Non Destructive Entry for Firefighters, Police Officers & EMS by Deviant Ollam
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- At Fort Washington we are always looking for new training opportunities that can help keep our firefighters prepared for anything they may face. Sometimes we look outside the fire service for things that we can apply to our trade. This class came about after a conversation about passive entry with John Buttrick from Coastal Fire Training. He told me about a guy on RUclips Deviant Ollam. Deviant is known as a lock picker but his full time job is spent as a Physical Penetration Tester. This job involves breaking into buildings (contracted by the property owner) to test the security and report back with ways to improve it. When we saw the methods / tools he used we instantly knew he could be a huge benefit to the fire service. After contacting Dev he was very receptive to creating a presentation for first responders. After some discussion we scheduled a class for February 24, 2020 at the Upper Dublin High School in Fort Washington, Pennsylvania.
This presentation was titled "Exigent Entry" and we had over 100 people in attendance. A lot of eyes were opened during the presentation and everyone thoroughly enjoyed it. Since there was interest in the classroom presentation Dev created a special two day class just for first responders at a deeply discounted price. The link to their training website is below.
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I must have watched about 15 hours worth of Deviant talks by now.
I see a lot of repeats. but crazy how every video always have nuggets of something new
Hey, thanks! :-D
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@@ColinRichardson this is a pretty great edit, I must say. Nice zooms and highlights, etc.
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Dev doing the training at discounted pricing for first responders fits with my image of his kindness/generosity which is just great to see.
Dev truly seems like one of the most respectable people on the planet
@@hedge2582unfortunately hes not. Literal communist
I haven't done much of this kind of stuff, but there was one time when I was cleaning someone's yard, and she had not left the gate open for me to get in, or it had closed on its own or something, so I took the 6ft USB cable in my pocket out, looped it over the fence, caught the latch, and pulled it open. It ain't much, but I was proud of it at the time.
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@@adrianjerkin123 fully agree with whatever the fuck you just said
Awesome!
Everyone starts somewhere 🤙
I was working the daytime weekend shift at a bank data center, the only person in the building, on a Sunday. I had made a pot of coffee in the employee lounge, outside of the machine room and went out to get a cup of coffee when there was a power outage. (No, we didn't have a UPS.) Couldn't get back into the machine room, so I called the security guard to have him let me in. The machine room security doors had a door-within-a-door with a deadbolt that locked them to the outer frame. The idea being that if the door electronics (card read, door opener, POWER, etc.) failed, the inner door could be opened with a simple key. That simple key was not on the guard's key ring. "OK, I guess I'll just wait here until the power comes back on." The guard left. As I was standing around, I noticed that the raised machine room floor extended a couple of feet outside of the door. Also noticed that the floor tiles weren't held down by fasteners, and there was a pretty big gap between the top of the floor tiles and the bottom of the door. Couldn't pull one up with my hands, so I got a large paper clip and wiggled it underneath the tile far enough to grab the edge of the tile and pull it out. the floor was elevated about 10 inches, more than enough to crawl under the door, push up a tile on the inside, climb up into the machine room and finish my shift. Power came back on later, so the evening guy got in OK. When I told my supervisor about it, he told me not to do it again, because the door is covered by a security camera. So I broke into the machine room of a bank that was doing $10 million a day with a paper clip. I don't think they ever did anything about the missing key, the unsecured tiles, and the wide open space under floor that could be entered just by pulling up a floor tile. The bank merged with another one about 5 year later, and they closed the data center. It's a hotel convention center now.
Ah, another good *"Bank Job"* just waiting to happen!
very interesting. Where about are you and what bank si that? =D /s
Grat video! Years ago we responded to a victim stuck in an elevator that almost turned to be very pricey destructive but with my past of being an electrician we located the control equipment and where able to reboot the system and it auto delivered to the bottom floor and opened up. After that call i got to train my crew on elevators even though i didnt have much rank other then firefighter with a couple years on that dept.
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As a paramedic working in an area where we don't always have the fire department to fall back on for entry, I appreciate the info. Probably gonna put together a small kit for those rare circumstance where memaw is having a COPD exacerbation and can't get up to unlock the door for us. Thanks king 👑👑👑.
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I took a "Non-Forcible Entry" class at Texas Fire School almost 20 years ago. The instructors knew their stuff and were smart about it. They went to the Texas Department of Corrections and spoke with the best burglars inthe business, and learned their best tricks of the trade, then passed it on to us in class. I can tell you one thing, locks are only for honest thieves.
What does that last sentence mean, please sir?
@@DriverDown.... Not Rusty obviously, but I suspect his point is that many criminals lean much more on the BREAKING part of Breaking and Entering. If you do a little trawling on youtube you will see a ton of CCTV footage from restaurants, pawn shops, jewelry stores, radio shacks, and the like where the MO is something like:
1A) Chuck Brick Through Window
OR
1B) Back Truck Tailgate through window at 35 MPH
2) Alarm goes off
3) Criminal and/or 1-3 buddies rip cash registers out whole, grab anything not nailed down.
4) Run Like Hell
Or for a step up in sophistication, drilling the lock, cutting padlocks with bolt cutters or grinding wheels. Destructive Entry may not be as fast as a SKILLED non-destructive entry attack, but the skill floor is much lower.
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Thanks Mr ChetVerikov, I feel like I learned so much.
@@DriverDown.... look for a channel named lockpicking lawyer. He demonstrates the flaws than make many of these doors and locks have.
2x4 framing, weak points like the latch and knob through hole, exposed hinges securing 100% of the door weight, thin panel polymer foam filled doors, interaction with the internal and interior mechanisms... pretty useless
This is Deviant's most thorough and comprehensive bypass presentation, at least that I've seen. All around great guy.
Thanks so much! I'm so glad the recording worked well.
@@DeviantOllam I was waiting to see if you would show the room-full of cops the clip of you opening the bank door. Was not disappointed!
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@@DeviantOllam I notice you didn't show the one of climbing into the cruiser :D
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53:00 Imagined a situation where wife comes by, asks you to open a padlock that she forgot combination for, you sit down, open a beer and chill. She asks "what are you doing? I asked you for help." and you reply with all the chill and confidence "preparing the tools, honey".
no tool decoding those cheap gym locker master locks is also possible pretty fast sometimes. I can just feel what the first number is on some of the older ones
I've worked in more than one EMS department where CH751 was the narcotic box lock key.
Ironically enough that is also the key used for accessory compartments in RVs (where people keep lawn chairs, grills, etc).
Similar experience here. Not only was CH751 the key for the narcotics box, it was also the key to the glove compartment that we definitely weren't supposed to have access to. There was nothing in there but the owners manual, but it was interesting to see that the rig came with an owner's manual!
Re: the multiple keyboxes for multiple people who might need to get in: I've seen the rural equivalent -- each person who needed access brought their own padlock, and hooked it between the owner's lock and the next one between the ends of the chain that wrapped around the pole and held the gate closed, so the owner only has to go out and unlock his lock once to give a repeating visitor access by adding theirs to the chain. Not the MOST secure system (anybody could add THEIR friends, and it's not at all difficult to pop most padlocks you can do that with, but hey, locks just keep honest people honest.
(the owner, the two oil companies that had pumps on wells on his land, the owner's friends and family who used it as a private shooting range/fishing hole, the occasional hunter who paid him to hunt deer or trap feral hogs on it ... )
Interesting solution using locks like chain links for multiple people.
i know its super late but like if someone wanted to be rude couldnt they just.... lock their padlock further up the chain and cut off access for a few people?
@@starchy_ then the property owner cuts it and tells the [expletive deleted] they're not allowed there anymore. Like I said, it's not all that secure and based on trusting each other.
@@DeliveryMcGee of course of course, could be annoying short term (few hours, few days, idk how long between visits by owner) though
of course its based mostly on trust and so its not likely to happen, i just particularly enjoy pointing out potential flaws in any given system.
At 27:17 you mention that turning the handle disengages most handle security. I stayed at a hotel up in Canada a couple of times about 5 years ago, forget the city, but the cleaning staff could still open the door even if I turned the deadbolt, I got woken up by then a time or two. I ended up placing their tv remote under the deadbolt turn handle and wedging it on the door handle and they could no longer just walk in. They never were happy about it but I was less happy about having someone walk in on me sleeping in the buck.
How? The lock (or handles) would have to be installed backwards?
that's why any decent hotel gives you a door hanger to tell housekeeping to stay out
@@christopherlewis8166 oh, i never got notification of your comment. I don't know, it just always opened for them
@@TheAechBomb i cant remember if they had handle hangers and just ignored it, or if they didn't have handle hangers at all
I got a new hobby after finding LockPickingLawyer channel.
Then I watched this. Its full of pain realizing you cant have all this bypass fun legally :(
Thanks for great content though! May it help us save many lives
An interesting story about REX sensors. I was working at a secured facility (I will not mention where). The way the entrance worked was there was a vestibule you could badge into, and then you would put your phone in the cubbies there. You then badged into the actual secured area. A message was sent out for employees to please not hang out in this vestibule and check their phones. While an explanation was not given I assumed it was because the REX sensor was being tripped, leaving the door unsecured.
my brother used to live in an app block where the front door of the block was so poorly fitted you could slip the latch with a twig from the big bush that was next to the door and he'd have to do this fairly regularly as the key tag reader didn't work a lot of the time
If he did this all the time, the bush would be all gone after a while.
@@pawpatrolnews if the branch reaches far enough, you don't even have to break it off.
Non destructive entry, infrastructure as well as nature :D
@@SeleenShadowpaw Ahh, I didn't think of that!
I’ve watched all of Dev’s videos, now I’m a felon. True story.
Little late to the show but really appreciate you making yourself available to Ft Washington Deviant, they're one of two FDs that primarily respond to the area I live in and knowing they've got access to potentially faster techniques than just breaking things makes me that much happier to live here
7:58 HAHAHAHA, that's a hoof pick. It's used for digging stones and debris out of a horse's shoes. A must have for an equestrian farmer! Never thought I'd see it used as an entry tool! Man that put a smile on my face.
Deviant is the best at this stuff. 🙏 He's also charismatic so it's makes it very easy to listen to and understand.
Every time I see the part on latch slipping I remember when I used to open the door to our flat when I forgot the keys... I was 8 i think. That tought legit scares me now with what I know.
Got here from lock picking lawyer. It's the only 2 hour YT video I've ever watched. Not just informative, but entraining too 👍👍
The Knox boxes were interesting. My dad is a journeyman electrician for a local company. Frequently he tests fire alarm systems they’ve installed. It requires access on his schedule. He always jokes that he’s got a key to every school, hospital, prison, courthouse, and every other public building within three counties. It’s an actual gigantic ring of keys in his work truck he takes home. Perhaps I’ve said too much 🤭
Its super easy to get a car unlocked without the key, storing in the truck migbt not be good
@@thegeth4293 Storing anything in a work car is a bad idea.. Knowing quite a few car thieves over the years.. they love your work car.. its full of expensive tools that are really easy to fence.
This guy makes presenting look so easy.
I work as a security guard, and what do i do when i have nothing else to do? I inform myself. I work in europe, so half of this video might not apply here. But there still is a lot to learn, and maybe i start in a pen-testing company one day, you never know. Also i love it when one RUclipsr mentions another, so bonus points for that!
I love the video thank you for sharing your knowledge with us and seeing how easy those pad locks 🔒 are to open really reminded me of my childhood my dad once told me that a lock just keeps an honest man honest and man that’s so true thank you 🙏 once again sir please keep videos like this coming so badass
I will keep you with this as much as I can for you all 👍😉
Amazing video I work for a local city in facilities maintenance. I have to cut locks, open doors that failed and have used a few of these methods. Now I get to add to my list of skilled entries. Btw imagine opening the broken exterior door on the city testing facility, the test was a prerequisite to hold a city facilities maintenance position. I asked for bonus points but was denied
I appreciate the little annotations. Simple but clear and effective
This was a very interesting presentation, thank you for putting it up for us to watch.
Excellent lecturer, greatly augmented things I learned over years of brief exposures working with locks and alarms and forced entries. Thanks
I'm the access controls guy in my facility and never knew about the Kaba simplex default.
Hopefully, you got/gave the OK to change them?
That was the code many years ago when I was a teenager making minimum wage at national retail chain with thousands of stores. I suspected that that was the default code for the lock then, and good to see it confirmed, but I doubt anyone has changed the locks or codes since.
fantastic explanations and demos as always by Dev
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I've worked maintenance at a local hotel. We had and under door tool and a night latch tool. That came more into play when a family had adjoining rooms and they ALL left through one. Leaving the other room and adjoining doors locked.
Love this freaking guy.
Or phreaking guy lol.
Love you back 💚
My freaking cat set off our glass break alarm at 1:08:50 and it took me a good couple seconds to realize that the alarm was coming from the house because of the epic timing. I was shocked that one of the pen testers set off an alarm. Then the alarm kept going after the clip and I was like. "Wait a minute...."
The best room listening device is an electret microphone attached to a mcdonalds plastic straw and insert the other end of the straw under the door. The straw acts as a sound multiplier. very effiicient.
I would just like to say you are a great person and very knowledgeable and an inspiration from what I've seen. 🙂 You have inspired me to do what you do as a career. What would be some good advice of where to start? I am in eastern Washington state. Also I would love to see one of your seminars in person if possible. 👍
Something else some of my classmates did to annoy the lower school students (years 7 -11 uk) was on the fire refuge side of the doorway hidden behind where the door was open was a fused switch. Guess what that switch was connected to the maglocks on the door and once you release the door stop you could switch it on or off and for us we only cared about it on (6th form had working ID cards due to being able to enter and exit the building freely) but it worked to turn them off
1:10:33 Never even thought of that as a viable entry method but damn!
Tough decision Man, especially if you have some 18yr. old single malt in your hand... 😀
Thank you very much for your Seminar. I learned a lot of things I didn't know . Thanks this was a big huge refresher course.
"You can find this in specialised catalogues" - not the ones that I get sent... 😄
Lol! Real talk tho they’re all just on eBay. I bought the door king one a few months back after I watched this for the first time! So far I’ve tried it one 3 different boxes and it opened all of them lol
You used to find them in the woods ;P
1:16:51 Thats a Leatherman Style PS on Dev's keyring, in case there's any other multitool nerds watching.
this is amazing and disturbing. We are assuming that the majority of people watching are honest....
This guy is good and the information well presented.
No... as one of the very first security red hats, a man named Frances Hobbs (1851), explained "most thieves are already aware of anything I can discover. Thieves will always be looking for better ways to be a thief."
Yes, especially in the US where fire codes are complicated, these are serious risks. It is why any business with more than a couple grand worth of stuff has either security or an alarm. Locked doors are first doors, then locked. It is easy to unlock them.
While here he was teaching people we want to know how to get in, how to get in faster, for the rest of us, he is showing how not to be such an easy target.
At least 15 years ago i lost my keys it was late a night and very cold so i booted the door open it i got it open in three boits its amazing hiw much strength you have when your extremely pissed off oh and UK doors are not like US doors. They are much harder. 🇬🇧👍
the things I watch when I'm drunk at 3am.
Ima become a fire departament guy so i can break into buildings and steal shii.
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Maybe the sound would be a lot better if it had ben taken direct from the PA system with a direct connection..Input area..
@1:13:05 me a pizza delivery driver 10years ago....
also 0911, 0000,9999, 1234 for gated areas....
@1:06:05
At my work we have one of these to get into the main mfg area...
I always get in like this and look up at the security camera. Waiting one day for them to fix it haha
been doing it for 10 years now rather than badging in :D
Interesting fact….The A126 is still highly used. But not the 4 pin version your showing here 1:14:39 The modern A126 is a 5 pin key. The 5 pin version is backward compatible with the 4 pin locks.
Linear does still make and sell the standalone and weigand keypads with standard the A126 4 pin locks.
Liftmaster still uses the 5 pin A126 on several products.
Other brands in the automated gate industry do still use the 5 pin A126. So strangely around gates and pools the A126 is still sold and in use to this day.
Just bought a HF o-ring removal tool kit ;) all tools sit in a southord case next to my current pic set in a sparrows case in my back pocket.
People look at me strangely when they find out I have pics and other tools on my person daily.
I explain that I forget they are there til I need em. At my current job ive used my picks twice. Both times to open...and close the employee bathroom tp holder. Lol
I did have a manager accidentally re combo a temp padlock for $$ earlier this week. It took me too long to decode the combo so he bought another. I took the lock home. Put a good carabiner on the shackle to get more tension and decoded the combo in 5 mins or so.
He wanted to get it back to return it. I had reset it to factory combo. 0000. I bought it from him to practice more ;)
Gorgeous lecture. Thank You for sharing. Hello from Belgium.
Do all doors in USA just have a huge unprotected seam around the lock? In europe all the doors have part of the door on one side and a part of door jamb on the other side covering the seam, so it is much harder to actually touch the latch with a tool from either side.
So strange what RUclips bans and this is real criminal useful stuff
It's labeled as ”educational content“, so RUclips probably never bothered checking.
He's right about those key lock boxes. About 2 minutes at most to unlock.
Boy, i knew, stand-ups used to be funny, i didn't know, they were also *educational* :O
Like, tonight, i've learned, my toilet paper dispencer key opens Megamall's automatic cashier... talk'bout wipe it with style ;D
You just made me look like a freaking genius to my friend haha thx!
1:39:00
Sometimes nurseries/ old people hospices will do this, simply because the need for pushing in a code is so beyond those poor souls with severe dementia, that you need not worry about them realising the sticker is the code for the door.
Those not suffering from dementia, on the other hand, will not be a danger to themselves if they leave the hospice, so the need for a code is simply to keep people with dementia from exiting, whilst the sticker will let everybody else enter and leave freely.
"To exit please enter current year," is another common way to do it in places like that.
"Non destructive" Firefighters be like. Dude we have haligans and dang axe's why we gonna knock when we can go full "Here's Johny..".
Initially. Deviant noted at the top it was a tough room, and reacted as they lightened up. The job can be done with lighter tools, less effort, more quickly, less risk of injury, and less paperwork. Anyone paying attention came around to him within the first 20 minutes.
its faster and safer at times.
you shouldn't be allowed to be a cop or firefighter if you enjoy destruction
Yes, Yes, Yes! Read my message hahaha!
@@CSDragon That statement just tells me you don't know many cops or firefighters
Glad I don't need to worry about remembering door codes at call boxes
Ignition USA has the SeaRat on pre-order. FYI.
Do a search for this: LAW ENFORCEMENT’S CODE BOOK FOR THE MASTER LOCK COMBINATION PADLOCK
You are looking for a .PDF file that is searchable for the numbers stamped on the back of the lock.
The way we would work around people getting in isnt by using all these fancy ass anti pick/slip etc devices. We just put an alarm on the door or motion sensors. Tu
Just a great Vajayo!!!!!! I know you referenced lock picking lawyer but I am guessing AVE fan also? Great stuff!!!!!!
on using a comb pick on those dinky master lock pad locks... it is not even needed as a kid one of the first locks I tried picking was one just like in his photos and I used a small unadulterated paperclip stuck it in jiggled it just a bit and bam it opened.
All the trades know that locks are to help the wealthy an ignorant "feel" safe. We all know how to bypass. But it is important to keep them ignorant. How else will they feel safe? What we know is that it is those that they know that are most likely to rob them.... and those in the same social circles share the same ignorance.
Minor point, but that's a framing square not a T-square ( which is usually made of wood, is shaped like a T not an L, and was used on an old fashioned drafting table back before CAD.)
On coded wheels, some can just be visually decoded. You can see the cog from the gap between the wheels, just line em up and spin the wheels up or down in unison until it opens
I got good at opening those as a teenager because i realized if you put pressure on the bar and rotate through the number, the target number will have far less resistance to spin to than the others to the point that if you are feeling around you will frequently spin halfway to the next number or skip it entirely
Wow, a Deviant talk I found randomly... ,D
Dev, was this your toughest crowd yet?
They were definitely the most physically fit crowd I've probably had ever since I was lecturing at the US Military Academy or the US Naval Academy. :-)
This is some very scary information. Some folks must bescrambeling to upgrade/update their security.
James Bond level now found on RUclips? Wow
Now I can get into US properties but in Europe, the first 30 minutes had nothing that could open the door of my room lol. Some of these issues just seem like design issues that disappeared here about 100 years ago... I wonder what the weak points are here
1:36:30, deviant actually bridges the postal switch inside instead of bridging the relay
For that cool screw-type door wedge, could you bypass it using a latch tool under the door to sort of twist it out of the way? Not to unscrew it, but just sort of pivot it out of line with the door?
It's a door stop wedge. If you wedge it under the door well and torque up on the screw to provide pressure between the floor and the bottom of the door, it should be VERY hard to get that thing to twist out of the way.
I like how everyone puts all these trade secrets on you tube for everyone.
Everyone improving their security agrees.
✌🙋♂️Thank you for Sharing
wealth of info!
Wow nice bro
Burning celluloid tape creates cyanide gas.
dam long but loved it
I see REX sensors on doors that don't even have handles on the outside. Why is that?
Would the Gold Harbor freight spring loaded center punch work well on hinges?
And I watch this video as a german firefighter and only think how little security you guys have over there. Here every door has at least one door rabbet and with the euro lock an attack like 22:30 does not work.
I would really love see Deviant making a speech targeted to European audience. Every time I watch these videos I'm in shock, because my old wood shed with an old Abloy lock tumbler seems to have better security than many 'secured' places in US 😮.
Who else is here because of The Lockpicking Lawyer?
Well thats no fun... Get the halligan and axe!
Hah, indeed... Here I am ruining everyone's good time who loves the irons and the dual saw 😁
I have ADHD so I notice E V E R Y T H I N G
Actually, you're probably an aspie.
@The Illegitimate President or maybe the symptoms are now actually being recognized and classified
Me too. I am fascinated with this kind of mechanical NDE knowledge/techniques. I suspect a lot of ADDs and aspies would be into this
Do Medico style keys imprint properly when using mold and pour tools?
@ 1:39:09 That is a door for an Alzheimer's facility so that staff and visitors can get out but the patients can't.
Does anyone have any books to recommend on this subject? Would be greatly appreciated thank you.
Duuuude, this shouldn't be on you RUclips O.O
But I'm really glad it is.
OH HOW DEVIOUS
Funny to hear Deviant not getting the level of laughs he would normally get from a crowd of geeks. Like at 11:50 he tells a joke that usually gets a response, but it bombs with this audience :)
To them "I might hurt myself" isn't a joke, it's just what they genuinely believe about the nerd teaching them how to slip latches, lol.
Why is this in my recommended I’ve never seen any like this
1:39:52 my kaba lock at the apartment complex was also 2 and 4 together and then 3 lmaoooo
That was never a t-square nor is it at square. That is a square
18:23 we had one on our front door in 1985
I have one on my front and back door. Came with the house when I purchased it in 2017. I knew it was a safety issue... So when I rekeyed all my locks, I made the old key get stuck in the inside lock which effectively turned it into a thumb lock. I did this by replacing one spring in the lock with all pins.
And for all you burglars out there , another handy informational video :))))))
They sure aren't the locking picking lawyer.
So in essence locks are pretty much useless for protection. Even door plates and other items. Well if you really want to protect something a bar with a lock on it would work.
Actually only a welding machine, but I would not trust even that... 😀😀😀
It's not that locks are useless, it's that the people who buy and use locks are generally clueless. Notice that a lot of the issues he's exploiting are problems with the physical security of the door and have nothing to do with the lock itself. He has another presentation where he outlines how exactly to install a door so that the lock you put on it is actually useful, can't remember the name but I think it was at DefCon.
9:36 - I like your pointer. Can you tell me where to get one?
It's the ~$100 presenter pointer from Logitech with laser/spotlight/magnify capability. Forget the exact model, but easy to find on the company's web site.
@@jayschafer1760 I found the Logitech Spotlight on Walmart for 90 dollars. Thanks!
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