It's wise to work; pastors should work hard for God's approval and not be lazy! Seven lessons: 1) Work hard at knowing God's words (feast daily) 2) Work hard at gaining proficiency in Hebrew & Greek 3) Work hard at tracing the argument of passages in the Bible 4) Work hard at understanding the Bible's storyline & how the Bible fits together 5) Work hard at learning from what godly and brilliant exegetes and theologians over the centuries have written about God (though only God's word is authoritative, be humble to learn from others) 6) Work hard at correlating how everything in the Bible and outside the Bible coheres to reality (special and general revelation harmonizes) 7) Work hard at living out God's words
I am a woman therefore will never be (nor do I at all want to be) a pastor. However as far as I am concerned this is valid and helpful advice for my walk with the Lord Thank you!
Charles Spurgeon: "It seems odd that certain men who talk so much of what the Holy Spirit reveals to themselves should think so little of what He has revealed to others."
Some disputes can be resolved by reading the Book. 15 σπούδασον σεαυτὸν δόκιμον παραστῆσαι τῷ θεῷ, ἐργάτην ἀνεπαίσχυντον, ὀρθοτομοῦντα τὸν λόγον τῆς ἀληθείας.
This is going to come off as a hard knock to Andy Naselli and TMS, but it is not done with intentions of disrespect; rather, out of years of agony of attempting to seek God's approval out of works. This sermon is remarkably Mormon. I spent the first 26 years of my life attempting to seek God's approval and blessings out of hard work in the LDS faith, and we are not just talking salvation. I even entered into a life of ascetism for nearly two years removing myself form everyone I knew intensely studying scripture. Everything about my identity was taken from me down to my name so I could be fully consecrated to God. All of this was done post-salvation to please God and earn favor to receive both temporal and eternal blessings. Let me tell you something. This does not work and it turns into a diabolical mess. I know the sermon intent is not that extreme as I attempted, but it is the same road. There is a reason why the widely encompassing provisional promises from God contingent on righteous living in the old covenant is no more. Just like the Law, it was designed to expose our sin, because we are not even good enough to enable God's provision through a righteous standing even with miracles in front of our face. Our depravity is too great. By going through Proverbs saying we can receive blessings by our efforts to stand in approval with God is ignoring the context of the Book of Proverbs and the Bible itself. Those Proverbs illustrate God's sovereignty working through the righteous and not a boasting of good works. Pair this with Romans 9 and it is quite clear. We are not even good enough on our own volition, even a tiny bit, to uphold the proper truth illustrated in the word of God. We killed our own God. That's how deep our depravity goes. To think that offense beyond horror was them and that capability is not within all of us is a failure to come to grips of the depravity outlined in Romans 3:10-18. Your ability to understand and properly interpret the word of God is a gift freely given to us as we turn our hearts to God. Not of your own doing at all. I have six generations of ancestors before me currently paying the eternal price of following the LDS faith. Yet, every single one of them had a KJV Bible in their possession the whole time. The text is very much the same as any other KJV Bible, except that it has small Joseph Smith Translation notes down at the footnotes that most do not pay attention to. The reason why they did not see God's truth, despite it being in front of their faces the whole time, is because they approached the Bible with the mindset that they could work hard for God's approval, especially post-salvation. How else do you think false doctrine was developed? I was raised to militantly study scripture the moment I could read. 6-7 days a week. Before school and after school. Yet, the Bible came to me like a book of riddles, because I thought my efforts to study and understand were important. God delivered me purely out of mercy and His Grace from that dark abyss. When He did so, things became quite clear to me. All ability and capacity of the knowledge and understanding of scripture is of God and not of our own doing. I tried on my own volition to understand the Bible and failed. The Spirit transformed the desires in my heart, so that I want to study the word of God in every aspect as diligently as possible. I tried on my own volition to find the desire to study the word of God and failed. God made us as vessels of mercy to even have the capacity for God's righteousness and truth. I tried to obtain both failing to see it only comes by faith and so I failed. God gave us the talents and spiritual gifts to even have the ability to approach such a calling as ministry. I tried to earn my talents and spiritual gifts by seeking God's approval with hard work, and I failed. You see, it is God at every turn and the foundation of everything that is good and holy. To say I am in control of this over here and God does the rest over there is completely wrong at any degree. You cannot claim credit for the hard work when it is God who made and changed you to be that way. I don't care if the proper caveats were subtly placed here or there in a sermon. I don't care if at the end of an hour long sermon a proper clarification of the enabling power of God was placed. If you spend lengthy sections of your sermon suggesting or even hinting that you can receive approval of God by your own efforts, pre or post salvation, without clear and bold statements of God's transformative power, this is wrong. Sermons cannot be structured in a way for the high chance of someone interpreting the message wrong, whether it be for the laity or future ministers. I do not write this to condemn, but out of the deep anguish of my soul of all the things I have seen and done revolving around the topic of this sermon. I plea that you do not approach studies thinking your efforts and abilities are important. I plea that you humbly pray to God to change the desires of your heart and mind that enables you to do the hard things before you in studies. Pray that God opens your eyes to understand His truths and all the elements, like Greek and Hebrew, that are integral. Your faith is the only thing that you can do when approaching the topic of what more of the works of God is needed outlined in John 6:28-29. Such messages, like 2 Timothy 2:15, is an exhortation not demanding your own change of your efforts, but that of not quenching the Spirit, not turning away from God, and not focusing on your immediate circumstances so that He can transform you to uphold His righteous deeds.
All is of this good in part, but our main objective is to save souls by preaching the gospel and seeing people lives truly change. Not all are going to be as informative and well versed in scripture in order to fill the head with alot of knowledge. The Holy Spirit seems to not be included in the overall equation in knowing the scripture. I am hearing very little emphasis on the teacher who is the Holy Spirit. I am hearing much truth to cram the head and less emphasis in getting the heart absorbed with the most simple understanding of scripture. I keep hearing work work work as if it is in my hands and in my strength. Again, not enough emphasis on prayer and the help of the Helper>(The Holy Spirit)
Jeff Miller, its to much to ask for us who labor hard too but not to the point you purports. We don't need Greek,Hebrew to do it. Gods word touches people where they are that changes them. Our hearts need to be overflowed by his love that doesn't require such. We are underpaid in our country we live to survive with little. No computer, cheap cp, no books to do it. Etc. Maybe ,in there possible but not here for simple people,unwise,etc.
First you have to know what the scripture tells us and that is 2 Timothy 2:15 King James Version 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. WE DO NOT HAVE TO WORK only study for ourselves! Holy Spirit is our teacher!
Love this ❤
Thanks for the message, what profound insights on George Eldon Ladd starting at 19:37.
Thank you Andy! A sober reminder, not to work for our reputation and for the approval of others. Rather to work hard for the approval of God.
It's wise to work; pastors should work hard for God's approval and not be lazy!
Seven lessons:
1) Work hard at knowing God's words (feast daily)
2) Work hard at gaining proficiency in Hebrew & Greek
3) Work hard at tracing the argument of passages in the Bible
4) Work hard at understanding the Bible's storyline & how the Bible fits together
5) Work hard at learning from what godly and brilliant exegetes and theologians over the centuries have written about God (though only God's word is authoritative, be humble to learn from others)
6) Work hard at correlating how everything in the Bible and outside the Bible coheres to reality (special and general revelation harmonizes)
7) Work hard at living out God's words
Just what I needed to hear- big time! Thanks Andy!!!!!!!!!
Thank you very much!!
Thank you for this teaching. I love hearing Gods word preached and the examples and application in todays world as well.
I think this is a sermon that I'm going to many times....... So good, and so many things to think through and digest.
Thank you, for so much wisdom from God's word, God is so faithful! I will need to listen again and again.
I am a woman therefore will never be (nor do I at all want to be) a pastor. However as far as I am concerned this is valid and helpful advice for my walk with the Lord
Thank you!
Charles Spurgeon: "It seems odd that certain men who talk so much of what the Holy Spirit reveals to themselves should think so little of what He has revealed to others."
KJV says "study to show thyself approved" I think that is the best in my opinion.
When you study you’re being diligent. And if you’re being diligent than you’re definitely studying.
God bless you pastor
What about approval of those on the right? Trying to gain their approval?
Some disputes can be resolved by reading the Book. 15 σπούδασον σεαυτὸν δόκιμον παραστῆσαι τῷ θεῷ, ἐργάτην ἀνεπαίσχυντον, ὀρθοτομοῦντα τὸν λόγον τῆς ἀληθείας.
Good preaching. However, I have question. why he should use proverbs rather than exposing the immediate context in 2 Timothy 2?
Listening now 😊
This is going to come off as a hard knock to Andy Naselli and TMS, but it is not done with intentions of disrespect; rather, out of years of agony of attempting to seek God's approval out of works. This sermon is remarkably Mormon.
I spent the first 26 years of my life attempting to seek God's approval and blessings out of hard work in the LDS faith, and we are not just talking salvation. I even entered into a life of ascetism for nearly two years removing myself form everyone I knew intensely studying scripture. Everything about my identity was taken from me down to my name so I could be fully consecrated to God. All of this was done post-salvation to please God and earn favor to receive both temporal and eternal blessings. Let me tell you something. This does not work and it turns into a diabolical mess.
I know the sermon intent is not that extreme as I attempted, but it is the same road. There is a reason why the widely encompassing provisional promises from God contingent on righteous living in the old covenant is no more. Just like the Law, it was designed to expose our sin, because we are not even good enough to enable God's provision through a righteous standing even with miracles in front of our face. Our depravity is too great. By going through Proverbs saying we can receive blessings by our efforts to stand in approval with God is ignoring the context of the Book of Proverbs and the Bible itself. Those Proverbs illustrate God's sovereignty working through the righteous and not a boasting of good works. Pair this with Romans 9 and it is quite clear.
We are not even good enough on our own volition, even a tiny bit, to uphold the proper truth illustrated in the word of God. We killed our own God. That's how deep our depravity goes. To think that offense beyond horror was them and that capability is not within all of us is a failure to come to grips of the depravity outlined in Romans 3:10-18. Your ability to understand and properly interpret the word of God is a gift freely given to us as we turn our hearts to God. Not of your own doing at all. I have six generations of ancestors before me currently paying the eternal price of following the LDS faith. Yet, every single one of them had a KJV Bible in their possession the whole time. The text is very much the same as any other KJV Bible, except that it has small Joseph Smith Translation notes down at the footnotes that most do not pay attention to. The reason why they did not see God's truth, despite it being in front of their faces the whole time, is because they approached the Bible with the mindset that they could work hard for God's approval, especially post-salvation. How else do you think false doctrine was developed? I was raised to militantly study scripture the moment I could read. 6-7 days a week. Before school and after school. Yet, the Bible came to me like a book of riddles, because I thought my efforts to study and understand were important.
God delivered me purely out of mercy and His Grace from that dark abyss. When He did so, things became quite clear to me. All ability and capacity of the knowledge and understanding of scripture is of God and not of our own doing. I tried on my own volition to understand the Bible and failed. The Spirit transformed the desires in my heart, so that I want to study the word of God in every aspect as diligently as possible. I tried on my own volition to find the desire to study the word of God and failed. God made us as vessels of mercy to even have the capacity for God's righteousness and truth. I tried to obtain both failing to see it only comes by faith and so I failed. God gave us the talents and spiritual gifts to even have the ability to approach such a calling as ministry. I tried to earn my talents and spiritual gifts by seeking God's approval with hard work, and I failed. You see, it is God at every turn and the foundation of everything that is good and holy. To say I am in control of this over here and God does the rest over there is completely wrong at any degree. You cannot claim credit for the hard work when it is God who made and changed you to be that way.
I don't care if the proper caveats were subtly placed here or there in a sermon. I don't care if at the end of an hour long sermon a proper clarification of the enabling power of God was placed. If you spend lengthy sections of your sermon suggesting or even hinting that you can receive approval of God by your own efforts, pre or post salvation, without clear and bold statements of God's transformative power, this is wrong. Sermons cannot be structured in a way for the high chance of someone interpreting the message wrong, whether it be for the laity or future ministers.
I do not write this to condemn, but out of the deep anguish of my soul of all the things I have seen and done revolving around the topic of this sermon. I plea that you do not approach studies thinking your efforts and abilities are important. I plea that you humbly pray to God to change the desires of your heart and mind that enables you to do the hard things before you in studies. Pray that God opens your eyes to understand His truths and all the elements, like Greek and Hebrew, that are integral. Your faith is the only thing that you can do when approaching the topic of what more of the works of God is needed outlined in John 6:28-29. Such messages, like 2 Timothy 2:15, is an exhortation not demanding your own change of your efforts, but that of not quenching the Spirit, not turning away from God, and not focusing on your immediate circumstances so that He can transform you to uphold His righteous deeds.
The verse says as one approved by God. The verse doesn’t say we we work for God’s approval
That is, one approved after being tested. God is the one doing the evaluation.
That is, one approved after being tested. God is the one doing the evaluation.
10:18, 19:37-33:39
All is of this good in part, but our main objective is to save souls by preaching the gospel and seeing people lives truly change. Not all are going to be as informative and well versed in scripture in order to fill the head with alot of knowledge. The Holy Spirit seems to not be included in the overall equation in knowing the scripture. I am hearing very little emphasis on the teacher who is the Holy Spirit. I am hearing much truth to cram the head and less emphasis in getting the heart absorbed with the most simple understanding of scripture. I keep hearing work work work as if it is in my hands and in my strength. Again, not enough emphasis on prayer and the help of the Helper>(The Holy Spirit)
Pastors, you may be seated.
Jeff Miller, its to much to ask for us who labor hard too but not to the point you purports. We don't need Greek,Hebrew to do it. Gods word touches people where they are that changes them. Our hearts need to be overflowed by his love that doesn't require such. We are underpaid in our country we live to survive with little. No computer, cheap cp, no books to do it. Etc. Maybe ,in there possible but not here for simple people,unwise,etc.
First you have to know what the scripture tells us and that is 2 Timothy 2:15
King James Version
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
WE DO NOT HAVE TO WORK only study for ourselves!
Holy Spirit is our teacher!
What are you trying to say exactly? Sorry i couldn't make it out
@@justinbeirapadua1023 if you can't comprehend scripture and my words then I suggest you talk with God as you STUDY scripture.