@@ryandavies8174 I think I stuck with 6.3G rollers for both malossi and polini variators as it’s hilly round here, they suited it. You need to play around with weights a lot to find the best balance to keep rpm steady all through acceleration.
Great video. I was watching videos on Chinese brands that talked about CDI boxes...doesn't apply to my Honda Giorno. Anyway, do you have a link to the upgraded variator and ecu? Thanks!
Hi thanks. Just search Google for Honda nsc50 variator and you’ll find malossi and polini ones for sale. The ecu you’d need to look on eBay for. The ecu doesn’t really make a huge difference , the biggest boost is the variator
Hi thanks for the video, im looking to upgrade myself and i just wanted to ask, did you also replace the spring with the one that comes in the malossi kit, and if so how complicated is it?
Dank Boi yeah I replaced the spring. The malossi one helps keep the revs up on hills and gives a bit better acceleration. It’s not hard to change , once you have the clutch off you need to stand on top of it while you unbolt it so it doesn’t spring in your face 😂😂 Search videos for scooter contra spring and you’ll see people changing them
i’m a 17 year old rider who isn’t in the financial situation to afford a 125 or car yet, so must stick with a 50 haha, anybody know how to de restrict a lexmoto nano 50cc? it’s has an ecu instead of a cdi, anyway i can do it without remapping? rollers and various different “restrictors” have been taken off, just need the ecu now as it still restricts the bike to 29.
Hey! I found This video very helpful, I just need to find the right variator u were talking about. Could you Please tell me its namn or send me a link where i can buy it?
Glad you found it useful. If you google Honda nsc50 malossi variator, or polini variator you will find those 2 makes. I couldn’t really say which is better, people find them both useful. If you’re in the uk I recommend euro scooter parts for great service or racing planet.
@@nitrorory Amazing video would you please indicate part number it starts with 241. I kind of struggling to find the right one also the number of the ECU
@@ebgom2405 sorry I don’t know what the part number is , I don’t have the bike any more so can’t check. If you look on eBay and search nsc110 ecu you could hopefully get a pic of one and have the part number on it.
Almost 40 MPH/ 65 kph regularly on my 20 km spin today. 67 kph on the slightest of declines. Woo-hoo Conditions: Absolutely no wind, freshly serviced brake caliper, fresh oil, fresh air filter, Iridium spark plug. 19.5 km with an average speed of 49.5 kph according to Endomondo, and it was NOT just in a straight line.
That sucks :( I suppose there’s less of these bikes on the road now, as you’ll need a 110cdi from before 2017 when the model changed. It doesn’t make as much difference as the variator anyway, that’s more important
@@nitrorory Thanks for the info, could be useful! I bought an nsc50r couple of months ago and it's haunting me! 🤣 Seems to have 110 clutch and driveshaft but no engine mods, runs sweet as a nut but hits the limiter at 15mph 🤦🤣 I found a honda wave 110 cdi, runs absolutely spot on with that apart from the fact it won't start on the button, have to drill the flywheel to get it to start 🤣
We've tried to derestrict our Honda vision NCS50 2013, we have changed to ECU from the 50 to the 110, we have changed the variator with a Polini kit, we replaced the clutch also with a RMS racing clutch, we changed the gearbox bearing and we replaced the belt with a Polini belt. After all this the bike struggles to get to 30 mph at best we get 27, then if we're slightly on an incline we get little to no power. The only thing that seems like it could be causing a problem is the exhaust, we run the bike for about 10 minutes and the exhaust gets extremely hot and there doesn't appear to be enough exhaust fumes coming out, but were not to sure if this would cause our problem. Has anyone else come across this problem as we don't want invest in a new exhaust if it's not necessary, if anyone could assist it would be much appreciated. Thank you Rob
@@nitrorory Thanks for your quick response, we really appreciate it, we currently have 6 gram weight rollers, can you recommend the roller that would be suitable, thanks Rob
@@robertalder9449 6g rollers should be fine in a polini variator. Is this bike new to you ? Wondering if you were sold somebody else’s problem. It sounds like there’s a problem somewhere else , maybe a faulty injector. All your tuning parts should be doing the trick. The engine could also be down on compression.
@@nitrorory the bike was given to my grandson from his uncle, only done 18k & 1 owner from new & used for commuting only. There was a problem before as the bike, over time was slowly loosing power. I have noticed at full throttle it does seem to miss, could this be a faulty injector. Thanks Rob
@@robertalder9449 if you are running it on the stand with the back wheel off the ground and give it full throttle you’ll hear it hit the Rev limiter which I think is what you’re hearing. First thing I’d do is stick a new plug in it. It might need the valve clearances adjusted. These bikes are usually very reliable and hardly need any attention. Was it sitting for a long time before your grandson got it ? Could it be years old petrol in it ?
Would I have to purchase a new variater in order to do the first part of the de-restriction? Attempting to self train myself as I’m stuck with one but can’t deal with going so slow 😂
@@nitrorory thanks mate appreciate it, the garage I got this from said the polini is the only way I can de-restrict I’ve not heard of the malossi I’ll look into it 👍
I have an NSC50R had a polloni variator kit installed and only about 5mph difference, bike under performs with 25mph flat and any slight incline 15mph and a steep hill it can sometimes come to a stop can you help
Something is really wrong. Maybe the variator is stuck so it’s always effectively in a high gear. You’d need to take the gear casing off and remove variator and have a look. If somebody installed it I’d take it back to them.
@@gavinmccue4057 I've found the same with a four stroke engine but obviously changing a cdi doesn't make a difference,I found on a two stroke it only changes the aspiration ie lower take off but good speed medium to hi end that's all it all depends what you want out of it I suppose it may give you a little but max acceleration is all that's needed think its find the balance of what you want.
No there’s no restriction as such , the variator restricts it… but you can get a bit more performance with the 110cdi as it allows a 1000rpm higher rev limit.
Hi, i have a Vision 110 2022, it cuts ignition at 110 km/h.... Do you know if its limited or there is a way to gain more RPM ? Is the variator limited too as this old model? Thank you
Hi sorry I don’t know anything about the 110 model I only had a 50. I don’t know if there is any way to go any faster - 110kmh is pretty fast anyway 😂😂
Hi there, wondered if you could advise, just bought as 2012 vision 50, just to use instead of the car to save a bit of fuel for running about to the shop ect, didnt realize how slow they are🙈, saw you video and got the pollini kit fitted today,but it has made no difference at all😭 any idea what I can do? Many thanks, Darren 👍
@@jr616 they should be black plastic if they are the same as the one I had. It’s easy enough to install , if you sit on the bike it’s under the seat on the right side right up against the plastics. It’s not the easiest to access but not too bad
Would just putting the nsc 110 ecu only do anything or do I need the malosi and the ecu. Please continue the videos. Excellent. Maybe a bit more explanation and a tripod cam. Adjust for each shot but loved it
The law in the U K was change in te 1970s No need for pedals on mopeds as long as they were restricted At that time you could ride a moped on a full car licence
@@elephantsmemory3142 wow. I don't understand? Why is it so strict? I mean, I always had my motorcycle licence so I don't care, but would be a nice option for people in the city traffic.
I don’t know , I’ve never had anyone on the back so I don’t really know how much strain it puts on it. Honda do make the seat big enough for 2 so I guess it’s designed to do that.
NSR Adventures if you still care, I have done it a few times but my ped never liked it. If your buying one to carry a pillion make sure your ped is powerful. I have seen my mates start rolling backwards down a hill when his 2 stroke couldn’t hack it
I have just bought a 2013 Honda NSC50R and it’s slow slow I’m literally getting 12mph uphill will the variator give me a lot more speed or do I need the ecu too?
That’s really slow even by nsc50 standards. Sounds like maybe your CVT system isn’t changing down ratios properly to get up the hill. The polini or malossi variators make a big difference , I’d definitely recommend getting one
@@groundkilla7325 the variator could fix it - it could be as simple as rollers needing replaced. If they don’t move properly the variator won’t move up and down ratios properly.
I put in the malossi multivar kit with the rollers that came with and my rpm's sound like they're maxing out when k give it gas but its fine at higher speeds plus it didn't increase my top speed idk what i did wrong.
What weight rollers did you get with the kit ? What you want to aim for is a roller that gives you the same rpm throughout all acceleration. If the revs are high at low rpm and you don’t seem to accelerate much then the rollers are too light. If the revs stay low at low speeds and only pick up as you reach higher speeds they are too heavy.
It gets replaced with one that changes how the drive belt can move to give you over 28mph and better acceleration. They are made by companies called Malossi and Polini.
hello how are you i want to ask a question if you answer me i have a honda nsc 50r i have no vision and can i decide ecu and honda vision 110cc and how many km per hour goes if i decide ecu 110cc i have malosi variator max speed with varitaor 60km
Does this work for 2014 models of the nsc50r? great little scooter but speed is a huge problem almost unsafe how slow it is especially pulling out of junctions etc. They say 28mph but that is a very small promise. This is literally on 100% flat ground or downhill. any slight gradient and the speed drops dramatically. Ive still had it for about 9 months now but still find it a huge problem when cars are almost clipping me where theyre all overtaking becuase theyre impatient
Yes it works for all nsc50 models. Have you serviced it recently , shouldn’t be quite that slow pulling out that it’s unsafe. Maybe needs a new air filter and spark plug ? Does it have a lot of miles on it ? Could be low compression due to wear and tear. Get a polini or malossi variator fitted , it makes the biggest difference.
nitrorory not recently no pal. ive just got it cos itll be a while before i can take my main test now cos this strange new world we live in. I reckon itll be worth getting it done. I appreciate they’re restricted but it takes long getting out of junctions even on full throttle hahaha
I did this and it took the top speed from 30 to 36mph but didn’t change acceleration. I’d definitely recommend doing variator first as it makes the most difference
@@nitrorory Yes, it is already on, it is already running about 60 km/h, only the 110 ECU is a bit difficult to find on the internet. I have to be patient .... but moped drives fantastic and is a nice alternative to the car, and fuel consumption is 1 liter per 52 kilometers..
I never did it but people say it doesn’t make any difference on these , standard ones big enough. I know malossi do one , it would sound cooler that’s all
My son has a 2017 NSC50 and we changed the variator to a hi-speed polini type and it did nothing, up to 29mph then it just stops ? Any ideas gravely appreciated. The bike is mint condition and 3300 mls.
On mine the polini variator got it to 36mph maybe a little more. Did you use the weights that came with the kit ? I can’t think why the new derestricted variator wouldn’t go past 29, never heard of that
I did use the weights supplied but not the big spring for the rear variator as it stated in the instructions only use on a ( Yamaha mbk ) and the rear standard spring is very strong as to the polini one being very weak. Also didn’t use the rear shoe springs as seems unnecessary. Maybe I should use the large rear variator spring ?
@@darren.hilldrup mine never said anything about the spring only to be used for a Yamaha. Something very strange there. Does the packaging definitely say it’s for the nsc50?
Hi Rory appreciate your help, the kit came from euro scooter parts and says for NSC50R and NSC vision 2012- on so mine is a 2017 . On page 4 of the fitting instructions 241.301 it states “ for Yamaha mbk only , for this special viariator we suggest replacing the original clutch spring with the polini one included in the kit” Perhaps the rear clutch needs the blue polini spring fitting and the yellow shoe springs as well ?
It doesn’t really give you any more top speed it can just help with acceleration a bit as it lets the engine rev 1000rpm higher. The biggest difference is with the variator.
No they are electronically fuel injected so don’t need to touch them. They always start so easily and always tuned for the conditions , fuel injection is great
@@nitrorory mine is not starting i thought carburetor is dirty i havent cleaned air filter ever i have 12k miles maybe its spark plug but it has power it nearly starts chugging im in ireland so its cold now
I don’t know the torque setting sorry. I just used my torque gun to buzz it on and that was tight enough. You could Google torque setting variator nut for any scooter really and use that
nitrorory Hi, again. So sorry about this but I’ve order the wrong one and had to send it back lol. Could you please send me the link to the one that you used please Thanks!
You gotta try different weights for where you live. If you have a lot of hills in your town like me you want slightly lighter ones to encourage vario to move down gearing. If you are in flatter place they can be a little heavier. I ended up with 6.5g
@@nitrorory just ordered it! Wanted to be sure i got the right one. I really love my honda scooter and i am so excited to give it even more love. Thanks!!
Justin Wong It’s not a massive difference but the spring that comes with the malossi kit does help keep the revs where they need to be a bit. It’s only slightly stiffer than stock. I’ve found going any stiffer than that one is pretty pointless and causes weird performance issues
I changed the variator to malossi and changed the spring too but it didnt increase anything on the bike so its rly up to you if you want to do the extra work for nothing
The variator definitely works , as for the ecu I think the nsc50r actually has a higher Rev limit anyway so you wouldn’t see a benefit - you might want to Google about the ecu to find out. Sure I read that somewhere
@@nitrorory would I need a torque gun for the variator upgrade? I'd like to derestrict it as cheap as possible. I live in a rural area where the cars drive obnoxiously fast and 28 feels really unsafe. Ideally, id restrict it to around 40mph with a cdi fix but it's hard to find more accurate info on it since the bike's not that common.
@@solared torque gun is the easiest way I found. Some scooters have tools you can buy that lock the variator solid so you can use a spanner to undo them but I never found any for the nsc50. You should get 37-40mph on the flat with a variator.
Hello. Will getting a new variator by itself make it go faster or is the ECU needed with the variator? How much faster will just the variator make it go? Thanks.
Miikka the variator alone takes the top speed from 28mph restricted to 37-40mph and is the first thing to do , it makes the biggest difference. With the ecu you can get slightly better acceleration and maybe a couple more mph
Hi Rory. Would you know the part number for the 110 ECU that you used? We're trying to de-restrict a 2014 model and bike breakers are asking for a number off of the ECU to match, and of course it's no use us giving them the number off of the 50. Cheers.
Sorry I don’t know what the official figure is. I just used to buzz it on with my electric impact gun and that would be fine. You might find a figure if you google it or use a figure from another Honda scooter
@@nitrorory hi Nitro Rory thankyou for replying, would the variator torque figure be the same for both the NSC50 and the NSC110? The only figure I could find was 59 Nm on a Dutch scooter forum but that was for the NSC50, I assume it should be the same for the 110?. Ive got blue locktite and a 80 Nm torque wrench. I just dont want to torque it wrong and have the nut come off while im at speed
A.F I honestly can’t say but I do know some hondas where the ecu looks exactly the same have been found to work in the past. If it’s cheap enough you could try 😄
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Good information. It's interesting that Honda made the variator the restriction instead of putting a ring in limiting travel like most manufacturers.
I've changed just Malossi roller, not yet the clutch spring & it's giving me 40mph on normal surface road. Thanks for your video.
Yeah the Malossi alone makes the biggest difference , 40mph is good for these ☺️👍🏻👍🏻
What weight rollers did you use
@@ryandavies8174 I think I stuck with 6.3G rollers for both malossi and polini variators as it’s hilly round here, they suited it. You need to play around with weights a lot to find the best balance to keep rpm steady all through acceleration.
Honda vision 2008-2011 ECU works perfectly in my honda NSC50R 2013. 43km/h=> 53km/h
Great video. I was watching videos on Chinese brands that talked about CDI boxes...doesn't apply to my Honda Giorno. Anyway, do you have a link to the upgraded variator and ecu? Thanks!
Hi thanks. Just search Google for Honda nsc50 variator and you’ll find malossi and polini ones for sale. The ecu you’d need to look on eBay for. The ecu doesn’t really make a huge difference , the biggest boost is the variator
Great video I have a Honda nsc 50 2017 and I’m wondering which one will fit?
Thanks! Either the malossi or polini variator will fit
@@nitrorory thank you cause I couldn’t find a good description on which one would fit for each model you have a great channel!
@@calebbriggs5403 as far as I’m aware they never changed the nsc50 through its life so the variators will fit them all.
Hi thanks for the video, im looking to upgrade myself and i just wanted to ask, did you also replace the spring with the one that comes in the malossi kit, and if so how complicated is it?
Dank Boi yeah I replaced the spring. The malossi one helps keep the revs up on hills and gives a bit better acceleration. It’s not hard to change , once you have the clutch off you need to stand on top of it while you unbolt it so it doesn’t spring in your face 😂😂
Search videos for scooter contra spring and you’ll see people changing them
@@fjlpc4218 the link doesn't work
do you know a better ECU for Lead/elite 110? These are also rpm restricted!
@@inscope12 sorry I don’t know anything about them
Hello Nitro! Do you have any idea on how i derestrict my bullit 50?
Hey man, I don’t know myself but I think the answer is on the forum somewhere on ridingreviews.co.uk
Can you confirm that the ECU from a nsc 110 fits this and that you get a higher engine speed ?
Yes an ecu from a 110 up to year 2017 gives another 1000rpm
i’m a 17 year old rider who isn’t in the financial situation to afford a 125 or car yet, so must stick with a 50 haha, anybody know how to de restrict a lexmoto nano 50cc? it’s has an ecu instead of a cdi, anyway i can do it without remapping? rollers and various different “restrictors” have been taken off, just need the ecu now as it still restricts the bike to 29.
And then you don't show how fast the scooter goes.I mean what good is all that if you can't tell what the improvement is
I’m sorry that my FREE advice isn’t good enough for you xxx
Hey! I found This video very helpful, I just need to find the right variator u were talking about. Could you Please tell me its namn or send me a link where i can buy it?
Glad you found it useful. If you google Honda nsc50 malossi variator, or polini variator you will find those 2 makes. I couldn’t really say which is better, people find them both useful. If you’re in the uk I recommend euro scooter parts for great service or racing planet.
@@nitrorory Amazing video would you please indicate part number it starts with 241. I kind of struggling to find the right one also the number of the ECU
@@ebgom2405 sorry I don’t know what the part number is , I don’t have the bike any more so can’t check. If you look on eBay and search nsc110 ecu you could hopefully get a pic of one and have the part number on it.
Anyone know how to derestrict a 2018 fuel injected sym moped ??
Almost 40 MPH/ 65 kph regularly on my 20 km spin today. 67 kph on the slightest of declines. Woo-hoo
Conditions: Absolutely no wind, freshly serviced brake caliper, fresh oil, fresh air filter, Iridium spark plug.
19.5 km with an average speed of 49.5 kph according to Endomondo, and it was NOT just in a straight line.
Erik_DK that’s as good as I’ve had I think , no wind makes such a difference to our little 50s lol.
It’s fun getting as much out of them as you can :)
Same here and I only have the Malossi Vario, I hit 71ish once on a steep downhill section😀
Christian Noble That is a world record for a nsc50 😄
It was coming down off a really long bridge, mine does normally 60-63. I saw 80kph+ videos of the little Hondas on youtube somewhere.
Christian Noble I think any doing 80 will have the malossi 83cc big bore kit. I’ve been toying with the idea but not sure, I kinda feel like a change.
So hard to find a 110 cdi/ECU nowadays :(
That sucks :( I suppose there’s less of these bikes on the road now, as you’ll need a 110cdi from before 2017 when the model changed.
It doesn’t make as much difference as the variator anyway, that’s more important
@@nitrorory Thanks for the info, could be useful! I bought an nsc50r couple of months ago and it's haunting me! 🤣 Seems to have 110 clutch and driveshaft but no engine mods, runs sweet as a nut but hits the limiter at 15mph 🤦🤣 I found a honda wave 110 cdi, runs absolutely spot on with that apart from the fact it won't start on the button, have to drill the flywheel to get it to start 🤣
We've tried to derestrict our Honda vision NCS50 2013, we have changed to ECU from the 50 to the 110, we have changed the variator with a Polini kit, we replaced the clutch also with a RMS racing clutch, we changed the gearbox bearing and we replaced the belt with a Polini belt. After all this the bike struggles to get to 30 mph at best we get 27, then if we're slightly on an incline we get little to no power. The only thing that seems like it could be causing a problem is the exhaust, we run the bike for about 10 minutes and the exhaust gets extremely hot and there doesn't appear to be enough exhaust fumes coming out, but were not to sure if this would cause our problem. Has anyone else come across this problem as we don't want invest in a new exhaust if it's not necessary, if anyone could assist it would be much appreciated. Thank you Rob
What weight rollers are you using ? If they are too heavy the bike reaches a high ratio too quickly and will be really bad on hills.
@@nitrorory Thanks for your quick response, we really appreciate it, we currently have 6 gram weight rollers, can you recommend the roller that would be suitable, thanks Rob
@@robertalder9449 6g rollers should be fine in a polini variator.
Is this bike new to you ? Wondering if you were sold somebody else’s problem.
It sounds like there’s a problem somewhere else , maybe a faulty injector. All your tuning parts should be doing the trick.
The engine could also be down on compression.
@@nitrorory the bike was given to my grandson from his uncle, only done 18k & 1 owner from new & used for commuting only. There was a problem before as the bike, over time was slowly loosing power. I have noticed at full throttle it does seem to miss, could this be a faulty injector. Thanks Rob
@@robertalder9449 if you are running it on the stand with the back wheel off the ground and give it full throttle you’ll hear it hit the Rev limiter which I think is what you’re hearing.
First thing I’d do is stick a new plug in it. It might need the valve clearances adjusted. These bikes are usually very reliable and hardly need any attention.
Was it sitting for a long time before your grandson got it ? Could it be years old petrol in it ?
Thanks mate all the best !
Dragomir Nedkov no problem , hope it helps !
Buongiorno il vision 50 4t ha le luci a led vicino alle frecce ho devo fare la modifica
Sorry I don’t speak Italian
Hi. It's a awesome video.. What's the top speed after that!??
Thanks 😄 it did about 40mph on the flat
@@nitrorory well great! thanks
Would I have to purchase a new variater in order to do the first part of the de-restriction? Attempting to self train myself as I’m stuck with one but can’t deal with going so slow 😂
Yes search for either polini or Malossi variator that’s the 2 you can buy. It makes the most difference , the cdi only helps a little more
@@nitrorory thanks mate appreciate it, the garage I got this from said the polini is the only way I can de-restrict I’ve not heard of the malossi I’ll look into it 👍
hi rory mate i was wondering what year your honda vision is also and what year was the ecu?
It was a 2015 and I’m not sure what year the ecu was. I just searched for a vision 110 ecu on eBay and bought one that looked the same
Hello ! Thanks for this video . Is it available for a 2012 Honda vision 50 4stroke ?
Hi yes the polini or Malossi variators will fit. Google nsc50 variators to check them out
Hello, could you find me a link for the ECU. Thanks.
If your looking for a 110 ecu they can be difficult to come by
Best thing to do is watch ebay i couldnt find any but went on the other day and there was one there so its just luck
Pablo ye for mine which is 2015 i needed a plastic one not metal
Pablo ye should be the same ill have a look at number
Pablo 9063
I have just done this on my Honda vision 50cc, the first tutorial. Now my bike won’t go any faster than 10mp/h
Well id take it off and go back to stock and find out where you went wrong, although to be honest sounds like you’re taking the piss
@@nitrorory I’m not taking the piss mate I know it sounds like it but honestly It wont😂😂,
All I did was take the weights out
Well put them back in ! 😂
@@nitrorory you instructed on the video that taking the weights out makes the bike go faster?
Have a NSC 50R recently purchased on flats it hits 35 mph and stops any reason for this?
Has it got a derestricted variator ? Does it do more downhill ?
I have an NSC50R had a polloni variator kit installed and only about 5mph difference, bike under performs with 25mph flat and any slight incline 15mph and a steep hill it can sometimes come to a stop can you help
Something is really wrong. Maybe the variator is stuck so it’s always effectively in a high gear.
You’d need to take the gear casing off and remove variator and have a look. If somebody installed it I’d take it back to them.
Mines sort of the same it goes to about ten mph then sits at that for a couple seconds and Carey’s on after that and does it again at about 25
@@gavinmccue4057 I've found the same with a four stroke engine but obviously changing a cdi doesn't make a difference,I found on a two stroke it only changes the aspiration ie lower take off but good speed medium to hi end that's all it all depends what you want out of it I suppose it may give you a little but max acceleration is all that's needed think its find the balance of what you want.
will a NHX 110 cdi work? cannot find any NSC for sale.
I have no idea sorry
@nitro rory hello when you will order ecu 110cc should you look at the ecu code written in ecu
Hi sorry I don’t know if the code number means anything , the one I bought just worked
Would you say that the Polini variator set is the same?
Yes the malossi and polini ones seem much the same.
is there no restriction on the cdi ?
No there’s no restriction as such , the variator restricts it… but you can get a bit more performance with the 110cdi as it allows a 1000rpm higher rev limit.
Hi, i have a Vision 110 2022, it cuts ignition at 110 km/h.... Do you know if its limited or there is a way to gain more RPM ? Is the variator limited too as this old model? Thank you
Hi sorry I don’t know anything about the 110 model I only had a 50. I don’t know if there is any way to go any faster - 110kmh is pretty fast anyway 😂😂
@@nitrorory hahaha yeah, but 110 in the dash, is 102-105 in reality.... So not much i think.
Hi there, wondered if you could advise, just bought as 2012 vision 50, just to use instead of the car to save a bit of fuel for running about to the shop ect, didnt realize how slow they are🙈, saw you video and got the pollini kit fitted today,but it has made no difference at all😭 any idea what I can do? Many thanks, Darren 👍
That’s a strange one , will it still not go over 30 mph ? How many miles are on your bike
Hi, only 7000
No it wont go over 30 even down hill🙄👍
@@darrenmuller1826 sorry that’s really confusing me. There isn’t some sort of spacer ring is there ?
@@darrenmuller1826 did you solve this?
@@millymoo6575 I bought a 110 ecu for 100 quid and now it will do 40 + downhill and 30 ish on a straight, but it is still so guttless🙈
so it dosent have any washer restrict like many other scooters have in the variator?
There’s no washers in the uk market ones for sure. Whether the ones sold in other countries had washers I don’t know.
Okey. In the malossi kit there comes a spring. Do i have to change the spring as well
@@askeli1383 you don’t HAVE to but it helps the acceleration if you do
Hi, great vid 👍 Got a q
If i was to switch the variator for a polini one , would that make much of a difference without also switching the ecu?
Also the ecu’s I’m seeing on ebay for the 110 all look metal n different shaped to the 50, how easy is the install? Thanks
Yes the ecu just adds a little extra but the main difference is the variator ☺️
@@jr616 they should be black plastic if they are the same as the one I had. It’s easy enough to install , if you sit on the bike it’s under the seat on the right side right up against the plastics. It’s not the easiest to access but not too bad
@@nitrorory thanks alot
@@nitrorory all the ones I see are the metal different shaped ones, and I can’t find the black one anywhere. Do you think they’ll fit?
Hi. Do you know the difference between the ecu before and after 2017? It seem like there is 2 versions in both the nsc50 and nsc110.
Sorry I don't know what was changed, I only know of the bike I had which was 2015.
nitrorory mines a 2015 what ecu did u get, if known could i get a link
How tight does the variator nut have to be
I just buzzed it up with my torque gun. I don’t know what the official torque figure is sorry. Google might tell you
great video! how fast is it with the 110 ECU and polini? only with polini my vision get 55km/h (34mph). it is too slow for me..thanks!
Thomas Böcker Thanks ! The 110ecu helps mine get to about 40mph on the flat.
What weight are your rollers ? Maybe they are too light ?
Samuel Scaleb We do get the 110cc model here in uk but the one in the video I have is a 50cc and they need all the extra speed we can find 😂😂👍🏻
Samuel Scaleb The nsc50 is fine for around towns and cities, when derestricted can do 40mph / 60kmh - just not uphill lol.
Would just putting the nsc 110 ecu only do anything or do I need the malosi and the ecu. Please continue the videos. Excellent. Maybe a bit more explanation and a tripod cam. Adjust for each shot but loved it
Hallo Böcki. Have I been banned from the Innova Forum???
I don't understand, it's under 50 cc and restricted for being too powerful?? Why?
The law in the U K was change in te 1970s No need for pedals on mopeds as long as they were restricted At that time you could ride a moped on a full car licence
@@elephantsmemory3142 that is just mental!! In most countries you can ride anything up to 125 cc with a car licence.
@@paulwhat322 It's actually worse for people that passed their test after 2000 They lost the moped entitlement
@@elephantsmemory3142 wow. I don't understand? Why is it so strict?
I mean, I always had my motorcycle licence so I don't care, but would be a nice option for people in the city traffic.
@@paulwhat322 I'm afraid I can't answer for the government They have lots of stupid laws and they manage to come up with more and more as time goes on
Hi! is it okay to have a backrider on the moped? won't this cause future problems on the engine?
I don’t know , I’ve never had anyone on the back so I don’t really know how much strain it puts on it. Honda do make the seat big enough for 2 so I guess it’s designed to do that.
@@nitrorory I have the same impression on this one. Perhaps I should ask the manufacturer. Thanks for the reply.
NSR Adventures if you still care, I have done it a few times but my ped never liked it. If your buying one to carry a pillion make sure your ped is powerful. I have seen my mates start rolling backwards down a hill when his 2 stroke couldn’t hack it
what engine does it have?
50cc 4 stroke fuel injected
I have just bought a 2013 Honda NSC50R and it’s slow slow I’m literally getting 12mph uphill will the variator give me a lot more speed or do I need the ecu too?
That’s really slow even by nsc50 standards. Sounds like maybe your CVT system isn’t changing down ratios properly to get up the hill. The polini or malossi variators make a big difference , I’d definitely recommend getting one
@@nitrorory how would I go about fixing the cvt would the variator fix that or is there another fix?
@@groundkilla7325 the variator could fix it - it could be as simple as rollers needing replaced. If they don’t move properly the variator won’t move up and down ratios properly.
@@nitrorory thank you for your reply’s really appreciate it
@@groundkilla7325 you’re welcome 👍🏻
I put in the malossi multivar kit with the rollers that came with and my rpm's sound like they're maxing out when k give it gas but its fine at higher speeds plus it didn't increase my top speed idk what i did wrong.
What weight rollers did you get with the kit ?
What you want to aim for is a roller that gives you the same rpm throughout all acceleration.
If the revs are high at low rpm and you don’t seem to accelerate much then the rollers are too light.
If the revs stay low at low speeds and only pick up as you reach higher speeds they are too heavy.
@@nitrorory currently have the ones that malossi gives you in the kit 7.5g
@@Jakubcarphotography they should be alright to be fair. Sorry I don’t have any other ideas what might be holding it back
@@nitrorory only happened after i fitted the new variator so idk
Any other way to make a honda nsc50r quicker im looking for like 45mph
Malossi sell a big bore kit which is about 83cc I think , that’s what you need for a large boost in power
@@nitrorory alright thank you for the quick reply :)
@@Jakubcarphotography No worries! The malossi big bore kit would be a lot of fun! From what I've seen it will do 45-50mph on the flat
I’m abit slow and new to bikes do you need to replace the variator or simply take it off ?
It gets replaced with one that changes how the drive belt can move to give you over 28mph and better acceleration. They are made by companies called Malossi and Polini.
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hello how are you i want to ask a question if you answer me i have a honda nsc 50r i have no vision and can i decide ecu and honda vision 110cc and how many km per hour goes if i decide ecu 110cc i have malosi variator max speed with varitaor 60km
Mine did about 70kmh with that setup
@@nitrorory thank you
@@nitrorory please link for buy ecu
@@alajdinnuredini4314 I found mine on eBay , you’ll just have to look there
@@nitrorory moet het met dezelfde code zijn als je wandeling
Does this work for 2014 models of the nsc50r? great little scooter but speed is a huge problem almost unsafe how slow it is especially pulling out of junctions etc. They say 28mph but that is a very small promise. This is literally on 100% flat ground or downhill. any slight gradient and the speed drops dramatically. Ive still had it for about 9 months now but still find it a huge problem when cars are almost clipping me where theyre all overtaking becuase theyre impatient
Yes it works for all nsc50 models. Have you serviced it recently , shouldn’t be quite that slow pulling out that it’s unsafe. Maybe needs a new air filter and spark plug ? Does it have a lot of miles on it ? Could be low compression due to wear and tear.
Get a polini or malossi variator fitted , it makes the biggest difference.
nitrorory not recently no pal. ive just got it cos itll be a while before i can take my main test now cos this strange new world we live in. I reckon itll be worth getting it done. I appreciate they’re restricted but it takes long getting out of junctions even on full throttle hahaha
honestly today i literally took a three mile ride somewhere and back and the amount of times i got overtook was unreal! and it was mostly 30 zones 😤😤
Never make ur rollers out if you dont have them all itil fuck ur bike up did the same to my sr125
Well yeah you can’t run a bike with a roller missing lol
the second part what do you do could you explain a bit more clear take it out or change it? thanks
The ecu ? You can change it for an nsc110 ecu for a bit more top speed
Where can I buy the ecu110. Any1 got a link??
Search eBay
I’m fairly new, and out of curiosity. If I was to only change the ECU and leave the variator, would I see any difference?
I did this and it took the top speed from 30 to 36mph but didn’t change acceleration.
I’d definitely recommend doing variator first as it makes the most difference
nitrorory Okay thanks!
The 110 ECU and Malossi Multivar with 5.25 gram Rollers give me 71 kph downhill speed and 63 kph with tailwind. The speed is rarely as low as 45 kph
Erik_DK excellent sounds like it’s going well ☺️☺️
110 ecu te same as 50..pluck and play..?
Yes I just plugged it in
Great now i need the speed...👍😄
@@121marko121 most important thing is the new variator - polini or malossi
@@nitrorory Yes, it is already on, it is already running about 60 km/h, only the 110 ECU is a bit difficult to find on the internet. I have to be patient .... but moped drives fantastic and is a nice alternative to the car, and fuel consumption is 1 liter per 52 kilometers..
Would changing the exhaust help too?
I never did it but people say it doesn’t make any difference on these , standard ones big enough.
I know malossi do one , it would sound cooler that’s all
I have the honda nsc 50r and got the 110 ecu and a turbo kit exhaust, it drives 71 km/h on the display.
Im french bit speak english , were is a cdi ?shop ?
On eBay
@@nitrorory the link please 🙏
How many gramms have your variator Rollers 🤔?
SwallowMy Coq I had 6.5g rollers
@@nitrorory i try them out thanks m8 :)
My son has a 2017 NSC50 and we changed the variator to a hi-speed polini type and it did nothing, up to 29mph then it just stops ? Any ideas gravely appreciated. The bike is mint condition and 3300 mls.
On mine the polini variator got it to 36mph maybe a little more. Did you use the weights that came with the kit ?
I can’t think why the new derestricted variator wouldn’t go past 29, never heard of that
@@nitrorory almost as if the speedo has a restrictive job or it needs a 110 ECU.
I did use the weights supplied but not the big spring for the rear variator as it stated in the instructions only use on a ( Yamaha mbk ) and the rear standard spring is very strong as to the polini one being very weak. Also didn’t use the rear shoe springs as seems unnecessary. Maybe I should use the large rear variator spring ?
@@darren.hilldrup mine never said anything about the spring only to be used for a Yamaha. Something very strange there. Does the packaging definitely say it’s for the nsc50?
Hi Rory appreciate your help, the kit came from euro scooter parts and says for NSC50R and NSC vision 2012- on so mine is a 2017 . On page 4 of the fitting instructions 241.301 it states “ for Yamaha mbk only , for this special viariator we suggest replacing the original clutch spring with the polini one included in the kit” Perhaps the rear clutch needs the blue polini spring fitting and the yellow shoe springs as well ?
I have the variator done and get about 38-39 on the flat would it be worth getting the ecu the what’s the downhill top speed etc
It doesn’t really give you any more top speed it can just help with acceleration a bit as it lets the engine rev 1000rpm higher. The biggest difference is with the variator.
@@nitrorory ah okay I just feel it hitting the rev limit down a lot of hills
@@spamz5913 yeah you really won’t get much more out of it with the extra 1000rpm. If I had a vision again I wouldn’t bother changing the ecu
@@nitrorory okay thanks for the information
I have the honda vision 110 , 2021 does it work?
The 110 isn’t restricted
@@nitrorory i wanna make it to gofaster how can I do? Fo y have a video or smtng
@@claudiovip98v50 no sorry I don’t know about the 110. I only had a 50.
does a honda vision 50cc have a serviceable carburetor can i clean it put it back ?
No they are electronically fuel injected so don’t need to touch them. They always start so easily and always tuned for the conditions , fuel injection is great
@@nitrorory mine is not starting i thought carburetor is dirty i havent cleaned air filter ever i have 12k miles maybe its spark plug but it has power it nearly starts chugging im in ireland so its cold now
i mean mine is cranking turning over what do you think it is ?
Well first thing I’d do is take out spark plug , put connector back on sit it against something metal and see if it sparks
gram roller please
I used 6.5g because there are a lot of hills here
What torque did you use on the variator nut? And clutch nut?
I don’t know the torque setting sorry. I just used my torque gun to buzz it on and that was tight enough.
You could Google torque setting variator nut for any scooter really and use that
Hi. Will the 110cc ecu affect fuelling?
It uses a little more fuel but not much and I still got about 120mpg from mine.
@@nitrorory Thanks. My polini kit arrives next week. I'll try that first. I might be happy with that
@@robwilsonirl the biggest difference is the variator so I think you’ll be pleased with that 👍🏻
Could you please tell me exactly what variator I need to install in the Honda NSC50 to get a wee bit more speed. Cheers!
2 companies make them and there’s hardly any difference between the 2 so take your pick. Google malossi or polini variator for nsc50
nitrorory couldn’t I use a variator from a Honda vision NSC110?
nitrorory As I seen one for cheap. I don’t think it will have the restrictions on it wouldn’t it?
Blu Wolf I’m sure they are physically too big and would have a different ramp angle to suit the bigger engine anyway so I wouldn’t think it’s any use.
nitrorory Hi, again. So sorry about this but I’ve order the wrong one and had to send it back lol. Could you please send me the link to the one that you used please Thanks!
What’s the best rollers
You gotta try different weights for where you live. If you have a lot of hills in your town like me you want slightly lighter ones to encourage vario to move down gearing. If you are in flatter place they can be a little heavier. I ended up with 6.5g
Where can i buy the varaitor?
Google polini or Malossi variator for Honda nsc50
@@nitrorory just ordered it! Wanted to be sure i got the right one. I really love my honda scooter and i am so excited to give it even more love. Thanks!!
@@petermoravec4269 you’ll enjoy it even more with a performance variator !
@@nitrorory 42 -> 55 km/h. However, I do not recommend doing this as a kid, unles you have a very experienced dad!
Now the price of NSC 110 ECU's will go through the roof
Erik_DK my video isn’t that popular 😂😂
@@nitrorory I thought I had it made by buying an ECU for a Honda Metropolitan 50 from Japan. It has 2.8kW@8150rpm instead of 2.5@7000rpm. No luck.
Erik_DK There are 2 110 cdis on uk eBay for about the £50 mark right now if you want to try that
@@nitrorory At least one of them is listed as NSC110 but is in reality for a SH300i.
@@nitrorory I just bought one from Italy for 80 Euros.
Does a stiffer contra spring help?
Justin Wong It’s not a massive difference but the spring that comes with the malossi kit does help keep the revs where they need to be a bit. It’s only slightly stiffer than stock.
I’ve found going any stiffer than that one is pretty pointless and causes weird performance issues
I changed the variator to malossi and changed the spring too but it didnt increase anything on the bike so its rly up to you if you want to do the extra work for nothing
i changed the variator and the spring and it went from not going over 50 kmh to going above 60.
@@leolinde6977 mine goes over 60km with out the spring. I guess it rly depends on the bike
LeoLinde it makes a huge difference. Every km/h matters on a little 50cc 😂
Does it work on a nsc50r?
The variator definitely works , as for the ecu I think the nsc50r actually has a higher Rev limit anyway so you wouldn’t see a benefit - you might want to Google about the ecu to find out. Sure I read that somewhere
@@nitrorory would I need a torque gun for the variator upgrade? I'd like to derestrict it as cheap as possible. I live in a rural area where the cars drive obnoxiously fast and 28 feels really unsafe.
Ideally, id restrict it to around 40mph with a cdi fix but it's hard to find more accurate info on it since the bike's not that common.
@@solared torque gun is the easiest way I found. Some scooters have tools you can buy that lock the variator solid so you can use a spanner to undo them but I never found any for the nsc50.
You should get 37-40mph on the flat with a variator.
@@nitrorory thanks :) getting tired of being overtaken in *30 zones*
@@solared yip I know what you mean ! I hate holding traffic up in any way, 30mph on the speedo is a bit less than 30 anyway !
Aswell my bikes a 2013 model will any year ecu from a nsc110 work? Or will it have to be a certain year
110 ecu between 2012-2017 is what you want.
@@nitrorory is there any other upgrades you know of that I could to to increase the speed/acceleration of the bike? Thank you for your reply
@@groundkilla7325 nothing else other than buying the full and expensive malossi 83cc kit
Hello. Will getting a new variator by itself make it go faster or is the ECU needed with the variator? How much faster will just the variator make it go? Thanks.
Miikka the variator alone takes the top speed from 28mph restricted to 37-40mph and is the first thing to do , it makes the biggest difference. With the ecu you can get slightly better acceleration and maybe a couple more mph
I would like to get mine goin around 34mph. I am going to get malossi's multi variator but what rolls should i get to not make it go much over 34mph?
Miikka pretty much any roller setup with malossi it could do more than 34mph but only like 37mph so not much difference.
@@nitrorory What do you think could I put a sleeve on it or somehow get it bit slower than the 39 it is now at.
@@kristian8958 I have no idea how to slow it down. I’d either leave it as it is or put it back to standard if you are worried about it being too fast.
Hi Rory. Would you know the part number for the 110 ECU that you used? We're trying to de-restrict a 2014 model and bike breakers are asking for a number off of the ECU to match, and of course it's no use us giving them the number off of the 50. Cheers.
I don’t sorry. I don’t have the bike any more to check. Have you changed the variator ? That’s the first thing to do and derestricts the bike.
Could i use an ECU from other honda 110 scooters with the same connector or does it have to be from the vision?
I *think* the ecu from other hondas with same connector like the Honda lead work but as I haven’t done it myself I can guarantee it !
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Hi mate, is this the same for the vision 110 2014? Thanks
The 110 isn’t restricted
Will this work on the newer mcs50r (2014) ?
I take it you meant nsc50r ? Yeah it’s that model of bike I had, mine was a 2015
Where can I buy the ecu110. Any1 got a link??
I'm having same problem, did you figure it out?
@@rojus2522 boy I am driving 60 kmp/h since I wrote this
@@petermoravec4269 with new variator and 110 ecu? or only new variator?
@@rojus2522 only variator
@@petermoravec4269 and what roller weight do you use?
Hi how much N.m torque do you tighten the Variator nut to?
Sorry I don’t know what the official figure is. I just used to buzz it on with my electric impact gun and that would be fine. You might find a figure if you google it or use a figure from another Honda scooter
@@nitrorory hi Nitro Rory thankyou for replying, would the variator torque figure be the same for both the NSC50 and the NSC110? The only figure I could find was 59 Nm on a Dutch scooter forum but that was for the NSC50, I assume it should be the same for the 110?. Ive got blue locktite and a 80 Nm torque wrench. I just dont want to torque it wrong and have the nut come off while im at speed
@@otablott7779 yes I’d say that’s a safe bet, they are very similar. Could make it 50nm just to be sure it’s not crazy tight.
Would a ECU from a Honda AFS 110 Wave fit too?
I don’t know if it’s the same sorry
@@nitrorory I mean the buildt of the ecu looks the same and the plug would fit too in the NSC50r
A.F I honestly can’t say but I do know some hondas where the ecu looks exactly the same have been found to work in the past. If it’s cheap enough you could try 😄
Did it work?