayer or bible study , I refuse to hinder them. I am not their pastor.
It does not matter what anyone say "man" or woman biblical God has "never" called woman to preach or teach his word in a congregational setting period. Let God be true and every man and woman a liar, that will try to transgress the "Gospel"!
@karlinwilliamson9329 With all do respect brother that lie that prophecy by a woman is preaching is "false" 1Tim 2 vers 11-14 & 1Cor 14 31-end be lead by the Spirit, search the scriptures for in them you "think" you have Eternal life, but the scriptures testify of HIM Christ!
@@perrydavis2765 that's scripture. I didnt say preaching. Prophesy is forth telling the Word and forelling the word. So you don't belive in Corithians chapter 11😂
@karlinwilliamson9329 Yes, but his commtary was on can a woman preach or teach men and women in a congregational setting, so l'm ask you where does the Holy scriptures allow a woman to preach, l'm open to be corrected by Holy scriptures thank you.
People who believe that Paul was confused or something when he wrote "I, not the Lord" have missed Acts 16:3. The writer makes it clear that Paul circumcised Timothy because of the influences of the Philippian culture. And yet, Paul openly rebukes the Galatians for commanding circumcision. When he says HE is speaking about no women preachers and NOT God, HE'S SPEAKING THE TRUTH! Why are we trying to make it seem like he was confused when he was writing under the influence of the Holy Spirit?!?!
If the world is agreeing with you and encouraging you as a Christian to do a particular thing with almost no backlash then it’s probably not the right thing to do. The Bible is clear on the issue and it’s really not up for debate in terms of whether women should be pastors or have authority over men. That is not to say that women can never witness to a man or never give her testimony, or never answer a question if a man asks her. It is to say that women make every effort to build up other women and to lead men to other men that can help them with spiritual matters.
The question I have about the command "Women shall not have authority over men" is : Is this command only for church? Or does it also apply to the world? For example can women be job supervisors, police officers, Judges, CEO'S, President of a country etc?
... I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet Deborah was a Judge. Judges 4 and 5. God ruled Israel through Deborah, since she was a Judge.
Brother Corey, I think many Christian leaders are Egalitarian but use reasons like "covering" , the woman at the well and so on to justify female elders. There is a video by Pastor John Piper on the Desiring God website on why women can't preach/be elders, even if the other elders of the church affirm it. Dr. Piper holds the same views as you do. I think to understand Egalitarians, you need to identify their best scholars and have a respectful debate with them.
you cant say this is cultural but woman speaking in church is not cultural, so if woman are required not to preach in church then they must be required to cover there heads when they pray, they also can not braid there hair! You like to pick and choose scriptures
“Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the LORD: he shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried. All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk. All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth himself unto the LORD, he shall be holy, and shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow. All the days that he separateth himself unto the LORD he shall come at no dead body. He shall not make himself unclean for his father, or for his mother, for his brother, or for his sister, when they die: because the consecration of his God is upon his head. All the days of his separation he is holy unto the LORD. And if any man die very suddenly by him, and he hath defiled the head of his consecration; then he shall shave his head in the day of his cleansing, on the seventh day shall he shave it. And on the eighth day he shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons, to the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: and the priest shall offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering, and make an atonement for him, for that he sinned by the dead, and shall hallow his head that same day. And he shall consecrate unto the LORD the days of his separation, and shall bring a lamb of the first year for a trespass offering: but the days that were before shall be lost, because his separation was defiled. And this is the law of the Nazarite, when the days of his separation are fulfilled: he shall be brought unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: and he shall offer his offering unto the LORD, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings, and a basket of unleavened bread, cakes of fine flour mingled with oil, and wafers of unleavened bread anointed with oil, and their meat offering, and their drink offerings. And the priest shall bring them before the LORD, and shall offer his sin offering, and his burnt offering: and he shall offer the ram for a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD, with the basket of unleavened bread: the priest shall offer also his meat offering, and his drink offering. And the Nazarite shall shave the head of his separation at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall take the hair of the head of his separation, and put it in the fire which is under the sacrifice of the peace offerings. And the priest shall take the sodden shoulder of the ram, and one unleavened cake out of the basket, and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them upon the hands of the Nazarite, after the hair of his separation is shaven: and the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD: this is holy for the priest, with the wave breast and heave shoulder: and after that the Nazarite may drink wine. This is the law of the Nazarite who hath vowed, and of his offering unto the LORD for his separation, beside that his hand shall get: according to the vow which he vowed, so he must do after the law of his separation. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them, The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.” Numbers 6:2-27 KJV “Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way: that the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.” John 18:7-9 KJV
Sometimes when Priscilla have an event in which she preaches or teaches to a group of women, those women's husband would Sometimes tag alone with the wives to hear Priscilla teach. Is Priscilla doing any wrong or sinful in this case?
The Spirit of God has the right of way...(PERIOD) and HE doesn't go against HIS word (that he inspired) so why are "Christians "still looking at the flesh and not listening for the Spirit of TRUTH.? Not sure why it's so important for you to pick what she is saying apart? She is a Womans minister. Stop picking the church apart Corey!!! btw, She's loaded with the text and she's not bringing up a name to justify her choice( or brag to qualify herself) like some do, but to answer a relevant question she was asked... Who does that? oh, YOU DO, my bad. Stop it, you are reaching...
A woman should tend to the Children... You can't compare the woman at the well telling people that she just met the SonOfMan with Feeding the Flock, Wisdom... Come on Corey, you know better than that... God Bless You in Jesus Mighty Name!!! Amen!!!
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Amen Corey that's exactly right and I'm so tired of Men and Women want all these titles that God didn't gifted them with, it's so many so called apostles and so called prophetess and they really started coming out of the wood works when Covic hit in 2020 every body everything except for a servant of Lord Jesus Christ I guess that will be to much like right 😊❤😊and further more if a person are person have theses gifts they don't have to tell know one because the Light inside of a person will definitely shine on the outside and people will know you by the fruit of your spirit and I don't go around claiming gifts but I know I'm a Woman of God and I don't need no male or female to tell me so and All Glory Be to God He uses when He wants to,how He wants to and where He wants to it's All about God, not man, not one person died for me but Lord Jesus Christ Amen Hallelujah glory hallelujah Amen ❤❤❤
I do have a question my wife and I have been studying this topic and the question that’s been guiding our study from 1 Timothy is what is Paul’s definition of the word “ teach” and is it different than “preaching” that we see in the church? Also, how would Timothy have understood the word teach, as he is the receiver of the teaching?
(not this channel) You need to know 2 things. #1) Understand Deborah and what a Judge was (I have a short free postable essay.) #2) Understand and know, that Paul wasn't a perfect teacher. (That is another free essay.) Commentary with scripture, with limited opinions.
So what would you tell you daughter if she was in the same situation....ie. If a man of God that you respect asked her to minister at his church and her husband had agreed but she felt she also needed your consent (as a form of spiritual covering)?...are you saying you'd advise her to ask God instead, cause if that's the case then most women preachers will tell you they doing that?
@SmartChristianChannel Brother Cory I am conflicted when it comes to the matter of women preaching. I know that Bible clearly states what the qualifications of a pastor/Bishop is: the HUSBAND of one wife. My conflict comes to preaching/evangelizing. Would not Acts 1:8 fall under preaching/evangelizing? Was the instructions only given to male disciples? Please help. Thank you in advance. Joe Rivera
I've come to the conclusion that if a church is being run as a business then it really doesn't matter. The church just seems to want someone to teach the folks that are in need of itching ears. That's my take. Do I think it's still right that these women have taken over? Nope. But if no man is stepping up to do the jobs then they feel it's their duty to fill in. But then again most church buildings are a business.
Hi I have a question for you, so it says that Paul says this can you help me better understand this Paul with all respect He said that he suffer not a woman He didn't say God and also he also mentioned that if a man head is shaved off that is what You know what that he said about that right That's the questions for you please answer with all the respect and I'm asking this with respect Thank you so much GOD Bless You😊❤ these questions are with love just wanted to add that Thank you again😊
It's interesting to see so many people acting as if the Holy Spirit picked up a quill and wrote the Bible. The truth is, it was written by human beings. It's a great source of inspiration, morality, values, and spiritual blueprint. But it also needs to be acknowledged that it was written by men. Timothy, Paul, Luke, John, etc. were all human beings. And human beings are interpreting things that were written in a context of a very different time -- not to mention in a different langauge so are trying to interpret a translation -- all these thousands of years later. What I know is God needs no help. If He gets annoyed, irritated, etc. He can do what he's done and take life, smite, etc. God's got it. If He really has a big issue with women preaching He can, and will, silence and punish them, and that will be the lesson and example to others.
Hey Corey. Allen Parr dropped a video about some Christians wanting to boycott the Olympics because of the opening ceremony of a golden calf. Some say they not going to watch but Allen Parr said he will continue to watch it because the open ceremony does not dictate to all the athletes faith. I just want to know your intake on the matter. Thank you!
His key words at the beginning, what 'you' want to do. Then there is God's will be done. Our thinking, our reasoning, our tendency to dream will NEVER trump what God has ordained. You can believe about your perceived wish or desire or understanding all you like. God did not give women 'ministry' as in preach the gospel... That is all... 🤦
@@jeffellenberger3963 that's not the answer, that's shows authority. A woman teaching you, doesn't mean she has authority over you because we all are stewards spreading the gospel of Jesus. So please try again
@@teoesak This was all settled at about 1100 B.C. with Deborah. Either Paul didn't know about her or didn't care about her. A Judge could judge anything. Including homicide cases. A Judge could teach from the Law.
I believe what Paul is pointing out in 1 Corinthians 11 concerning the covering of a woman's head: back in Exodus when Moses descends from Mount Sinai he is seen with the radiance of God on him; so much that he lived out the remainder of his life with his face covered and only removed his covering when he spoke to the Israelites. In the same ways when a man speaks in the pulpit, he stands in the stead of Christ and should be uncovered however with a woman a covering is necessary possibly of what Paul implies concerning angels. A woman's covering protects her glory from the "Sons of God" (fallen angels). It was the angels spoken of in Genesis 6 who made women more knowledgeable about the beauty they possess and the power of influence that comes with it. So I don't think it's that she cannot prophecy rather her face should be covered to refrain from her face being a distraction to the message of God. This is an impossible feat in today's society because of vanity. Ask yourself how many women would agree to preach with her face hidden as was customary for women in those times. She would want to be seen. In fact the movement surrounding women preachers in churches proves the issue of them being seen and respected; which points to why this passage from Paul was worded in such a way.
...because the hair instead of a covering hath been given to her... In your own selves judge ye; is it seemly for a woman uncovered to pray to God? doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man indeed have long hair, a dishonour it is to him? and a woman, if she have long hair, a glory it is to her, because the hair instead of a covering hath been given to her;... -Young's Literal Translation (YLT) For her hair is given to her as a covering. Does even nature itself not teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her as a covering. -NASB A woman's long hair is the 'covering'. If a fabric covering is actually required, then all references to hair are totally irrelevant to the subject. It only can make sense if the long hair of a woman is the 'covering'. She should be covered, with her long hair. To have short hair, like a man, means that she is basically bald. Therefore uncovered. __________________________________________ If a woman needs to touch and pick up something physical, before acceptable communication with deity can happen, that would make the fabric covering a talisman. Though the woman would not believe she is using a talisman. talisman (basic definition)- a piece of clothing (or other physical object) that is believed to have spiritual (or magical) properties. The object will align with your intention for its use. Every time a woman looks at a fabric head covering, her mind will recall the original intention of its use, until wearing it becomes a necessary ritual.
@@8784-l3b if I'm understanding correctly your saying the scripture is implying hair to be the covering verses and actual covering; then your not applying historical/cultural context to what the speaker is saying. 1 Corinth 11: 6 tells us that if she does not have a covering over her it would be better that her hair be short or bald. Verse 10 say she should have a "symbol of authority" over her hair. There is a clear implication of a fabric of some sort. Now historically it is known that in the age even to the present, for those who still hold to tradition, single women should have both their head and face covered(which is what the passage is actually describing to the readers); while married women and widows should still have their heads covered however their faces are allowed to be shown if permitted by their husband. The reason is because any showing of a woman's flesh is meant for her husband only. It would not be considered a tallisman of use for a woman to assume a role of leadership or prayer rather a cultural sign of respect; like a man removing his hat when he walks in a room. Also, factually women in Asia Minor who hold to tradition today still practice head covering when they pray to God whether at home or in the temple. I believe you misunderstood the implied connection I was making in my response. My comment was to point out the significance of the covering and why Paul imposed a woman should have her face covered if perhaps she is allowed to speak at church. Her covering shows respect to tradition 1st and 2nd a woman's head is synonymous with her beauty. Without covering, her face and beauty become the center of attention rather than the message of God being presented to the people. Men are visual creators while women tend to be more material. If she's serving God in the church she should be willing to do so with her face covered; both as an example to the young women and to take the focus off of herself.
@@scooder2215 PREFACE I have no intention of explaining how the email which I now offer to the web was downloaded to my drive. Readers are advised to remember that demons are liars. Not everything that Boltglue says should be assumed to be true, even from his own perspective. -S. Szpak Email #8 Nightowl, my dear brother We are the real priests. We serve the authentic Great King. Teach well. Teach the truth. In teaching there is victory. Make sure their so-called "royal priesthood" is understood to be a two-tiered priesthood based on birthright. The males in the higher tier and females in the lower. Leadership must always be male in this two-tiered priesthood. Then use double talk to convince the females they aren't regarded as lesser than males. Even though the females have no say about anything. In fact, do everything you can to literally stop them from speaking in gatherings, even the smallest ones. Don't let them speak up against any evil. Tell them it isn't their place, since the Liar put them in the lower tier. If something was said in an assembly a female knew was blatant error, be sure she is taught that some male will address the matter in due time. I can't stress this strongly enough. Don't let them speak! No praying, no praising, no singing, no reading of the Old Words, no reading of the New Words. Don't let them even speak "Glad you all came." or "Good morning." This is how to separate the females. They can be seen but not heard. A few will commit suicide. That's always fun to watch if you have the time. But don't waste time looking for such an amusement, there is much work to be done. After women that follow the Liar are totally silenced, we must make them invisible as well. As one of their better animal teachers, Clem, put it in his aptly titled work 'The Instructor': ...but because it has also been enjoined that the head should be veiled and the face covered; for it is a wicked thing for beauty to be a snare to men. Nor is it seemly for a woman to wish to make herself conspicuous, by using a purple veil. Would it were possible to abolish purple in dress, so as not to turn the eyes of spectators on the face of those that wear it! But the women, in the manufacture of all the rest of their dress, have made everything of purple, thus inflaming the lusts. And more: But by no manner of means are women to be allotted to uncover and exhibit any part of their person, lest both fall,-the men by being excited to look, they by drawing on themselves the eyes of the men. Clem was SO good! Too bad he's gone. But encourage others to follow his words. Let the females be ashamed of their beauty. Let them hate it as if it was a deformity. Make sure THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE for not tempting a male. If these New Words come up, crush them immediately: To the pure, all things are pure. But to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure. Even their minds and consciences are defiled. Silence, then invisibility, then the question: "Why do I exist?" Let her be given this answer: "There is no reason." Eventually she will stand before a mirror and see nothing. Eventually she will hang herself and be nothing. Excellent! -your Sacred older brother Boltglue
But after all of Paul’s words he then said BUT if any man be CONTENTIOUS then we have NO Such CUSTOM. A lot of old folks in my church just glazed right over the word contentious because they didn’t know the meaning and didn’t bother to look it up they didn’t understand. That is a conditional statement so after all is said we don’t have to stick to a custom if it is disagreeable or contentious. ( causing a problem)
@@SymoneWebb-pu7cl yes and no. I agree with the not necessarily having to keep the custom of having women to cover themselves however this was again done in respect and symbolic of 1. The nature and maturity of understanding the biblical hierarchy and 2. Keeping the direction of the message centered on Christ and less on the person delivering it. It may be small however the impact of something so simple as a face covering has caused a commotion amongst women because the desire is for them to be seen. The argument in today's churches revolves around women not just speaking in pulpits but being seen and acknowledged as a representative of God in the same respective areas as men pastors. But in that she(we) are missing the point... If our conversation is centered around representation then the focus is not Christ centered and the message is obscure at best. Thus the purpose of his statement and my question: do we believe women would still consider being pastors if they agree to cover their faces, so the only focus is the message and not the messenger? If this is about salvation and not personal gain or self promotion then the request shouldn't matter. Naturally the same wouldn't apply to men because the temptation flies with the power of influence built into the essence of a woman. I don't believe Paul is implying the topic itself as the point of contention since this was customary at the time; rather the distinction between a woman's hair being her covering or her use of a vail. Remember his message was to the church in Corinth who were better at serving God but still had disagreements amongst what was customary to do. I believe the statement was Paul's attempt to keep the peace and detour unnecessary stumbling blocks.
Corey you finally got to it, this is what Bishop Wooden was saying that he has no problem preaching at the church in front of men as long as he and their husbands allow it
I love Bishop Wooden but scripture is clear. It makes no mention that women can be pastors if their husbands or a man in leadership approves. Women are not to be in leadership in the home, church or government. The role of headship is male per God’s Word. Isaiah 3:12 is clear…women in leadership is a judgment from God. This is a debate that will continue until Jesus returns.
@@richk320 no it does not. The only terms linked to the pastoral office is bishop (spiritual leader or lead pastor), elder, Deacon (male) and Deaconess (female) Now since that's true, does that mean all men and women in co-pastor roles are going against what is written?? This subject of can women be pastors is very half baked and not a real argument. Just spread the gospel, be it male or female.
@@teoesakhere is the thing though. What you said in your last part of your comment has nothing to do with the office of pastor. You don’t have to be pastor to spread the gospel, we are all called as believers to do that. Not all are called to be pastors for God’s church. There are qualifications for that and being women means you are not qualified according to scripture. There is a structure with Gods church as there is also a structure in marriage. Christ over husband and wife, husband over wife etc. If you have a problem with that then my friend, it seems you really have an issue with the word of God.
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Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (I wonder why. Jesus sent her and not a man)? Rom 16:3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus. 1Co 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house. Priscilla and Aquila. The texts read Prisca (dim.) as in 2Ti 4:19. See Act 18:2, Act 18:18, Act 18:26; 1Co 16:19, for all we know of these helpers. Whether converts of Paul is not clear, but they were deeply taught in the Scriptures and the "Way" of God, as is shown in Act 18:26. (E.W. Bullinger companion notes) helpers = fellow-labourers. Greek. sunergos. Compare Php 1:4, Php 1:3. See 1Co 3:9. (E.W Bullinger companion notes). Corey needs to do a deeper study of God's word.
On one hand you say stick to the word. Where in the word does it say to be political or try to make the world think like us. I think preachers should stay out of politics
This is for everyone on this comment feed and the brother who made this video: shaphat is the Hebrew word for judge. Hebrew Lexicon H8199. It means to pronounce sentence over, vindicate or punish, to RULE over or PRESIDE, execute judgemnet or to defend. These are the SAME duties an episkope is supposed to exercise in the House of God. So as I stated before in the comments, Deborah was an appointed Judge aka Overseer aka RULER. You can't claim that she only acted as a judge to women and not men because that's not scripture. Bible says she judged the CHILDREN of Israel which I'm sure we can say that includes men. The scripture used to support your claims would be a contradiction and lying on the character of The Most High. Be honest, these are personal conjectures, not scripture. I doubt any of you truly consulted the Holy Ghost in this matter, and are drawing from your own understanding without allowing room for Ahayah's revelation.
@@KingPriest82 Essay on Deborah, the Judge and prophetess. (Revised Dec. 2023) Before Paul we have her story. We don't know what Paul would have said about her. We have to read about her first and then try to understand Paul (if possible). This is what the people at the beginning of Christianity had to do. They knew the story of Deborah already. Deborah is either a meaningless exception or an important precedent, in the debate of whether men and women are spiritually equal. Before beginning, it should be noted that there is no scripture stating clearly or even hinting at, that Deborah was God's second choice. There was no man that rejected the call to be Judge, requiring a woman to take that place. ************************************************************* INTRODUCTION: Before God was rejected by Israel for the rulership of men, that is, kings, there were different 'seasons' so to speak. One of those seasons was the time of the Judges. ...but they have rejected Me from being King over them. Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah; and they said to him, “Behold, you have grown old, and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now appoint us a king to judge us like all the nations.” But the matter was displeasing in the sight of Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” And Samuel prayed to the Lord. And the Lord said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people regarding all that they say to you, because they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being King over them. Like all the deeds which they have done since the day that I brought them up from Egypt even to this day-in that they have abandoned Me and served other gods-so they are doing to you as well. -excerpt 1 Samuel 8 A Judge at this time, was VERY different from a judge in our time. The Judge was over the nation of Israel. But not as a man, as King, or as a woman, as Queen, because God was not rejected as King as yet. God ruled Israel through the Judges. Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV (In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has obvious meaning to the average person.) Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way. “My people have become lost sheep; Their shepherds have led them astray. -excerpt Jeremiah 50 For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may check out Ezekiel 34. And here we see Judges ruling over Israel. Therefore we see God ruling over the men and women of Israel, through a woman. That is, in the case of Deborah: Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet Finally: All the Judges were men, except one. Deborah. She was married, but her husband was not a Judge. HER JUDGING AUTHORITY here: Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment. -excerpt Judges 4 Deborah judged men and had the authority to execute, as some sins in the Old Covenant, such as murder, demanded the death penalty as the punishment. There was no appeal to Deborah's (a Judge's) verdict: ... you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. If a man rejected Deborah's decision, the penalty was execution: But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die;... She used the Law, therefore scripture, when judging and instructing: In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you... She had the same authority as a Levitical priest: So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge... The location she judged was determined by God. It was not a small cabin or cave, but outdoors. Therefore a public setting: ...go up to the place which the Lord your God chooses. [She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country... -excerpt Judges 4] Also of note, she judged the hardest cases in the nation. “If a case is too difficult for you to decide, between one kind of homicide or another, between one kind of lawsuit or another, and between one kind of assault or another, that are cases of dispute in your courts, then you shall arise and go up to the place which the Lord your God chooses. So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge who is in office in those days, and you shall inquire of them and they will declare to you the verdict. Then you shall act in accordance with the terms of the verdict which they declare to you from that place which the Lord chooses; and you shall be careful to act in accordance with everything that they instruct you to do. In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you, and in accordance with the verdict which they tell you, you shall act; you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die; so you shall eliminate the evil from Israel. -excerpt Deuteronomy 17 [END OF PARTITION 1 OF 2]
@@KingPriest82 THE REASON GOD SENT HER here: ...the Lord was moved to pity... And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them. -excerpt Judges 2 The sending of a Judge meant God was showing mercy to His people. It wasn't a judgment against them. Since Deborah was a woman, this scripture is sometimes used in error to describe her, in our time: My people! Their oppressors treat them violently, And women rule over them. My people! Those who guide you lead you astray And confuse the direction of your paths. -excerpt Isaiah 3 They are taking the prophetess Deborah and comparing her to Jezebel who murdered prophets. Has it not been reported to my master what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, that I hid a hundred prophets of the Lord... -excerpt 1 Kings 18 When a Judge died, THEN people were led astray. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 After Deborah's time in Judges 4 and 5, we see confirmation of the people turning back and acting more corruptly than their fathers. Then the sons of Israel did what was evil in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord handed them over to Midian for seven years. The power of Midian prevailed against Israel. -excerpt Judges 6 first two sentences (above) When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. THE AUTHORITY SHE HAD OVER THE COMMANDER OF THE ARMY here: Now she sent word and summoned Barak... She gave the order for the battle to begin that Israel won. Then Deborah said to Barak, “Arise! For this is the day on which the Lord has handed Sisera over to you... Before the battle began she prophesied that a woman would kill Sisera (the enemy commander). This happened, as Jael, a woman not part of the battle, killed Sisera. She said, “I will certainly go with you; however, the fame shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman.” And: But Jael, Heber’s wife, took a tent peg and a hammer in her hand, and went secretly to him and drove the peg into his temple, and it went through into the ground; for he was sound asleep and exhausted. So he died. And behold, while Barak was pursuing Sisera, Jael came out to meet him and said to him, “Come, and I will show you the man whom you are seeking.” So he entered with her, and behold, Sisera was lying dead with the tent peg in his temple. So what were the results of this battle? And the Lord routed Sisera and all his chariots and all his army with the edge of the sword before Barak; and Sisera got down from his chariot and fled on foot. But Barak pursued the chariots and the army as far as Harosheth-hagoyim, and all the army of Sisera fell by the edge of the sword; not even one was left. Also: So God subdued Jabin the king of Canaan on that day before the sons of Israel. And the hand of the sons of Israel pressed harder and harder upon Jabin the king of Canaan, until they had eliminated Jabin the king of Canaan. -excerpts Judges 4 In Judges 5, most of the chapter is Deborah and Barak singing praises to God. The song lyrics are there. Final sentence of Judges 5: And the land was at rest for forty years. Obviously a great outcome. WERE THE MEN AT THAT TIME EXCEPTIONALLY COWARDLY? here: (added Dec. 2023) I have had comments over time that the leaders in Israel were cowardly. So a woman was chosen to be a Judge because of that. Now on the same night it came about that the Lord said to him, “Arise, go down against the camp, for I have handed it over to you. But if you are afraid to go down, go with Purah your servant down to the camp, so that you will hear what they say; and afterward you will have the courage to go down against the camp.” So he went down with Purah his servant to the outposts of the army that was in the camp. -excerpt Judges 7 -God speaking to Gideon the Judge We see Gideon afraid, because he took Purah his servant. As it says: So he went down with Purah his servant to the outposts of the army that was in the camp. And the Lord said to Gideon, “The people who are with you are too many for Me to hand Midian over to them, otherwise Israel would become boastful, saying, ‘My own power has saved me.’ Now therefore come, proclaim in the hearing of the people, saying, ‘Whoever is afraid and worried, is to return and leave Mount Gilead.’” So twenty-two thousand from the people returned, but ten thousand remained. -excerpt Judges 7 (above) Many men were fearful. But we also see that there was no way for Israel to free themselves. No way for them to be their own savior, even if they somehow summoned up the courage. God made the decision several times in the Book of Judges to have others rule over them and oppress them. God's will was done. Men couldn't overrule God, even with perfect courage. Barak, in the end, went into battle. He did well enough to be mentioned in the so-called Hall of Faith in Hebrews 11 in a positive way: And what more shall I say? For time will fail me if I tell of ... Barak... who by faith conquered kingdoms, performed acts of righteousness, obtained promises, shut the mouths of lions, quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight. In Judges 5 Deborah and Barak mention the leaders in a positive way multiple times. Then Deborah and Barak the son of Abinoam sang on that day, saying, “For the leaders leading in Israel, For the people volunteering, Bless the Lord! Also: My heart goes out to the commanders of Israel, The volunteers among the people; Bless the Lord! Also: The people of the Lord came down to me as warriors. From Ephraim those whose root is in Amalek came down, Following you, Benjamin, with your peoples; From Machir commanders came down, And from Zebulun those who wield the staff of office. And the princes of Issachar were with Deborah; As was Issachar, so was Barak;... Also: Zebulun was a people who risked their lives, And Naphtali too, on the high places of the field. We see clearly that the leaders and "The people of the Lord..." in a number of tribes stepped up when they believed God was going to move to save them through Deborah the Judge. EXPLANATION OF GOD USING DEBORAH here: Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth... Prophets and prophetesses are anointed with the Holy Spirit as we know. The explanation of God using Deborah to judge men and being over the army is here: An anointing of the Holy Spirit is the anointing of a powerful masculine being. That anointing eclipses gender. FINAL THOUGHTS here: A woman anointed with the Holy Spirit can serve in any capacity in our time. Whatever valid title/position there is. To oppose this, is to oppose the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit that was upon Deborah the prophetess and Judge. Deborah, the woman that "saved them from the hand of their enemies" by God's will. [END OF PARTITION 2 OF 2]
Nope, It says they are to keep silent that means they can not open their mouths, so why is it you said that doesn’t actually mean they can speak, but then say the other scripture does mean that they cant teach, it sounds like Male misogyny! last I checked the bible say there is no Jew nor Greek, Male nor Female, Free nor Slave in the Kingdom of GOD, and are we not all the Body of Christ and one with HIM? Jesus said to Paul “Saul, Saul why are you persecuting me?” Jesus sees us all as one with HIM, so why is it that the body is Treating women like second class citizens in the church? you get the easy Job of teaching in the church but you will allow woman to go out into the world and preach to men the gospel, thats a double standard, send out the woman to do a job that they could be persecuted doing, but men you chill in the church and speak to those who are already saved and are not going to persecute you. how does that make logical sense to anyone?
9:47 the same Paul gave a long letter a appreciating multiple people who helped him which included women. Also why did Apollos allow himself to be taught by a woman? Why did aquila teach along side his wife? Why didn't others apart from Paul affirm this belief? This topic is not as straight forward as you believe. The biggest question is why are women today genuinely being called by God into ministry? Surely God won't contradict his word, so is there something everyone is missing?
It is as straightforward as the Bible shows. (1) Apollos was not taught by a woman. (2) Aquila and Priscilla were updating Apollos on church doctrine so he'd be more effective at his job. He was a follower of John the Baptist, but he apparently wasn't one of the original followers of Christ. (3) The other apostles didn't need to affirm it. God already made His position on the matter very clear. (4) No woman is genuinely called by God into ministry.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 you just said aquila (man) and Priscilla (woman) taught apollos. Then you said he is a follower of John the Baptist, how does that affect him being taught by woman??. Both Paul and Timothy who are vocal about not letting women talk are not part of the original followers of jesus. Since God made his position clear on the matter, then a woman can teach a man, no problem. You saying woman are not called by God isn't accurate, there are 5 offices. Do your own research and tell me those women weren't called?
@@teoesakbro woman can testify about Jesus Christ alone side men , but not to lead or pastor Gods church , so women can share the gospel alone side man and also prophecy, the word of God is clear on this , just like how Satan managed to manipulate the women in the beginning as get her to do the same thing that God word said not to do , today Satan is doing the same thing with women who are pastors and leaders in church is a clear example that Satan already manipulates them to do the same thing that God word said not to do , and have the heart to say it’s God who called them to be a pastor, it’s clear the god that called them is not the God of the Bible , because the God of the Bible is clearly against it ,
The only office that scripture speaks of that a woman is not a part of is a Bishop. There's no mention of a Bishop in the old testament. Women operated as Judges, priests, and prophets in the old testament. If a woman calls a fast isn't that authority over a man? Deborah was a judge, isn't that authority over a man? Proverbs says that a prudent wife is from the Lord. The Hebrew word Sakal is a root word for prudent. It also includes instruct, teach, and guide. I hope this comment finds you well but I can't let the lies and misinterpretation go unchallenged.
This was all settled with Deborah, at about 1100 B.C. I wrote an informal free essay on Deborah, should you wish a study at some point. If a man's case was sent to the Judge, and he refused to appear before the Judge, the penalty was execution. A Judge could judge homicide cases, therefore a Judge could execute a man for his sin.
@user-iz8np3vv4i what's sad is they won't get it. They're stuck on their own personal conjectures and interpretation of scripture based on their own feelings of women preaching and teaching them.
A Judge, Deborah for example, was cleared to teach from the Law, that is, scripture. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men scripture in a public setting even in the Old Covenant.
Readers are advised to remember that demons are liars. Not everything that Boltglue says should be assumed to be true, even from his own perspective. -S. Szpak Email #2 Nightowl, my dear brother I must mention the wife of Lappidoth at this point. Even though we both know her name, it is safest for us not to have such a name in print, should this email fall into the wrong hands. Considering that your influence is in Laodicea, this small safeguard is sufficient. Those in Laodicea are far too lazy to look up who she was and what she did. So how do we deal with those that promote her story? First, say that she lived in the Old Time, and therefore whatever she did doesn't matter now. Teach the importance of the New Time and the New Words. Emphasize that ALL of the Old has passed away because ALL of the New is better. Use these Old words to describe her "As for My people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them." This description is false, but trust me always and trust in the stupidity of these lesser beings. Many will be taught our truth regarding this female. Be patient, pride will come to the males with these Old Words. The males just can't believe a female could rule over them properly. If this doesn't work, teach that the Liar above would never establish doctrine by an exception. Obviously this is flawed logic, but works in a surprisingly large number of students. Also point out to your students that all 12 of the original apostles were male. Since they indeed were, use this to our advantage. Teach by extension, that all future apostles MUST also be male. All elders, all deacons, etc. Males invariably rule. Simplistic, yet effective. All females that might in some way be considered exceptions to this rule must be dismissed out of hand. -your Divine older brother Boltglue
None of them were ministers, and did it not possess any ministerial authority whatsoever. Deborah being a prophetess didn't make her a minister. The only individuals who were both prophets and ministers were all men: Moses, Samuel, Ezekiel, Jesus Christ, and the apostles whose epistles appear in the Bible are examples of this. Judges clearly says the ppl went to Deborah _for judgement_ . That did NOT include preaching to them.
I have researched this throughly. And Paul was definitely not double minded. I would like to counter you with scripture. Is there anyway we can connect. @smartchannel
Priscilla have great Talent of being a Great Actress in Christian Faith based movies that I saw her play in, also she's acting in another Christian faith based movie that's coming out in September 2024. However I DON'T agree with her position of Teaching & Ursurping Authority over Men & the Congregation. The Holy Bible the word of God, is AGAINST Women That Teach & when they 'Ursurping Authority over Men & the Congregation.
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I’m beginning to have issues with professing Christians confusing what Scripture says and stands for/against vs conviction. What is a conviction for one is anti Biblical for others.
Scripture trumps someone’s convictions.
Convictions is also usually conflated with guilt or people pleasing. God's not the author of confusion.
@@acpure349 Amen!
Lecrae interview? He contradicts Christianity, so I'm not surprised by this interview.
I'm not sorry. Women who are preachers believe that God has gotten it wrong. The Lord is righteous in all his ways and faithful in all he does . Or that God evolved with time. God says, "I am the Lord, I change not." Or Paul said it, not God. Stop it, God inspired the Word. That's God's Word! Paul was merely the vessel he used. The Bible is the WORD OF GOD... NOT Paul's, not Moses', not Peter's, not John's, etc.
Women are NOT an afterthought to God. We have important roles within the body, just not as a pastor. Learn to be effective outside of that role (pastor). Teach other women, teach children, pray, share the gospel with individuals... stop being envious of a gift you're not allowed to possess.
Supporting roles are just as important as the forefront roles. Women in these pastoral positions want to be seen and have power. They just want to prove they can be better men than men. Women pastors are just undercover feminists dressed up in a cloak of religious rebellion.
Simply solution. Follow the Word, not the pride of life. Thank you, Corey, for clarity on this issue and the scriptures that biblically support this stance.
Well said sister well said!
But you still have to explain Deborah.
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
@@8784-l3b I would say this have you looked at the scriptures such as 1 Corinthians 14:33-40 Paul states in vs 33 For God is not the God of confusion but of peace. AS IN ALL THE CHURCHES of the Saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission as the Law also says. 35 if there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it shameful for a woman to speak in church. 36 or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the ONLY ones it has reached? 37 if anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, HE should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the LORD.vs 38 if any does not recognize this he is not recognized. If this is what the Lord wrote why do we question? And as studious Christian we should do our due diligence about why Deborah was put there even if God called her to be a judge not a pastor. Two different things
@@Grow2inspire
Part 11
PAUL STATES THAT WOMEN SHOULD BE SILENT
As in all the churches of the saints, the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 14
In this matter Paul speaks of the 'law'. There is a small possibility that he is
referring to a Roman or local law. If not, then Paul is stating that Christian women were
still under the Old Covenant laws.
Yet there was no Old Covenant law that states that women should be silent.
Then the daughters of Zelophehad...came forward. They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying, “Our father died in the wilderness, yet he was not among the group of those who gathered together against the Lord, in the group of Korah; but he died in his own sin, and he had no sons. Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son? Give us property among our father’s brothers.” So Moses brought their case before the Lord. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The daughters of Zelophehad are right about their statements. You shall certainly give them hereditary property among their father’s brothers...
-excerpts Numbers 27
These women were not rebuked, even though they spoke before everyone, including Moses.
What they asked for was granted to them, because God agreed with them.
@@Grow2inspire
you wrote:
...why Deborah was put there even if God called her to be a judge not a pastor. Two different things
The Judge was the primary pastor/shepherd of God's people
at that time period. Full essay read time: 12 minutes
(In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word
shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has
obvious meaning to the average person.)
Major modern English translations like the NASB use
the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people...
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that
was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament
shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way.
“My people have become lost sheep;
Their shepherds have led them astray.
-excerpt Jeremiah 50
For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may
check out Ezekiel 34.
When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period.
But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways.
-excerpt Judges 2
We are allowing the spirit of the age to direct us more than the word of God 😢
The role of a pastor is more than giving the word it’s a protector of a flock like a father in a home when Satan came into the garden and lied to Eve it was Adams job to remind her of the importance of Gods word like a pastor but he fail by trying to please her emotionally then God showed up and he called to the Man “ Where are you.” Men of the THE FAITH WHERE ARE YOU This is an example: of a home invasion- this is what a wife would want her husband to do if their home has an intruder for him to get and guide his family to safety it’s about accepting protection and listening to the teachings the word of God for Sons and Daughters for all can have the knowledge of God…… For man was created first to teach what comes from the Creator as a head of a household or house of God. God gave him a help mate y’all both know how to get there but let him drive. Thank you Corey Great Job ! Satan is back in the garden 😮
Well said
this was a really great explanation and I think if the role of a pastor was taught in this way, the women who think they’re meant to pastor would run. God didn’t call women to be in this kind of a position. It is taxing and it takes an authority that women need for themselves. we cannot protect others from what we are vulnerable to.
Thank you, Brother Corey. Well said well explained 👏
People mistakenly conflate valuing women with allowing us in certain church roles. This is a byproduct of new wave feminism influencing the church. The same language is used outside the church. Based on the word of God, I believe women shouldn't be pastors, but some people think that means I don't value women, which is not true. Duh! “Ain’t I a woman??”😂
Amen
Amen.
@@manestage5403 I don’t know why people have to make this so hard.
Amen sister❤❤❤❤!!!
What scripture says a woman can't be pastors? Specifically no verse says you can't be a pastor. A verse specifically says women can't be bishops.
99% of Church work, for both men and women, ARE NOT Pastoral. Prayer, Evangelism, Choir, Church work days, Sunday School, ....
I thought GOD Maybe HE was **calling me into Full Time Ministry in my teens in mid 1970s, but felt intimidated by secular family, and strife's within IBC circles . Jack Van Impe, Jack Hyles , Hal Lindsey were challenging role models , BUT they were human, make mistakes, and received criticism from the brethren, some of it well deserved (Criticism and Rebuke is that ALL believers Must experience)
I believe the Scriptures are clear that Pastoral Leadership is for Males only, but I doubt whether most males are truly called being the mass confusion in these latter days.
Because of Failures in my life, I feel very **disqualified to hold any pastoral leadership, but I'm content to Praying for others, and tract distribution. Left a few tracts in Kroger carts ( outside parking lot ) about an hour ago.
I dare to say that many women who seek pastoral roles are done out of ego.
@@longstreet2740 And it's so wrong. It's due to society not putting enough values on women's roles and it not being instilled in their upbringing. Sometimes when something is instilled even when pressures makes you succumb you just won't ever feel comfortable enough to remain and you tend to yield to proper counsel regarding the issue. I know economy makes it hard to live on 1 salary so women also feel the need to compete for the more lucrative roles. God's instituted roles are always the best. So many morally unprofitable changes come with going outside your role... Just look at the gend-r confusions.
Priscilla Shirer is not a pastor and she makes that clear. She is a teacher. If it is preaching, that is fine.
She never exercises authority over men.
@@charleneb.6583 agree!
The scripture literally says I suffer not a woman to TEACH or usurp authority over a man so this comment doesnt change anything to support that view
@@Ark-777Women can teach! Her ministry is teaching women!
Titus 2:3-5
New International Version
3 Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. 4 Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.
AGAIN…She is not taking authority over men!
They will never tell you but Priscilla and so many know there is so much money and a niche market in WOMEN and church. They tour around the world as " teachers, " but really this is a career. Just look at Sarah Jakes and etc. You don't have to be biblical just look cute and preach to itching ears.
A pastor stands at the pulpit and preaches the bible to the congregation of men and women on Saturday/Sunday services.
If Priscilla teaches exclusively at women's events, separate from sunday sermons, she is not a pastor.
If she teaches men in the educational setup of a seminary, she is not a pastor.
I only ever see women getting pressured to expand their ministry to include men, as if what they're already doing is lesser than or not enough. I resent the implication because the women's ministry is a massive undertaking. It's my opinion that there is a dearth of biblical literacy within the women's ministries across the nation that affect the entire Christian family. Why? The hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world. It's typically mothers who transmit cultural values to our young children which serve as the basis for civilization.
It's very important that the older Christian women who are mature in the faith use their gifts to teach younger women. There are some areas that only a woman can teach as it's inappropriate for a man to do so. I would consider it a high honor if I got to teach women when I get to be an older, mature Christian. If all of us Christian women did so, we wouldn't have time to worry about taking over leadership from the elders.
I'm not being combative nor arguing Scripture. Still and all, I'm still seeking God for the application of this very polarizing topic. However, I had no solid men in my community who I could look up to for spiritual growth. I had a great pastor, but he could not teach me in fullness as I was growing in Christ. He wasn't common to me, so contact was limited. I did learn from female ministers and the few male ministers alongside my bishop. It definitely took a team to help mature me in Christ.
@@d_roi8689 Please take this up with God..keep talking to Him about it. It's so difficult to get good advice from even ministry leaders these days. You can ask someone you respect but still no guarantee you're getting proper advice. I was used by a Pastor in my family to lend support to a cause. Soon as that was accomplished they came forward with a major telling on what they really believed ... I would have been willing to bet my life they weren't that way prior to them telling me. Until this day I'm shocked. This person covered it so well they even spoke against others in public 😔 I took it to God. But, just imagine how much damage this person has already done! I was also told that there were many who believed like my disappointing relative. Don't be too trusting. Also, pray for justice for the people who has been harmed when you discover these things. Just do an intercessory prayer asking for divine intervention, justice and restoration for the victims .... it's very important and a part of ministry that is done in private humbly and God Himself rewards you. Interceding in private is great ministry every BELIEVER CAN & should do if so lead .... accompany it with Thanksgiving. Pastor Rufus of Faith Generations here on YT is a great intercessor!! God is faithful 💯💯💯💯 Sometimes He answers these prayers even before your own 🙏
Genesis is the first book of our Bible.God gave 'specific instructions" to man and woman.The Apostle Paul reminds us in the 'New Testament in 1 Cor. and 1 Tim and others..Let's practice doing God's work God's way! Blessings
Every'church" should have a men's and women's Bible study to instill 'biblical standards and biblical growth! Blessings
The Bible is not about our feelings,but about the word of God! Feminism teaches an anti- man perspective in today's culture.If God said it,that's it. Forget popularity,prestige and positions.What are you willing "give to save souls? John the Baptist said,'I must decrease so He can increase'! Blessings
I've been posting this issue about woman pastors for three days now on my Instagram and my follower brethren and sisters come up with the wildest excuses but never pick up the scriptures but if they do then they point back to the prophetess in the Old Testament...
Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman
can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really.
I suggest my short and free scripturally-based essay on Deborah.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed.
A Judge was REQUIRED in scripture to judge only the hardest of cases.
Refusal to accept a Judge's verdict on any matter,
resulted in execution, according to Deuteronomy.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
Full read time: 12 minutes postable here
A prophetess is not a preacher.
@@donnalitajones5389 exactly.
@@donnalitajones5389 A prophetess is not of this day, at all. The Bible mentions 7 women who were "prophets." A women nor a man can not claim this.
The Phophetest Debroha is a bad example. 1. Her role was for the NATION of Israel. The nation of Israel isn't the church. Paul was giving Titus and Timothy instructions for the Church, not Israel. 2. Even Debroah understood that her going with Barak into battle would dimenish Barak victory over the Canaanites. In Judges 4:9 She said I will go with you,...but the honor will not be yours, for the LORD will hand Sisera over to a woman. 3 Prophets and Prophetess didn't deal with the religious ordinances of the temple and the Law. The Levites/Priests and scribes (all men) served in that role. 4. Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Paul talks about the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ being available to all. He's not talking about serving in ministry. You can only justify women pastors/preachers by ignoring clear scripture and interjecting how you feel about it.
Lecrae denied his Christianity during an interview years ago. He was asked if he was a Christian rapper and he said no, he is a rapper for "all".
Nuff said. Birds of a feather. They serve their own gods. The gods that allow them to deny and disobey.
I think you've misunderstood what Lecrae had said. Even though I'm too familiar with him, what he meant was that he doesn't rap specifically for Christians only, but for everybody who's listening to his music. That doesn't mean he denied his Christianity.
This is out of context. Yes, Paul is addressing Greeks and to specific churches. The letter to the Corinthians, he says let "your" women keep silence. He also tells men who speak in tongues needs to be confirmed by 2 or more. He adds that men should be more concerned with prophesy. Yes it's instruction to the Greek "culture" who are now a part of the body of Christ. He concludes that all things be done decently and in order. That sounds like he's trying to bring order to chaos.
Titus 2: 1 thru 5
Women can be teachers of good things
Admonishing .. women .. (gòdly behaviors)
1 tim 2:9 thru 15
women do not teach men in public worship
Well said, Cory does not understand that.
Is it my opinion that while smart christian channel is good and have been correct according to scriptures on most things..he gets this wrong as well as head coverings.A result of westernizing christianity and claiming a Jewish born belief preached to gentlies as a western belief.@denisemaxwell51
Why most people can't take the Word of God as it is written and stopped trying to add and subtract from it which is very dangerous 😢😢😢
I think it may be useful to minister about men leading the church. There is a lot of pointing to the scriptures about women leading in the church but men aren't even in the church. Teach men to be better leaders and spend less time arguing doctrine online with each other but maturing and loving like Christ did - having focus on the fruit of the spirit. It's always women doing all the work in the community while men are whining. The theory is if men are so good at leadership, women would follow
❤❤❤ This. It's more women who are asking to be fed the word of God than men. So the men need to be ministered to stand up and make sure their pants aren't sagging when they do because then they still aren't ready
Thank you for this Brother Corey! 🙌🏼🙏🏼 Also, where can I buy that sweater you’re wearing? 😅
Corey please breakdown Titus 2 . I seen a comment here taking those scriptures out of context . Maybe broken down with the Greek translation could help clarify those things. Thank you man of God
Follow scripture period!
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Most definitely ❤same to you
Women are not permitted to preach in the church. That is biblical, period. We didn't write the book. Speak to the Holy Spirit, if you don't agree with what the bible says about the subject.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed.
A Judge was REQUIRED in scripture to judge only the hardest of cases.
Refusal to accept a Judge's verdict on any matter,
resulted in execution, according to Deuteronomy.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
If your beliefs can't explain all this, they must be false.
1. At the time Corinthians was written, Hebrews were NOT permitted to worship AT ALL in the open. Open worship was not okayed in society until Constantine declared Hebrews could. That said, YES, they were speaking of the gathering of the church.
2. At least 5 scriptures PRIOR to Paul instructing women to keep silent, 1 Cor. 14:26-33 LITERALLY described a chaotic scene in the church with MEN overtalking, over preaching, over prophesying, and over psalming each other. Men were behaving in a DISORDERLY manner, and in that scene they, too, were instructed to KEEP SILENT in vs 28. Once he corrected the men who were doing this, he moved on to the women who were doing the same and gave them the same instructions.
3. If you use the example of the woman at the well who came to the UNSAVED and preached the gospel, tell me what the difference was with the 2 Marys who came to the DISCIPLES and told the MEN IN AUTHORITY that Christ had risen and to come see????
4. You skipped over the word Prophesying... as if PROPHETS didn't have authority over the people to provide instructions STRAIGHT from God. You skipped over Deborah, a PROPHET and JUDGE. A woman who both MEN and WOMEN sought out to PRESIDE over matters of the church. She also accompanied Barak IN BATTLE, as the Military Strategist, someone who gives instructions as to the best tactic of attack. As I hate to be the Bearer of bad news, that army was comprised of MEN.
5. It clearly says that a woman is permitted to PROPHESY... yet men would be in an uproar if her Prophetic calling was like Jeremiah or Isaiah.... or even Joseph. Did these men NOT speak to men? Did they not INSTRUCT men???? Is this not a position of "authority"?
6. It is clear that people are REFUSING to actually read the Word of God in its ENTIRETY and instead are relying on Googled answers. It is utter ridiculousness and Heresy to make the uninformed statement that women have not been anointed by God to have authority over men, when Esther 9:29 says that she and her uncle Mordechai were given ALL AUTHORITY over the JEWS. Before that, she INSTRUCTED all of the JEWS, men and women both to fast before she came unsummoned before the King, which she KNEW could result in death. She knowingly went in sacrificing her own life to save the Kingdom. She was appointed by God in an authoritative position, and NOT just over women.
There are COUNTLESS examples of women with authority presiding over men. To use 1 or 2 scriptures to justify a stance when the ENTIRE Bible is at your discretion is bound to be taken WAY out of context. To say women cannot teach or preach in large congregations where men are in the pews is saying the Word of God contradicts itself.
Well put. But the stubborn will still not listen.
@ChecXYkitout I'm glad you received what was typed! Not all were meant to accept or even hear the truth. Most people don't truly know God outside of being a Lawmaker and Judge which is why they filter the entire Bible through that lense. God NEVER puts an ordinance in place for vanity's sake. Bishops are the ONLY gender-specified position within the church, and that is because of how the Roman Government was run. Bishops were responsible for representing the church within the senate. They were to study both the Law of the Land, and the Law of God and go before the lawmakers on behalf of the church because the Romans and Greeks separated Church and State, just like we do here in America. Women weren't permitted in those times to be that representation under Roman rulership. Also, the representative had to be a man of moral character with children who were not lawless, much like lawyers and judges today in America. Not all Bishops are PASTORS. People are confusing the two. The role of Bishop is NOT a part of the 5 offices of ministry. The office of Pastor is not gender-specific, otherwise Paul wouldn't have appointed the 2 twin sisters in the New Testament to be Pastors over an entire church! Nor would he have regarded Priscilla, who literally instructed Him and Apollos AFTER Paul had already been converted. I don't speak so that all may hear the voice of the Lord and consider His ways over their own, I only speak with the expectancy that the Voice of the Lord will be heard by His sheep. Aside from that? I absolutely expect those who are not a part of the fold to follow a stranger's voice.
Love this!❤
Thank you ma'am !!!
If you gotta wade through egalitarianism instead of scripture to argue the roles- that should tell you what has been said and who we should listen to… God’s word. Nothing to do with values or worth of your gender; rather, the roles and responsibilities that are given to each- and both don’t always live up to them, or are qualified … but that doesn’t excuse confusing the roles or doing what we are not given the role to do- and it’s clear what is and isn’t.
Especially when the reasons given are brought all the way back to genesis as to why it is meant to be specific roles… and we are living in the result.. and consequences…of not following and sticking to the roles and responsibilities given.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28, And I do not permit a wife to teach or to have authority over a husband, but to be in silence. The husband is the head of the wife, but Christ is head of the church. Ephesians 5:23. Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; Philippians 2:12.
These days, in many churches, you’ll see women getting up to sing solo or lead the praise and worship team. They’re not just singing; they’re giving praise, encouragement, and often teaching through songs filled with scripture. But no one seems to notice that they’re essentially ministering and teaching to everyone, including men. It’s something that used to be called music ministry, and women were known as music ministers doing God’s work.
I was taught that back in Paul's time, women preaching or teaching over men in church was discouraged because, in the gentile nations Paul visited, women in pagan temples often behaved in ways that were considered seductive and inappropriate. When these women converted to Christianity, they were asked to refrain from certain behaviors to maintain the sanctity of the worship service and avoid tempting the men in the congregation.
Fast forward to today, and we’re seeing a similar issue. Some women in church dress in tight, revealing clothes, just like Jaunita Bynum mentioned. When they lead worship or preach like that, it can be distracting and even tempting for the men, including pastors. Now, instead of ministering, it feels more like performing, which is no different from the world outside the church.
So, in reality, women are still teaching and preaching over men in a music ministry position when they sing to the entire congregation.
you wrote:
I was taught that back in Paul's time, women preaching or teaching over men in church was discouraged because, in the gentile nations Paul visited, women in pagan temples often behaved in ways that were considered seductive and inappropriate.
I believe that is incorrect. Paul had some serious false teachings.
I've covered some in an informal essay. There is one perfect teacher,
Jesus.
God, and therefore Jesus, had nothing negative to state against
Deborah, a Judge over Israel. In contrast to other Judges.
A Judge could execute. A Judge could teach from scripture.
I know the story of Deborah well. One would have to explain how God
would have no problem with a woman being a pastor/shepherd in the
Old Covenant, yet be totally against that in the New. There is no real
explanation...except Paul. A man very much of his time.
@@8784-l3b You still can't ignore the historical facts that is what women did during those times in those pagan nations and that's what their doing today! Have a blessed day!
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That is irrelevant to what I'm trying to say. That is a separate subject.
@@8784-l3b I never said that women have no role in the church. If you read the scriptures, you know better. You're trying to compare Jewish culture and their worship practices with those of the gentiles, which were quite different. There was no need for Peter or the other apostles to address issues like women preaching or homosexuality to the Jews because they already knew God's expectations. However, Paul addressed these matters with the gentiles because they had different beliefs and practices.
Regarding Paul being a false teacher, there are no historical records from early church fathers in the 1st century and later that object to his teachings. Early church fathers like Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp, and Irenaeus addressed false teachings but did not criticize Paul. Even from the 1st century to the 3rd century, their view concerning Paul's teachings hadn't changed. Many letters from early church fathers debated various topics, such as worship days and tithing, but none questioned Paul's teachings.
I’d like to encourage you to read "Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs: A Reference Guide to More Than 700 Topics Discussed by the Early Church Fathers" by David W. Bercot, which includes 1st to 3rd century early church writings to further your research. The writer discourages reading anything later due to spurious writings in those later centuries.
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I've written 2 informal essays. One on Deborah and another
on some of Paul's teachings. Without being nasty, you do
lack knowledge, but that can change. Let me know if you want
more information on both or one. I use scripture a great deal,
and much less of my opinions.
I don’t know. Maybe if people looked at these “offices” they have now entitled leadership positions as ministry GIFTS left behind at Christ’s ascension, and weren’t so obsessed with having titles, it would be easier to accept what is written without trying to justify why you want it to say something else. The fact the people also use “leaders” interchangeably with the word the Bible uses “elders,” does not help at all. Don’t see how people don’t understand that an elder has one wife. It necessarily follows that an elder is a man. It’s not hard….
Written by Paul. A man that couldn't qualify to be an elder, so he
gave himself the title of 'father'. A title that was forbidden by Jesus.
Be careful of the teachings of Paul.
@@8784-l3b Be careful of acting like all Scripture is not inspired- God breathed- by Holy Spirit. The fact you even said this says way more than I need to know. Don’t know why it’s so difficult for people to understand order. Nothing is new since the Garden I see.
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A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
If your beliefs can't explain all this, they must be false.
I suggest my free informal essay on Deborah. This is
where you start. Read time: 12 minutes postable
@@8784-l3b I'm going to say it. What you said is straight demonic. You're speaking on Paul 2000 years after the fact. You don't know him nor met him. Those who walked with Jesus and knew Paul never spoke against his teaching. They affirmed his teaching as scripture and his ministry. You see Peter affirms Paul and his teachings in verse 15 and Peter affirms you in verse 16.
2 Peter 3:14-16 NASB
[14] Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,
[15] and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
[16] as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
According to Luke the Physician and historians Account
Act 9:10-18 Ananias affirms Jesus' call on Paul's life
Act 9:27 Barnabas affirmed him
the apostles and the elders in Jerusalem
Act 15:2...the brethren determined that Paul and Barnabas and some others of them should go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders concerning this issue.
Act 15:4 When they arrived at Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they reported all that God had done with them.
Even the Demons affirmed Paul
Act_19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said to them, "I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?"
If what Paul wrote is suspect then all the Bible is suspect because Jesus chose him. Nice try Satan
Thanks for this. Genuine question, should women cover the heads in church as well?
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...because the hair instead of a covering hath been given to her...
In your own selves judge ye; is it seemly for a woman uncovered to pray to God? doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man indeed have long hair, a dishonour it is to him? and a woman, if she have long hair, a glory it is to her, because the hair instead of a covering hath been given to her;...
-Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
For her hair is given to her as a covering.
Does even nature itself not teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her as a covering.
-NASB
A woman's long hair is the 'covering'.
If a fabric covering is actually required,
then all references to hair are
totally irrelevant to the subject.
It only can make sense if the
long hair of a woman is the 'covering'.
She should be covered, with her long hair.
To have short hair, like a man, means that
she is basically bald. Therefore uncovered.
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If a woman needs to touch and pick up something physical, before
acceptable communication with deity can happen, that would make
the fabric covering a talisman. Though the woman would not believe
she is using a talisman.
talisman (basic definition)- a piece of clothing (or other physical object) that is
believed to have spiritual (or magical) properties. The object will align
with your intention for its use. Every time a woman looks at a fabric head
covering, her mind will recall the original intention of its use,
until wearing it becomes a necessary ritual.
I’m an ordained minister. I facilitate a bible group of about 20 people 2 young men attend , (They are not saved) and my nephew may pop in sometimes. I do not try to Lord over men. However, if they want to sit in on prayer or bible study , I refuse to hinder them. I am not their pastor.
Women can be whatever God has called them to be.
Except what He forbade in His word, and if one thinks they are called by God to do something He said no to, then it's not God telling you it's ok.
The word of God never returns to him void.
God is not going to go up against His word period!
Now he is. somebody that has knowledge of God's. word. That is a true statement.
God does not speak.
It does not matter what anyone say "man" or woman biblical God has "never" called woman to preach or teach his word in a congregational setting period. Let God be true and every man and woman a liar, that will try to transgress the "Gospel"!
Woman can prophesy 1st Corothians 11: 5-6
@karlinwilliamson9329 With all do respect brother that lie that prophecy by a woman is preaching is "false" 1Tim 2 vers 11-14 & 1Cor 14 31-end be lead by the Spirit, search the scriptures for in them you "think" you have Eternal life, but the scriptures testify of HIM Christ!
@@perrydavis2765 that's scripture. I didnt say preaching. Prophesy is forth telling the Word and forelling the word. So you don't belive in Corithians chapter 11😂
@karlinwilliamson9329 Yes, but his commtary was on can a woman preach or teach men and women in a congregational setting, so l'm ask you where does the Holy scriptures allow a woman to preach, l'm open to be corrected by Holy scriptures thank you.
@@perrydavis2765 did u even read my post. He was talking about roles and I sent a woman's role. Read his heading
amen.
Well said through the Holy spirit
She’s manipulating God’s word to satisfy her own desires. God’s covering over woman is for protection and for her to show obedience to her husband.
People who believe that Paul was confused or something when he wrote "I, not the Lord" have missed Acts 16:3. The writer makes it clear that Paul circumcised Timothy because of the influences of the Philippian culture. And yet, Paul openly rebukes the Galatians for commanding circumcision. When he says HE is speaking about no women preachers and NOT God, HE'S SPEAKING THE TRUTH! Why are we trying to make it seem like he was confused when he was writing under the influence of the Holy Spirit?!?!
If the world is agreeing with you and encouraging you as a Christian to do a particular thing with almost no backlash then it’s probably not the right thing to do. The Bible is clear on the issue and it’s really not up for debate in terms of whether women should be pastors or have authority over men. That is not to say that women can never witness to a man or never give her testimony, or never answer a question if a man asks her. It is to say that women make every effort to build up other women and to lead men to other men that can help them with spiritual matters.
The first gospel message ever spoken was by a woman
The question I have about the command "Women shall not have authority over men" is : Is this command only for church? Or does it also apply to the world? For example can women be job supervisors, police officers, Judges, CEO'S, President of a country etc?
... I commanded judges to be over my people Israel.
Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel.
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV
-God speaking to Nathan the prophet
Deborah was a Judge. Judges 4 and 5. God ruled Israel through Deborah,
since she was a Judge.
Brother Corey, I think many Christian leaders are Egalitarian but use reasons like "covering" , the woman at the well and so on to justify female elders. There is a video by Pastor John Piper on the Desiring God website on why women can't preach/be elders, even if the other elders of the church affirm it. Dr. Piper holds the same views as you do. I think to understand Egalitarians, you need to identify their best scholars and have a respectful debate with them.
you cant say this is cultural but woman speaking in church is not cultural, so if woman are required not to preach in church then they must be required to cover there heads when they pray, they also can not braid there hair! You like to pick and choose scriptures
“Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the LORD: he shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried. All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk. All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth himself unto the LORD, he shall be holy, and shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow. All the days that he separateth himself unto the LORD he shall come at no dead body. He shall not make himself unclean for his father, or for his mother, for his brother, or for his sister, when they die: because the consecration of his God is upon his head. All the days of his separation he is holy unto the LORD. And if any man die very suddenly by him, and he hath defiled the head of his consecration; then he shall shave his head in the day of his cleansing, on the seventh day shall he shave it. And on the eighth day he shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons, to the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: and the priest shall offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering, and make an atonement for him, for that he sinned by the dead, and shall hallow his head that same day. And he shall consecrate unto the LORD the days of his separation, and shall bring a lamb of the first year for a trespass offering: but the days that were before shall be lost, because his separation was defiled. And this is the law of the Nazarite, when the days of his separation are fulfilled: he shall be brought unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: and he shall offer his offering unto the LORD, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings, and a basket of unleavened bread, cakes of fine flour mingled with oil, and wafers of unleavened bread anointed with oil, and their meat offering, and their drink offerings. And the priest shall bring them before the LORD, and shall offer his sin offering, and his burnt offering: and he shall offer the ram for a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD, with the basket of unleavened bread: the priest shall offer also his meat offering, and his drink offering. And the Nazarite shall shave the head of his separation at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall take the hair of the head of his separation, and put it in the fire which is under the sacrifice of the peace offerings. And the priest shall take the sodden shoulder of the ram, and one unleavened cake out of the basket, and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them upon the hands of the Nazarite, after the hair of his separation is shaven: and the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD: this is holy for the priest, with the wave breast and heave shoulder: and after that the Nazarite may drink wine. This is the law of the Nazarite who hath vowed, and of his offering unto the LORD for his separation, beside that his hand shall get: according to the vow which he vowed, so he must do after the law of his separation. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them, The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.”
Numbers 6:2-27 KJV
“Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way: that the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.”
John 18:7-9 KJV
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏾🙌🏽😇
Sometimes when Priscilla have an event in which she preaches or teaches to a group of women, those women's husband would Sometimes tag alone with the wives to hear Priscilla teach. Is Priscilla doing any wrong or sinful in this case?
I AM SO GRATEFUL HE GAVE US WIVES COREY MINOR BUT PAUL DID NOT WANT ONE LOL
Yes some Baptist churches allow women to speak once a year on womens day.
The Spirit of God has the right of way...(PERIOD) and HE doesn't go against HIS word (that he inspired) so why are "Christians "still looking at the flesh and not listening for the Spirit of TRUTH.? Not sure why it's so important for you to pick what she is saying apart? She is a Womans minister. Stop picking the church apart Corey!!! btw, She's loaded with the text and she's not bringing up a name to justify her choice( or brag to qualify herself) like some do, but to answer a relevant question she was asked... Who does that? oh, YOU DO, my bad. Stop it, you are reaching...
A woman should tend to the Children... You can't compare the woman at the well telling people that she just met the SonOfMan with Feeding the Flock, Wisdom... Come on Corey, you know better than that... God Bless You in Jesus Mighty Name!!! Amen!!!
JesusChrist Has Risen in the Flesh!!! ❤
GRACE and Mercy be with you ALL from the Mighty God, Everlasting FATHER of Abraham and My LORD and Savior Jesus Christ who Delivered me from a SNARE of the Fowler!!! Amen!!!
❤ the WORD of God!!! ❤
Fyi:
I had a dream that we met at a diner... You didn't look as cute as you do on RUclips... 😂😂😂 NO Diddy!!! But it was a joyful moment tho, and Peace was the order of the Day... 🙏🏼
Women should be comforting the widows and teaching the children while men handle the adult church audience
Amen Corey that's exactly right and I'm so tired of Men and Women want all these titles that God didn't gifted them with, it's so many so called apostles and so called prophetess and they really started coming out of the wood works when Covic hit in 2020 every body everything except for a servant of Lord Jesus Christ I guess that will be to much like right 😊❤😊and further more if a person are person have theses gifts they don't have to tell know one because the Light inside of a person will definitely shine on the outside and people will know you by the fruit of your spirit and I don't go around claiming gifts but I know I'm a Woman of God and I don't need no male or female to tell me so and All Glory Be to God He uses when He wants to,how He wants to and where He wants to it's All about God, not man, not one person died for me but Lord Jesus Christ Amen Hallelujah glory hallelujah Amen ❤❤❤
I do have a question my wife and I have been studying this topic and the question that’s been guiding our study from 1 Timothy is what is Paul’s definition of the word “ teach” and is it different than “preaching” that we see in the church? Also, how would Timothy have understood the word teach, as he is the receiver of the teaching?
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You need to know 2 things.
#1) Understand Deborah and what a Judge was (I have a short free postable essay.)
#2) Understand and know, that Paul wasn't a perfect teacher.
(That is another free essay.)
Commentary with scripture, with limited opinions.
So what would you tell you daughter if she was in the same situation....ie. If a man of God that you respect asked her to minister at his church and her husband had agreed but she felt she also needed your consent (as a form of spiritual covering)?...are you saying you'd advise her to ask God instead, cause if that's the case then most women preachers will tell you they doing that?
@SmartChristianChannel
Brother Cory
I am conflicted when it comes to the matter of women preaching. I know that Bible clearly states what the qualifications of a pastor/Bishop is: the HUSBAND of one wife.
My conflict comes to preaching/evangelizing. Would not Acts 1:8 fall under preaching/evangelizing? Was the instructions only given to male disciples? Please help. Thank you in advance.
Joe Rivera
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I post on these matters everyday, should you wish a discussion.
Biblical truth and I thank you for standing on it🤍🙏🏼!!
I've come to the conclusion that if a church is being run as a business then it really doesn't matter. The church just seems to want someone to teach the folks that are in need of itching ears. That's my take. Do I think it's still right that these women have taken over? Nope. But if no man is stepping up to do the jobs then they feel it's their duty to fill in. But then again most church buildings are a business.
Hi I have a question for you, so it says that Paul says this can you help me better understand this Paul with all respect He said that he suffer not a woman He didn't say God and also he also mentioned that if a man head is shaved off that is what You know what that he said about that right That's the questions for you please answer with all the respect and I'm asking this with respect Thank you so much GOD Bless You😊❤ these questions are with love just wanted to add that Thank you again😊
I doubt you'll get an answer from him. That's a solid question because the "smart Christian's" head is shaved.
That’s why I wanted to ask you can Someone be called Rabbi like your last interview with a so called Rabbi? Didn’t Jesus say the opposite
I would love to tell you my story, I think we need to hear from those walking in Christ
It's interesting to see so many people acting as if the Holy Spirit picked up a quill and wrote the Bible. The truth is, it was written by human beings. It's a great source of inspiration, morality, values, and spiritual blueprint. But it also needs to be acknowledged that it was written by men. Timothy, Paul, Luke, John, etc. were all human beings. And human beings are interpreting things that were written in a context of a very different time -- not to mention in a different langauge so are trying to interpret a translation -- all these thousands of years later.
What I know is God needs no help. If He gets annoyed, irritated, etc. He can do what he's done and take life, smite, etc. God's got it. If He really has a big issue with women preaching He can, and will, silence and punish them, and that will be the lesson and example to others.
Gaslighting with the word "value" so if you do not believe a woman should preach then you are saying she has no value.
Who said anything about value? Is that what the scripture says? Or does God’s word and the use of what happened in genesis have no value?
Hey Corey. Allen Parr dropped a video about some Christians wanting to boycott the Olympics because of the opening ceremony of a golden calf. Some say they not going to watch but Allen Parr said he will continue to watch it because the open ceremony does not dictate to all the athletes faith. I just want to know your intake on the matter. Thank you!
@@QuietGirl2006 I agree with Allen.
Can't watch this whole thing Corey but thumbs up given tho. I can only watch two people feeding into to stupidity for so long. I'm out
Jesus is the only way the truth and the life, He is coming back be ready
Thank you for this clarification.
It's not accurate, Google phoebe in the Bible, Paul commended her. Same Paul that said he doesn't allow women to speak.
Something is not adding up
What does the Bible say about women in church?
His key words at the beginning, what 'you' want to do. Then there is God's will be done. Our thinking, our reasoning, our tendency to dream will NEVER trump what God has ordained. You can believe about your perceived wish or desire or understanding all you like. God did not give women 'ministry' as in preach the gospel... That is all... 🤦
7:37 you're assuming that she called herself based on emotions.
18:01 that scripture says "I do not allow women to speak" the next question will be why does paul say that?
And the answer was given in genesis
@@jeffellenberger3963 that's not the answer, that's shows authority.
A woman teaching you, doesn't mean she has authority over you because we all are stewards spreading the gospel of Jesus.
So please try again
@@teoesak I don’t need to “try” anything- it’s reading the scripture.
@@jeffellenberger3963 then use scripture?? And make it clearly stated not implied
@@teoesak
This was all settled at about 1100 B.C. with Deborah.
Either Paul didn't know about her or didn't care about her.
A Judge could judge anything. Including homicide cases.
A Judge could teach from the Law.
Teach the younger women
Bishop is basically lead pastor.
Is Co-pastors biblical?
Doesn't the Bible just say "helpers"
Are they're not "female helpers"
I believe what Paul is pointing out in 1 Corinthians 11 concerning the covering of a woman's head: back in Exodus when Moses descends from Mount Sinai he is seen with the radiance of God on him; so much that he lived out the remainder of his life with his face covered and only removed his covering when he spoke to the Israelites. In the same ways when a man speaks in the pulpit, he stands in the stead of Christ and should be uncovered however with a woman a covering is necessary possibly of what Paul implies concerning angels. A woman's covering protects her glory from the "Sons of God" (fallen angels). It was the angels spoken of in Genesis 6 who made women more knowledgeable about the beauty they possess and the power of influence that comes with it. So I don't think it's that she cannot prophecy rather her face should be covered to refrain from her face being a distraction to the message of God. This is an impossible feat in today's society because of vanity. Ask yourself how many women would agree to preach with her face hidden as was customary for women in those times. She would want to be seen. In fact the movement surrounding women preachers in churches proves the issue of them being seen and respected; which points to why this passage from Paul was worded in such a way.
...because the hair instead of a covering hath been given to her...
In your own selves judge ye; is it seemly for a woman uncovered to pray to God? doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man indeed have long hair, a dishonour it is to him? and a woman, if she have long hair, a glory it is to her, because the hair instead of a covering hath been given to her;...
-Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
For her hair is given to her as a covering.
Does even nature itself not teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her as a covering.
-NASB
A woman's long hair is the 'covering'.
If a fabric covering is actually required,
then all references to hair are
totally irrelevant to the subject.
It only can make sense if the
long hair of a woman is the 'covering'.
She should be covered, with her long hair.
To have short hair, like a man, means that
she is basically bald. Therefore uncovered.
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If a woman needs to touch and pick up something physical, before
acceptable communication with deity can happen, that would make
the fabric covering a talisman. Though the woman would not believe
she is using a talisman.
talisman (basic definition)- a piece of clothing (or other physical object) that is
believed to have spiritual (or magical) properties. The object will align
with your intention for its use. Every time a woman looks at a fabric head
covering, her mind will recall the original intention of its use,
until wearing it becomes a necessary ritual.
@@8784-l3b if I'm understanding correctly your saying the scripture is implying hair to be the covering verses and actual covering; then your not applying historical/cultural context to what the speaker is saying. 1 Corinth 11: 6 tells us that if she does not have a covering over her it would be better that her hair be short or bald. Verse 10 say she should have a "symbol of authority" over her hair. There is a clear implication of a fabric of some sort.
Now historically it is known that in the age even to the present, for those who still hold to tradition, single women should have both their head and face covered(which is what the passage is actually describing to the readers); while married women and widows should still have their heads covered however their faces are allowed to be shown if permitted by their husband. The reason is because any showing of a woman's flesh is meant for her husband only. It would not be considered a tallisman of use for a woman to assume a role of leadership or prayer rather a cultural sign of respect; like a man removing his hat when he walks in a room. Also, factually women in Asia Minor who hold to tradition today still practice head covering when they pray to God whether at home or in the temple.
I believe you misunderstood the implied connection I was making in my response. My comment was to point out the significance of the covering and why Paul imposed a woman should have her face covered if perhaps she is allowed to speak at church. Her covering shows respect to tradition 1st and 2nd a woman's head is synonymous with her beauty. Without covering, her face and beauty become the center of attention rather than the message of God being presented to the people. Men are visual creators while women tend to be more material. If she's serving God in the church she should be willing to do so with her face covered; both as an example to the young women and to take the focus off of herself.
@@scooder2215
PREFACE
I have no intention of explaining how the email which I
now offer to the web was downloaded to my drive.
Readers are advised to remember that demons are liars. Not everything that
Boltglue says should be assumed to be true, even from his own perspective.
-S. Szpak
Email #8
Nightowl, my dear brother
We are the real priests. We serve the authentic Great King.
Teach well. Teach the truth. In teaching there is victory.
Make sure their so-called "royal priesthood" is understood to
be a two-tiered priesthood based on birthright. The males in
the higher tier and females in the lower. Leadership must always
be male in this two-tiered priesthood. Then use double talk to
convince the females they aren't regarded as lesser than males.
Even though the females have no say about anything. In fact, do
everything you can to literally stop them from speaking in gatherings,
even the smallest ones. Don't let them speak up against any evil.
Tell them it isn't their place, since the Liar put them in the lower tier.
If something was said in an assembly a female knew was blatant error,
be sure she is taught that some male will address the matter in due time.
I can't stress this strongly enough. Don't let them speak! No praying,
no praising, no singing, no reading of the Old Words, no reading of the New
Words. Don't let them even speak "Glad you all came." or "Good morning."
This is how to separate the females. They can be seen but
not heard. A few will commit suicide. That's always fun to watch
if you have the time. But don't waste time looking for such an
amusement, there is much work to be done.
After women that follow the Liar are totally silenced,
we must make them invisible as well.
As one of their better animal teachers, Clem, put it in his aptly
titled work 'The Instructor':
...but because it has also been enjoined that
the head should be veiled and the face covered;
for it is a wicked thing for beauty to be a snare to men.
Nor is it seemly for a woman to wish to make herself
conspicuous, by using a purple veil. Would it
were possible to abolish purple in dress, so
as not to turn the eyes of spectators on the face
of those that wear it! But the women, in the
manufacture of all the rest of their dress,
have made everything of purple, thus inflaming the lusts.
And more:
But by no manner of means are women to be
allotted to uncover and exhibit any part of their
person, lest both fall,-the men by being excited to look,
they by drawing on themselves the eyes of the men.
Clem was SO good! Too bad he's gone. But encourage others
to follow his words. Let the females be ashamed of their beauty.
Let them hate it as if it was a deformity. Make sure THEY ARE
RESPONSIBLE for not tempting a male. If these New Words come
up, crush them immediately:
To the pure, all things are pure. But to those who are defiled
and unbelieving, nothing is pure. Even their minds and
consciences are defiled.
Silence, then invisibility, then the question: "Why do I exist?"
Let her be given this answer: "There is no reason."
Eventually she will stand before a mirror and see nothing.
Eventually she will hang herself and be nothing. Excellent!
-your Sacred older brother Boltglue
But after all of Paul’s words he then said BUT if any man be CONTENTIOUS then we have NO Such CUSTOM. A lot of old folks in my church just glazed right over the word contentious because they didn’t know the meaning and didn’t bother to look it up they didn’t understand. That is a conditional statement so after all is said we don’t have to stick to a custom if it is disagreeable or contentious. ( causing a problem)
@@SymoneWebb-pu7cl yes and no. I agree with the not necessarily having to keep the custom of having women to cover themselves however this was again done in respect and symbolic of 1. The nature and maturity of understanding the biblical hierarchy and 2. Keeping the direction of the message centered on Christ and less on the person delivering it.
It may be small however the impact of something so simple as a face covering has caused a commotion amongst women because the desire is for them to be seen. The argument in today's churches revolves around women not just speaking in pulpits but being seen and acknowledged as a representative of God in the same respective areas as men pastors. But in that she(we) are missing the point... If our conversation is centered around representation then the focus is not Christ centered and the message is obscure at best. Thus the purpose of his statement and my question: do we believe women would still consider being pastors if they agree to cover their faces, so the only focus is the message and not the messenger? If this is about salvation and not personal gain or self promotion then the request shouldn't matter. Naturally the same wouldn't apply to men because the temptation flies with the power of influence built into the essence of a woman.
I don't believe Paul is implying the topic itself as the point of contention since this was customary at the time; rather the distinction between a woman's hair being her covering or her use of a vail. Remember his message was to the church in Corinth who were better at serving God but still had disagreements amongst what was customary to do. I believe the statement was Paul's attempt to keep the peace and detour unnecessary stumbling blocks.
Amen🕊️
Better to obey the word of God then words of men.
Lord Jesus Christ is every Born Again Believer Coverings not what she's talking about
❤
OR PAUL WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FEMININE MEN PASTORS YOU HAVE REFERRED ABOUT BEFORE LOL
Hello all
Sorry I sent that to someone else’s my Bad I love everything you talk about
Corey you finally got to it, this is what Bishop Wooden was saying that he has no problem preaching at the church in front of men as long as he and their husbands allow it
I love Bishop Wooden but scripture is clear. It makes no mention that women can be pastors if their husbands or a man in leadership approves. Women are not to be in leadership in the home, church or government. The role of headship is male per God’s Word. Isaiah 3:12 is clear…women in leadership is a judgment from God. This is a debate that will continue until Jesus returns.
Yes but the woman at the well didn't preach the Gospel of Lord Jesus Christ she just went and told the men that Jesus told her about her sins
If you honestly believe what you're saying then there should be no co-pastors, just one bishop and call it a day
Does the Bible mention co-pastors?
@@richk320 no it does not. The only terms linked to the pastoral office is bishop (spiritual leader or lead pastor), elder, Deacon (male) and Deaconess (female)
Now since that's true, does that mean all men and women in co-pastor roles are going against what is written??
This subject of can women be pastors is very half baked and not a real argument.
Just spread the gospel, be it male or female.
@@teoesakyou answered your own question!
@@teoesakhere is the thing though. What you said in your last part of your comment has nothing to do with the office of pastor.
You don’t have to be pastor to spread the gospel, we are all called as believers to do that. Not all are called to be pastors for God’s church.
There are qualifications for that and being women means you are not qualified according to scripture.
There is a structure with Gods church as there is also a structure in marriage. Christ over husband and wife, husband over wife etc. If you have a problem with that then my friend, it seems you really have an issue with the word of God.
One Bishop indeed... I agree with a WHOLE Heart!!! ❤🙏🏼 GRACE and Mercy and Forgiveness and Peace and LOVE be with you always from the Mighty God, Everlasting FATHER of Lights and My LORD and Savior Jesus Christ who Delivered me from a SNARE of the Fowler!!! Amen!!! ❤🙏🏼
Sigh.
Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (I wonder why. Jesus sent her and not a man)?
Rom 16:3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus.
1Co 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.
Priscilla and Aquila. The texts read Prisca (dim.) as in 2Ti 4:19. See Act 18:2, Act 18:18, Act 18:26; 1Co 16:19, for all we know of these helpers. Whether converts of Paul is not clear, but they were deeply taught in the Scriptures and the "Way" of God, as is shown in Act 18:26. (E.W. Bullinger companion notes)
helpers = fellow-labourers. Greek. sunergos. Compare Php 1:4, Php 1:3. See 1Co 3:9. (E.W Bullinger companion notes).
Corey needs to do a deeper study of God's word.
Women can be ELECT LADIES in charge of a church...2nd John
On one hand you say stick to the word. Where in the word does it say to be political or try to make the world think like us. I think preachers should stay out of politics
This is for everyone on this comment feed and the brother who made this video: shaphat is the Hebrew word for judge. Hebrew Lexicon H8199. It means to pronounce sentence over, vindicate or punish, to RULE over or PRESIDE, execute judgemnet or to defend. These are the SAME duties an episkope is supposed to exercise in the House of God. So as I stated before in the comments, Deborah was an appointed Judge aka Overseer aka RULER. You can't claim that she only acted as a judge to women and not men because that's not scripture. Bible says she judged the CHILDREN of Israel which I'm sure we can say that includes men. The scripture used to support your claims would be a contradiction and lying on the character of The Most High. Be honest, these are personal conjectures, not scripture. I doubt any of you truly consulted the Holy Ghost in this matter, and are drawing from your own understanding without allowing room for Ahayah's revelation.
Wrote a free informal essay on Deborah, should you wish a study.
Read time: 12 minutes postable here
@user-iz8np3vv4i Sure, post it in the comments section.
@@KingPriest82
(N.N. personal note)
Sure. It is in 2 posts due to its length.
@@KingPriest82
Essay on Deborah, the Judge and prophetess. (Revised Dec. 2023)
Before Paul we have her story. We don't know what Paul would have
said about her. We have to read about her first and then try to understand
Paul (if possible).
This is what the people at the beginning of Christianity had to do.
They knew the story of Deborah already.
Deborah is either a meaningless exception or an important precedent,
in the debate of whether men and women are spiritually equal.
Before beginning, it should be noted that there is no
scripture stating clearly or even hinting at,
that Deborah was God's second choice. There was no man
that rejected the call to be Judge, requiring a woman to
take that place.
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INTRODUCTION:
Before God was rejected by Israel for the rulership of men, that is, kings,
there were different 'seasons' so to speak. One of those seasons
was the time of the Judges.
...but they have rejected Me from being King over them.
Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah; and they said to him, “Behold, you have grown old, and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now appoint us a king to judge us like all the nations.” But the matter was displeasing in the sight of Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” And Samuel prayed to the Lord. And the Lord said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people regarding all that they say to you, because they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being King over them. Like all the deeds which they have done since the day that I brought them up from Egypt even to this day-in that they have abandoned Me and served other gods-so they are doing to you as well.
-excerpt 1 Samuel 8
A Judge at this time, was VERY different from a judge in our time.
The Judge was over the nation of Israel. But not as a man, as
King, or as a woman, as Queen, because God was not rejected as King as yet.
God ruled Israel through the Judges.
Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars?
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV
(In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word
shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has
obvious meaning to the average person.)
Major modern English translations like the NASB use
the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people...
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that
was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament
shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way.
“My people have become lost sheep;
Their shepherds have led them astray.
-excerpt Jeremiah 50
For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may
check out Ezekiel 34.
And here we see Judges ruling over Israel. Therefore we see God ruling over
the men and women of Israel, through a woman. That is, in the case of Deborah:
Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel.
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV
-God speaking to Nathan the prophet
Finally:
All the Judges were men, except one. Deborah.
She was married, but her husband was not a Judge.
HER JUDGING AUTHORITY here:
Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment.
-excerpt Judges 4
Deborah judged men and had the authority to execute, as
some sins in the Old Covenant, such as murder, demanded the death penalty
as the punishment.
There was no appeal to Deborah's (a Judge's) verdict:
... you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left.
If a man rejected Deborah's decision, the penalty was execution:
But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die;...
She used the Law, therefore scripture, when judging and instructing:
In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you...
She had the same authority as a Levitical priest:
So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge...
The location she judged was determined by God. It was not a small
cabin or cave, but outdoors. Therefore a public setting:
...go up to the place which the Lord your God chooses.
[She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country...
-excerpt Judges 4]
Also of note, she judged the hardest cases in the nation.
“If a case is too difficult for you to decide, between one kind of homicide or another, between one kind of lawsuit or another, and between one kind of assault or another, that are cases of dispute in your courts, then you shall arise and go up to the place which the Lord your God chooses. So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge who is in office in those days, and you shall inquire of them and they will declare to you the verdict. Then you shall act in accordance with the terms of the verdict which they declare to you from that place which the Lord chooses; and you shall be careful to act in accordance with everything that they instruct you to do. In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you, and in accordance with the verdict which they tell you, you shall act; you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die; so you shall eliminate the evil from Israel.
-excerpt Deuteronomy 17
[END OF PARTITION 1 OF 2]
@@KingPriest82
THE REASON GOD SENT HER here:
...the Lord was moved to pity...
And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them.
-excerpt Judges 2
The sending of a Judge meant God was showing mercy to His people.
It wasn't a judgment against them.
Since Deborah was a woman, this scripture is sometimes used
in error to describe her, in our time:
My people! Their oppressors treat them violently,
And women rule over them.
My people! Those who guide you lead you astray
And confuse the direction of your paths.
-excerpt Isaiah 3
They are taking the prophetess Deborah and comparing her to
Jezebel who murdered prophets.
Has it not been reported to my master what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, that I hid a hundred prophets of the Lord...
-excerpt 1 Kings 18
When a Judge died, THEN people were led astray.
But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways.
-excerpt Judges 2
After Deborah's time in Judges 4 and 5, we see confirmation of the people
turning back and acting more corruptly than their fathers.
Then the sons of Israel did what was evil in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord handed them over to Midian for seven years. The power of Midian prevailed against Israel.
-excerpt Judges 6 first two sentences (above)
When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin.
That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period.
THE AUTHORITY SHE HAD OVER THE COMMANDER OF THE ARMY here:
Now she sent word and summoned Barak...
She gave the order for the battle to begin that Israel won.
Then Deborah said to Barak, “Arise! For this is the day on which the Lord has handed Sisera over to you...
Before the battle began she prophesied that a woman
would kill Sisera (the enemy commander). This happened,
as Jael, a woman not part of the battle, killed Sisera.
She said, “I will certainly go with you; however, the fame shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman.”
And:
But Jael, Heber’s wife, took a tent peg and a hammer in her hand, and went secretly to him and drove the peg into his temple, and it went through into the ground; for he was sound asleep and exhausted. So he died. And behold, while Barak was pursuing Sisera, Jael came out to meet him and said to him, “Come, and I will show you the man whom you are seeking.” So he entered with her, and behold, Sisera was lying dead with the tent peg in his temple.
So what were the results of this battle?
And the Lord routed Sisera and all his chariots and all his army with the edge of the sword before Barak; and Sisera got down from his chariot and fled on foot. But Barak pursued the chariots and the army as far as Harosheth-hagoyim, and all the army of Sisera fell by the edge of the sword; not even one was left.
Also:
So God subdued Jabin the king of Canaan on that day before the sons of Israel. And the hand of the sons of Israel pressed harder and harder upon Jabin the king of Canaan, until they had eliminated Jabin the king of Canaan.
-excerpts Judges 4
In Judges 5, most of the chapter is Deborah and Barak
singing praises to God. The song lyrics are there.
Final sentence of Judges 5:
And the land was at rest for forty years.
Obviously a great outcome.
WERE THE MEN AT THAT TIME EXCEPTIONALLY COWARDLY? here:
(added Dec. 2023)
I have had comments over time that the leaders in Israel were cowardly. So
a woman was chosen to be a Judge because of that.
Now on the same night it came about that the Lord said to him, “Arise, go down against the camp, for I have handed it over to you. But if you are afraid to go down, go with Purah your servant down to the camp, so that you will hear what they say; and afterward you will have the courage to go down against the camp.” So he went down with Purah his servant to the outposts of the army that was in the camp.
-excerpt Judges 7
-God speaking to Gideon the Judge
We see Gideon afraid, because he took Purah his servant. As it says:
So he went down with Purah his servant to the outposts of the army that was in the camp.
And the Lord said to Gideon, “The people who are with you are too many for Me to hand Midian over to them, otherwise Israel would become boastful, saying, ‘My own power has saved me.’ Now therefore come, proclaim in the hearing of the people, saying, ‘Whoever is afraid and worried, is to return and leave Mount Gilead.’” So twenty-two thousand from the people returned, but ten thousand remained.
-excerpt Judges 7 (above)
Many men were fearful. But we also see that there was no way for Israel to free
themselves. No way for them to be their own savior, even if they somehow
summoned up the courage. God made the decision several times in the Book
of Judges to have others rule over them and oppress them. God's will was done.
Men couldn't overrule God, even with perfect courage.
Barak, in the end, went into battle. He did well enough to
be mentioned in the so-called Hall of Faith in Hebrews 11
in a positive way:
And what more shall I say? For time will fail me if I tell of ... Barak... who by faith conquered kingdoms, performed acts of righteousness, obtained promises, shut the mouths of lions, quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight.
In Judges 5 Deborah and Barak
mention the leaders in a positive way multiple times.
Then Deborah and Barak the son of Abinoam sang on that day, saying,
“For the leaders leading in Israel,
For the people volunteering,
Bless the Lord!
Also:
My heart goes out to the commanders of Israel,
The volunteers among the people;
Bless the Lord!
Also:
The people of the Lord came down to me as warriors.
From Ephraim those whose root is in Amalek came down,
Following you, Benjamin, with your peoples;
From Machir commanders came down,
And from Zebulun those who wield the staff of office.
And the princes of Issachar were with Deborah;
As was Issachar, so was Barak;...
Also:
Zebulun was a people who risked their lives,
And Naphtali too, on the high places of the field.
We see clearly that the leaders and "The people of the Lord..."
in a number of tribes stepped up when they believed God
was going to move to save them through Deborah the Judge.
EXPLANATION OF GOD USING DEBORAH here:
Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth...
Prophets and prophetesses are anointed with the
Holy Spirit as we know.
The explanation of God using Deborah to judge men
and being over the army is here:
An anointing of the Holy Spirit is the anointing of a powerful masculine being. That anointing eclipses gender.
FINAL THOUGHTS here:
A woman anointed with the Holy Spirit can serve in any capacity
in our time. Whatever valid title/position there is.
To oppose this, is to oppose the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit
that was upon Deborah the prophetess and Judge. Deborah, the
woman that "saved them from the hand of their enemies" by
God's will.
[END OF PARTITION 2 OF 2]
Nope, It says they are to keep silent that means they can not open their mouths, so why is it you said that doesn’t actually mean they can speak, but then say the other scripture does mean that they cant teach, it sounds like Male misogyny! last I checked the bible say there is no Jew nor Greek, Male nor Female, Free nor Slave in the Kingdom of GOD, and are we not all the Body of Christ and one with HIM? Jesus said to Paul “Saul, Saul why are you persecuting me?” Jesus sees us all as one with HIM, so why is it that the body is Treating women like second class citizens in the church? you get the easy Job of teaching in the church but you will allow woman to go out into the world and preach to men the gospel, thats a double standard, send out the woman to do a job that they could be persecuted doing, but men you chill in the church and speak to those who are already saved and are not going to persecute you. how does that make logical sense to anyone?
9:47 the same Paul gave a long letter a appreciating multiple people who helped him which included women.
Also why did Apollos allow himself to be taught by a woman?
Why did aquila teach along side his wife?
Why didn't others apart from Paul affirm this belief?
This topic is not as straight forward as you believe.
The biggest question is why are women today genuinely being called by God into ministry?
Surely God won't contradict his word, so is there something everyone is missing?
It is as straightforward as the Bible shows. (1) Apollos was not taught by a woman. (2) Aquila and Priscilla were updating Apollos on church doctrine so he'd be more effective at his job. He was a follower of John the Baptist, but he apparently wasn't one of the original followers of Christ. (3) The other apostles didn't need to affirm it. God already made His position on the matter very clear. (4) No woman is genuinely called by God into ministry.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 you just said aquila (man) and Priscilla (woman) taught apollos.
Then you said he is a follower of John the Baptist, how does that affect him being taught by woman??. Both Paul and Timothy who are vocal about not letting women talk are not part of the original followers of jesus.
Since God made his position clear on the matter, then a woman can teach a man, no problem.
You saying woman are not called by God isn't accurate, there are 5 offices. Do your own research and tell me those women weren't called?
@@teoesakbro woman can testify about Jesus Christ alone side men , but not to lead or pastor Gods church , so women can share the gospel alone side man and also prophecy, the word of God is clear on this , just like how Satan managed to manipulate the women in the beginning as get her to do the same thing that God word said not to do , today Satan is doing the same thing with women who are pastors and leaders in church is a clear example that Satan already manipulates them to do the same thing that God word said not to do , and have the heart to say it’s God who called them to be a pastor, it’s clear the god that called them is not the God of the Bible , because the God of the Bible is clearly against it ,
The only office that scripture speaks of that a woman is not a part of is a Bishop. There's no mention of a Bishop in the old testament. Women operated as Judges, priests, and prophets in the old testament. If a woman calls a fast isn't that authority over a man? Deborah was a judge, isn't that authority over a man? Proverbs says that a prudent wife is from the Lord. The Hebrew word Sakal is a root word for prudent. It also includes instruct, teach, and guide. I hope this comment finds you well but I can't let the lies and misinterpretation go unchallenged.
This was all settled with Deborah, at about 1100 B.C. I wrote
an informal free essay on Deborah, should you wish a study at
some point.
If a man's case was sent to the Judge, and he refused to appear
before the Judge, the penalty was execution. A Judge could judge
homicide cases, therefore a Judge could execute a man for his sin.
@user-iz8np3vv4i what's sad is they won't get it. They're stuck on their own personal conjectures and interpretation of scripture based on their own feelings of women preaching and teaching them.
God bend the rules whenever He see fit.
Women in ministry Romans 16:1-7
Spoiler alert, paul wrote that too
Cant we teach Sunday school 🚸 for the kids, ?
The only place the Bible ever gives a woman the responsibility to teach doctrine is with her own children.
Yes.
A Judge, Deborah for example, was cleared to teach
from the Law, that is, scripture. Since in Judges 4, men
went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men
scripture in a public setting even in the Old Covenant.
What about Deborah? What about Priscilla? Lydia? Others?
What about what Paul said?
Paul said “ I suffer not …”
LETS MAKE THAT CLEAR‼️‼️
Readers are advised to remember that demons are liars. Not everything that
Boltglue says should be assumed to be true, even from his own perspective.
-S. Szpak
Email #2
Nightowl, my dear brother
I must mention the wife of Lappidoth at this point. Even though
we both know her name, it is safest for us not to have such a name
in print, should this email fall into the wrong hands. Considering that
your influence is in Laodicea, this small safeguard is sufficient. Those
in Laodicea are far too lazy to look up who she was and what she did.
So how do we deal with those that promote her story? First, say that
she lived in the Old Time, and therefore whatever she did doesn't matter now.
Teach the importance of the New Time and the New Words. Emphasize
that ALL of the Old has passed away because ALL of the New is better.
Use these Old words to describe her "As for My people, children are their oppressors,
and women rule over them." This description is false, but trust
me always and trust in the stupidity of these lesser beings. Many will
be taught our truth regarding this female. Be patient, pride will come
to the males with these Old Words. The males just can't believe a female
could rule over them properly.
If this doesn't work, teach that the Liar above would never establish doctrine
by an exception. Obviously this is flawed logic, but works in a surprisingly
large number of students. Also point out to your students that all 12 of
the original apostles were male. Since they indeed were, use this to
our advantage. Teach by extension, that all future apostles MUST also
be male. All elders, all deacons, etc. Males invariably rule. Simplistic, yet effective.
All females that might in some way be considered exceptions to this rule
must be dismissed out of hand.
-your Divine older brother Boltglue
Was a woman created to lead or follow?????? If you can answer that question you get your answer.
None of them were ministers, and did it not possess any ministerial authority whatsoever. Deborah being a prophetess didn't make her a minister. The only individuals who were both prophets and ministers were all men: Moses, Samuel, Ezekiel, Jesus Christ, and the apostles whose epistles appear in the Bible are examples of this. Judges clearly says the ppl went to Deborah _for judgement_ . That did NOT include preaching to them.
Stop lieing
?!
10:15 literally the first act of evangelism was done by a woman
I have researched this throughly.
And Paul was definitely not double minded.
I would like to counter you with scripture.
Is there anyway we can connect.
@smartchannel
Priscilla have great Talent of being a Great Actress in Christian Faith based movies that I saw her play in, also she's acting in another Christian faith based movie that's coming out in September 2024.
However I DON'T agree with her position of Teaching & Ursurping Authority over Men & the Congregation.
The Holy Bible the word of God, is AGAINST Women That Teach & when they 'Ursurping Authority
over Men & the Congregation.