Great!!! I’ve started the book and it’s even better. Dr. Smith’s Viable Values really helped me years ago. Her Objective Law book really helped me understand objectivity (even after studying objectivism for twenty years).
@@SneakySteevy it can't "begin" with desires in any sense of the term, because desires aren't irreducibly primary or causeless. A "desire" which conflicts with the nature and needs of a rational being might be a "felt yes" - but the only defensible response is a THOUGHT NO. Ayn Rand would be ashamed of what is being done in her name.
@@kb3ojg461 *"Ayn Rand would be ashamed of what is being done in her name."* Since you have decided to speak for her, what - exactly (ie provide actual quotes please) - are you claiming Rand said it "begins" with here, if NOT one's desire to live (in the face of what SHE identified as THE fundamental choice confronting human beings: life or death)? What supposed "causeless", "irreducible primary" (sounds like the appeal to a "duty", which is decidedly ANTI-Rand) that is NOT "desire" are you claiming Rand supposedly said is the reason - the WHY - for a person to choose life rather than death? As Tara puts it, what "sanction" are you claiming a man's desire to live - to be happy - requires? As Rand put it, what "warrant" are you claiming a man's desire to live - to be happy - requires? We'll wait.
@@bleigh3369 it's deeper than this one lecture. 1. Peikoff even creating the "Ayn Rand" institute (IE: a knockoff of NBI), and then positioning himself as her (presumably sole) "intellectual heir" is pathetic. Peikoff has spent decades profiting off of Ayn Rand's copyrights while his own books only sell to the Objectivist movement itself. ARI basically exists to sell Ayn Rand's novels etc. - and funnel royalties to the Peikoff family trust.
@@kb3ojg461 *"it's deeper than this one lecture"* So you can NOT answer the questions - ie your accusation was just an EMPTY smear, exactly like your current post here. Thanks for making that clear.
There's no such thing as a selfless person who believes he has free will. The idea of free will is the heart and seed of selfishness. It is selfishness.
"So ARI has now committed to Hume's "reason is the slave of the passions". Since that is the opposite of Rand and ARI and Smith's principles, it would be interesting to learn on the basis of what words Smith spoke (ie provide quotes) which lead kb to jump to such a counter-factual conclusion.
@@bleigh3369 Smith said that the desire to live requires guidance by rational morality. She did not imply or say that any desire should guide reason. She is opposing any justification for the desire to live, ie, that the desire to live is primary. Morality and reason are not primary in living. There is no God or any other mystical idea who or which commands, "Go forth and live!" Reason and morality are the means of acting on the desire to live. This can't be generalized to any other desire. The desire to live is self-justifying.
@@TeaParty1776 "Smith said... She did not imply or say that any desire should guide reason." Not sure why you aimed this comment at me. Unless you think Rand and Smith ARE "committed to Hume's "reason is the slave of the passions"" as kb declared, and thus you are trying to correct me for saying that Hume's dictum is the "opposite" of Rand and ARI and Smith's principle.
Narcissism is a scourge. Narcissus was a youth who was stupefied into numbness by his own beauty which he saw reflected in a pool. He died gazing at his own image, and was turned into a flower, a narcissus. It is said that Narcissus still keeps gazing on his image in the waters of the river Styx, in the Underworld. He was loved by the nymph Echo. The theme here being that he was wanted to be alone, and had no need for another. Scarab beerle theology, eat your dung , transform and grow wings.
@@jonathanbauer2988 Are your feeling quantifiable ? If so take chemical happy pills, have a lobotomy. It doesnt take any effort and you will always be a happy moron.
@@luukzwart115 Yes, illusory because it’s actually an extreme form of second-handedness. The narcissist’s obsession isn’t with genuine ability, achievement, or self-improvement, but with his appearance in the eyes of others. They are the most dependent people in the world.
Great!!! I’ve started the book and it’s even better.
Dr. Smith’s Viable Values really helped me years ago. Her Objective Law book really helped me understand objectivity (even after studying objectivism for twenty years).
Virtuous Egoist-T Smith
Moral Rights & Political Freedom-T Smith
Understanding Objectivism-Leonard Peikoff
Important Content. Necessary. The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
GREAT! I've been waiting for this talk.
Great speech!
Magnificent. Great work.
appreciated this talk, thx
Desire is the start of everything.
Spinoza has a lot to say about it.
@@SneakySteevy it can't "begin" with desires in any sense of the term, because desires aren't irreducibly primary or causeless.
A "desire" which conflicts with the nature and needs of a rational being might be a "felt yes" - but the only defensible response is a THOUGHT NO.
Ayn Rand would be ashamed of what is being done in her name.
@@kb3ojg461 I state what Spinoza said about desire. You can read about it.
@@kb3ojg461 *"Ayn Rand would be ashamed of what is being done in her name."*
Since you have decided to speak for her, what - exactly (ie provide actual quotes please) - are you claiming Rand said it "begins" with here, if NOT one's desire to live (in the face of what SHE identified as THE fundamental choice confronting human beings: life or death)? What supposed "causeless", "irreducible primary" (sounds like the appeal to a "duty", which is decidedly ANTI-Rand) that is NOT "desire" are you claiming Rand supposedly said is the reason - the WHY - for a person to choose life rather than death?
As Tara puts it, what "sanction" are you claiming a man's desire to live - to be happy - requires? As Rand put it, what "warrant" are you claiming a man's desire to live - to be happy - requires?
We'll wait.
@@bleigh3369 it's deeper than this one lecture.
1. Peikoff even creating the "Ayn Rand" institute (IE: a knockoff of NBI), and then positioning himself as her (presumably sole) "intellectual heir" is pathetic.
Peikoff has spent decades profiting off of Ayn Rand's copyrights while his own books only sell to the Objectivist movement itself.
ARI basically exists to sell Ayn Rand's novels etc. - and funnel royalties to the Peikoff family trust.
@@kb3ojg461 *"it's deeper than this one lecture"*
So you can NOT answer the questions - ie your accusation was just an EMPTY smear, exactly like your current post here.
Thanks for making that clear.
There's no such thing as a selfless person who believes he has free will. The idea of free will is the heart and seed of selfishness. It is selfishness.
Are values for plants intrinsic but not objective? But for man, values are objective because of our volitional and fallible consciousness?
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So ARI has now committed to Hume's "reason is the slave of the passions".
WOW.
no ,IF you desire to live, you SHOULD choose a rational morality. Reason is violitional. Its actions start within the mind,
"So ARI has now committed to Hume's "reason is the slave of the passions".
Since that is the opposite of Rand and ARI and Smith's principles, it would be interesting to learn on the basis of what words Smith spoke (ie provide quotes) which lead kb to jump to such a counter-factual conclusion.
@@bleigh3369 Smith said that the desire to live requires guidance by rational morality. She did not imply or say that any desire should guide reason. She is opposing any justification for the desire to live, ie, that the desire to live is primary. Morality and reason are not primary in living. There is no God or any other mystical idea who or which commands, "Go forth and live!" Reason and morality are the means of acting on the desire to live. This can't be generalized to any other desire. The desire to live is self-justifying.
@@TeaParty1776 "Smith said... She did not imply or say that any desire should guide reason."
Not sure why you aimed this comment at me. Unless you think Rand and Smith ARE "committed to Hume's "reason is the slave of the passions"" as kb declared, and thus you are trying to correct me for saying that Hume's dictum is the "opposite" of Rand and ARI and Smith's principle.
@@bleigh3369 Right, you copied text from the original poster. Sorry.
Narcissism is a scourge.
Narcissus was a youth who was stupefied into numbness by his own beauty which he saw reflected in a pool. He died gazing at his own image, and was turned into a flower, a narcissus. It is said that Narcissus still keeps gazing on his image in the waters of the river Styx, in the Underworld. He was loved by the nymph Echo. The theme here being that he was wanted to be alone, and had no need for another.
Scarab beerle theology, eat your dung , transform and grow wings.
How is this related in any way? I do love this story but I don't see how its related to the video?
Narcissism is illusionary self-esteem. Rational-egoism is fact-based self-esteem.
@@luukzwart115 Self-esteem is your opinion of yourself. There are no facts to this.
@@jonathanbauer2988 Are your feeling quantifiable ? If so take chemical happy pills, have a lobotomy. It doesnt take any effort and you will always be a happy moron.
@@luukzwart115 Yes, illusory because it’s actually an extreme form of second-handedness. The narcissist’s obsession isn’t with genuine ability, achievement, or self-improvement, but with his appearance in the eyes of others. They are the most dependent people in the world.