I love Wynton's improv., every bit of it. It's as though he is telling a story, or writing an essay (composition) There is the introductory thesis statement which is followed by a coherent and logical progression of extemporaneous thought, musically expressed with tonal clarity and organizational beauty. I have learnt so much from the many comments, suggestions and critiques. This Wynton, for me, reminisces 'Fats' Navarro, Howard McGee, Booker Little, Wood Shaw, and a youthful Freddie Hubbard. Dominick Farrenacci is a trumpeter whose performnce embodies the noble qualities expressed by the afore-mentioned artists.. Joshua's mic malfunctions for the most part, and thus deprives us audiences from sharing in the totality of his saxophonic magnificence. • • • • • • On the lighter and opposite side of this "Organic Real Jazz" fence are a few excellent trumpeters whose mellow tone, and simplicity of Pop-Jazz execution just blow my mind: Tom Brown, Chris Botti, Rick Braun, Adam Wilson (RIP), Pharez Whitted, Kim Pensyl and Tyzik et al... Thanks for sharing this greatness!
@aarfeld unfortunately dear friend, the trumpet is never in tune. What Wynton does is 'modifying' the tube's length, so tuning the instrument. The intonation in trumpet is a complex matter, ensured by your 'lips', length of those pipes (and the quality of the instrument). He's in perfect control of everything else, so he adjusts the tuning pipe as he plays, 'cause he listens to it and it ain't right. Trumpet is considered on the few instruments that can play micro-tones, so...
@aarfeld Yes he is indeed tuning the trumpet, which goes up when warmed up, then there are finer tunings according which scale they are using. E G the d as the 4th harmonic from Bb(key of Bb is naturally where it shoul de, bit low. But if its the 5th note in the G scale you want it a bit sharper. He is a fine master and knows exactly what to do. Same applies to guitar players exept their strings slacken when warming up, and pitch goes down
Perhaps trumpet players could tell us what Wynton is adjusting when several times he reaches up to the front area of its tubing and appears to adjust something? Can one tune a trumpet? I thought they were always in tune.
@plithos I think his point was in that case that in most of the occasions when a trumpet player doesn't play in tune it's because of his 'lips' and his embouchure, not because of the instrument. Moving the pipe doesn't really do a lot btw. Believe me when I say that most of the work comes from the one who plays it.
don't tell me.. i have been crazy for Wynton's solo so many months.. especially the starting phrases.. i was thinking that someone has to listen it some times to realize how beautiful phrases has in it.. i did transcribed some meters.. but then i left it somewhere.. maybe i'll continue... but then again, the range is kind of far from my capabilities right now.. thanks for commenting man...
@plithos: Thank you for your detailed explanation. In the series of interviews that he did for the Ken Burns series on Jazz history, Wynton at one point said: "The trumpet is the only instrument that is always in tune." I guess he was just making a little joke. It went right past me.
Temperatur, humidity affect all wind instruments.If your instrument cools out while you waiting your turn In the middle of your solo you need adjusting The trumpet by nature plays the JUST TUNING, Harmonics are pure. The piano is a tempered compromise, Different scales affect that differently
@Chanthemanx14 yea im pretty sure most wind instuments can do microtones, if not all of them, cause thats how u get vibrato. but it is easier to do w a trumpet and trumpets can do it to rediculous amounts, in the hands of a good player.
@plithos hey man! i think that almost any instrument is capable of playing these micro-tones. just like being sharp or flat, i play tenor saxophone and different notes on different instruments tend to play higher or lower than others. and i think he adjusts his tuning slide more for comfort in playing. surely a trumpet player of wyntons caliber can simply bend his notes to be in tune. but who knows!
@aarfeld hahaha.. probably joking. I'm playing the trumpet and i can tell you, the trumpet is, after all, on the player.. and he performs what he's used to.. and according to his (trained or not) ear (i mean after the physical tube tuning..). The most tuned instrument in the orchestras is the oboe. And also it produces really low/few harmonics (unlike the trumpet), so it's clear to any ear. Sometimes everybody tunes on it. Nowadays, with all these digital chromatic tuners...
i'm looking for it.. but so far i haven't managed to find the correct 'match'... i will post it, when i conclude to my search... cause it's a kinda strange composition of the band.. that doesn't appear equally in the discography of J. Redman...
@KLSAX who are you to criticize of the greatest trumpet players of all time. and tell him he doesn't take enough risk.. its a ridiculous suggestion. you dont have to like the solo. but dont be stupid in suggesting how he should play. and he can play dirty, he just chooses not to here. also what he is doing is incredibly difficult.. idk if you play trumpet or what ever. but to play what he just improvised is difficult. and the dialogue between in and redman is fantastic.
@KLSAX I'm not sure how to answer to you -after all my jazz harmony knowledge is in amateur level and don't have the harmonic form of the piece- but, i'd disagree with your opinion, as a whole, by saying that i like musicians who can make out something that makes sense from their improvisations.. juxtaposed to just playing straight, fast and endless motivs, up & down... he's clean though, that's the role he plays...
@KLSAX Man he was plenty dirty!! Any more so and it would have been way out of the musical context. But hey you can't please everyone. He takes you for quite a ride here, sorry if you didn't hop on.
@plithos Normally i would totally agree with you here, cause i'm a huge wynton fan and also believe that he can be very dirty when surrounded by his own musicians. But here you can clearly see that redman and his crew are not the same kind of cats as wynton, who has a very hard time adapting to the overall energy and intense conversation going on behind him, in the rhythm section. He can't keep up.
@KLSAX no. but ignorance of musical knowledge is why music today sucks. because of elitist jerks who criticize some of the greatest art put out by human beings. i can assure you wynton is playing exactly what he wants to play. its who he is. to sit on your ass and say that he has to "innovate" is ridiculous. you cannot sit there and place a burden like that on someone else. he has done and is doing more for promoting the jazz art than anyone else. he is comfortable doing that because he loves it
Wynton was just determine he was gone the ambassador of jazz.....so much for that ... he loves to grand stand....... that's why miles davis told him to get his ass off the stage.... as for his contribution to advancing the genre .......ask keith Jarrett and company what they thought of his playing
I had a Bach Stradivarius 37. This guys is playing a Monet. They're in tune. You got bionic ears or some shit, or are you playing crap? Why can't a trumpet always be in tune?
@KLSAX expressiveness?.. how are you coming to the conclusion that he is not expressive. loss of sprit? im just so confused how you come up with these things. you associate clean and perfect with having a lack of expression. i dont understand.
Mason Klein Wynton showed up to one Miles' gigs unannounced. Miles thus told him to "get the fuck off my stage" or something like that. That's how I recall the story went.
I don't think it was a beef but it was columbia records anointing Wynton as the heir and Miles didn't take kindly to that. Miles had a huge ego and he backed it up and now he's an old lion expected to step aside for a new lion. Plus Wynton had some real concrete views about jazz and music and the types of music that was being played by other jazz musicians. Lester Bowie, Keith Jarrent and all those cats had a tiff with Wynton too
@aarfeld unfortunately dear friend, the trumpet is never in tune. What Wynton does is 'modifying' the tube's length, so tuning the instrument. The intonation in trumpet is a complex matter, ensured by your 'lips', length of those pipes (and the quality of the instrument). He's in perfect control of everything else, so he adjusts the tuning pipe as he plays, 'cause he listens to it and it ain't right. Trumpet is considered on the few instruments that can play micro-tones, so...
Wynton has such great tone! His way of working with time is so unique, and deep. I love his playing : )
~~ Joshua hears so well (and elaborates beautifully) ~~
Wow, this is just awesome.
His tone his amazing , it's so warm and fresh at the same time! He sounds a little bit like Pops too.
This has been my favorite video for a couple of weeks now. I'm thinking about transcribing Wynton's solo.
I love Wynton's improv., every bit of it.
It's as though he is telling a story, or writing an essay (composition)
There is the introductory thesis statement which is followed by a coherent and logical progression of extemporaneous thought, musically expressed with tonal clarity and organizational beauty.
I have learnt so much from the many comments, suggestions and critiques.
This Wynton, for me, reminisces 'Fats' Navarro, Howard McGee, Booker Little, Wood Shaw, and a youthful Freddie Hubbard.
Dominick Farrenacci is a trumpeter whose performnce embodies the noble qualities expressed by the afore-mentioned artists..
Joshua's mic malfunctions for the most part, and thus deprives us audiences from sharing in the totality of his saxophonic magnificence.
• • • • • •
On the lighter and opposite side of this "Organic Real Jazz" fence are a few excellent trumpeters whose mellow tone, and simplicity of Pop-Jazz execution just blow my mind: Tom Brown, Chris Botti, Rick Braun, Adam Wilson (RIP), Pharez Whitted, Kim Pensyl and Tyzik et al...
Thanks for sharing this greatness!
Brautiful music man, I wish he play more stuff like this....
Wynton and Joshua should have played together more often they played off each other so well!
great video! thanks for sharing!
Excellent answer.
@aarfeld
unfortunately dear friend, the trumpet is never in tune. What Wynton does is 'modifying' the tube's length, so tuning the instrument. The intonation in trumpet is a complex matter, ensured by your 'lips', length of those pipes (and the quality of the instrument). He's in perfect control of everything else, so he adjusts the tuning pipe as he plays, 'cause he listens to it and it ain't right.
Trumpet is considered on the few instruments that can play micro-tones, so...
@valvetrom: Thanks you for this detailed explanation.
Wynton is the one to follow when you want to get a rich jazz vocabulary.IMO
I agree KasayWtrumpet, his opening phrases are startling, he really has something to say. I'm a tenor sax player - I'd love some of his rythmic style.
@aarfeld Yes he is indeed tuning the trumpet, which goes up when warmed up, then there are finer tunings according which scale they are using. E G the d as the 4th harmonic from Bb(key of Bb is naturally where it shoul de, bit low. But if its the 5th note in the G scale you want it a bit sharper. He is a fine master and knows exactly what to do. Same applies to guitar players exept their strings slacken when warming up, and pitch goes down
Perhaps trumpet players could tell us what Wynton is adjusting when several times he reaches up to the front area of its tubing and appears to adjust something? Can one tune a trumpet? I thought they were always in tune.
I agree... Wynton "Mr. Swingin!!" Marsalis~!
@plithos I think his point was in that case that in most of the occasions when a trumpet player doesn't play in tune it's because of his 'lips' and his embouchure, not because of the instrument. Moving the pipe doesn't really do a lot btw. Believe me when I say that most of the work comes from the one who plays it.
yeah he's right..
i bow before the native's knowledge..
thanx
@vinnievibes: Thank you to the trumpet players for details on the workings of the instrument.
don't tell me.. i have been crazy for Wynton's solo so many months.. especially the starting phrases..
i was thinking that someone has to listen it some times to realize how beautiful phrases has in it..
i did transcribed some meters.. but then i left it somewhere.. maybe i'll continue...
but then again, the range is kind of far from my capabilities right now..
thanks for commenting man...
@plithos: Thank you for your detailed explanation. In the series of interviews that he did for the Ken Burns series on Jazz history, Wynton at one point said: "The trumpet is the only instrument that is always in tune." I guess he was just making a little joke. It went right past me.
Temperatur, humidity affect all wind instruments.If your instrument cools out while you waiting your turn In the middle of your solo you need adjusting The trumpet by nature plays the JUST TUNING, Harmonics are pure. The piano is a tempered compromise, Different scales affect that differently
@Chanthemanx14 yea im pretty sure most wind instuments can do microtones, if not all of them, cause thats how u get vibrato. but it is easier to do w a trumpet and trumpets can do it to rediculous amounts, in the hands of a good player.
@plithos hey man! i think that almost any instrument is capable of playing these micro-tones. just like being sharp or flat, i play tenor saxophone and different notes on different instruments tend to play higher or lower than others. and i think he adjusts his tuning slide more for comfort in playing. surely a trumpet player of wyntons caliber can simply bend his notes to be in tune. but who knows!
@KLSAX You should check out some of his newer live performances. ive seen some pretty good ones recently
@aarfeld
hahaha.. probably joking. I'm playing the trumpet and i can tell you, the trumpet is, after all, on the player.. and he performs what he's used to.. and according to his (trained or not) ear (i mean after the physical tube tuning..).
The most tuned instrument in the orchestras is the oboe. And also it produces really low/few harmonics (unlike the trumpet), so it's clear to any ear. Sometimes everybody tunes on it.
Nowadays, with all these digital chromatic tuners...
@aarfeld hahaha, it's called a trigger. Some notes are just not in tune at all, so therefore they use a trigger ;)
Both of these Modern-day Jazz Cats need to make at least one album together!
Dude, thanks for the post, but can you upload the rest of the tune? Eric Reed's solo, at least. This tune swings.
@aarfeld you're very welcome ;)
i'm looking for it.. but so far i haven't managed to find the correct 'match'... i will post it, when i conclude to my search...
cause it's a kinda strange composition of the band.. that doesn't appear equally in the discography of J. Redman...
@ndantoni
thanks wise guy...
@KLSAX I think he took advantage of an opportunity to swing real hard...to contribute to the overall groove of what was going on,
@KLSAX who are you to criticize of the greatest trumpet players of all time. and tell him he doesn't take enough risk.. its a ridiculous suggestion. you dont have to like the solo. but dont be stupid in suggesting how he should play. and he can play dirty, he just chooses not to here. also what he is doing is incredibly difficult.. idk if you play trumpet or what ever. but to play what he just improvised is difficult. and the dialogue between in and redman is fantastic.
This is when Wynton chose his notes wisely and didn't play too much like he does now. He's killing it, so is everyone else!
I think now he’s to his old state as of now in 2020 from what I heard :/
@eldwinwong I think they're going over the form of the song... I think josh was indicating the top of the tune
Such a beautiful Monette trumpet.... I wish I had one :( I got a Monette mouthpiece and it's amazing. Too bad the trumpets cost $10k+
KingLumague 10k...youch.
@KLSAX
I'm not sure how to answer to you -after all my jazz harmony knowledge is in amateur level and don't have the harmonic form of the piece- but, i'd disagree with your opinion, as a whole, by saying that i like musicians who can make out something that makes sense from their improvisations.. juxtaposed to just playing straight, fast and endless motivs, up & down...
he's clean though, that's the role he plays...
@vinnievibes: Thus your moniker: vinnnievibes. Thanks, none-the-less, for sharing your knowledge.
@KLSAX Man he was plenty dirty!! Any more so and it would have been way out of the musical context. But hey you can't please everyone. He takes you for quite a ride here, sorry if you didn't hop on.
@plithos Normally i would totally agree with you here, cause i'm a huge wynton fan and also believe that he can be very dirty when surrounded by his own musicians.
But here you can clearly see that redman and his crew are not the same kind of cats as wynton, who has a very hard time adapting to the overall energy and intense conversation going on behind him, in the rhythm section.
He can't keep up.
@KLSAX
since when is playing music about taking risks?
Wynton is a cocky SOB. But a good one at that.
Redman made sure to put him in his place at the end lol
@aarfeld I play the vibraphone ;)
its Green Chimneys, Monk!
man what is the name of this tune?? i know the tune but cannot think of the name!!! help please!
@KLSAX no. but ignorance of musical knowledge is why music today sucks. because of elitist jerks who criticize some of the greatest art put out by human beings. i can assure you wynton is playing exactly what he wants to play. its who he is. to sit on your ass and say that he has to "innovate" is ridiculous. you cannot sit there and place a burden like that on someone else. he has done and is doing more for promoting the jazz art than anyone else. he is comfortable doing that because he loves it
3:05 line on is dirrttyyyy
Wynton was just determine he was gone the ambassador of jazz.....so much for that ... he loves to grand stand....... that's why miles davis told him to get his ass off the stage.... as for his contribution to advancing the genre .......ask keith Jarrett and company what they thought of his playing
It sounds like a bunch of kids playing!! i would rather listen to his dad! RIP Dewey
Wynton "SWINGIN" Marsalis
what tune is this?
I had a Bach Stradivarius 37. This guys is playing a Monet. They're in tune. You got bionic ears or some shit, or are you playing crap? Why can't a trumpet always be in tune?
@KLSAX expressiveness?.. how are you coming to the conclusion that he is not expressive. loss of sprit? im just so confused how you come up with these things. you associate clean and perfect with having a lack of expression. i dont understand.
Too bad about Redmans mic. That completely affects you as a sax player in a negative way and you can Redman was upset about after his short solo.
Redman should have kicked him off stage like Miles did
Huh?
Mason Klein Wynton showed up to one Miles' gigs unannounced. Miles thus told him to "get the fuck off my stage" or something like that. That's how I recall the story went.
I don't think it was a beef but it was columbia records anointing Wynton as the heir and Miles didn't take kindly to that. Miles had a huge ego and he backed it up and now he's an old lion expected to step aside for a new lion. Plus Wynton had some real concrete views about jazz and music and the types of music that was being played by other jazz musicians. Lester Bowie, Keith Jarrent and all those cats had a tiff with Wynton too
if anything DOWNBEAT MAGAZINE CREATED WYNTON MARSALIS
@aarfeld
unfortunately dear friend, the trumpet is never in tune. What Wynton does is 'modifying' the tube's length, so tuning the instrument. The intonation in trumpet is a complex matter, ensured by your 'lips', length of those pipes (and the quality of the instrument). He's in perfect control of everything else, so he adjusts the tuning pipe as he plays, 'cause he listens to it and it ain't right.
Trumpet is considered on the few instruments that can play micro-tones, so...