So funny I am watching this 4 yrs later… trying to understand if what was said here came true. As far as I can see Cloud has only gotten bigger and the desire to run business off the cloud has not really changed from 4 yrs ago. Most companies are just smarter about how to leverage the cloud and run a hybrid model if they used to run data centers.
"People don't want 'cloud.' They just want services." But "cloud" is a useful shorthand for all the services delivered as elastic, self service, pay as you go, with guaranteed levels of security and compliance. Who wants to constantly say all that when one can just use "cloud" as shorthand?
What makes you think being on cloud "guarantees levels of security and compliance" ? Clouds provide a framework where you can provide those things for yourself, but if you don't know what you're doing, you can absolutely hurt yourself out there. Cloud is not a toy.
@@rjhintz "...with guaranteed levels of security and compliance" it was an actual quote from your statement... "with" implies all those things are baked in... public cloud services are a shared responsibility model and there's no guarantee of anything, only an SLA
@@PacificSword Therer's a distinction between, as I've indicated in my reply, what services a cloud provider offers and the apps that a customer builds on top. That is, user functions on cloud don't necessarily have any guaranteed level of security and compliance just because the IaaS provider does. AWS, for instance, is compliant with SOC 1-3, but that doesn't mean that a customer app is similarly compliant. Does that make sense? Do you think this is a valid distinction, between what compliance an infra provider may have vs what compliance a user may have with an app built on top of a provider's infra? The end product of the shared responsibility model is as compliant as the user can justify, but that doesn't affect the compliance of the underlying layers. If there was a null app on top of a provider's infra, that app would presumably be as compliant as the provider's guarantees. Why do you think providers go through the SOC attestation? Have you ever taken an app through SOC compliance? Maybe I'm missing your point.
Four years later, cloud is still going strong… no one cares about VMs, it’s the cloud native services and automation. some of these guys have missed the point, it’s the ease of automation. The ability to spin up resources take just mins… in every company I have worked in on-Orem IT does not come close to the speed of delivery and ability to manage all of it easily (Automation). Automation is possible on premise, it’s just that traditional IT folks don’t understand it. Look at what’s now happening to VMWare… looks like only big companies are going to be able to afford it. The marketing of “Cloud” has cause more issues for everyone than anything else. I dislike the term too, but it’s the on-prem IT model as it has been is continuing to fade. Until these services are comparable on-premises, “cloud” will continue to grow as it has been growing.
The price is what is going to weigh heavily in the decision. I've spent decades on-prem, and now 5 year almost totally in Azure. On-prem I was in the datacenter hours per week, swapping disks, installing new kit, I was managed SANs, storage switches, VMware, Windows OS. Lots of new services in the cloud, but the cost is ... intense. Having transferred all servers to Azure as VMs we now have to re-develop our systems to use native-to-cloud services. Data centers of your own are much cheaper and flexible. You didn't discuss specifics, say you have a 128GB disk and need a bit more space, on-prem you can nudge it up 30GB, in Azure you have to pay for 256GB. in Azure you have to turn machines off a lot to save money, every decision now has to get finance approval because it involves money.
Utilities are rarely sexy businesses. The cloud will never go away. Startups will always salivate over moving capex to opex, but the margins will compress as it moves to a biz model akin to a traditional utility w/ SAAS/open-source a la carte competition. *Unlike traditional utilities, cloud providers DO NOT have regional footprint advantages.
Who came here after the recent trend where people are considering leaving the cloud ?
So funny I am watching this 4 yrs later… trying to understand if what was said here came true. As far as I can see Cloud has only gotten bigger and the desire to run business off the cloud has not really changed from 4 yrs ago. Most companies are just smarter about how to leverage the cloud and run a hybrid model if they used to run data centers.
Seems as though this aged like milk. Companies are figuring out whether or not cloud makes sense. Some are finding it doesn’t. Go figure.
"People don't want 'cloud.' They just want services."
But "cloud" is a useful shorthand for all the services delivered as elastic, self service, pay as you go, with guaranteed levels of security and compliance. Who wants to constantly say all that when one can just use "cloud" as shorthand?
What makes you think being on cloud "guarantees levels of security and compliance" ? Clouds provide a framework where you can provide those things for yourself, but if you don't know what you're doing, you can absolutely hurt yourself out there. Cloud is not a toy.
@@PacificSword What makes you think I said anything about the security and compliance of user functions built on cloud? Or that cloud is a toy?
@@rjhintz "...with guaranteed levels of security and compliance" it was an actual quote from your statement... "with" implies all those things are baked in... public cloud services are a shared responsibility model and there's no guarantee of anything, only an SLA
@@PacificSword Therer's a distinction between, as I've indicated in my reply, what services a cloud provider offers and the apps that a customer builds on top.
That is, user functions on cloud don't necessarily have any guaranteed level of security and compliance just because the IaaS provider does. AWS, for instance, is compliant with SOC 1-3, but that doesn't mean that a customer app is similarly compliant.
Does that make sense? Do you think this is a valid distinction, between what compliance an infra provider may have vs what compliance a user may have with an app built on top of a provider's infra?
The end product of the shared responsibility model is as compliant as the user can justify, but that doesn't affect the compliance of the underlying layers. If there was a null app on top of a provider's infra, that app would presumably be as compliant as the provider's guarantees.
Why do you think providers go through the SOC attestation? Have you ever taken an app through SOC compliance? Maybe I'm missing your point.
@@PacificSword the SLA is THE guarantee.
Four years later, cloud is still going strong… no one cares about VMs, it’s the cloud native services and automation. some of these guys have missed the point, it’s the ease of automation. The ability to spin up resources take just mins… in every company I have worked in on-Orem IT does not come close to the speed of delivery and ability to manage all of it easily (Automation). Automation is possible on premise, it’s just that traditional IT folks don’t understand it.
Look at what’s now happening to VMWare… looks like only big companies are going to be able to afford it.
The marketing of “Cloud” has cause more issues for everyone than anything else. I dislike the term too, but it’s the on-prem IT model as it has been is continuing to fade. Until these services are comparable on-premises, “cloud” will continue to grow as it has been growing.
The price is what is going to weigh heavily in the decision. I've spent decades on-prem, and now 5 year almost totally in Azure. On-prem I was in the datacenter hours per week, swapping disks, installing new kit, I was managed SANs, storage switches, VMware, Windows OS. Lots of new services in the cloud, but the cost is ... intense. Having transferred all servers to Azure as VMs we now have to re-develop our systems to use native-to-cloud services. Data centers of your own are much cheaper and flexible. You didn't discuss specifics, say you have a 128GB disk and need a bit more space, on-prem you can nudge it up 30GB, in Azure you have to pay for 256GB. in Azure you have to turn machines off a lot to save money, every decision now has to get finance approval because it involves money.
This is 5 years old - I wonder if they have changed their minds.
Utilities are rarely sexy businesses. The cloud will never go away. Startups will always salivate over moving capex to opex, but the margins will compress as it moves to a biz model akin to a traditional utility w/ SAAS/open-source a la carte competition. *Unlike traditional utilities, cloud providers DO NOT have regional footprint advantages.
security, single point of failure, not free, not secure
great video
i do not want cloud
I was hoping for one intervenant saying "i have no twixtter account"
Many of our delegates have left X/Twitter (though not everyone has deleted their account!)
So where is saving in cloud ?