Loving this comment section, many people share their views and training histories, overall very nice and respectful, the way we want it to be, thanks for the support🥋
This is a wholesome video and the tone of it is pure serenity amidst the fighting which is considerend as simply violence. We are martial artists, we know how to fight but that does not make us violent. We control and redirect violence, for we are peacekeepers and we prevent violence. Long live Jiu Jitsu, long live Mixed Martial Artists💪🥋Long live good people who are also fighters💪
One of my favorite old school Jujutsu masters is the guy from Fusen ryu who used ne waza techniques against Judokas and defeated most of them. Thank you for sharing ☺️.
So many forms of Ju Jutsu and it's sister arts out there, so much to explore and learn from in the world, to quote one of my favorite fictional characters; "there's so much more for you to unearth, if you have the heart for the truth and the will to see it" - Kain from Legacy of Kain
Takenouchi Ryu is the oldest living Japanese Jujitsu school today. Once military/martial combative melee arts become sport oriented we see high kicks, closed fist punches to the head, prolonged newaza ground grappling and a focus from armed melee combat defense shifts towards complete unarmed dueling. Yet for some reason modern civilians still call this martial (military) arts.
Yes, real life or death fights are ugly and scary, but having a good functional sport practice like mma or generalised JJJ and arts/sports as such are a solid foundation to build upon for fighting.
I practice JJ for about 7 years now. I like it because it contains strikes, kicks, grappling, throws and ground game. I can't think of an art that involves all that...except MMA. You could say it was the MMA of the past. Many styles like Judo, Aikido....and BJJ derived from Jiu-Jitsu or one of it's ancestors (f.e. Aiki Ryu), and most of them focussed on one field specifically. Of course when it comes to self defense, traditional arts are reduced to the very simple moves, which makes it kind of look like MMA or maybe Krav Maga, but launching the fancy stuff in demos and exams is very pleasing. Looking across styles you will often find techniques that have allmost identical pendants in other styles. Its simply because thie origins are mostly the same and human anatomy didn't really differ when you changed the country or region... I also have practiced some Wing Tsun and I am lucky to be in a Dojo where I can incorporate other styles to make my JJ suit me best. It is allways good to keep your mind open.
JJJ can mean a lot of things now, unfortunately. My city is dominated by BJJ schools but there's only one JJJ school which I tried out, but they had no sparring. The major focus was self-defense scenario escapes with some aikido in there and sometimes we hit pads. Once I started watching what the higher belts were doing wasn't much different from my pure white belt curriculum, I moved on. I love JJJ, hopefully I'll find a school like this one, but until then I'll stick to Muay Thai.
In our jiu Jitsu class literally all martial arts meet. There are many who have a judo background, some come from karate, aikido ,Kickboxing or Muay Thai. Everything can be applied in jiu jitsu, that is so great about it. Japanese jiu jitsu is more focused on self defense than that it's a sport. It is so multifaceted that there can be big differences between schools. Some are a bit more focused on fighting standing up, and some are more focused on fighting on the ground, some to a point that it is almost indistinguishable from Brazilian jiu jitsu.
The only unarmed martial art i can think of that doesn't fit in this mold (i.e.; indistinguishable from modern MMA) is Lethwei and it's variants because of the tight integration of head strikes (strikes with the head, not strikes to the head). I assume TJJJ would have included head strikes, but I've never seen it included in any curricula.
I was part of modern'ish jiu jitsu school based on classic yoshin ryu jujitsu style for more than decade in Belarus and Ukraine. And I was taking part in 2 week BJJ camps in Brazil and Cuba a few times. The only difference I see is that we were focused on randori waza and kumite (stand-up wrestling and fighting), BJJ is all about suwari waza (ass-crawling grappling) Any I don’t care if BJJ is more efficient in UFC, to me it is boring :)
Generalised version of japanese jujitsu that actually left Japan* is what is shown in this video, there are still obscure koryus in Japan and you can't really even find footage on youtube of and I find that really strange but it's true! Also, you forgot to mention jjj has weapons, which is the coolest part of it in my opinion.
Just to play devils advocate. Would not be that JJ look so close to MMA because they follow the same ruleset wile sparring more than because "they are looking for 'function'" or "real world application" ? What MMA would look like if, for ex, weapons was allowed? How different MMA would look like if more "real world" elements, like an uneven, dirty, build using concrete floor was utilized instead of the padded one we used today. What if we take away the gloves? Without a doubt judo throwing techniques would raise, hight kicks like we see in this video would be abandoned, and karate open hands techniques would be seen more often. All changes that would make everything more "real world" like, but would show a total different set of tools being used. So, I would say, more than "function" we are talking about "function for a combat sport environment". Or "what works on MMA ruleset".
None of this is Japanese Jujutsu. Japanese jujutsu is a weapons based/weapons retention art. But, I agree that it can benefit from modern training pedology. However, 99% of what people this think Japanese jujutsu is, is just goshinjutsu which is a self defense art. This video is a good example of goshinjutsu. Nothing wrong with that, just not Japanese jujutsu.
@@gemappraiser I actually like this comment, though this series of videos was precisely made for this purpouse; there's no "real japanese ju jitsu" the standards of what it would need to be are impossible to hold, for instance the whole addition of the typical gi comes from judo, that's also very modern, so even from only that example at the end of it all that we have is the technique... which is universal across the globe, fighting is fighting
@@martialgeeks there’s plenty of real JJ. Albeit, the training methodology needs an update. You have to realize too that Japanese jujutsu kata teaches principles, not fighting techniques all the time. The kata is meant to be applied with resistance and a non working opponent. Kata/waza are one method within the framework. Even in judo and BJJ there is “kata” against a non resisting opponent. Then tested which helps you learn how to adapt under stress. The military use kata all the time. It’s meant to teach muscle memory, discipline and technique. I’m a Japanese jujutsu practitioner with 35 years experience. Plenty of that in judo/bjj. The depth of authentic jj can teach you for a lifetime
@@gemappraiser Cool, but I've never seen true "authentic Jjj". Only schools that try to be historical to different degrees, but nothing like hema, if you have links, I'd love to see some of those 🙏🥋✌
@@martialgeeks You can search for kokodo jujutsu, Hakko denshin ryu. They’re derivatives of Hakko Ryu which is a derivative of Daito Ryu. All are authentic Japanese jujutsu. One of the Hakko denshin Ryu jujutsu seniors is also a BJJ black belt as well are many others. It all “works” if you know how to make it work. BJJ, judo, Japanese jujutsu are all the same principle wise. Just a different training methodology and strategy
I have some experience with Daito Ryu, I also do aikido so I agree there is real functiom when in comes to those depending on the context etc. I'll deffinitely check the other ones out, though, aren't those still different schools/branches? still not unified as a single art. So really jjj to me is a label that describes a jujitsu from/in japan, not a unified art easily distinct like bjj, judo, aikido, karate etc.
With all respect what I see is judo itsu.all I see is kick boxing sparring and ground fighting with rules.ju jitsu is self defense including eye pokes, hitting the groin,dislocation of joints.....besides that keep up the good work..
Agreed to a point, where I dissagree a bit is that Ju jitsu includes all of that, but to be able to apply all the dangerous illegal tchniques that could be used in self defense, you first have to be good at the fundamentals which are best trained through kickboxing, ne waza, full contact etc.
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Loving this comment section, many people share their views and training histories, overall very nice and respectful, the way we want it to be, thanks for the support🥋
This is a wholesome video and the tone of it is pure serenity amidst the fighting which is considerend as simply violence. We are martial artists, we know how to fight but that does not make us violent. We control and redirect violence, for we are peacekeepers and we prevent violence. Long live Jiu Jitsu, long live Mixed Martial Artists💪🥋Long live good people who are also fighters💪
One of my favorite old school Jujutsu masters is the guy from Fusen ryu who used ne waza techniques against Judokas and defeated most of them.
Thank you for sharing ☺️.
So many forms of Ju Jutsu and it's sister arts out there, so much to explore and learn from in the world,
to quote one of my favorite fictional characters;
"there's so much more for you to unearth, if you have the heart for the truth and the will to see it"
- Kain from Legacy of Kain
@@martialgeeksthis has made me curious about the many styles of jujutsu out there. Some of them became lost, or so I’ve heard.
So much memories brah, we are better as times goes along
Takenouchi Ryu is the oldest living Japanese Jujitsu school today.
Once military/martial combative melee arts become sport oriented we see high kicks, closed fist punches to the head, prolonged newaza ground grappling and a focus from armed melee combat defense shifts towards complete unarmed dueling.
Yet for some reason modern civilians still call this martial (military) arts.
Yes, real life or death fights are ugly and scary, but having a good functional sport practice like mma or generalised JJJ and arts/sports as such are a solid foundation to build upon for fighting.
I practice JJ for about 7 years now. I like it because it contains strikes, kicks, grappling, throws and ground game. I can't think of an art that involves all that...except MMA. You could say it was the MMA of the past. Many styles like Judo, Aikido....and BJJ derived from Jiu-Jitsu or one of it's ancestors (f.e. Aiki Ryu), and most of them focussed on one field specifically.
Of course when it comes to self defense, traditional arts are reduced to the very simple moves, which makes it kind of look like MMA or maybe Krav Maga, but launching the fancy stuff in demos and exams is very pleasing. Looking across styles you will often find techniques that have allmost identical pendants in other styles. Its simply because thie origins are mostly the same and human anatomy didn't really differ when you changed the country or region...
I also have practiced some Wing Tsun and I am lucky to be in a Dojo where I can incorporate other styles to make my JJ suit me best.
It is allways good to keep your mind open.
This is about as perfect as a comment can get
JJJ can mean a lot of things now, unfortunately. My city is dominated by BJJ schools but there's only one JJJ school which I tried out, but they had no sparring. The major focus was self-defense scenario escapes with some aikido in there and sometimes we hit pads. Once I started watching what the higher belts were doing wasn't much different from my pure white belt curriculum, I moved on. I love JJJ, hopefully I'll find a school like this one, but until then I'll stick to Muay Thai.
Yep Jjj isn't standardised, and it's hard to even pinpoint as to what it is
In our jiu Jitsu class literally all martial arts meet. There are many who have a judo background, some come from karate, aikido ,Kickboxing or Muay Thai. Everything can be applied in jiu jitsu, that is so great about it. Japanese jiu jitsu is more focused on self defense than that it's a sport. It is so multifaceted that there can be big differences between schools. Some are a bit more focused on fighting standing up, and some are more focused on fighting on the ground, some to a point that it is almost indistinguishable from Brazilian jiu jitsu.
That's how we do it!
The only unarmed martial art i can think of that doesn't fit in this mold (i.e.; indistinguishable from modern MMA) is Lethwei and it's variants because of the tight integration of head strikes (strikes with the head, not strikes to the head). I assume TJJJ would have included head strikes, but I've never seen it included in any curricula.
Yes, most of the common "mma" type curiculums exclude head strikes except a few like Lethwei and kudo
I sometimes snicker at comments from young gen mma practitioners saying old school aint worth anything.. when in fact its all the same eventually
Spot on!
I was part of modern'ish jiu jitsu school based on classic yoshin ryu jujitsu style for more than decade in Belarus and Ukraine. And I was taking part in 2 week BJJ camps in Brazil and Cuba a few times.
The only difference I see is that we were focused on randori waza and kumite (stand-up wrestling and fighting), BJJ is all about suwari waza (ass-crawling grappling)
Any I don’t care if BJJ is more efficient in UFC, to me it is boring :)
Love the Suwari Waza comment 🤣🤣🤣
But jokes aside, I agree 100%
Generalised version of japanese jujitsu that actually left Japan* is what is shown in this video, there are still obscure koryus in Japan and you can't really even find footage on youtube of and I find that really strange but it's true!
Also, you forgot to mention jjj has weapons, which is the coolest part of it in my opinion.
100% true, you're correct this video is quite incomplete, we deffinitely got to a new version! Thanks for the comment
Well said brother, well said.
Check Hakko ryu jujutsu.
A gendai budo but with ancient roots
Smooth🥝🇳🇿😊
Just to play devils advocate. Would not be that JJ look so close to MMA because they follow the same ruleset wile sparring more than because "they are looking for 'function'" or "real world application" ? What MMA would look like if, for ex, weapons was allowed? How different MMA would look like if more "real world" elements, like an uneven, dirty, build using concrete floor was utilized instead of the padded one we used today. What if we take away the gloves? Without a doubt judo throwing techniques would raise, hight kicks like we see in this video would be abandoned, and karate open hands techniques would be seen more often.
All changes that would make everything more "real world" like, but would show a total different set of tools being used. So, I would say, more than "function" we are talking about "function for a combat sport environment". Or "what works on MMA ruleset".
None of this is Japanese Jujutsu. Japanese jujutsu is a weapons based/weapons retention art. But, I agree that it can benefit from modern training pedology. However, 99% of what people this think Japanese jujutsu is, is just goshinjutsu which is a self defense art. This video is a good example of goshinjutsu. Nothing wrong with that, just not Japanese jujutsu.
@@gemappraiser I actually like this comment, though this series of videos was precisely made for this purpouse; there's no "real japanese ju jitsu" the standards of what it would need to be are impossible to hold, for instance the whole addition of the typical gi comes from judo, that's also very modern, so even from only that example at the end of it all that we have is the technique... which is universal across the globe, fighting is fighting
@@martialgeeks there’s plenty of real JJ. Albeit, the training methodology needs an update. You have to realize too that Japanese jujutsu kata teaches principles, not fighting techniques all the time. The kata is meant to be applied with resistance and a non working opponent. Kata/waza are one method within the framework. Even in judo and BJJ there is “kata” against a non resisting opponent. Then tested which helps you learn how to adapt under stress. The military use kata all the time. It’s meant to teach muscle memory, discipline and technique. I’m a Japanese jujutsu practitioner with 35 years experience. Plenty of that in judo/bjj. The depth of authentic jj can teach you for a lifetime
@@gemappraiser Cool, but I've never seen true "authentic Jjj". Only schools that try to be historical to different degrees, but nothing like hema, if you have links, I'd love to see some of those 🙏🥋✌
@@martialgeeks You can search for kokodo jujutsu, Hakko denshin ryu. They’re derivatives of Hakko Ryu which is a derivative of Daito Ryu. All are authentic Japanese jujutsu. One of the Hakko denshin Ryu jujutsu seniors is also a BJJ black belt as well are many others. It all “works” if you know how to make it work. BJJ, judo, Japanese jujutsu are all the same principle wise. Just a different training methodology and strategy
I have some experience with Daito Ryu, I also do aikido so I agree there is real functiom when in comes to those depending on the context etc. I'll deffinitely check the other ones out, though, aren't those still different schools/branches? still not unified as a single art. So really jjj to me is a label that describes a jujitsu from/in japan, not a unified art easily distinct like bjj, judo, aikido, karate etc.
With all respect what I see is judo itsu.all I see is kick boxing sparring and ground fighting with rules.ju jitsu is self defense including eye pokes, hitting the groin,dislocation of joints.....besides that keep up the good work..
Agreed to a point, where I dissagree a bit is that Ju jitsu includes all of that, but to be able to apply all the dangerous illegal tchniques that could be used in self defense, you first have to be good at the fundamentals which are best trained through kickboxing, ne waza, full contact etc.
Imagine the smell.