This scene is pure poetic. Whoever visualized and expressed Jiang Cheng's world collapsed once again deserve some kind of visual award. Except the debris, I can found Madam Yu's hair crown and the Jiang's bell floating around, they were all gone.
What some of you might not know is that the reason JC lost his core was WY at first place. He baited himself to Wens to save Wei Ying and Wei Ying sacrificed his own core because he knew Jiang Cheng’s dreams would crush and he wouldnt be a leader without his cultivation. They both sacrificed so much for each other that it actually hurts seeing them so close yet so far
Didn't jiang cheng lose his core, because he was impatient and rushed to killed wen chao alone, while wei wuxian was shopping? Then he was captured by wens, tortured and wen zhuliu crushed his core
@@kontiimanalatit8987 The anime doesn't show what the manga does as clearly. Some soldiers had recognized Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng overhead them talking about going and grabbing him. So he ran to distract them and try to protect Wei Wuxian.
@@kontiimanalatit8987 It's shown in the anime too, though it's not explicitly stated so I guess it's easy to miss. When Jiang Cheng reflects back on the moment, you can see that he is calmly waiting and then notices Wen clan members. Then he suddenly runs out in clear sight of them, not even attempting to sneak away, and they run after him. What's implied here is that Jiang Cheng realized that bc WWX was out shopping, they would find him first. So Jiang Cheng purposefully made the Wens see him so that they would chase after him, thus leading them away from where WWX was. The next part is just my speculation (idk if it's said in the novel), but knowing how the Wens work, it is also veeery likely they interrogated, threatened and tortured Jiang Cheng about where WWX was. Since they didn't return for WWX, that means Jiang stayed silent.
The Untamed live action showed that Jiang Cheng was out wandering around the streets and happened to see Wei Ying about to get caught by the guards searching for him. So Jiang Cheng decided to sacrifice himself to save Wei Ying. In a voice-over he even says, "Take care of my sister. I'll leave her to you." meaning that he knows he's going to die if he baits the guards to go after him. So he's sacrificing his own life to save Wei Ying's who will then protect his sister from that point on. He didn't expect Wei Ying to do the same for him (give his Golden Core to him). Jiang Cheng doesn't tell Wei Ying what he did for him and Wei Ying didn't tell Jiang Cheng what he did for him either. The two are really quite a lot alike in that aspect. They care for eachother enough to sacrifice eachother for the other one. But don't want to tell them that bc they don't want them to feel like they owe the other person. It made the viewers and Wei Ying think that Jiang Cheng was simply impatient and rushed out to kill the Wens. But then revealed the truth to the viewers (not to Wei Ying which is a shame) about what really happened.@@kontiimanalatit8987
The golden core scene is very well adapted for animation!!! Colors, music, emotions... Ahhh so good!!!! I've seen a lot of people get upset about the JC scene, but I think it's adapted very closely to the novel. I don't know why those who read the novel were so surprised :/ JC needs time, yes it's true. He has to reflect on his own mistakes and decisions, and then move on. WWX and JC have never had the same morale, and JC always wanted WWX to be his subordinate. That's not what WWX is, that's not what he wants. WWX is very happy with LWJ, they have the same values, see each other as equals and understand each other very well. Reconciliation is not always necessary. I think sometimes it's better without reconciliation.
All adaptations of the core reveal (bar manhua because we’re not there yet) were really good. I’m not going to compare which one better or what’s accurate because the animation consciously took a slightly different take in terms of the timeline that changes the tone it’s set and the resulting in a much more bitter resolution for Jiang Cheng. I do like it going deep into the symbolism of what was going on his mind. It’s a mess of confusion, chaos and debris of memories, emotions and things past and you can’t rebuild anything with that around. As painful as it is, by knowing the truth it flushed out the confusing chaos and turned it into emptiness. It’s painful to restart, however emptiness, can be filled again, this time with stronger foundations. He released it all by taking it out on Wei Ying as a consequence and symbolising he has to let him go as well to fully heal. I do feel like many others feel raw emotions about this. Some might dislike this version of Jiang Cheng for taking his vitriol out on Wei Ying when he was so weak and vulnerable but people forget he has only just found out and has not had opportunity to process it at all. The key factor here is time. He had time to reflect in the other adaptations. At least a few days but here he literally just found out, things were going to be raw and bitter so his opportunity to confront and have an honest talk with Wei Ying couldn’t be done. They can’t give their apologies, that’s why it hurts so much more. I would’ve liked a special episode or something to allow that reconciliation to happen but for now, I‘ll go reread/rewatch/re-listen to the other adaptations to ease the pain of this scene. It is beautifully done. Painful but beautiful
It's my first time experiencing this story and sad as it is, I think if reconcilliation is possible it has to be Jiang Cheng who reaches out and admits fault. It's his stubborn pride and inferiority complex making it impossible for him to ever admit to having done the wrong thing, to having betrayed his brother long before Wuxian betrayed him. He still longs for that last connection to his family, but won't be satisfied unless Wuxian takes all the blame and grovels for forgiveness so he can finally feel superior. It's remarkably human, like a story we've all heard from others families or our own, so I'm really impressed with the author.
Jiang Cheng is one of my favorite characters in anything ever. He’s so complex. He loves his brother. He isn’t allowed to love his brother, so he’s angry at him. He discovers that the thing that tore him from his brother is entirely the result of his brother making a unfathomably selfless sacrifice FOR HIM. All that time, all those years spent being angry and making the wrong choices simply because Wei Wuxian didn’t TELL him about the core transfer. He’s made awful mistakes he can never take back, all out of love and duty and stress. He’s EXTREMELY human and fallible and such a compelling character. I love this scene. How it visualizes Jiang Cheng’s entire worldview collapsing around him, how even though it is, he chooses to stand up and bear the weight of it; and then collapses to his knees when Wei Wuxian gets further away from him once again, as a result of Jiang Cheng’s own actions. Absolutely gut wrenching.
It's so heartbreaking that both Lan Zhan and Wei Wuxian, had to discover each's other painful past by word of a third party because they don't want to make the other one worry even more 🥺💔😭 THEY LOVE EACH OTHER SO MUCH!!!
This is why Wei ying is the best of us, if my sibling keeps spitting bullshit at me because of his pride after everything I've been through for him then am done. It just show what poor parental figures he had. To make someone feel so worthless to this point is emotional abuse
Jiang cheng isn't evil person though we can't deny he always has been missed any chances to be straightforward to himself due to his environment back in he was a child and teen as well as his hot temper. Actually his father already knew Wei Wuxian is better than him in terms of personality also braveness.
Between his childhood insecurities thinking his father loved Wei more than him, that Wei was better at swords and cultivation than him.. The anger of his mother about the "possible bastard love child" .. and the fact that Wei's temperament was better. .. over time all he could see was that Wei chose everyone else over him. Standing up for everyone back in the cave against the Wens, later choosing to save the Wen branch.. and the General opinion of the masses who seem to jump on any blame bandwagon and it's no wonder Jiang Cheng is such an angry whiny Bi*ch.
@@breannbubolz6583 Right u saying. Although we can learn one lesson from this masterpiece donghua(Chinese animation), "Don't judge everything of someone with the first impression. ( Ex: Wen Ning, Wen Qing, Nie Huaisang, Wei Wuxian, Lan Zhan as well as all members who had set Wei Ying up like Su She also some Jin clan members. Furthermore, despite of his aggressive words, Jiang Cheng's heart isn't strong enough to acknowledge his mistake. )
@@breannbubolz6583 jiang cheng’s behavior stems from his mother. She had insecurities and trust issues with her husband and took it out on the children. She compared her son to weiying too much which cause jiang cheng’s inferiority complex. Also I think it’s the mother’s fault for having jiang cheng’s sister marry into the Jin clan. She chose the wrong husband for her daughter. If the marriage never happened, jinling wouldn’t have become like he is.
@@bubblez8604 Partly. She herself was in a bad relationship... She came from a big clan/sect in a different region and basically forced the marriage. And her knowing that her husband was good friends with another woman (that woman being married or not does not matter) made her hate the child of that woman all the more. In her sick mind, she thought her husband loved the "bastard" more than his own son and that's why she was always comparing. Jiang Cheng himself had a complex.. he hates to feel less than others, but he is always made to feel that way due to Wei Yings actions. It's a complicated and Tangled mess of family dinamics. He's (Jiang Cheng) still a whiny Bi*ch! 😂
@@breannbubolz6583 I think she made the relationship bad herself. Her husband seem to be the one that tries to fix the relationship like do something she likes, but she’s so cold that every time she sees weiying she’s not in the mood. Jiang cheng’s mom should be the whiny one. But I think the parents weren’t that bad at first if they were willing to have 2 kids. They must have liked each other at some point. But then when weiying came along. She made it seem like weiying is the one that wreck their family since he’s a troublemaker. She never gave any love to her son or daughter until she know she was about to die. A cold woman at heart. She created jiang cheng as the whiny one so it’s still mostly her fault. Her toxicity created part of jiang cheng’s personality
OMG what a tear jerking moment. Wen Ning going there like a boss and telling him everything about his golden core . So much emotion in everyone’s face . Why heart hurts for Wei Ying and Lan Zhan 😭
wen ning's explanation is so much harsher in the donghua than in the drama. "little did you know that you would've never have been able to surpass him." like damn. and then you have the live-action, where it seemed like wen ning was angrily begging JC to understand
I remembered crying when I saw Lan Zhan cried for Wei Ying in the live action version. It was truly sad although I knew all along that Wei Ying gave up his golden core.
I'm so proud of Wen ning, he was just a shy boy back then but now that he lost pretty much everything he has confidence to speak his mind but still keeping his warm heart. JC needed to know this, he is always acting so cocky but without WY he would had died, he needed a dose of humility because he thinks he is above everyone but in fact he isn't. I know that is not just his fault, he grew with a lot of insecurities thanks to his parents but his character never developed, he is stuck in the past and he became evil torturing innocent people just because he was obsessed with Wwx. He is also extremely ungrateful after all the things the Wen siblings did for him he didn't move a finger when they were killed, so yeah Wen Ning owes nothing to him is actually the opposite and I'm so glad that he told him the things as they are, like it or not he will never be on Wei Ying's level, he doesn't have the strength, the resilience, the ability or the intelligence and most important he doesn't have his heart. Thanks to his pride he lost everyone and he is a lonely and bitter man that no one wants to get close to, he made unforgettable mistakes and he has to live with it, is too late for him now he wasted too much time hating, caring about other's opinions and sinking in resentment and self pity
@Sagarika Mohapatra I read the novel so I actually know and in the novel I dislike him even more, he is a bad brother and yeah his parents made his insecurities even worse but is not entirely their fault, JC is a grown man now but he is still really immature. Is ok if you have a different perspective and all but the things that he did have no justification or redemption for me
@Sagarika Mohapatra Well you should because of you arguments are a bit off and in the donghua and the drama they don't explain the situation that well, they even changed some parts. He is indeed a bad brother but if you can't see it there's nothing I can do
@Sagarika Mohapatra Save Wei Ying from getting caught when he was the one that put him in that situation lol. We can't discuss this properly if you haven't read the novel and look if trying to kill your brother is the definition of a good brother for you that's fucked up but ok I guess, that's your opinion
@Sagarika Mohapatra He tried to kill Wei Wuxian three times, for things that he knew were not his brother's fault. He dishonored the debts he owed others, but never let up screaming about every tiniest thing he believed, often falsely, due to him. And then he blamed the victims of his own lack of honor. His own people fear him for his cruelty. That one moment where he drew off the Wen was the ONLY good thing he did in his life.
it isnt that he doesnt care or he is ungrateful. he's the leader of the clan and he often finds himself in impossible situation. to put it short, he puts his clan first above everything else (even WY), he resents WY so much because WY didnt. instead of placing the clan first, WY always choose to do what he thinks is the right thing to do. in a way, it feels like a betrayal, that WY is choosing to side outsider instead of the Jiang Clan. there was a part when they were both arguing agressively and JC said it clearly in the end, that if WY does not follow what the crowd wants, than JC is unable to protect him anymore. JC is doing everything he can to protect him from the other clans, but WY is doing the exact opposite. everything that WY does is making him the enemy. i guess it's like WY is extremely courageous to the point that he dont care even if everyone sees him as an enemy. but JC is just a man with weakness, he is just not as heroic or brave like WY.
One thing I never understood is why Jiang Cheng thinks Wei Ying owes him anything... He already paid for everything he did by dying once. So how hard can it be for a person to just let go... Afterall he was the one who let Wei Ying go the first time.... Why expect him to stay at all now? Jiang Cheng really is too prideful for his own good. And I absolutely love how Wen Ning told him how he could never surpass Wei Ying... Go OFF Wen Ning!!!
드라마에선 그렇지만 원작소설, 애니에서 강징은 위영에게 해를 끼친게 없어요. 어렸을때부터 비교당하고 열등감을 느껴도 친구로서 잘 지내려고 노력을 많이 했습니다. 도륙현무때 어른들을 데려와 위영을 살리기도 했고 그것때문에 가문이 멸망했지만 사도를 익힌 위영을 가문의 일원으로 인정해주기도 했습니다. 가문을 나갔을때도 찾아와줬고요. 강징도 화가 날 수 있는 입장이고 서로 빚을 주고 받은 관계인거죠. 강징은 (고의는 아니지만) 위영이 일으킨 사건으로 엄마 아빠 사제들 가문의 수하들 누나 누나의남편 모두 잃었어요. 그리고도 이정도면 강징도 진짜 착한거에요. ㅠㅠ 미움과 사랑은 가를 수가 없다. 나는 강징의 마음이 이해돼요. 미워하고 싶지만 미워할 수 없는.
I agree with what you're saying 100%. In my opinion, I think Jiang Cheng has been angry all these years not because he felt Wei Ying owes him anything (which he does from time to time as he still views WY as his subordinate), but I think his problem is that he has never been able to let go of the dream he dreamt of being the Clan Leader and having his brother WY by his side. He felt abandoned by WY when WY left the Jiang Clan to save the refugees of the Wen Clan, especially as he was still processing his grief of losing his mother and his father. He never understood that WY wasn't doing it to "abandon" JC, WY was doing it because he also once was a helpless homeless kid living on the streets and if it hadn't been for Jiang Fengmian, he wouldn't have made it this far in life. So he feels the need to protect helpless people as he sees himself in them. If only WY and JC were able to communicate with each other and understand each other's perspectives. If only WY was able to tell JC the truth about the golden core and his practising demonic cultivation. If only JC had stood by his brother and realised that even though WY was extremely powerful, the newly built Jiang Clan's leader supporting WY would've greatly helped WY and silenced a lot of the haters..... I think WY and JC's tale is the most tragic in the entire novel/show/donghua. I get soooo angry and then I feel a deep sadness at how tragic and desperate their tale was. 😭😭😭
Friends reading all your comments is making he cry. All the comments are true. JC always wanted wei by is side. Even when were young JC has helped wei in many ways. Actually I think jc didn't want wei to be with lz. But what can one do to the heart, and the loved ones. Wei has to follow is husband lz.
He lost EVERYTHING, that never stops hurting, his mother, his father, his sister and home. No matter what good Wei did he gave the Wens the excuse they needed to attack Lotus cove. So many people died for him to do the right thing and I adore Wei I do but by god Cheng spent his entire life living in Wei's shadow, lost everything to him, saw his mother and fathers relationship struggle since Wei was bought home and thats NOT something you can just let go, all he asked in return was Wei joined him at his side and he didnt even do that. So hell yes Wei owes him. He dragged him through hell, through shame and caused him to lose all and have to rebuild alone, damned straight he has a good reason to hurt. I dont think many people look at how everything Wei does affect Cheng as a clan leader and brother, as he keeps having to answer for him or apologize for him and that gets old real fast.
@Blue Raspberry Cat I understand that loosing a family member hurts, and it may never stop hurting, but it does get better with time as people learn to deal with their loss. Also, how is JC’s parents fighting when his dad brought WY home WY’s fault? What was he supposed to do? Where else could he have gone? Was he supposed to be sorry for being born? That is not in his control. As for the attack on Lotus Pier, the Wen’s probably would have attacked regardless, as long as JC’s parents put up any kind of resistance to the Wens’ demands. JC’s sister and her husband dying wasn’t necessarily WY’s fault, as he could normally control his demonic cultivation just fine. It was only when the tiger amulet was corrupted and he was set up by JG that things went awry. Yes, WY did have plenty of mishaps and screw ups where JC had to pick up after him, but I think you are letting WY carry way more of the blame for JC’s problems than is warranted. And yes, JC does have the right to be upset, but getting angry at WY and pushing him away now isn’t going to help the situation or their relationship at all, and from what I have seen, it isn’t making JC feel any better.
Lan Zhan es el hombre más importante en la vida de Wei Ying, ya sea como amigo y en realidad pareja. Pero Wen Ning tiene una lealtad que va incluso más allá de la muerte. Él y su hermana fueron mis personajes favoritos de Mo Dao Zu Shi!
Como duele esta escena 💔😭 Imaginar por todo lo que paso Wei Ying, el dolor que sintió, me parte el corazón 😭😭 Y no me imagino el dolor que siente Jiang Cheng al enterarse de toda la verdad 🤧🤧
He only let him go so he could truly find himself. They were already married. Wei needed to be himself in the world see what he wanted to see...for me they both had unfinished business separately and then when Lan Zhan felt it was time, he tracked him again. Found him and after listening to him play their song...he called out to him and when Wei Ying turned around he knew they would never again be separated because they were both ready to have life be theirs....their dream. It was quite beautiful and joyfully tearful!😭😊💞
@@n0r7h3rn2 even though that was not in series meanwhile i already make them married and have kid in my imagination..but if they separate them..i will fly to china find director and beat him until he cry like i have cried😭😭 i just everytime change my mind watching untamed because of tragic ending..they should take care of audience we could have heart attack😁 because of that
@@rebekablackwood well without paying respect how could we love the show..we love the show and our love is respect and when did you find me not giving respect?🙏
Here's how I see it. JC's relationship with WWX in the beginning was good, but as JC was the youngest sibling, he began to rely too heavily on his adopted brother. It's almost as if he had Borderline Personality Disorder. He was obsessed with the promise WWX made and when he returned from the dead, was in the mindset of "if I can't have him, no one can", not in a romantic way, but as he wanted to be the one WWX smiled at and was comfortable around. It became more and more toxic as time went on and Lan Zhan knew this, which was why he protected WWX from JC. JC wanted WWX to be as miserable as he was. However, Wen Ning also came up in WWX's defense and laid a truth bomb of many right to his face as if smacking him down a few pegs to show where his pride (the floating objects around JC in the vision) came crashing down. The old saying is "Pride Goeth before the Fall" and that vision was JC's pride shattering and at that moment, WWX finally decided to leave all the toxicity behind him and go with the light (Lan Zhan) to better himself and let JC wallow in the mess he created.
jiang cheng isn't swallow but he was made to be like this because of his parenting and constant comparison. even after so much he was always the good brother of wei ying he didn't turn evil. he is just a good brother who can't express himself properly
It's hard to grow up un the shadow of greatness when your mother demands perfection from you. However, lets summarize Jiang Cheng's actions once he became clan leader. 1. He blamed Wei Wuxian for the attack on Lotus Cove even though it was obvious the Wens were attacking everyone. 2. He blamed Wei Wuxian for leaving the clan when he made it a choice between leaving and protecting Wen Qing, Wen Ning and the other innocent Wens or joining him in war crimes and genocide. WWX was hardly going to help anyone kill Wen Qing and Wen Ning, who had risked everything to save him and JC. 3. He blamed Wei Wuxian for the death of Jin Zixuan and Shije even though he was only defending himself. 4. He led the charge to murder innocent people and spent 16 years hating Wei Wuxian with a passion. You could say it was love/hate, but he tried to hurt or kill him several times. NOW, he finds out that Jin Guangyao, with the help of Xue Yang and Su She, framed Wei Wuxian in the deaths of Jin Zixuan, Shije and the others that died and tried to kill virtually everyone in the mountain. He finds out that Wei Wuxian HAD to give up the sword because he had given him his golden core. What's his reaction? Does he swallow his pride and say, "I'm sorry and thank you"? Hell, no. He tells him he hates him even more because he's always been too good and too selfless. I scratch my head at the fans of this drama who like him and respect him. I can go with "feel sorry for him", but he's lethally toxic. In the end, we hope he comes to grips with his many mistakes and forgives himself, but as far as WWX moving on and leaving him behind, I can't feel too bad about that.
Dude THANK YOU. I honestly thought it was clear that JC was an antagonist that you weren’t supposed to like because he spent so long in his past and trauma that he never grew as a person. He even let JL believe every single lie about WWX because he was that insecure! JC admitted later that he knew deep down that WWX was innocent but needed someone to be angry at, which makes everything he did even more fucked up- but he’s a “great brother” apparently :/ JC’s not fun to think about vs every other character in the novel
@@akaylowery6939 He is hard to watch after he becomes the clan leader. You keep hoping he'll stop being such an angry, violent, bitter, resentful idiot, but it doesn't happen. Sometimes, when I rewatch, I skip his scenes just so I won't get pissed off at him. In some of them, the only thing that saved him from being chopped up by Lan Zhan or Wen Ning and fed to Fairy was that they both knew how much Wei Ying loved him. Insecurity + Pride combined with a sense of entitlement are a devil's brew of character traits. Jiang Cheng has them all in abundance.
OMG. @Controlled Demolition, I love you for speaking the truth. Most people just take every bad thing Jiang Cheng has ever experienced and use it to justify every bad action. He’s ever taken, like bruh.
@@karisworldgaming4832 Jiang Cheng isn't one of the real villains in this drama. That designation falls on the power-mad Wen Ruohan, his cowardly son, Wen Chao, the psycho-killer Xue Yang, the evil, ambitious puppet master, Meng Yao and his henchman Su She. However, he's closer to being "the world's worst brother" than a victim. Sure, he suffered the loss of his parents, clan and his sister, but which of the main characters didn't suffer? Wei Wuxian lost his adoptive father and clan and the sister he loved more than life itself . He even lost his life for 16 years. Nui Huisang lost his Big Brother, as did Lan Xichen. Song Lan lost the noblest, kindest friend a man could have in Xiao Xingchen. Wen Ning lost his beloved sister Wen Qing and his entire clan, save A'Yuan. Lan Zhan lost his beloved mother, many in his clan and suffered terribly over the loss of his one true love, Wei Ying, for 16 years. This novel and drama does have a way of making you sympathetic with Jiang Cheng and even, to some extent, villains like Meng Yao and Xue Yang. It's hard to listen to the Xue Yang theme song, where he laments that he just wished to have a second chance to live his life over again for Xiao Xingchen, without shedding a tear for him. It's one of the reasons it's such a great story. The characters aren't just caricatures painted in black and white. They're like imperfect people we know, in some way, so we can identify with them.
Waouh, chapeau aux producteurs de la bande dessinée! L'histoire du " Golden core" est fantastiquement bien révélée, c'est si intense!… Wen Ning est « revenu à la vie » pour ce moment ! Le noir absolu qui recouvre Jiang Cheng, après que la vérité lui a été révélée, montre tout simplement à quel point le malheureux était dans l’erreur, en ce qui concerne A-Xian. L’obscurité peut également vouloir dire, que ce pauvre Jiang Cheng comme lui avait dit Wei Ying un jour, « n’a pas changé », qu’il reste pour toujours colérique, insatisfait et…terriblement seul ! Et Lan Wandji, il est si bouleversé par ce qu’il vient d’apprendre que tout chez lui parle à/de Wei Ying : Sa voix est grave et tremblante, son regard est à la fois tendre, et attristé, ses caresses sur les joues de Wei Ying sont réconfortantes et compatissantes. Tout chez lui dit son amour pour Wei Wuxian ! Et Qu'on ne vienne pas me dire que ce n'est que de l'amitié!
J'adore tes commentaires, toujours clairs, intéressants et bien stucturés. Et je suis tout à fait d'accord. Je pense que ce moment est aussi celui où ils comprennent enfin les motivations WWX et tout ce qu'il avait à endurer. Pendant tout ce temps tout le monde pensait qu'il était arrogant mais en réalité c'est lui qui souffrait le plus... et il n'avait nullement l'intension de partager cette souffrance et comptait bien emporter ce secret dans sa tombe (pour la 2e fois). Et honnêtement c'est aussi la raison pour laquelle Wen Ning est un de mes préférés. Il est près à se sacrifier pour ceux qu'il aime et il ne va pas rester les bras croiser quand ils se font insulter. C'est tellement important pour moi que ce soit lui qui révèle la vérité. Il a également souffert à cause de JC et il n'aurait surement jamais rien dit mais il REFUSE voir WWX se faire attaquer après tout ce qu'il a fait pour les Jiang. Pour moi c'est une scène à la fois très satisfesante et très douloureuse.
@@ketsiamayenne8844 Bonjour ! J’avoue que ça fait un moment que je montre mon petit doigt. Et j’ai moi aussi découvert qu’on est quand même un petit nombre à nous intéresser à cette série animée !
The fact it shows all the characters including JC, LWJ AND WWX are flawed is the best. Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian are both messed up people. They themselves made their relationship a toxic one. Both can sacrifice their life for each other but cannot communicate for 1 sane minute. It was shijie who forced them to talk, but with her gone, everything became mess. Jiang Cheng being emotionally abused constantly by his parents resulted in his arrogant and his acute inability of understanding people's emotions and Wei Wuxian having hero syndrome became Archilles heel. Wei Wuxian being reminded he his nothing but a servant resulted in pent up emotions leading to death of his shijie and her husband.
This scene will never ever not be entirely devastating. This line is just... *chef's kiss* __Clan leader Jiang you've always been a prideful person. You spent your entire life competing against others. But did you know that you would have never been able to surpass him?__
@@fuofu7867 oh I though it was saliva at 2:09 lol, my eyes are shit sorry! Yeah ppl say that all the time in comments, and they always seem borderline homophobic
I mean, if your lover is not your best friend.. there's an issue in the relationship.. just saying. 😂 So it's ok if people only see the friendship. (Altho, China censorship really REALLY sucks! I'd give anything for someone outside China to do a version and have it follow the novel properly... )
Me duele Jiang Cheng de una forma inexplicable porque es la clase de persona que no puede soltar su pasado y vive en él o de él para tratar de recuperarlo. Culpa de todo a Wei Wuxian y siendo realista si tiene parte de la culpa en muchos de los hechos del pasado, pero no toda. Siente que le cuesta aceptar también su culpa y guarda mucho odio y resentimiento tanto contra otros como consigo mismo, ya que nunca se dio el tiempo de sanar y agarro ese rencor como impulso para avanzar. Es un personaje que duele por lo humano que es y por eso creo que su final en donghua era necesario. Ocurrieron muchos eventos en el pasado y ve que todo su odio no estuvo dirigido a la persona correcta e incluso lastimo a su hermano por ello y colaboro en matar a la única familia de su pasado. Creo que para todos sería mucho que procesar si estuviéramos en su lugar por ello se merece su tiempo de reclusion para sanar.
Jetzt hat JianCheng das was er wollte! Er kann wieder kultivieren, weil er wieder einen Golden Core hat! Doch dafür zahlt er einen hohen Preis: er hat den nun endgültig verloren, der immer für ihn da war und auf ihn aufgepasst hat, der für ihn auf den dunklen Pfad der Kultivierung ging, ja ihn sogar erschuf und ihm seinen Golden Core gab: Wei Ying. JianCheng ist so arrogant! Alles was für ihn zählt ist der Name des Clans und die Kultivierung! Was wirklich wichtig ist, interessiert ihn nicht! Und jetzt als er von Wen Ning die Wahrheit erfährt, dass der Golden Core den er in sich trägt von Wei Ying ist und er deshalb dessen Schwert benutzen kann, hat ihn ganz schön mitgenommen. Geschieht ihm Recht! Er kann weiter kultivieren, das hatte er sich gewünscht, als ihm seiner zerstört wurde. Doch nun wird ihm jedesmal wenn er kultiviert bewusst sein, das der Golden Core den er in sich hat, von Wei Ying ist. Und Wei Ying tut mir leid! Er hat schon genug gelitten und damit JianCheng, dieses arrogante sorry Arschloch wieder kultivieren kann hat er seinen Golden Core an ihm abgegeben obwohl dieser es verdient hätte fortan ohne zu sein! Dies zeigt klar und deutlich den Unterschied zwischen den beiden Männern: Wei Ying ist bereit auf seinen Golden Core zu verzichten um JianCheng das kultivieren wieder zu ermöglichen, während JianCheng das nie tun würde! Zum Glück hat Wei Ying Lan Zhan an seiner Seite, der im Gegensatz zu JianCheng Wei Ying immer zur Seite stehen und nie fallen lassen wird. Wahre Freundschaft! Und JianCheng? Hoffentlich bessert er sich jetzt da er die Wahrheit weiss doch ich befürchte dass er noch arroganter werden wird, als ohnehin schon. Und Lan Zhan? Er macht das Richtige indem er Wei Ying von dort weg bringt. Ein wahrer Freund. Alles gute Wei Ying und Lan Zhan!
All the people saying that Jc is ungrateful what did you expect ? That Jc thanks Wwx when he literally asked for nothing ?? I get that there’s lot a thing jc’s to blame for but in this scene Jc’s reaction was totally fair. I don’t think anyone would want to have a life debt to someone when you literally didn’t asked for it, then having said life debt thrown at your face in your very own house as if you had choice to begin with
Wasn't included in this clip but the scene showing Jiang Cheng leading the Wen guards away from Wei Ying was a bit of a let down. Really enjoyed the execution of the donghua throughout the series except this last scene. I remember when I read it, I was bawling but the way they showed it in the donghua didn't carry as much emotion... I would even say that people who didn't read the novel might have trouble interpreting it which is sad since it was a pretty big redeeming factor for Jiang Cheng's character. I honestly love Jiang Cheng's character from the novel but the donghua makes him seem like an angry ball of hate T-T So for anyone wondering, the quote for that scene from the novel goes like this: "What could he say? That, back then, I wasn't caught by the Wen Sect because I wanted to go back to Lotus Pier to retrieve my my parents' corpses. That, at the town we passed on our way, when you were buying food, a group of Wen Sect cultivators caught up. That, I discovered them early and left where I sat, hiding at the corner of the street and didn't get caught, but they were patrolling the streets and would soon run into you outside. That this was why I ran out and distracted them. But just like how the past Wei WuXian couldn't tell him the truth of giving him his golden core, the current Jiang Cheng wasn't able to say anything either." Depending on how you decide to interpret it, you could technically say that Jiang Cheng lost his core for Wei Ying, and Wei Ying lost his core for Jiang Cheng. They truly were the best brothers and personally, I don't think Jiang Cheng hates Wei Ying because of the death of his family, but because Wei Ying didn't stay by his side like he promised. Hope this little rant managed to convince some of the Jiang Cheng haters to like him even just a little bit more :)
Wow. Thank you. Now I really do wish the animation team could have included these significant details. It would make JC's anger more understandable. It would also make JC's tears more heart-wrenching.
There's a scene in Ep 12 that shows JC frantically running away from WY who stands in the same spot. Before reading your comment, my interpretation was "JC cries because he realizes that he himself has been running farther and farther away from WY (symbolically), not the other way around. so instead of blaming WY for not staying by his side, JC, full of regrets, now blames himself for abandoning WY" Now that you've provided these details, the scene in which JC ran away from the Wen Sect cultivators has a whole different meaning.
Me too.... Jiang Cheng is my favourite chr in the novel.... N I agree abt anime part too (´;︵;`) N it's not like JC suddenly became bad person or what he thinks is wrong.... In novel his breakdowns, struggles n helping hand towards WWX is shown. N ppl talking of that promise It's not that Jiang Cheng wanted to force WWX it's just that he feels sad about that WWX forgot about those words n he didn't give importance to it
You said what i wanted to but couldn't. It is so true JC didn't hate WY because of his family and clan killed. I feel really sorry for JC and it makes my heart wrench.
This! I hear a lot of people talking about WWX sacrificing his core, but JC was the one that sacrificed it in the first place to save WWX. Whether you like JC or not, the fact stands that if JC had not distracted the Wens, WWX would have been caught and highly likely killed/ripped of his golden core regardless, then we would have no more story
I hate that people hate jiang cheng 😭😭 are we forgetting that his family were murdered? His sect was decimated? That he was 17 when he became sect leader during a war??? Hes a dick and needs to communicate but he's not a horrible person. He misses wy and is jealous of him but you would be too if you were constantly compared to your older sibling and hated by your parents. He hasn't let go of his anger because he can't, he doesn't know how and why things happened. All he knows his that wy, his supposed brother and friend, abandoned him when jc needed him the most. And wy never apologises. He's allowed to feel angry and bitter over that betrayal. This scene only proves that jc was kept in the dark for too long. Yes he needed that reality check from wn but he doesn't deserve your hatred 😭😭😭
JC has problems, sure. But he lost his clan and his family in the midst of unparalleled and devastating turmoil and in a piecemeal fashion (unlike WY who lost his original family in a rather common and ordinary fashion). And then he even lost his brother. Granted, he lost WY himself but I think his flaws are in line with the Nie clan leader who became a fierce resentful corpse, distorted and thus able to be used, ultimately succumbing to and fermenting public opinion. I don’t like him but I can’t say that I would so much better (as him, as his father, or as his mother). I think WY forgives him his flaws because he understands this. **Ultimately I think this series can serve as testimony to engage in independent thinking and avoid becoming part of cyber violence.**
@@awildamartinez3484 if that wil ve shown then i will be very happy. Father and son reunion. Well not biological but just we all consider ayan as lan zhan and wei ying's baby boy
i don't understand why you hate him. remember jiang cheng sacrificed himself by being the bait by getting himself caught by the wen guards so that he can save wei ying from getting caught so eventually he lost his core for wei ying only. also we should understand from jiang perspective also he was always compared to wei ying that's why he had anger issues but he never stopped being a good brother he always supported wei ying. wei ying had to act like a hero when jiang clan was weak due to which jiang father and mother dies but then also jiang cheng didn't think twice before sacrificing himself for wei. then jiang cheng had to build the clan on his own and felt abandoned. also being a clan leader he has to choose between protecting his clan or supporting the wens so he has to choose his clan first. even after all the misunderstandings jiang didn't stab wei he stabbed the rock and after wei reincarnated after catching him first and then after wei released himself he just let him go. jiang cheng is a good brother who can't express himself and he also doesn't have anyone to tell wei how his golden core got lost in the first place!!
@@pratyushdash7573 I see your point but I'm hating JC from the novel not necessarily the anime or drama. JC didn't become angry because he was compared to WY. He's just like his mother, ill-tempered, JC was trying to distract the wens soldier s from finding WY because WY was out getting help for HIS sister. Unfortunately he lost his core but not for WY, On the other hand WY gave up his core without a second thought because JC is too proud. Do you think JC would have done the same.? The way he treats WY: even if he felt he couldn't help the Wens, declaring WY an enemy to the entire cultivation world ( not very brotherly,)and leading a siege against him is a bit much Also, when he first appears after WY is resurrected he basically tries to kill him (whipping him with Zidian would have killed him if he had actually been possessing Mo Xuanyu) and proceeds to threaten him with a dog( psychological torture) JGY said this (if JC had only stuck by WY then, things would not have turned out the way it did). The untamed-jc not a nice person. *when WWX comes back the first thing we hear about JC is that he is torturing people who he thinks might be WWX, it immediately sets him up as a villain. *He was torturing and killing demonic cultivators *he's literally disgusted by seeing LWJ and WY hugging. *he puts up deity-binding nets all over the hunting grounds, and the cultivators from smaller sects basically have to give up because they don't dare to offend him *Even in Lotus Pier when he is the sect leader, people tend to be afraid of him and don't want to go to him for help *doing nothing to correct Jin Ling's idea of what happened; JL thinks that WY ordered Wen Ning to kill both of his parents, when really Yanli died to protect WY *saying that Wy had sworn to stay by his side forever as his subordinate, never betraying him(WY never betrayed) *JC owes WN&WQ a debt because they save his life and help rescue his parents body but he was willing to kill them *Jiang Cheng mentions the debt that Wei Ying owes the Jiang family because they took him off the streets..wow *He uses WY relationship with LWJ to hurt him during the confrontation at Lotus Pier where WN intervene.
@@ishtarock Well said and explained 👏👏👏 actually Jc is an asshole in every adaptation but in the donghua and the live action they made him a bit more likeable however I'm still not a fan. I agree that in the novel he is way worse
@@circeamethyst3786 I can't deny that JC had a hard life but I also thought that with both his parents,sister and WY dead, he would have focus on his clan and nephew but he became more harden cruel.
PLEASE watch the live action, there is alot more panning to Lan's reaction which is incredible, I dont feel this was as powerful as it was in the live action, sorry but it just was a bit odd the way they did it here. Lans reaction in the live action is amazingly more visual and stronger, its paced out better and not rushed which is what this scene needed. This is literally the scene that is pivitoal to Wei's entire character, it is such proof of his sweet, selflessness and why he turns to Demonic Cultivation and it just felt so rushed here.
The live action is badly censored and changed too (for example wei wuxian’s grey morality was erased, they changed wen qing’s personality, they basically scapegoated Xue Yang and Jin Guangyao and made them sooo much more 1D) so just read the novel
Why do ppl hate JC soooo much.... Well according to me he is a great chr n very well written chr.... His chr is really realistic.... U can't expect him to be angelic n forgive n be grateful after all that's happened to him.... Well he is my fav chr...n it's not that I m saying that u should like JC chr or whatever it's just that JC doesn't deserve soo much hate
yes exactly!!!! this why i love mxtx's novels. she writes such realistic charcters. even the main cracters here, wangxian, she didnt make them straight up act like saints. they all have their faults, they all have regrets. jc is such a well written and complex character that people wont understand him if they just look at him through wangxian's pov, one needs to carefully read the novel in order to understand all the side chracters because all the adaptations kinda quickly rush through scenes of side characters.
JC is a char that make me dislike him, but than pity him a lot too. u can see his weakness, but u can also see his love for his brother. he is a very much misunderstood character. i dont know if its just me, but at the end when WY was lead into a trap where he pulled out his "suibian" sword that exposed him as wei wu xian, u see JC grabbing his fist and getting mad. at this point he already knew he was WWX, i feel like i could just imagine his own dialouge scolding WWX for stupidly getting caught and exposed. when everyone started attacking LZ and WY, he actually let them run past without stopping them.
Original novel ofc but its already the original source. I think Audio Drama always the best adaptation because it's very close to the novel. But I really appreciate the Donghua's too.
Both have their charms...the animation was pretty fierce and one allowed more than others. Take them as separately wonderful as I do. It is still a point in a epic story both conveyed well in understanding. One has more license so can't really be apples to apples.
Live havent had a chance to read the novel waiting for it to come to uk, use I could read online but I want my money to go to the author, the live actions facial expressions, Lans reaction just hit hard, here it felt a bit rushed.
I think the live action made a wonderful job, with the voices and expressions. I didn't feel anything in particular in this donghua scene, it was a waste.
Me da cosa JC no es mala persona. Sufrió mucho y no puede olvidar todo lo que pasó, creo en realidad, nadie podría. Y Que WWX se siga preocupando así por él a pesar de que su relación este tan rota. Por deos. ( Que lindo que es La Zhan cuidandolo ❤️)
JC was always jealous of WY. He lost his core simply because he was being impulsive and not thinking. WY deserved a better brother. JC was too quick to judge WY when he came back both times (in the battle field with Wen Clan and his resurrection) without asking himself why he (WY) was so different and what changed. Hell when everything hit the fan and all the clans went after WY, JC was there as well. For someone who claimed to love him, he was super quick to turn on him. JC is not a bad character, however he is not someone I would count on for support if things are unclear. Wen Ning was right, some people say they like the live action version, but in my opinion, this was better and it needed to be said. A brutal harsh truth was maybe the only way to really get through to JC. The way I see it is if JC is quick to dish out some hurtful things, then he should be man enough to take it right back 🤷🏾♀️
well he did act on impulse to save wwx from those wen sect dudes back then so we cant really say he didnt sacrifice anything for wwx and plus he only turned his back to wwx when his sister died until then he tried to back him up at every chance possible and yeah i wont deny the fact that he did have feelings of jealousy towards wy.
For me JC is really an unlikable character, he never really loved Wei Ying otherwise he would stayed with him till the end. He is selfish, ungrateful and easy to manipulate and his inferiority complex didn't help either. Glad he ended alone, and that he has to live knowing the awful person he is
@@lolakawaiiable well he didn't stay with wei ying because jiang clan was a newly made clan which can't go against all the big clans on its own. just think jiang cheng also sacrificed himself by becoming the bait and getting caught by the wen guards and save wei from getting caught and also that's why his golden core got lost in the first place. just think wei always acts on impulse he tried to be a hero when he knew jiang clan wasn't strong and that's why jiang parents got killed even after that jiang cheng sacrificed himself for wei. and also being a clan leader he has to think about his clan first like everyone will do. and jiang was n't actually against wei he at first was just in the notion of supporting other clans to imprison wens but then when his brother in law died because of wei ying he then got angry on wei.
i don't know why people even comment if they haven't watched the show properly. jiang cheng got caught because he let himself become the bait to save wei from getting caught. and then jiang cheng made the clan by himself and the newly made jiang clan can't go against all the clans on its own. being the clan leader he has to choose his clan. and jc never hated wei he always supported him even after constantly getting compared to him he didn't turn evil. he was just a good brother who can't express himself and he doesn't have anyone to tell wei how he sacrificed himself for him.
@@pratyushdash7573 Sounds like excuses to me, nobody said that he had to abandon his clan but he could let WY be, he didn't have to take the side of the enemies of WY but he chose to, so yeah that makes him an awful brother. Also no, JC's parents didn't die because WY tried to be a hero, even JC knows that and mentions it in the novel. That was just an excuse JC told to himself but later on he admits that the Wens were determined to kill his clan in one way or another. The golden core thing well JC did not only save Wei Ying with that, he saved his sister too and himself because without WY and the help of the Wen he would have died and that's another fact. Is totally fine that you like Jc but don't makeup arguments to defend him because the novel is very clear and explains everything. Also you shouldn't assume that other people didn't watch the show properly just because you have a different opinion
드라마에선 그렇지만 원작소설, 애니에서 강징은 위영에게 직접적으로 해를 끼친게 없어요. 어렸을때부터 비교당하고 열등감을 느껴도 친구로서 잘 지내려고 노력을 많이 했습니다. 도륙현무때 어른들을 데려와 위영을 살리기도 했고 그것때문에 가문이 멸망했지만 사도를 익힌 위영을 가문의 일원으로 인정해주기도 했습니다. 가문을 나갔을때도 찾아와줬고요. 강징도 화가 날 수 있는 입장이고 서로 빚을 주고 받은 관계인거죠. 강징은 (고의는 아니지만) 위영이 일으킨 사건으로 엄마 아빠 사제들 가문의 수하들 누나 누나의남편 모두 잃었어요. 그리고도 이정도면 강징도 진짜 착한거에요. ㅠㅠ 미움과 사랑은 가를 수가 없다. 나는 강징의 마음이 이해돼요. 미워하고 싶지만 미워할 수 없는
Creo que en esta escena Jiang Cheng esta viendo su poder espiritual, por eso ve la imagen de Wei Ying al fondo, mientras escucha a Wen Ning. Siento que rompe algo en el espíritu de este, por eso cuando los sigue al final para detenerlos antes de que partan, todo el pabellón se llena de energía roja.
La premiere fois que j’ai fini mdzs c’était 1 an avant l’existence du Covid et continue tjrs à pleurer pour JC peu importe combien de fois je re-regarde cette scène peu importe l’adaptation.
I think the last of what WN said to JC about never being able to compare to WWX was very out of character for him. I dont believe that he has in him to say something like that. I was with him up until that moment. This was such an important scene and I think I prefer the way the live action did it. But in most cases I prefer the donghua to the live action, especially the depiction of Yiling laz / WWX.
Well believe it because it happens in the novel too so is canon, Wen Ning is not who he was before now he can speak his mind and he is not afraid anymore. Seems like you forget that he and his sister literally saved JC but what did they get in return?, the answer is nothing so he has all the right to say what he said and he is not lying either, the truth is that JC owes the Wens his own life. You can like JC and be biased and all but trying to blame Wen Ning is out of place. What he did is called character development and btw the drama is the least accurate adaptation of the original story
Wei Ying fulfilled his promise to Jiang Cheng's Mother first the elder. He saved him at ANY COST. The cost was their brothership, clanship & rival freindship. JC was never going to ever be greater than WY he always knew it everyone did...that is part of his anger. The fact he was so good in later years was because the core was Wei's to make him be nearly up to HanGuang-Jun level because WY and LZ were nearly equals. Another tough life pill to swallow for the leader. Wei Ying could not keep his promise to Jiang Cheng because of the promise he kept to his clan leader all those years ago. Quite sad if you really think about the timeline.
@@jimruby5126 We are on the same page nods it is so rich in culture, dynamics, cross storytelling, past, present and future influences. It is woven tale of many sides like a gem 💎shining in the light🕯 depending on where you shine it the brilliancy shows a different shimmer color and design. 😊 I have enjoyed learning about the style I have always learned about country dynamics culturally. It truly is masterful piece of literary work. I am just glad it was shared and translated!
This scene is pure poetic. Whoever visualized and expressed Jiang Cheng's world collapsed once again deserve some kind of visual award. Except the debris, I can found Madam Yu's hair crown and the Jiang's bell floating around, they were all gone.
the director is amazing
What some of you might not know is that the reason JC lost his core was WY at first place. He baited himself to Wens to save Wei Ying and Wei Ying sacrificed his own core because he knew Jiang Cheng’s dreams would crush and he wouldnt be a leader without his cultivation. They both sacrificed so much for each other that it actually hurts seeing them so close yet so far
Didn't jiang cheng lose his core, because he was impatient and rushed to killed wen chao alone, while wei wuxian was shopping? Then he was captured by wens, tortured and wen zhuliu crushed his core
@@kontiimanalatit8987 The anime doesn't show what the manga does as clearly. Some soldiers had recognized Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng overhead them talking about going and grabbing him. So he ran to distract them and try to protect Wei Wuxian.
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It's shown in the anime too, though it's not explicitly stated so I guess it's easy to miss.
When Jiang Cheng reflects back on the moment, you can see that he is calmly waiting and then notices Wen clan members. Then he suddenly runs out in clear sight of them, not even attempting to sneak away, and they run after him.
What's implied here is that Jiang Cheng realized that bc WWX was out shopping, they would find him first. So Jiang Cheng purposefully made the Wens see him so that they would chase after him, thus leading them away from where WWX was.
The next part is just my speculation (idk if it's said in the novel), but knowing how the Wens work, it is also veeery likely they interrogated, threatened and tortured Jiang Cheng about where WWX was. Since they didn't return for WWX, that means Jiang stayed silent.
The Untamed live action showed that Jiang Cheng was out wandering around the streets and happened to see Wei Ying about to get caught by the guards searching for him. So Jiang Cheng decided to sacrifice himself to save Wei Ying. In a voice-over he even says, "Take care of my sister. I'll leave her to you." meaning that he knows he's going to die if he baits the guards to go after him. So he's sacrificing his own life to save Wei Ying's who will then protect his sister from that point on. He didn't expect Wei Ying to do the same for him (give his Golden Core to him). Jiang Cheng doesn't tell Wei Ying what he did for him and Wei Ying didn't tell Jiang Cheng what he did for him either. The two are really quite a lot alike in that aspect. They care for eachother enough to sacrifice eachother for the other one. But don't want to tell them that bc they don't want them to feel like they owe the other person. It made the viewers and Wei Ying think that Jiang Cheng was simply impatient and rushed out to kill the Wens. But then revealed the truth to the viewers (not to Wei Ying which is a shame) about what really happened.@@kontiimanalatit8987
The golden core scene is very well adapted for animation!!! Colors, music, emotions... Ahhh so good!!!!
I've seen a lot of people get upset about the JC scene, but I think it's adapted very closely to the novel. I don't know why those who read the novel were so surprised :/
JC needs time, yes it's true. He has to reflect on his own mistakes and decisions, and then move on.
WWX and JC have never had the same morale, and JC always wanted WWX to be his subordinate. That's not what WWX is, that's not what he wants.
WWX is very happy with LWJ, they have the same values, see each other as equals and understand each other very well.
Reconciliation is not always necessary. I think sometimes it's better without reconciliation.
All adaptations of the core reveal (bar manhua because we’re not there yet) were really good. I’m not going to compare which one better or what’s accurate because the animation consciously took a slightly different take in terms of the timeline that changes the tone it’s set and the resulting in a much more bitter resolution for Jiang Cheng. I do like it going deep into the symbolism of what was going on his mind. It’s a mess of confusion, chaos and debris of memories, emotions and things past and you can’t rebuild anything with that around. As painful as it is, by knowing the truth it flushed out the confusing chaos and turned it into emptiness. It’s painful to restart, however emptiness, can be filled again, this time with stronger foundations. He released it all by taking it out on Wei Ying as a consequence and symbolising he has to let him go as well to fully heal. I do feel like many others feel raw emotions about this. Some might dislike this version of Jiang Cheng for taking his vitriol out on Wei Ying when he was so weak and vulnerable but people forget he has only just found out and has not had opportunity to process it at all. The key factor here is time. He had time to reflect in the other adaptations. At least a few days but here he literally just found out, things were going to be raw and bitter so his opportunity to confront and have an honest talk with Wei Ying couldn’t be done. They can’t give their apologies, that’s why it hurts so much more. I would’ve liked a special episode or something to allow that reconciliation to happen but for now, I‘ll go reread/rewatch/re-listen to the other adaptations to ease the pain of this scene. It is beautifully done. Painful but beautiful
@@yellowsoy2475 where can you hear the story being read to you? I would like to as well.
Exactly sometimes it’s best to just let go. ❤️❤️
It's my first time experiencing this story and sad as it is, I think if reconcilliation is possible it has to be Jiang Cheng who reaches out and admits fault. It's his stubborn pride and inferiority complex making it impossible for him to ever admit to having done the wrong thing, to having betrayed his brother long before Wuxian betrayed him. He still longs for that last connection to his family, but won't be satisfied unless Wuxian takes all the blame and grovels for forgiveness so he can finally feel superior. It's remarkably human, like a story we've all heard from others families or our own, so I'm really impressed with the author.
Him going into seclusion and leaving Jin Ling alone out there to deal with the aftermath is very OOC tho...
Wen Ning did not hold back and I love him for it
He has done so much for others
Same here 👏👏
Jiang Cheng is one of my favorite characters in anything ever. He’s so complex. He loves his brother. He isn’t allowed to love his brother, so he’s angry at him. He discovers that the thing that tore him from his brother is entirely the result of his brother making a unfathomably selfless sacrifice FOR HIM. All that time, all those years spent being angry and making the wrong choices simply because Wei Wuxian didn’t TELL him about the core transfer. He’s made awful mistakes he can never take back, all out of love and duty and stress. He’s EXTREMELY human and fallible and such a compelling character.
I love this scene. How it visualizes Jiang Cheng’s entire worldview collapsing around him, how even though it is, he chooses to stand up and bear the weight of it; and then collapses to his knees when Wei Wuxian gets further away from him once again, as a result of Jiang Cheng’s own actions.
Absolutely gut wrenching.
It's so heartbreaking that both Lan Zhan and Wei Wuxian, had to discover each's other painful past by word of a third party because they don't want to make the other one worry even more 🥺💔😭 THEY LOVE EACH OTHER SO MUCH!!!
fr this ffs they never speak of their own pain
In novel after hearing his suffering and pain lan zhan says: my weiying is the bravest person i have ever met 😭😭
This is why Wei ying is the best of us, if my sibling keeps spitting bullshit at me because of his pride after everything I've been through for him then am done. It just show what poor parental figures he had. To make someone feel so worthless to this point is emotional abuse
Bruh, sameeee. I love my siblings, but I have my limits.
Jiang cheng isn't evil person though we can't deny he always has been missed any chances to be straightforward to himself due to his environment back in he was a child and teen as well as his hot temper. Actually his father already knew Wei Wuxian is better than him in terms of personality also braveness.
Between his childhood insecurities thinking his father loved Wei more than him, that Wei was better at swords and cultivation than him..
The anger of his mother about the "possible bastard love child" .. and the fact that Wei's temperament was better. .. over time all he could see was that Wei chose everyone else over him. Standing up for everyone back in the cave against the Wens, later choosing to save the Wen branch.. and the General opinion of the masses who seem to jump on any blame bandwagon and it's no wonder Jiang Cheng is such an angry whiny Bi*ch.
@@breannbubolz6583 Right u saying. Although we can learn one lesson from this masterpiece donghua(Chinese animation), "Don't judge everything of someone with the first impression. ( Ex: Wen Ning, Wen Qing, Nie Huaisang, Wei Wuxian, Lan Zhan as well as all members who had set Wei Ying up like Su She also some Jin clan members. Furthermore, despite of his aggressive words, Jiang Cheng's heart isn't strong enough to acknowledge his mistake. )
@@breannbubolz6583 jiang cheng’s behavior stems from his mother. She had insecurities and trust issues with her husband and took it out on the children. She compared her son to weiying too much which cause jiang cheng’s inferiority complex. Also I think it’s the mother’s fault for having jiang cheng’s sister marry into the Jin clan. She chose the wrong husband for her daughter. If the marriage never happened, jinling wouldn’t have become like he is.
@@bubblez8604 Partly. She herself was in a bad relationship... She came from a big clan/sect in a different region and basically forced the marriage. And her knowing that her husband was good friends with another woman (that woman being married or not does not matter) made her hate the child of that woman all the more. In her sick mind, she thought her husband loved the "bastard" more than his own son and that's why she was always comparing. Jiang Cheng himself had a complex.. he hates to feel less than others, but he is always made to feel that way due to Wei Yings actions. It's a complicated and Tangled mess of family dinamics. He's (Jiang Cheng) still a whiny Bi*ch! 😂
@@breannbubolz6583 I think she made the relationship bad herself. Her husband seem to be the one that tries to fix the relationship like do something she likes, but she’s so cold that every time she sees weiying she’s not in the mood. Jiang cheng’s mom should be the whiny one. But I think the parents weren’t that bad at first if they were willing to have 2 kids. They must have liked each other at some point. But then when weiying came along. She made it seem like weiying is the one that wreck their family since he’s a troublemaker. She never gave any love to her son or daughter until she know she was about to die. A cold woman at heart. She created jiang cheng as the whiny one so it’s still mostly her fault. Her toxicity created part of jiang cheng’s personality
OMG what a tear jerking moment. Wen Ning going there like a boss and telling him everything about his golden core . So much emotion in everyone’s face . Why heart hurts for Wei Ying and Lan Zhan 😭
Yes...yes...YES!!!!!! Waiting for this moment🥺😭 . Hats off Wen Ning 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 and Lan Wangji , he's so much in love with his Wei Ying 🥺🥺💞...
wen ning's explanation is so much harsher in the donghua than in the drama. "little did you know that you would've never have been able to surpass him." like damn. and then you have the live-action, where it seemed like wen ning was angrily begging JC to understand
@@alexthefangirl6136 even in the novel its not harsh as this right? if i remember correctly that line you quoted never appeared in the novel
I thought this before when watching all the season's again, but this really hit me saying 'Wei Yin has done so much for others'. Finally the truth.😭🤧
I remembered crying when I saw Lan Zhan cried for Wei Ying in the live action version. It was truly sad although I knew all along that Wei Ying gave up his golden core.
I'm so proud of Wen ning, he was just a shy boy back then but now that he lost pretty much everything he has confidence to speak his mind but still keeping his warm heart. JC needed to know this, he is always acting so cocky but without WY he would had died, he needed a dose of humility because he thinks he is above everyone but in fact he isn't. I know that is not just his fault, he grew with a lot of insecurities thanks to his parents but his character never developed, he is stuck in the past and he became evil torturing innocent people just because he was obsessed with Wwx. He is also extremely ungrateful after all the things the Wen siblings did for him he didn't move a finger when they were killed, so yeah Wen Ning owes nothing to him is actually the opposite and I'm so glad that he told him the things as they are, like it or not he will never be on Wei Ying's level, he doesn't have the strength, the resilience, the ability or the intelligence and most important he doesn't have his heart. Thanks to his pride he lost everyone and he is a lonely and bitter man that no one wants to get close to, he made unforgettable mistakes and he has to live with it, is too late for him now he wasted too much time hating, caring about other's opinions and sinking in resentment and self pity
@Sagarika Mohapatra I read the novel so I actually know and in the novel I dislike him even more, he is a bad brother and yeah his parents made his insecurities even worse but is not entirely their fault, JC is a grown man now but he is still really immature. Is ok if you have a different perspective and all but the things that he did have no justification or redemption for me
@Sagarika Mohapatra Well you should because of you arguments are a bit off and in the donghua and the drama they don't explain the situation that well, they even changed some parts. He is indeed a bad brother but if you can't see it there's nothing I can do
@Sagarika Mohapatra Save Wei Ying from getting caught when he was the one that put him in that situation lol. We can't discuss this properly if you haven't read the novel and look if trying to kill your brother is the definition of a good brother for you that's fucked up but ok I guess, that's your opinion
@Sagarika Mohapatra He tried to kill Wei Wuxian three times, for things that he knew were not his brother's fault. He dishonored the debts he owed others, but never let up screaming about every tiniest thing he believed, often falsely, due to him. And then he blamed the victims of his own lack of honor. His own people fear him for his cruelty. That one moment where he drew off the Wen was the ONLY good thing he did in his life.
it isnt that he doesnt care or he is ungrateful. he's the leader of the clan and he often finds himself in impossible situation. to put it short, he puts his clan first above everything else (even WY), he resents WY so much because WY didnt. instead of placing the clan first, WY always choose to do what he thinks is the right thing to do. in a way, it feels like a betrayal, that WY is choosing to side outsider instead of the Jiang Clan. there was a part when they were both arguing agressively and JC said it clearly in the end, that if WY does not follow what the crowd wants, than JC is unable to protect him anymore. JC is doing everything he can to protect him from the other clans, but WY is doing the exact opposite. everything that WY does is making him the enemy. i guess it's like WY is extremely courageous to the point that he dont care even if everyone sees him as an enemy. but JC is just a man with weakness, he is just not as heroic or brave like WY.
Animation is really out of earth ! They really did a great job for all the key parts and tiny details
after watching this animation, i actually cant watch untame. feel that the live drama lacks so much.
i loved the way they visualised this scene, I cried the first time I watched it. My heart goes out to every character in this scene.
I cried so much watching the same scene in the series and also here , wei yings sacrifice shows how much his brother meant to him 😢
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One thing I never understood is why Jiang Cheng thinks Wei Ying owes him anything... He already paid for everything he did by dying once.
So how hard can it be for a person to just let go...
Afterall he was the one who let Wei Ying go the first time.... Why expect him to stay at all now?
Jiang Cheng really is too prideful for his own good.
And I absolutely love how Wen Ning told him how he could never surpass Wei Ying...
Go OFF Wen Ning!!!
드라마에선 그렇지만 원작소설, 애니에서 강징은 위영에게 해를 끼친게 없어요. 어렸을때부터 비교당하고 열등감을 느껴도 친구로서 잘 지내려고 노력을 많이 했습니다. 도륙현무때 어른들을 데려와 위영을 살리기도 했고 그것때문에 가문이 멸망했지만 사도를 익힌 위영을 가문의 일원으로 인정해주기도 했습니다. 가문을 나갔을때도 찾아와줬고요. 강징도 화가 날 수 있는 입장이고 서로 빚을 주고 받은 관계인거죠. 강징은 (고의는 아니지만) 위영이 일으킨 사건으로 엄마 아빠 사제들 가문의 수하들 누나 누나의남편 모두 잃었어요. 그리고도 이정도면 강징도 진짜 착한거에요. ㅠㅠ 미움과 사랑은 가를 수가 없다. 나는 강징의 마음이 이해돼요. 미워하고 싶지만 미워할 수 없는.
I agree with what you're saying 100%.
In my opinion, I think Jiang Cheng has been angry all these years not because he felt Wei Ying owes him anything (which he does from time to time as he still views WY as his subordinate), but I think his problem is that he has never been able to let go of the dream he dreamt of being the Clan Leader and having his brother WY by his side.
He felt abandoned by WY when WY left the Jiang Clan to save the refugees of the Wen Clan, especially as he was still processing his grief of losing his mother and his father. He never understood that WY wasn't doing it to "abandon" JC, WY was doing it because he also once was a helpless homeless kid living on the streets and if it hadn't been for Jiang Fengmian, he wouldn't have made it this far in life. So he feels the need to protect helpless people as he sees himself in them.
If only WY and JC were able to communicate with each other and understand each other's perspectives. If only WY was able to tell JC the truth about the golden core and his practising demonic cultivation. If only JC had stood by his brother and realised that even though WY was extremely powerful, the newly built Jiang Clan's leader supporting WY would've greatly helped WY and silenced a lot of the haters.....
I think WY and JC's tale is the most tragic in the entire novel/show/donghua. I get soooo angry and then I feel a deep sadness at how tragic and desperate their tale was. 😭😭😭
Friends reading all your comments is making he cry. All the comments are true. JC always wanted wei by is side. Even when were young JC has helped wei in many ways. Actually I think jc didn't want wei to be with lz.
But what can one do to the heart, and the loved ones. Wei has to follow is husband lz.
He lost EVERYTHING, that never stops hurting, his mother, his father, his sister and home.
No matter what good Wei did he gave the Wens the excuse they needed to attack Lotus cove.
So many people died for him to do the right thing and I adore Wei I do but by god Cheng spent his entire life living in Wei's shadow, lost everything to him, saw his mother and fathers relationship struggle since Wei was bought home and thats NOT something you can just let go, all he asked in return was Wei joined him at his side and he didnt even do that.
So hell yes Wei owes him. He dragged him through hell, through shame and caused him to lose all and have to rebuild alone, damned straight he has a good reason to hurt.
I dont think many people look at how everything Wei does affect Cheng as a clan leader and brother, as he keeps having to answer for him or apologize for him and that gets old real fast.
@Blue Raspberry Cat I understand that loosing a family member hurts, and it may never stop hurting, but it does get better with time as people learn to deal with their loss. Also, how is JC’s parents fighting when his dad brought WY home WY’s fault? What was he supposed to do? Where else could he have gone? Was he supposed to be sorry for being born? That is not in his control. As for the attack on Lotus Pier, the Wen’s probably would have attacked regardless, as long as JC’s parents put up any kind of resistance to the Wens’ demands. JC’s sister and her husband dying wasn’t necessarily WY’s fault, as he could normally control his demonic cultivation just fine. It was only when the tiger amulet was corrupted and he was set up by JG that things went awry. Yes, WY did have plenty of mishaps and screw ups where JC had to pick up after him, but I think you are letting WY carry way more of the blame for JC’s problems than is warranted. And yes, JC does have the right to be upset, but getting angry at WY and pushing him away now isn’t going to help the situation or their relationship at all, and from what I have seen, it isn’t making JC feel any better.
This is definitely the 😭😭😭 #1 ugly crying moment, when Wen Ning spilled the beans.
Living with a complex.....I know how that feels, Jiang Cheng. It's ugly....eats you up from inside...doesn't let you breathe....
Lan Zhan es el hombre más importante en la vida de Wei Ying, ya sea como amigo y en realidad pareja. Pero Wen Ning tiene una lealtad que va incluso más allá de la muerte. Él y su hermana fueron mis personajes favoritos de Mo Dao Zu Shi!
Como duele esta escena 💔😭
Imaginar por todo lo que paso Wei Ying, el dolor que sintió, me parte el corazón 😭😭
Y no me imagino el dolor que siente Jiang Cheng al enterarse de toda la verdad 🤧🤧
Lan zhan please don't let this boy go out of your care..he need someone to love him. Please dont let him go like untamed😭
He only let him go so he could truly find himself. They were already married. Wei needed to be himself in the world see what he wanted to see...for me they both had unfinished business separately and then when Lan Zhan felt it was time, he tracked him again. Found him and after listening to him play their song...he called out to him and when Wei Ying turned around he knew they would never again be separated because they were both ready to have life be theirs....their dream. It was quite beautiful and joyfully tearful!😭😊💞
@@n0r7h3rn2 even though that was not in series meanwhile i already make them married and have kid in my imagination..but if they separate them..i will fly to china find director and beat him until he cry like i have cried😭😭 i just everytime change my mind watching untamed because of tragic ending..they should take care of audience we could have heart attack😁 because of that
@@sangitathami2570 😂🤣💞 I Feel the spirit!🤭 Blame censorship indeed very sad to silence the voices of many for a few in power.
Untamed is same as the novel
Pay respect to the original
@@rebekablackwood well without paying respect how could we love the show..we love the show and our love is respect and when did you find me not giving respect?🙏
Let’s not say Wen Ning didn’t have rights to pop off 😭
I’m blown away by the donghua’s depiction of this scene
哭死我了😭😭😭淚流滿面😭😭😭
Here's how I see it. JC's relationship with WWX in the beginning was good, but as JC was the youngest sibling, he began to rely too heavily on his adopted brother. It's almost as if he had Borderline Personality Disorder. He was obsessed with the promise WWX made and when he returned from the dead, was in the mindset of "if I can't have him, no one can", not in a romantic way, but as he wanted to be the one WWX smiled at and was comfortable around. It became more and more toxic as time went on and Lan Zhan knew this, which was why he protected WWX from JC. JC wanted WWX to be as miserable as he was. However, Wen Ning also came up in WWX's defense and laid a truth bomb of many right to his face as if smacking him down a few pegs to show where his pride (the floating objects around JC in the vision) came crashing down. The old saying is "Pride Goeth before the Fall" and that vision was JC's pride shattering and at that moment, WWX finally decided to leave all the toxicity behind him and go with the light (Lan Zhan) to better himself and let JC wallow in the mess he created.
jiang cheng isn't swallow but he was made to be like this because of his parenting and constant comparison. even after so much he was always the good brother of wei ying he didn't turn evil. he is just a good brother who can't express himself properly
Those are some damn good graphics I swear the goose bumps ~damn~
Ghost general. The slayer of truth
One of my favorite moments in the donghua. Makes watching the whole thing worth it.
I love Wen Ning!
it this bit made me cry when reading the novel and it's so well done here it made me cry all over again
Nunca superare está parte, me dueles jiang cheng.
best anime ever: Mo Dao Zu ... the novel is very good too. Love it!
Donghua actually
Donghua: China
Anime: Japón
It's hard to grow up un the shadow of greatness when your mother demands perfection from you. However, lets summarize Jiang Cheng's actions once he became clan leader.
1. He blamed Wei Wuxian for the attack on Lotus Cove even though it was obvious the Wens were attacking everyone.
2. He blamed Wei Wuxian for leaving the clan when he made it a choice between leaving and protecting Wen Qing, Wen Ning and the other innocent Wens or joining him in war crimes and genocide. WWX was hardly going to help anyone kill Wen Qing and Wen Ning, who had risked everything to save him and JC.
3. He blamed Wei Wuxian for the death of Jin Zixuan and Shije even though he was only defending himself.
4. He led the charge to murder innocent people and spent 16 years hating Wei Wuxian with a passion. You could say it was love/hate, but he tried to hurt or kill him several times.
NOW, he finds out that Jin Guangyao, with the help of Xue Yang and Su She, framed Wei Wuxian in the deaths of Jin Zixuan, Shije and the others that died and tried to kill virtually everyone in the mountain. He finds out that Wei Wuxian HAD to give up the sword because he had given him his golden core.
What's his reaction? Does he swallow his pride and say, "I'm sorry and thank you"? Hell, no. He tells him he hates him even more because he's always been too good and too selfless.
I scratch my head at the fans of this drama who like him and respect him. I can go with "feel sorry for him", but he's lethally toxic. In the end, we hope he comes to grips with his many mistakes and forgives himself, but as far as WWX moving on and leaving him behind, I can't feel too bad about that.
Dude THANK YOU. I honestly thought it was clear that JC was an antagonist that you weren’t supposed to like because he spent so long in his past and trauma that he never grew as a person. He even let JL believe every single lie about WWX because he was that insecure! JC admitted later that he knew deep down that WWX was innocent but needed someone to be angry at, which makes everything he did even more fucked up- but he’s a “great brother” apparently :/ JC’s not fun to think about vs every other character in the novel
@@akaylowery6939 He is hard to watch after he becomes the clan leader. You keep hoping he'll stop being such an angry, violent, bitter, resentful idiot, but it doesn't happen. Sometimes, when I rewatch, I skip his scenes just so I won't get pissed off at him. In some of them, the only thing that saved him from being chopped up by Lan Zhan or Wen Ning and fed to Fairy was that they both knew how much Wei Ying loved him.
Insecurity + Pride combined with a sense of entitlement are a devil's brew of character traits. Jiang Cheng has them all in abundance.
OMG. @Controlled Demolition, I love you for speaking the truth. Most people just take every bad thing Jiang Cheng has ever experienced and use it to justify every bad action. He’s ever taken, like bruh.
@@karisworldgaming4832 Jiang Cheng isn't one of the real villains in this drama. That designation falls on the power-mad Wen Ruohan, his cowardly son, Wen Chao, the psycho-killer Xue Yang, the evil, ambitious puppet master, Meng Yao and his henchman Su She. However, he's closer to being "the world's worst brother" than a victim. Sure, he suffered the loss of his parents, clan and his sister, but which of the main characters didn't suffer? Wei Wuxian lost his adoptive father and clan and the sister he loved more than life itself . He even lost his life for 16 years. Nui Huisang lost his Big Brother, as did Lan Xichen. Song Lan lost the noblest, kindest friend a man could have in Xiao Xingchen. Wen Ning lost his beloved sister Wen Qing and his entire clan, save A'Yuan. Lan Zhan lost his beloved mother, many in his clan and suffered terribly over the loss of his one true love, Wei Ying, for 16 years.
This novel and drama does have a way of making you sympathetic with Jiang Cheng and even, to some extent, villains like Meng Yao and Xue Yang. It's hard to listen to the Xue Yang theme song, where he laments that he just wished to have a second chance to live his life over again for Xiao Xingchen, without shedding a tear for him. It's one of the reasons it's such a great story. The characters aren't just caricatures painted in black and white. They're like imperfect people we know, in some way, so we can identify with them.
@@controlleddemolition9112 That depends on how you see it. I never said he was a villain, but everyone has their own opinion.
Beautiful and beautiful and beautiful and beautiful
Waouh, chapeau aux producteurs de la bande dessinée! L'histoire du " Golden core" est fantastiquement bien révélée, c'est si intense!… Wen Ning est « revenu à la vie » pour ce moment !
Le noir absolu qui recouvre Jiang Cheng, après que la vérité lui a été révélée, montre tout simplement à quel point le malheureux était dans l’erreur, en ce qui concerne A-Xian. L’obscurité peut également vouloir dire, que ce pauvre Jiang Cheng comme lui avait dit Wei Ying un jour, « n’a pas changé », qu’il reste pour toujours colérique, insatisfait et…terriblement seul !
Et Lan Wandji, il est si bouleversé par ce qu’il vient d’apprendre que tout chez lui parle à/de Wei Ying : Sa voix est grave et tremblante, son regard est à la fois tendre, et attristé, ses caresses sur les joues de Wei Ying sont réconfortantes et compatissantes. Tout chez lui dit son amour pour Wei Wuxian ! Et Qu'on ne vienne pas me dire que ce n'est que de l'amitié!
Une française !! Enfin
J'adore tes commentaires, toujours clairs, intéressants et bien stucturés.
Et je suis tout à fait d'accord. Je pense que ce moment est aussi celui où ils comprennent enfin les motivations WWX et tout ce qu'il avait à endurer. Pendant tout ce temps tout le monde pensait qu'il était arrogant mais en réalité c'est lui qui souffrait le plus... et il n'avait nullement l'intension de partager cette souffrance et comptait bien emporter ce secret dans sa tombe (pour la 2e fois).
Et honnêtement c'est aussi la raison pour laquelle Wen Ning est un de mes préférés. Il est près à se sacrifier pour ceux qu'il aime et il ne va pas rester les bras croiser quand ils se font insulter. C'est tellement important pour moi que ce soit lui qui révèle la vérité. Il a également souffert à cause de JC et il n'aurait surement jamais rien dit mais il REFUSE voir WWX se faire attaquer après tout ce qu'il a fait pour les Jiang.
Pour moi c'est une scène à la fois très satisfesante et très douloureuse.
@@ketsiamayenne8844 Bonjour ! J’avoue que ça fait un moment que je montre mon petit doigt. Et j’ai moi aussi découvert qu’on est quand même un petit nombre à nous intéresser à cette série animée !
@@nailisee Merci, pour tes compliments ! Et pour la suite de ton commentaire, je souscris totalement !
We cant blame anyone at this point 🥺
The fact it shows all the characters including JC, LWJ AND WWX are flawed is the best. Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian are both messed up people. They themselves made their relationship a toxic one. Both can sacrifice their life for each other but cannot communicate for 1 sane minute. It was shijie who forced them to talk, but with her gone, everything became mess. Jiang Cheng being emotionally abused constantly by his parents resulted in his arrogant and his acute inability of understanding people's emotions and Wei Wuxian having hero syndrome became Archilles heel. Wei Wuxian being reminded he his nothing but a servant resulted in pent up emotions leading to death of his shijie and her husband.
This is really a painful scene 😭
The visuals in this scene are simply astounding.
This scene will never ever not be entirely devastating.
This line is just... *chef's kiss*
__Clan leader Jiang you've always been a prideful person. You spent your entire life competing against others. But did you know that you would have never been able to surpass him?__
Looking for this scene,a painful truth.💔😢😭😭
Strong and emotional scene!
LZ wiping WY’s saliva away 😭 and also this at 2:21. For the ppl that say “ThEY’rE jUsT BrOs”…yeah no, bros don’t do these things, only lovers do 😅
That's blood xD
Wait?! Wut?! There's people who said that?!
@@fuofu7867 oh I though it was saliva at 2:09 lol, my eyes are shit sorry! Yeah ppl say that all the time in comments, and they always seem borderline homophobic
@@fuofu7867 yep there are comments even in this clip here saying "true friendship" , "lz best friend" etc. Shhhhh don't tell them.. 😂
I mean, if your lover is not your best friend.. there's an issue in the relationship.. just saying. 😂 So it's ok if people only see the friendship. (Altho, China censorship really REALLY sucks! I'd give anything for someone outside China to do a version and have it follow the novel properly... )
The ignorant people that say that probably don't know about the novel, or China's censorship so they are clowns
Me duele Jiang Cheng de una forma inexplicable porque es la clase de persona que no puede soltar su pasado y vive en él o de él para tratar de recuperarlo. Culpa de todo a Wei Wuxian y siendo realista si tiene parte de la culpa en muchos de los hechos del pasado, pero no toda. Siente que le cuesta aceptar también su culpa y guarda mucho odio y resentimiento tanto contra otros como consigo mismo, ya que nunca se dio el tiempo de sanar y agarro ese rencor como impulso para avanzar. Es un personaje que duele por lo humano que es y por eso creo que su final en donghua era necesario. Ocurrieron muchos eventos en el pasado y ve que todo su odio no estuvo dirigido a la persona correcta e incluso lastimo a su hermano por ello y colaboro en matar a la única familia de su pasado. Creo que para todos sería mucho que procesar si estuviéramos en su lugar por ello se merece su tiempo de reclusion para sanar.
Wen Ning had ALL the nerve and right to say what he said and more…. And to all the JC sympathizers …… I said what I said. 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️😘
I can't get over there'll will be end so sad also the episode huhuhuhuhu 😭😭😭😭😭😭
the first time i watched and knew abot this core secret in The Untamed , i had cried a river
Jetzt hat JianCheng das was er wollte! Er kann wieder kultivieren, weil er wieder einen Golden Core hat! Doch dafür zahlt er einen hohen Preis: er hat den nun endgültig verloren, der immer für ihn da war und auf ihn aufgepasst hat, der für ihn auf den dunklen Pfad der Kultivierung ging, ja ihn sogar erschuf und ihm seinen Golden Core gab: Wei Ying. JianCheng ist so arrogant! Alles was für ihn zählt ist der Name des Clans und die Kultivierung! Was wirklich wichtig ist, interessiert ihn nicht! Und jetzt als er von Wen Ning die Wahrheit erfährt, dass der Golden Core den er in sich trägt von Wei Ying ist und er deshalb dessen Schwert benutzen kann, hat ihn ganz schön mitgenommen. Geschieht ihm Recht! Er kann weiter kultivieren, das hatte er sich gewünscht, als ihm seiner zerstört wurde. Doch nun wird ihm jedesmal wenn er kultiviert bewusst sein, das der Golden Core den er in sich hat, von Wei Ying ist. Und Wei Ying tut mir leid! Er hat schon genug gelitten und damit JianCheng, dieses arrogante sorry Arschloch wieder kultivieren kann hat er seinen Golden Core an ihm abgegeben obwohl dieser es verdient hätte fortan ohne zu sein! Dies zeigt klar und deutlich den Unterschied zwischen den beiden Männern: Wei Ying ist bereit auf seinen Golden Core zu verzichten um JianCheng das kultivieren wieder zu ermöglichen, während JianCheng das nie tun würde! Zum Glück hat Wei Ying Lan Zhan an seiner Seite, der im Gegensatz zu JianCheng Wei Ying immer zur Seite stehen und nie fallen lassen wird. Wahre Freundschaft! Und JianCheng? Hoffentlich bessert er sich jetzt da er die Wahrheit weiss doch ich befürchte dass er noch arroganter werden wird, als ohnehin schon. Und Lan Zhan? Er macht das Richtige indem er Wei Ying von dort weg bringt. Ein wahrer Freund. Alles gute Wei Ying und Lan Zhan!
太好哭了
All the people saying that Jc is ungrateful what did you expect ? That Jc thanks Wwx when he literally asked for nothing ??
I get that there’s lot a thing jc’s to blame for but in this scene Jc’s reaction was totally fair. I don’t think anyone would want to have a life debt to someone when you literally didn’t asked for it, then having said life debt thrown at your face in your very own house as if you had choice to begin with
It's heating up🔥🔥🔥
😭𝐩𝐚𝐢𝐧.
Wasn't included in this clip but the scene showing Jiang Cheng leading the Wen guards away from Wei Ying was a bit of a let down. Really enjoyed the execution of the donghua throughout the series except this last scene. I remember when I read it, I was bawling but the way they showed it in the donghua didn't carry as much emotion... I would even say that people who didn't read the novel might have trouble interpreting it which is sad since it was a pretty big redeeming factor for Jiang Cheng's character. I honestly love Jiang Cheng's character from the novel but the donghua makes him seem like an angry ball of hate T-T So for anyone wondering, the quote for that scene from the novel goes like this:
"What could he say? That, back then, I wasn't caught by the Wen Sect because I wanted to go back to Lotus Pier to retrieve my my parents' corpses. That, at the town we passed on our way, when you were buying food, a group of Wen Sect cultivators caught up. That, I discovered them early and left where I sat, hiding at the corner of the street and didn't get caught, but they were patrolling the streets and would soon run into you outside. That this was why I ran out and distracted them. But just like how the past Wei WuXian couldn't tell him the truth of giving him his golden core, the current Jiang Cheng wasn't able to say anything either."
Depending on how you decide to interpret it, you could technically say that Jiang Cheng lost his core for Wei Ying, and Wei Ying lost his core for Jiang Cheng. They truly were the best brothers and personally, I don't think Jiang Cheng hates Wei Ying because of the death of his family, but because Wei Ying didn't stay by his side like he promised. Hope this little rant managed to convince some of the Jiang Cheng haters to like him even just a little bit more :)
Wow. Thank you. Now I really do wish the animation team could have included these significant details. It would make JC's anger more understandable. It would also make JC's tears more heart-wrenching.
There's a scene in Ep 12 that shows JC frantically running away from WY who stands in the same spot.
Before reading your comment, my interpretation was "JC cries because he realizes that he himself has been running farther and farther away from WY (symbolically), not the other way around. so instead of blaming WY for not staying by his side, JC, full of regrets, now blames himself for abandoning WY"
Now that you've provided these details, the scene in which JC ran away from the Wen Sect cultivators has a whole different meaning.
Me too.... Jiang Cheng is my favourite chr in the novel.... N I agree abt anime part too (´;︵;`) N it's not like JC suddenly became bad person or what he thinks is wrong.... In novel his breakdowns, struggles n helping hand towards WWX is shown. N ppl talking of that promise It's not that Jiang Cheng wanted to force WWX it's just that he feels sad about that WWX forgot about those words n he didn't give importance to it
You said what i wanted to but couldn't. It is so true JC didn't hate WY because of his family and clan killed. I feel really sorry for JC and it makes my heart wrench.
This! I hear a lot of people talking about WWX sacrificing his core, but JC was the one that sacrificed it in the first place to save WWX. Whether you like JC or not, the fact stands that if JC had not distracted the Wens, WWX would have been caught and highly likely killed/ripped of his golden core regardless, then we would have no more story
I hate that people hate jiang cheng 😭😭 are we forgetting that his family were murdered? His sect was decimated? That he was 17 when he became sect leader during a war??? Hes a dick and needs to communicate but he's not a horrible person. He misses wy and is jealous of him but you would be too if you were constantly compared to your older sibling and hated by your parents. He hasn't let go of his anger because he can't, he doesn't know how and why things happened. All he knows his that wy, his supposed brother and friend, abandoned him when jc needed him the most. And wy never apologises. He's allowed to feel angry and bitter over that betrayal. This scene only proves that jc was kept in the dark for too long. Yes he needed that reality check from wn but he doesn't deserve your hatred 😭😭😭
JC has problems, sure. But he lost his clan and his family in the midst of unparalleled and devastating turmoil and in a piecemeal fashion (unlike WY who lost his original family in a rather common and ordinary fashion). And then he even lost his brother. Granted, he lost WY himself but I think his flaws are in line with the Nie clan leader who became a fierce resentful corpse, distorted and thus able to be used, ultimately succumbing to and fermenting public opinion. I don’t like him but I can’t say that I would so much better (as him, as his father, or as his mother). I think WY forgives him his flaws because he understands this.
**Ultimately I think this series can serve as testimony to engage in independent thinking and avoid becoming part of cyber violence.**
Yo al leer el titulo: WEN NING CAGON!!!
Now i only want a yuan and wei ying to recognize each other.
Plzzz.
Will it be shown,?
Yes
@@awildamartinez3484 if that wil ve shown then i will be very happy.
Father and son reunion.
Well not biological but just we all consider ayan as lan zhan and wei ying's baby boy
I've never hated a character as much as I hate JC. I just can't find any quality to lika about him.
Thank you, finally someone understands me
i don't understand why you hate him. remember jiang cheng sacrificed himself by being the bait by getting himself caught by the wen guards so that he can save wei ying from getting caught so eventually he lost his core for wei ying only. also we should understand from jiang perspective also he was always compared to wei ying that's why he had anger issues but he never stopped being a good brother he always supported wei ying. wei ying had to act like a hero when jiang clan was weak due to which jiang father and mother dies but then also jiang cheng didn't think twice before sacrificing himself for wei. then jiang cheng had to build the clan on his own and felt abandoned. also being a clan leader he has to choose between protecting his clan or supporting the wens so he has to choose his clan first. even after all the misunderstandings jiang didn't stab wei he stabbed the rock and after wei reincarnated after catching him first and then after wei released himself he just let him go. jiang cheng is a good brother who can't express himself and he also doesn't have anyone to tell wei how his golden core got lost in the first place!!
@@pratyushdash7573 I see your point but I'm hating JC from the novel not necessarily the anime or drama. JC didn't become angry because he was compared to WY. He's just like his mother, ill-tempered, JC was trying to distract the wens soldier s from finding WY because WY was out getting help for HIS sister. Unfortunately he lost his core but not for WY, On the other hand WY gave up his core without a second thought because JC is too proud. Do you think JC would have done the same.?
The way he treats WY: even if he felt he couldn't help the Wens, declaring WY an enemy to the entire cultivation world ( not very brotherly,)and leading a siege against him is a bit much Also, when he first appears after WY is resurrected he basically tries to kill him (whipping him with Zidian would have killed him if he had actually been possessing Mo Xuanyu) and proceeds to threaten him with a dog( psychological torture)
JGY said this (if JC had only stuck by WY then, things would not have turned out the way it did).
The untamed-jc not a nice person.
*when WWX comes back the first thing we hear about JC is that he is torturing people who he thinks might be WWX, it immediately sets him up as a villain.
*He was torturing and killing demonic cultivators
*he's literally disgusted by seeing LWJ and WY hugging.
*he puts up deity-binding nets all over the hunting grounds, and the cultivators from smaller sects basically have to give up because they don't dare to offend him
*Even in Lotus Pier when he is the sect leader, people tend to be afraid of him and don't want to go to him for help
*doing nothing to correct Jin Ling's idea of what happened; JL thinks that WY ordered Wen Ning to kill both of his parents, when really Yanli died to protect WY
*saying that Wy had sworn to stay by his side forever as his subordinate, never betraying him(WY never betrayed)
*JC owes WN&WQ a debt because they save his life and help rescue his parents body but he was willing to kill them
*Jiang Cheng mentions the debt that Wei Ying owes the Jiang family because they took him off the streets..wow
*He uses WY relationship with LWJ to hurt him during the confrontation at Lotus Pier where WN intervene.
@@ishtarock Well said and explained 👏👏👏 actually Jc is an asshole in every adaptation but in the donghua and the live action they made him a bit more likeable however I'm still not a fan. I agree that in the novel he is way worse
@@circeamethyst3786 I can't deny that JC had a hard life but I also thought that with both his parents,sister and WY dead, he would have focus on his clan and nephew but he became more harden cruel.
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Does anyone the names of the background music playing?
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What is the name of the anime
Why this wasn't on the chapter?!
WHY DIDN'T THEY RECONCILE
This scene is really spectacular but I need name of song please.
PLEASE watch the live action, there is alot more panning to Lan's reaction which is incredible, I dont feel this was as powerful as it was in the live action, sorry but it just was a bit odd the way they did it here. Lans reaction in the live action is amazingly more visual and stronger, its paced out better and not rushed which is what this scene needed. This is literally the scene that is pivitoal to Wei's entire character, it is such proof of his sweet, selflessness and why he turns to Demonic Cultivation and it just felt so rushed here.
Its donghua btw
Its rushed
The scene where jgy hold hostage to wwx and jl not there and jl hugging his uncle wwx
The live action is badly censored and changed too (for example wei wuxian’s grey morality was erased, they changed wen qing’s personality, they basically scapegoated Xue Yang and Jin Guangyao and made them sooo much more 1D) so just read the novel
I see some people asking what donghua this is, omg plz if u didn’t watch this , click of this scene lol this the biggest spoiler
Why do ppl hate JC soooo much.... Well according to me he is a great chr n very well written chr.... His chr is really realistic.... U can't expect him to be angelic n forgive n be grateful after all that's happened to him.... Well he is my fav chr...n it's not that I m saying that u should like JC chr or whatever it's just that JC doesn't deserve soo much hate
yes exactly!!!! this why i love mxtx's novels. she writes such realistic charcters. even the main cracters here, wangxian, she didnt make them straight up act like saints. they all have their faults, they all have regrets. jc is such a well written and complex character that people wont understand him if they just look at him through wangxian's pov, one needs to carefully read the novel in order to understand all the side chracters because all the adaptations kinda quickly rush through scenes of side characters.
JC is a char that make me dislike him, but than pity him a lot too. u can see his weakness, but u can also see his love for his brother. he is a very much misunderstood character. i dont know if its just me, but at the end when WY was lead into a trap where he pulled out his "suibian" sword that exposed him as wei wu xian, u see JC grabbing his fist and getting mad. at this point he already knew he was WWX, i feel like i could just imagine his own dialouge scolding WWX for stupidly getting caught and exposed. when everyone started attacking LZ and WY, he actually let them run past without stopping them.
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Which adaptation handled the reveal better? Live action, donghua, or original?
Original novel ofc but its already the original source. I think Audio Drama always the best adaptation because it's very close to the novel. But I really appreciate the Donghua's too.
Both have their charms...the animation was pretty fierce and one allowed more than others. Take them as separately wonderful as I do. It is still a point in a epic story both conveyed well in understanding. One has more license so can't really be apples to apples.
Live havent had a chance to read the novel waiting for it to come to uk, use I could read online but I want my money to go to the author, the live actions facial expressions, Lans reaction just hit hard, here it felt a bit rushed.
I think the live action made a wonderful job, with the voices and expressions. I didn't feel anything in particular in this donghua scene, it was a waste.
Ofc the novel
Original work
There's manhua too
i just wish JC would find someone who will love him and who he will love.
and who will stay by his side.
Donghua name
mo dao zu shi. there are 3 seasons and this is the final one
@@chirangaranadheera4382 thanks
@@rokkeeridah6599 yw😄
I know its to late but if you watch it one you never forget it. Its to addictive and you alwys wants more....
Me da cosa JC no es mala persona. Sufrió mucho y no puede olvidar todo lo que pasó, creo en realidad, nadie podría. Y Que WWX se siga preocupando así por él a pesar de que su relación este tan rota. Por deos.
( Que lindo que es La Zhan cuidandolo ❤️)
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JC was always jealous of WY. He lost his core simply because he was being impulsive and not thinking. WY deserved a better brother. JC was too quick to judge WY when he came back both times (in the battle field with Wen Clan and his resurrection) without asking himself why he (WY) was so different and what changed. Hell when everything hit the fan and all the clans went after WY, JC was there as well. For someone who claimed to love him, he was super quick to turn on him. JC is not a bad character, however he is not someone I would count on for support if things are unclear. Wen Ning was right, some people say they like the live action version, but in my opinion, this was better and it needed to be said. A brutal harsh truth was maybe the only way to really get through to JC. The way I see it is if JC is quick to dish out some hurtful things, then he should be man enough to take it right back 🤷🏾♀️
well he did act on impulse to save wwx from those wen sect dudes back then so we cant really say he didnt sacrifice anything for wwx and plus he only turned his back to wwx when his sister died until then he tried to back him up at every chance possible and yeah i wont deny the fact that he did have feelings of jealousy towards wy.
For me JC is really an unlikable character, he never really loved Wei Ying otherwise he would stayed with him till the end. He is selfish, ungrateful and easy to manipulate and his inferiority complex didn't help either. Glad he ended alone, and that he has to live knowing the awful person he is
@@lolakawaiiable well he didn't stay with wei ying because jiang clan was a newly made clan which can't go against all the big clans on its own. just think jiang cheng also sacrificed himself by becoming the bait and getting caught by the wen guards and save wei from getting caught and also that's why his golden core got lost in the first place. just think wei always acts on impulse he tried to be a hero when he knew jiang clan wasn't strong and that's why jiang parents got killed even after that jiang cheng sacrificed himself for wei. and also being a clan leader he has to think about his clan first like everyone will do. and jiang was n't actually against wei he at first was just in the notion of supporting other clans to imprison wens but then when his brother in law died because of wei ying he then got angry on wei.
i don't know why people even comment if they haven't watched the show properly. jiang cheng got caught because he let himself become the bait to save wei from getting caught. and then jiang cheng made the clan by himself and the newly made jiang clan can't go against all the clans on its own. being the clan leader he has to choose his clan. and jc never hated wei he always supported him even after constantly getting compared to him he didn't turn evil. he was just a good brother who can't express himself and he doesn't have anyone to tell wei how he sacrificed himself for him.
@@pratyushdash7573 Sounds like excuses to me, nobody said that he had to abandon his clan but he could let WY be, he didn't have to take the side of the enemies of WY but he chose to, so yeah that makes him an awful brother. Also no, JC's parents didn't die because WY tried to be a hero, even JC knows that and mentions it in the novel. That was just an excuse JC told to himself but later on he admits that the Wens were determined to kill his clan in one way or another. The golden core thing well JC did not only save Wei Ying with that, he saved his sister too and himself because without WY and the help of the Wen he would have died and that's another fact. Is totally fine that you like Jc but don't makeup arguments to defend him because the novel is very clear and explains everything. Also you shouldn't assume that other people didn't watch the show properly just because you have a different opinion
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드라마에선 그렇지만 원작소설, 애니에서 강징은 위영에게 직접적으로 해를 끼친게 없어요. 어렸을때부터 비교당하고 열등감을 느껴도 친구로서 잘 지내려고 노력을 많이 했습니다. 도륙현무때 어른들을 데려와 위영을 살리기도 했고 그것때문에 가문이 멸망했지만 사도를 익힌 위영을 가문의 일원으로 인정해주기도 했습니다. 가문을 나갔을때도 찾아와줬고요. 강징도 화가 날 수 있는 입장이고 서로 빚을 주고 받은 관계인거죠. 강징은 (고의는 아니지만) 위영이 일으킨 사건으로 엄마 아빠 사제들 가문의 수하들 누나 누나의남편 모두 잃었어요. 그리고도 이정도면 강징도 진짜 착한거에요. ㅠㅠ 미움과 사랑은 가를 수가 없다. 나는 강징의 마음이 이해돼요. 미워하고 싶지만 미워할 수 없는
Creo que en esta escena Jiang Cheng esta viendo su poder espiritual, por eso ve la imagen de Wei Ying al fondo, mientras escucha a Wen Ning. Siento que rompe algo en el espíritu de este, por eso cuando los sigue al final para detenerlos antes de que partan, todo el pabellón se llena de energía roja.
Different from novel…..
La premiere fois que j’ai fini mdzs c’était 1 an avant l’existence du Covid et continue tjrs à pleurer pour JC peu importe combien de fois je re-regarde cette scène peu importe l’adaptation.
Epic!
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I think the last of what WN said to JC about never being able to compare to WWX was very out of character for him. I dont believe that he has in him to say something like that. I was with him up until that moment. This was such an important scene and I think I prefer the way the live action did it. But in most cases I prefer the donghua to the live action, especially the depiction of Yiling laz / WWX.
Well believe it because it happens in the novel too so is canon, Wen Ning is not who he was before now he can speak his mind and he is not afraid anymore. Seems like you forget that he and his sister literally saved JC but what did they get in return?, the answer is nothing so he has all the right to say what he said and he is not lying either, the truth is that JC owes the Wens his own life. You can like JC and be biased and all but trying to blame Wen Ning is out of place. What he did is called character development and btw the drama is the least accurate adaptation of the original story
I know wei ying suffer but its too cruel for jiang cheng
終究還是錯付了 江澄說的可沒半點錯 魏嬰欠江家的幾輩子也還不清 他們永遠也不知道江澄當初何嘗不是為了救魏嬰才被化丹呢 魏嬰當初許下的諾言也沒有兑現啊 一個魏嬰賠上了整個蓮花塢 可憐了江澄
Wei Ying fulfilled his promise to Jiang Cheng's Mother first the elder. He saved him at ANY COST. The cost was their brothership, clanship & rival freindship. JC was never going to ever be greater than WY he always knew it everyone did...that is part of his anger. The fact he was so good in later years was because the core was Wei's to make him be nearly up to HanGuang-Jun level because WY and LZ were nearly equals. Another tough life pill to swallow for the leader. Wei Ying could not keep his promise to Jiang Cheng because of the promise he kept to his clan leader all those years ago. Quite sad if you really think about the timeline.
魏嬰背後還有個藍二寵 又有溫情幫口 可江澄呢他背後可真的什麼都沒有了 他認真把諾言記著了但最後又換來了什麼 心裡苦啊但天下間誰又知道 魏嬰頂多就是算一命還一命把金丹還了江澄 把師母被吩咐的遺言實行了 但他自己對江澄說的沒有做到 而且都不能抵消魏嬰種下的禍 金凌那孩子沒爹沒娘又是誰的錯 江澄不該恨嗎 要是我就恨死了
@@jimruby5126 We are on the same page nods it is so rich in culture, dynamics, cross storytelling, past, present and future influences. It is woven tale of many sides like a gem 💎shining in the light🕯 depending on where you shine it the brilliancy shows a different shimmer color and design. 😊 I have enjoyed learning about the style I have always learned about country dynamics culturally. It truly is masterful piece of literary work. I am just glad it was shared and translated!
魏嬰倒好啊 上輩子自己跳崖說死了 就什麼都不用交代了 這次這輩子好啊回來了 但吐口血昏了被人抱走了還在船上風花雪月對酒當歌最後還跟人跑了！？ 然後又是什麼也不說不交代 江澄從來都不是要魏嬰死第二次 由始至終他也只是想親口聽到魏嬰跟他說一句 那怕是什麼的一句也好啊真狗血 就像是當初魏嬰把這個諾言咒放到江澄心上了 現在解鈴還需繫鈴人也都該是他把這個咒給好好的解放 可憐江澄也是等不到 你叫他情何以堪 虐啊真虐
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