On the adjuster what’s the deal with the cotter pin some people say you just leave it in and don’t touch it other people say you have to remove the cotter pin? What’s the proper technique and what’s the purpose of that pin
Great vid. Probably more important than ever since for some reason the '23 turbo R's didn't come with a stronger chain like the previous years' turbos. check the part numbers on your sprockets with the parts fiche and you'll see that the fiche shows different part numbers which is the proper HYVO equipment. the chain that these sleds came with is also not HYVO. supply issues, cost cutting, who knows why...
Hey Steve, why can't ski doo just tap the chain case bolts instead of using that self tapping bolt ? I've never had in issue until my 21. My 20 and 14 are still perfect. I've taken the time to tap on the 21 and install a nicer bolt. And you can really feel that set up tighten up.
probably cost. cheaper to use self tappers-gotta be careful when tightening those bolts and use a torque wrench. the case is magnesium and it's easy to strip the bolt holes.
@@backcountryshitok yeah, would like to know why they don't. a thing I do is run a tap thru the chain case bolt holes to remove the metal chips left behind when the self tapping bolts are first installed at the factory.
I also switch the bolts out to standard bolts. If you look at the ones from the factory real close, you will see they are trilobular, which is what allows them to self tap. I believe they strip,out easy because there are only three point of contact on each thread.
It’s a misnomer, but chains actually don’t stretch. The tensile strength is far too high. On a motorcycle where it’s subjected to the elements, dirt and grime each link will microscopically wear down causing slop, making the chain longer which gives it an appearance of a stretch. However, a chain enclosed in clean oil isn’t likely to wear nearly as much as a motorcycle chain. I suspect either the plastic chain tensioner wears down loosening the chain or more likely the tension adjustment screw slightly backs out due to vibration since it’s not locked in place. Either way you’re correct. Very important to check the tension since these things are wildly and unnecessarily constantly blipped
@@berlinbanks A bike chain is far different than a drive chain on a snowmobile, or just about anything else actually, made lighter for shifting ability.
It would have been great if you would have shown the free play on the clutch side once the chain was adjusted!
Good feedback, I’ll do that next time I have a cover off
Great vid man. Finally a good up close visual of how it’s done properly. 🤙🤙🤙🤙
Thanks 👍
Great video. To the point and detailed enough, Great close up views. Super helpful man.
Glad you enjoyed it!
On the adjuster what’s the deal with the cotter pin some people say you just leave it in and don’t touch it other people say you have to remove the cotter pin? What’s the proper technique and what’s the purpose of that pin
Great vid. Probably more important than ever since for some reason the '23 turbo R's didn't come with a stronger chain like the previous years' turbos. check the part numbers on your sprockets with the parts fiche and you'll see that the fiche shows different part numbers which is the proper HYVO equipment. the chain that these sleds came with is also not HYVO. supply issues, cost cutting, who knows why...
Good point…
Hell yea thanks Steve!!! Lots of questions out there right now about th me gen 5 chains!!
Its 2023, you'd think ski doo would have this shit figured out by now. wtf?
Thank buddy
Thank you for showing how it works!
Great vid Buddy!!
Thanks buddy
How about a # for the right torque needed instead of "feel" would be so easy to just adjust the chain by correct torque
I thought about that too, but I didn’t think everyone had access to the correct torque wrench.
So how much play should be on the secondary when you check?
I honestly don’t check with the secondary, I run the adjuster until it’s snug. I’ll check that for you though
Hey Steve, why can't ski doo just tap the chain case bolts instead of using that self tapping bolt ? I've never had in issue until my 21. My 20 and 14 are still perfect. I've taken the time to tap on the 21 and install a nicer bolt. And you can really feel that set up tighten up.
probably cost. cheaper to use self tappers-gotta be careful when tightening those bolts and use a torque wrench. the case is magnesium and it's easy to strip the bolt holes.
All the money they waste they could tap those holes. And yes I torque 89 in/lbs
@@backcountryshitok yeah, would like to know why they don't. a thing I do is run a tap thru the chain case bolt holes to remove the metal chips left behind when the self tapping bolts are first installed at the factory.
That’s a good idea, I’m not sure the reason behind that. You have to be careful for sure with the magnesium case and cover
I also switch the bolts out to standard bolts. If you look at the ones from the factory real close, you will see they are trilobular, which is what allows them to self tap. I believe they strip,out easy because there are only three point of contact on each thread.
Thanks for that video bud 👌🏼
Very informative keep them coming
More to come!
It’s a misnomer, but chains actually don’t stretch. The tensile strength is far too high. On a motorcycle where it’s subjected to the elements, dirt and grime each link will microscopically wear down causing slop, making the chain longer which gives it an appearance of a stretch. However, a chain enclosed in clean oil isn’t likely to wear nearly as much as a motorcycle chain. I suspect either the plastic chain tensioner wears down loosening the chain or more likely the tension adjustment screw slightly backs out due to vibration since it’s not locked in place. Either way you’re correct. Very important to check the tension since these things are wildly and unnecessarily constantly blipped
disagree I owned a bike shop for years and laying a new chain next to a used chain the used one will be much longer.
Exactly, not stretch, the wear results in slop between links.
@@berlinbanks A bike chain is far different than a drive chain on a snowmobile, or just about anything else actually, made lighter for shifting ability.
@@berlinbanks longer because each link wears a millimeter. You don’t have enough torque by peddling to stretch metal. 🤦🏻♂️
thanks
That chain looks way too tight.
Yea it’s to tight