Intel Killed their OWN Product Lineup - Core i9 vs Xeon
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*AMD did really well.*
They might have saved the gaming community from being stuck for a decade in the Intel sandbox game.
Thx. dear AMD engineers !
epSos.de I already invested in an amd system 2 weeks ago to support them
(R5 2600X and 1070)
@@iset9634 I got 2 PCs that rock a 1600 and a 2700x. Now we just have to wait for AMD to have good GPUs to compete against Nvidia's.
@@thanhdohuu9473 gonna be waiting a long time lol
@@thanhdohuu9473 , AMD needs to start making cards and drivers that actually work.
@@Fine_i_set_the_handle I would love to say 7nm cards are gonna turn it around for amd but given their track record wouldn't be surprised if they are still weaker than rtx.
The only thing Intel will listen to is lack of sales.
And fanboys will continue buying overpriced Intel products
@hdshatterify well they were in a mighty haste after Ryzen's hit. And given they didn't get massive improvement of architecture for more than 5-7 years they just weren't ready for this.
+sprdvx, I hope you wake up to $1,000,000,000.00 in your bank account.
Well, there are Several things that will make Intel cry next year but honestly, AMD will likely be forced to take the consumer base since Intel has pretty much abandoned improving it. Between AMD pushing the envelope on what consumers should expect on consumer products and the fact that in a few years, the server market might manage to lock Intel out completely (ARM is HUGE in the server market and last week got a BIG win, Amazon will deploy their own arm chips instead of buying Intel's), there isn't much that Intel can bank on.
AMD Zen arch and Ryzen/EPYC line continues to expand, while Intel's hold on the computing market continues to erode from all fronts. Still from the looks of it AMD might get the pyrrhic victory from this, since I have NO idea how AMD cracks into the server market without an ARM line. Simply put x86 is a crux in that market (mostly because of the massive amount of bugs and exploits on the platform that give the cloud [and sys admins] headaches) and AMD choice to focus on x86 is rather hazy when the market it shifting against it (And RISC-V is definitely on the horizon, with neither big player in that pot)...
@hdshatterify - Surprisingly, "mainstream" business desktop/laptop suppliers (Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc) are slow to bring out AMD based products. It could be because "big business" purchasing agents keep checking the "Intel" box on their order forms, when placing those multiple thousand unit orders.
2008 Intel we have a 4Ghz 80 core Cpu in the lab which you’ll see in a few years time .... 11 years later 4-8 cores .
Pentium 4 4Ghz (2005) canceled due to overheat.
"What happened exactly" AMD's Ryzen is what happened.
Ryzen bought AMD back from the dead when BULLDOZER launched and the company was out of the competition.
Have a look at Adored TV new video , 😀😀 looking great for new 3700x
For the AMD vs Intel..I will compare them non-tech wise.
AMD has a CEO approval of 93%.
Intel has a CEO approval of 78% (Glassdoor)
If the higher up makes a fucked up decision, then you are doomed. Having bad management also is a killer, bigger killer than being behind few generation in terms of tech.
AMD's new CEO has a high emphasis on communication, and that might be the reason the company got back on its feet, from making losses to making profits. AMD if it changes its corporate culture which it is doing , will eventually surpass Intel.
It is also not just about hiring talented folks with 999999 IQ, it is about keeping those folks in the company satisfied and preventing turnover.
@@fironfiron8843 That's why the AMD CEO got fuckin sacked with BULLDOZER release
@@muffemod
She was responsible for critical decisions that helped the company from losing money to making money.
If not for her, then AMD would have been dead.
There is obvious bad side to her, I admit that.
When your monopoly goes to shit and you have to actually work for the first time in 15 years...
Intel has saved AMD from bankruptcy several times, in order to not be a monopoly. Intel is not a monopoly by any standard, except that everyone but Intel sucked at making processors until last year. Being mad at Intel for not having competition (AMD), would be like being mad at Ford because KIA sucked... Remember the alternative to Ford, if they had never existed, was not KIA, it was a horse, because Ford invented cars. Intel invented processors, your alternative to Intel if they had never existed was not AMD, it was a pencil, typewriter, and slide rule.
You're telling an economist a monopoly isn't bad, keep trying ^^
@@Valhalla_Awaits94 I am an economist myself. The fact is that Intel is not a monopoly. They have competition (AMD) in large processors, and Qualcomm and others in small processors.
Monopolies are only bad when they harm consumers. Not a given. That's why the law only bans anti-competitive monopolies, not all monopolies.
Your opponent sucking, is not anti-competitive. Again, Intel has paid money to keep AMD in business, just to avoid becoming a monopoly.
You can't be mad at a company for being successful. From 2007 to early 2017, AMD produced terrible stuff. Then they made better stuff and became competitive. That means Intel did not have an anti-competitive system in place, they won by merit.
Intel invented the industry. They are better at it than everyone else. Nothing wrong with that.
@@catlover1986 Intel not a monopoly? Not all monopolies are bad? Not all are anti-competitive? Intel invented the idustry? I usually don't get angry over comments on the internet but what kind of inbred idiot fuck are you? I am an economist myself? Bullshit you are. You still havn't graduated highschool, the only economy knowledge you get is what your dad spouts at family diners. Fucking hell.
@@catlover1986 Just stop, you are embarrassing yourself. Monopolies and fake oligopolies have proven they cannot be trusted not to be anti consumer and anti competitive which is why the former are outlawed by anti-trust laws. That the anti trust laws are shitty or not enforced because of lobbyists and corrupt politicians is another topic, but all monopolies (with exception of natural monopolies/utilities) are illegal. You think intel would not buy AMD in a second if monopolies were legal? lmfao
My almost 5 year old i7 4770k is still going strong. Will update in 5 years
Same
TrinhStudios
Ahaha it’s going to explode
Same
I hear you.. I've had a i5 4670k for about 5 years and it's still holding up.
Really wish it had VM direct hardware passthrough support, but meh... The 4770k is supreme!
AMD: From Zero to Hero.
amd is for the poor people not willing to pay for the best
@@coreysias3072 intel is for stupid people cause they pay more at same spec or maybe less... rich people also using amd bruh..
Nuh. From hero to zero to hero. Kid.
@@coreysias3072 that's the insult for us, poor people, at best.
In fact, we used AMD products not for "poor" option, but it's for BETTER option with BETTER bang for buck.
Who bringed 1GHz first? Who bringed 64-bit first? Who bringed 8 core (now 12 and 16!) CPU to the mainstream?
You should thank AMD for pushing your Intel company to bring better products, and not ripping off your money.
Stupid fanboy. We "poor people" only choose the best bang for buck, if there's Intel that can provide better bang for buck, we choose that, and vice versa.
@@coreysias3072 Intel fanboy spotted
watching this in end 2019...man...amd has gone far
The prediction came 100% true: now Intel's HEDT platform has no right to exist. Only the 9900K and the Xeons are even considered by people.
True very true
@@erejnion yet, you still can buy some 8 cores 16 threads Xeons on aliexpress which costs like 5-10x lower than ryzen, but had the same performance in gaming and working tasks. Soooo idk, who's win in that situation, 50 dollars xeon = 999 dollars ryzen\intel xd
Watching this 3/4 the way through the glorious year of 2020.. Still using 7 Xeons in total in this house.. Nothing else
@@thomassmith4999 xeons are awesome
Intel: ok linus
Makes cpu 3x more expensive
😭
AMD: oh
Makes CPU more effective and more bang for a buck.
same logic apple does cause they hate their consumers
"Just keep increasing the price... it will make people think AMD is for poor people."
I was curled home three
Boots advertised by a guy in sandals... OK
Marketing done right
Well, those boots have more in common with sandals than boots.
Now that's some advertisement!
king of mandles w/ a boots ad yup 10/10 marketing
They're good boots... For the price. Kinds surprised to see this ad from them though. 😂
I would never wear boots xD
AMD did so well intel committed suicide
If intel didnt had succes , amd would be same as intel
Intel use Self-Distruct!
The points made in this video are the main reason I support AMD over Intel. Without AMD we'd all be getting bent over by Intel and their over priced CPUs. Ryzen will continue to be my go to for all custom builds, glad to see AMD take the lead
They haven't taken the lead at all, not will their new gen chips
AMD is no longer behind in gamin, the only thing intel can do is lower prices and try to work on 10nm
@@Rudy97 agreed, in the worst case scenario you lost like 5% on fps but in everything else they destroys Intel for less money.
I use intel but if I had the chance to change I’d go to ryzen. I support them more and their CPU’s are powerful.
Jake Edwards that’s what you think
intel fanboys even if you hate AMD ...... dont forget that AMD helps you to get more cores and best performance out of your cpu
Amd fanboys even if you hate intel ..... dont forgert that intel helps you get better single thread performance out of your cpu
Lmao AMD brought 64-bit to x86 and now made 8 cores mainstream.
@Hoang Quan man if you don't care about single thread performance, use amd fx series then
@ThatGamerTho are you really happy with the single core performance of your CPU? it's 5% extra so enjoy it with less cores and low perfomance CPU.
@@tek2313 and a much higher cost
I guess Intels “killing it” right now
Stop it, get some help.
Good one
Kindly help yourself.
Yes! But our pockets.
Sell your house to intel for new i9 9900k!
Update in 2019
*Ryzen 3rd Gen happened*
Zen 3 in the future.
@@weepee3249 update Ryzen 3000 series bang Intel i9 in gaming and WorkStation plus it cost not that much and lower Watt usage plus Intel i9 10.000 series got beaten hard by Ryzen 3000 series :) Ahahahaha i love AMD that for they are like the Hero who stop the Greedy Blue bastards milk people for years
Guys, come on! CES 2020 is happening in one week and we're already gonna see Ryzen 4000
And then Threadripper 3990WX happened
Look at ur likes duuuude 69 man
In other reviews: I9 9900k is ridicously expensive!
Linus: I9 9900k is awesomely cheap!
I am still rocking i7 4790K, my next build will be with AMD with zen 2 next year. honestly im tired of intel and nvidia pricing.
How are you doing as far a pcie lane limitations?
AMD has almost double pcie lane
I stopped supporting Intel and Nvidia after catching on to their monopolistic ways. Absolutely disgusting. Plus being a computer enthusiast but not having a lot of money. Amd is so much friendlier
@PeePee2000 monopolistic ways bro
@@bamholian4567 lol PCI and SLI limitation isn't a thing when it comes to AMD, Ryzen still holds up.. even if the ddr4/5 RAM and motherboards are a little more pricier than than the older intel alternatives.
I'm waiting for the day RAM prices go down again so I can feed it to my chrome/firefox
Same. Only thing that held me back from upgrading my CPU. Although, maybe it's good, because I'll get to see where the next generation of CPU's head.
when i built my pc they told me 16gb RAM was overkill....little did they know i use chrome
lolll
i got 16gb a year ago boy... did I hurt. I couldnt even get the ram on AMD qvl list. i had to get some overpriced unsupported BS... granted it has been ok ram. not many problems.
@@yeezywesty3651 bro fucking tell me about it, i paid over 200 bucks for my 16gb trident Z, shit was scarcer than water in africa
I'm starting to lean towards AMD....
dont go to the DARK side.....:))))
@@alexmarinescu2873 Agree
why is your name highlighted you didn't upload the damn video
@@alexmarinescu2873 heh
@@alexmarinescu2873 now its the light side :)
Love the detailed explanations of these CPU lineups! Very good reporting here on this channel in the interwebs!
I hope AMD can cause a similar amount of disruption in the GPU market. Would be great for consumers
Kieran Philpott seriously. They’re in a good spot where if they release something that competes with the 1080 ti / 2080 at a price of 499-599 that’d be great
My sides
AMD literally has a $100,000 R&D budget for every $1,000,000 Nvidia has. AND they're also fighting Intel on the CPU front. It's impossible for them to compete with Nvidia at the high end at this point. Even when they had Nvidia beat in the mid 2000s, people still bought Nvidia. AMD is constantly playing from behind.
@@johnconnor2402 AMD is waiting patiently for opportunity.
@@johnconnor2402 New AMD GPU architecture next year, so we'll see.
PLEASE include "compilling code" in your benchmarks. It's a task that benefits from multithreading in a way that few others do, and where more cores always equals better results. Compiling Unreal Engine 4 is a very good benchmark for this.
UP!!!
Compile QT or the Linux kernel instead. Unreal Engine isn't used that much in comparison
@Henrik0x7F no, compiling Unreal Engine 4 would be a better test.
You might wanna check out level1techs for these kind of things. Although I don't think they do Unreal Engine, but they do other compilation tasks.
I am actually building a good RYZEN computer just for that reason to reach up to unreal engine graphics. It's not the matter of being a fanboy it's called criticism everyone has different criticism such as you criticizing his video. I honestly prefer RYZEN over Intel can't you just shut the fuck up and respect what other people like or prefer? Asshole.
Get an x299 system they said, it will be future proofed they said
I don't know what the problem is for the future. I am running an Intel core i7 7820x overclocked to 5GHZ on the x299 platform. I am not lacking any power in any ways. Gaming, rendering, heavy workload due to archive compression, nothing is a problem right now and shouldn't be in the next years..
I was so close to jumping into x299 and am glad I didn't. Cant wait for Z2 in Q2 :)
I jumped on a x79 platforn
Best decision ever
vctjkhme how
I’m still on X79 too with my xeon e5 2680 v2 overclocked to 4ghz on one core or an all core turbo of 3.5ghz (400mhz oc). I pair it with a 1070 and 32gb ram and it handles any game I throw at it very well while running multiple VMs in the background.
This is the kind of analytical writing and content that I love to see out of this channel! Keep up the great work, all!
Lol my friend got mad because he got a gaming PC for Christmas but it didn't have the specs he wanted. The PC he wanted was a pre built that had an i5 8400 8gb of ram and a GTX 1060 3gb. But the one his parents bought has an r5 2600 16gb of ram and an Rx 580 8gb. This kid was devastated. I tried to reason with him and tell him that the specs are similar and in a lot of ways better ie more ram, vram, and threads but he wouldn't have it. It just goes to show how well Intel has drilled it in people's minds that Intel and Nvidia are the way to go for gaming. But come Christmas day when he downloads and plays a bunch of games hopefully he will forget all about it.
Man RX580 8G > 1060 3G .
Also all these RUclipsrs fill the internet with how Intel is better for gaming. Now i recently saw a video comparing Ryzen Vs Intel on a 1070 there was no difference and anything over a 1070 i know Intel will win easily. But the RX 580 < 1070. Plus the Ryzen Platform is better for streaming using OBS, more threads.
@@pritishgulati8605 Of course 1070 is more powerful than RX 580, but it also costs about twice as much.
@@TrueZutyroI did'nt want to point out the GPU. I wanted to point out that the Ryzen Platform is perfect for Cards with GPU performance less or equal to 1070. Above a 1070 is where Intel starts to win.
@@TrueZutyro Also The RX 580>GTX 1060
@@pritishgulati8605 I get you. I own RX 580 and Ryzen 7 1700X
Linus DROPS bombs on INTEL's logics
@FacePwn64 you really deserve a like
Very solid advice for Intel
Sadly they aren't gonna take it.
2021 here, they removed 2 cores to improve single thread performance
*Computex 2019 happened*
The time is now.
Intel: The Empire
AMD: Rebel alliance
Is that supposed to make me like AMD? Galatic Empire is great and rebel scum are nothing more than terrorists.
Is that a lotgh reference?
the cores awaken
@@Albus_Rex lol well said
LOL! I love it
At least they’re screwing themselves and not just their customers anymore
Unless you are a random buying a workstation from dell.
Wow, 2 times "their" and one of them is correct. How's that possible?
they're**
You know I had to do it to em
@@NekkeDeez wrong. The OP did it right.
Matthew Tremain OP edited their comment.
Oh my god thanks so much dude you’ve taught me so much I was super confused about cpu‘s/processors before this and have been trying to learn everything I can I was super confused with the difference between Ryzen and Intel chips but you’ve cleared up so much I love your videos man please keep it up and thanks.
Great video and good to see that you included CAD applications to your benchmarks. It is true that almost all CAD applications benefit from clock speeds rather than core counts. However, as a design engineer myself, I have NEVER been in the situation that I will have only Solidworks/Creo/Intentor/Catia/NX openat any given time. I will have one or two of the aforementioned CAD packages open plus Autocad, plus 1 or 2 spreadsheets as a minimum, plus Outlook, plus whatever antivirus the company you work for has installed, a web browser and I will be running a 1st pass FEA or CFD simulation. On more extreme cases I will be having a full on CFD study running while I am working on CAD. That's why you need core counts.
2019 is AMD's year... especially if Intel continues their business practices. the Ryze of Team Red shall be once more!
Amd is shit tho, and Intel has been running the game for years so I doubt it
AMD has the 64 core 128 thread epix processor that comes out next year
i heard that amd has been "running" the game before intel came up with their i series processors
Nope
Yung MemeLord If it wasn't for Amd, nearly everyone would still be paying 300+ for quad core intel cpus 🤣
I bet Intel management watched this video and went like hmm are we really doing that?
I bet they didn't.
Nah I don't think so 🤔
I'm sure they watch Linus, He represents a lot of influence on CPU buyers world wide
I bet they don't even know who Linus is.
I bet Intel really doesn't care, they are just doing what they know will make them money. People will still buy their product if they don't change it, so why put all these expenses into changing all of this. Its how all mega corporations work sadly. Not hating on Intel because if AMD and Intel's places were switched I bet they'd do the exact same thing.
I really like this kind of Videos with clearly visible sponsors. And for the very first time I probably get something through it. Nice
Eyyyy! A Thursday Boot ad! I've been following them for years, very nice. haha
There are no pci express lanes .I mean the 9900k is a good chip (even though it is hot) but i need those sweet sweet pci express lanes :(
Then you aren't a gamer, because we don't.
@@nexxusty well when u have an nvme a capture card u will beg to disagree
@@ITGCofficial why not use amd ? Ryzen has 20 pci express lanes on consumer cpus, and if you really lack some, put your gpu to pcie x8 mode, unless you have a 2080ti you wont see any difference.
@@deus_nsf that's the point I have a 2080ti
@@ITGCofficial rip then !
There is a fake account going around offering a fake giveaway. Be aware
Those people are so Stupid to make fake account to do that
@@aviozstudio4903 fr. I just blocked them
Which account ? How you know it's fake ?
@@Ragssssss Its name is Linus Tech Tips. And if they contact you, it's obvious buddy. And its not the real Linus.
@@bryantquin-ajanihendrix543 its name is john cena tutdutuuuu
All of you and your teams research and analysis is greatly appreciated.
Awesome video. Very good take on the current status of CPUs.
Threadripper 2950X works extremely well for compiling code of big projects.
My colleagues and I are compiling, compiling compiling all day. Every time you save a file , your code saves and tests run in the background (thanks Gradle). Those tests are massively parallel and will use as may threads you can throw at it. No GPU offloading here. Threadripper is a software developers dream! Integration testing as hugely asynchronous (our code anyway), so will load up cores nicely. Idle threads on Amazon AWS will cost you money.
Hmm... you've given me something to think about for my future build. Everything is pointing me towards Threadripper. Seems like the long-term moneymaking cpu, unless you're doing major gaming.
agreed, till there's videomaking software that do the same, linus will say "no real world load will need more core"
I was looking for this comment. These tech reviewers should take into consideration there are other kinds of real workloads besides just gaming & media manipulation.
I mostly do data analysis using python, so it implies that more cores won't make a difference, right?
Wouldn’t Threadripper a bit of an overkill though? I’m thinking of just settle with 8C16T (2700x)
Hmmm Intel reminds me of a GPU manufactured that has screwed consumers aswell. I wonder... will AMD come out and completely destroy Nvidia like it did to Intel in the CPU market ? Imagine if AMD did not exist? Intel and nvidia would absolutely destroy consumers with their greed
Intel invented processors. They have saved AMD from bankruptcy many times to prevent themselves from becoming a monopoly and stagnating the industry. Intel is actually a large owner of AMD.
If you think Intel has screwed over consumers, you should recall that board games are the only games you would be playing without Intel, who invented CPUs.
you are stupid as shit @@catlover1986
@@catlover1986 That's not an excuse for not innovating.
+Fa11, they have innovated extensively. Their Core processors dominated for years, because they were the best in the world for a decade. Only now do they have competition, and they are still quite competitive. Right now, Intel is making leaps and bounds with innovation, not the least of which was their Optane solutions. Additionally, they have been working on a 7 NM architecture for some time but running into issues. Either way, this tech is expensive and time consuming to develop, but it cannot be argued that processors haven't improved massively in the last few years. Rather, Intel has been working on efficiency and optimization, and new features, rather than raw performance increases (as it isn't really a huge concern to make bigger single processor systems today). After all, we have multi-processor systems for servers and advanced computing, and we don't need really powerful processors for gaming because that's primarily GPU driven.
The reality is that my old I7-920 could handle most Triple AAA games today quite well with the right GPU, and my modern several year old Xeon (basically an I7-4770) can handle all modern games on high settings with 8 GB of DDR5 graphics.
@@catlover1986 Intel owns AMD? Provide at least one credible source. Something like that happening would be picked up on immediately by experts in their respective industries.
That was a lot of information. You took me to school with this one. Great video!
I just built my first system. Glad i went with AMD.
Me too, first from scratch build a few months ago.
In case you are wondering, I just did the math between a i7-9700k and a Ryzen Threadripper 1920X. If each cpu was used for about 3-4 hours a day at 25% usage you would pay about $50 more a year in electricity for the 1920x (national average electricity pricing). Didn't think this would actually be a factor in buying CPU's but it is lol. Intel will actually save me money :/
@@rawful502 people don't use computers at 25% usage too often
Why? Because it's the slower Choice?
Arctic Wolf Your just trying to find any reason to say intel is better 😂😂
Thanks for mentioning Adobe. Would you mind making a rant video about their poor multicore optimization? I really annoys me that Adobe is not willing to optimize anything other than Intel + NV combos. Even a shitty 6 core CPU with a shitty midrange GPU performs about as good as a 16 core AMD CPU with a big Vega chip. That cannot and shouldnt be the future for content creators who are deeply invested into the Adobe workflow...
Use DaVinci Resolve ;)
"Adobe inside, the way it's meant to be rendered" Should be their new slogan.
Use vegas m8
Wow xD
Yeah and it really sucks because Vegas is becoming to limiting for my increasing workload.
Just Intel doing Intel things.
Like making craploads of money. AMD would charge high prices too, if they could.
which is why amd wins
Very educational and good industry feedback. Will wait and see how the dust settles. Hopefully better for consumers.
Yay for Capitalism.
Give this person a cookie. Not some communist eight year old.
@@mason2874 yeah neither was the French revolution huh?
da
@@lorenzoiannuzzi3937 don't forget the German facism and that mustashe freak.
People are slowly learning, capitalism is fucked
AMD - Thanos
Intel - Spider-Man: I don't feel so good.
Fuck, I forgot about this. I'm sad now :(
xXSilentAgent47Xx we are all sad now.
Rip Stan Lee
Lol. This so SAADDD... Alexa, delete yourself.
@xXSilentAgent47Xx
xD
Those earring are straight out of 1997. Time to update your body's OS, Linus.
no kidding. my mom was wearing earrings back in the 60s.
old but ..gold i guess
@@CitroenGames Body OS 2005.4.6 for me.
I put this video in my Watch Later list 2 years ago and only got around watching it now
Thank you, AMD!
This is what drives me nuts about the anti-AMD crowd. AMD brought a lot of positive, much-needed innovation to the CPU market.. even if you don't prefer their products, they still deserve some recognition for that. Intel has been so stagnant for so long, and if it wasn't for AMD's sweeping return to the market, they probably still would be. This benefits all of us, no matter what "team" you're on.
big Thank you AMD
N.ESS hopefully if more people back up AMD then innovation will keep moving?
Next*
Oh Intel, *WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!*
Warden ah fuck i cant believe you’ve done this.
Oh AMD, you beauty!*
Left hand didn’t know what the right hand was doing...
@P. Taylor why do you need more slots if you can download more ram?
@@Parasite... why do you download ram when you can download a whole PC?
Highly suggest having your finger ready to hit "pause" to analyze properly the graphics in this video.
thank you for an insightful and helpful dissecting analysis, few would nail on target 🎯
i have absolutely no idea what this video is saying
i will never call myself tech savy again
AMD came out of nowhere and destroyed Intels convoluted product line up. Intel have been on the ropes ever since in the mainstream and HEDT markets.
@@x_x5009(H)igh-(E)nd (D)esk(T)op
..but I commend your effort.
@Multi gaming yes I think
@@x_x5009 I wouldn't recommend using your acronym face to face with a sales rep :D
Intel made a chip they didn't have to make and priced it so high it's even a little cruel to their fans.
*I can't believe you've done this!*
Ali107 quick question would a 6gb of vram 1060 pair well with an i7 2600
@@amanc9835 Yes, maybe you´ll get a little bottleneck in some games , but it´s a good combo (remember that the rx 580 is cheaper)
😂
*o o f*
Doritos MLG I appreciate it
Love the Homestar Runner / Strongbad reference for the title card!
About 15 years ago or so, I remember looking for a new (desktop) PC and seeing that on top of "Core2Duo", that now offer "Core 2Quad" processors. Back then I thought to myself that probably within a year they'd sell 8-core processors, then a year later 16-core processors and, by the time I'll buy my next computer, it'll probably have 64 or 128 cores (it's just that this is what usually happens with widely-known computer parts; 25 years ago my computer had 16 MB of RAM, and today it has 32,000 MB of RAM...). So, anyway, I was very surprised to learn - maybe a decade later, when I finally had the money to buy a good laptop - that even the Core i7 still has just 4 cores, just like 10 years ago.
A fake Linus Tech Tips friended me and say I won the give away I'm heartbroken
Same happened to me with a fake Nintendo account :(
@@XyonVlogs it should be possible to AT LEAST report them 😑
@@nowonmetube but nowdays youtube bots are stupid so these type of alts and thotbots are going around in the comments.
You do know you can report that to RUclips right? 😳
@@nghkazuha6804 I've not seen a comment want the fake Nintendo account 😑
And it's still too likely for non in-depth users to fall for that!
Thank you, thank you. best video ever. you have finally explained intel's processors and boards. I finally know what to buy and why to buy it. Good to see a video that's not about overclocking and case mods or glowing video cards and ram.
Just don't buy Intel. Problem solved.
Gaming and overclocking, and a very small amount of workload apps: Intel. Everything else: AMD
To be honest if you are just gaming you don't have to get the latest cpu either. I have no problems with the latest games using an i5 3570k which is 6½ years old.
@@atkin207 Depends on what you're running. Your setup might do fine for 1080p but 4k and 1440p is a different deal
@@atkin207 yeeehaw! My rig is also rocking an old i5 3570k!!! It's overclocked to up to 4.0 GHz and runs awesome. I mean i still can't use DDR4 nor do i have any huge multithreaded performance but for gaming it still rocks!
Core i3, at least used to in many cases, support ECC, though the platform cost rose significantly (more than double the price for a motherboard)
One more reason to go AMD.
AMD brainlet here, what's a good AMD Ryzen process for gaming?
@@Albus_Rex If you wish the most bang for the buck, and can't afford to go too crazy on the budget, the Ryzen 5 2600 is one of the best chips right now. I'd probably throw in a little more for a Ryzen 5 2600X that is clocked higher, as I'm not too great on overclocking.
@@TridonsEve And what are thermals like? Would I need water cooling or just CPU cooler? I'm still using a damned FX-6300 in 2018.
@@Albus_Rex Unless you need to build a system that is as quiet as possible, the stock coolers are good on both the 2600 and 2600X. They aren't noisy at all, but you will hear them if all threads starts working. I was using the FX-9370 up until September. I'm not shaming any fx-users.
@@TridonsEve Alright, sounds good. I'll probably build a whole new computer as I need a new motherboard either way due to different sockets. I'll do some more digging on price and performance from AMD.
I usually fill all of the PCIe slots in my systems w/ expansion cards... just not co-processing cards like the Red Rocket, heh.
Hi i am a huge fan of urs
Where to buy or order pc parts in canada i am recently shifted to canada from australia
And as a student i need to save some money...
@@FoodRecipes108 canada computers is a good one, theres also Newegg.ca and memoryexpress
i need more cores to watch youtube and use office
Jesus Alfonso I need even more cores to play minesweeper and solitaire
@@WeMustSecureABetterTomorrow lame cuz they both run on a single cores at the same time
I feel you I need more cores for all the pornh-- all these chrome tabs I have open.
Basically every AMD fan. Going on about cores and Threadripper even though almost none of them will actually use that many cores. Heck even 8 cores is kinda overkill for your average user/gamer. People acting like you need 8+ cores to "multitask" (i.e. run Discord & Chrome in the background); you don't.
LOL
AMD absolutely destroyed intel’s rip off racket. Good riddance.
As i watch the boots ad, i remember buying new boots yesterday :D
Now it's time for AMD to make it's own version of the 9900K, just faster and cheaper and better.
*EDIT*: Wow, thank you all for the likes! This is my first comment ever to get over 150 likes.... Maybe we could get to 300? :)
And with Blackjack.
they can't. They would've otherwise.
Intel still reigns over the CPU market with better performance at literally everything.
It will still take quite some time until AMD boosts up their single core speed to match Intels usability.
And even if they do; AMD chips and cards are still the definition of power hungry room heaters.
Intel is currently still winning in every single aspect besides price... Which.. is okay, since they are that much better
@@ObsidiaBeast actually Ryzern consumes significantly less than 8core i7 processors. And price always matters, since no Consumer needs real high end products anymore.
Amd is for cheap ass pussies
@@ObsidiaBeast Zen 2 will be a big upgrade according to the leaks so far.
AMD always said Zen 2 would be a bigger upgtade than Zen+. It doesnt take much to absolutely destroy the 9900k. Especially when price is considered.
So Intel got to comfortable and was sitting around making 400 thousand different CPU variations with slight power boosts over the years n AMD just make a couple affordable ones n blew them out of the water?
"Blew them out of the water". No. Became competitive? Yes.
This is a healthy arms race. Intel has much deeper pockets and more R&D in the pipeline. AMD has unleashed their opening surprise attacks. We're still waiting for the empire to strike back. Intel will likely change their strategy over the next year, which should prove interesting. Consumers win either way.
Let's be clear, AMD is as $25 Billion company. Intel is closer to a $250 billion company (over 10x value). Intel isn't going down that easily.
@@catlover1986 Intel doesn't have any choice but to go down that easily or change the way they do business. Most of their major business practices in the past have been proven unlawful. That's the source of Intel's success. So the reason AMD is doing so well is because it's been rightfully winning their lawsuits.
@@Doing_It_Wrong Lets not mistake AMD outselling Intel in the desktop consumer sector for 1 year as the death of Intel. Intel still makes the faster CPU, and still hold both the consumer & commercial market shares. Most importantly Intel still utterly dominates the laptop market which is by far the largest consumer CPU market. They also hold a 98% market share in data/sever sectors that make up most of their revenue.
@@kingdingaling9214 Absolutely correct. The only reason AMD is able to compete right now is because of the lawsuits they've won. Intel isn't dead or dying by any means.
Intel will be the next Nokia.confirmed.
whoa, so apparently when I went for i7-5820K, OCing to 4.3GHz and running rock-solid MacOS wasn't that bad hit years ago when seeing what's going on now :O
Thank you LTT for benchmarking SOLIDWORKS and other CAD packages, and your assessments are spot on!
My next CPU will definitly be AMD
mine too, I love how AMD is making the market interesting again
I am still using my AMD FX6400 six core. It was strong during its time and still going. I am going to upgrade soon to the new Ryzen core though.
same, i just bought an r5 2600 to replace my i5 7400. definitely a purchase i dont regret
You are getiing a DELL with high speed AMtel Pentium R99Extreme prosessor with 100 Terabytes of cache.
Same here but gonna still use shit out of my 8700k
i'm still happy with my i7 6800K but the next upgrade will be AMD for sure.
have a 3770k and just bought really cheap a 1700 xD
Maybe R5 2600 or 2600x
Same, but that screenshot where the r7 beat it by a minute in rendering was kind of painful. I'm still looking to snag a used 6950x to replace it.
The same here with i5-6500 .. and sure the next will be AMD !
@@umadbro4493 Dear god, why? You know if you overclock a 3770K it should actually get *higher* framerates in gaming than a 1700?
I understand if you're doing streaming or some multi-core workloads, but in gaming it's actually a downgrade unless your CPU is dying.
I needed to hear him say casual Fridays in this way
the dodecahedron decoration on the background.... you can see the future
Excel spreadsheets, nothing tortures a processor and ram like Excel spreadsheets.
I particularly like the way Excel hits 100% CPU usage while *not* recalculating a sheet if you don't click the "click here to edit this workbook" button, a few minutes after opening a workbook over a network.
use .xlsb files instead of .xlsx and.xlsm or even .xls. As someone who regulary works with 50k+ rows worksheets I can tell you they are significantly faster. Only downside is they are harder to restore when the file is corrupted buit if you keep backups that shouldn't be a problem.
@@megapro125 Binary doesn't help much when it's frequently 300-400mb files with 600k-800k rows. Then you throw in 30 to 50 different functions and you can hear the processor's fans screaming for mercy while prompts about low memory pops up left an right. Should I be using SQL instead? Maybe. Do I have the patience to learn how to use SQL? A resounding NO. The only ever thing to match the demand of my spreadsheets is Lightroom when rendering a gigpixel panorama or focusing stacking 5gb+ of images on PS.
@@StuninRub You can set formulas to only update manually or try automating functions with VBA scripts that stop the rendering of the sheet alltogether during the calculation of your functions but with 400 mb files even that probably wont help a lot^^
(Also you probably have it disabled allready but if not: automatic formating based on cell content completely kills performance.)
@@StuninRub .. I used to use macros on spreadsheets like that. 20-30min later I would have a result. Then I took some time to script it in Python. Start and.. done in under 10sec. Although that means I don't need a super computer anymore. Hmmmm.... on second thought, those macros can't be replaced!
392 Intel fan boys who payed 2000$ for 8+ cores
True, but it's Paid*
No it’s paided
No it’s paying
Bloodly hell Linus. Add Autodesk Inventor for benchmark. Autodesk is for CAD like Adobe is for photo/video
inventor is a toy compared to soilworks/siemens nx
I'm overdue for a PC update.
If i'm looking for a MOBO socket that has the best upgrade potential in the future, what do you recommend and why?
intel 1151 vs amd am4?? (2066 vs TR4?)
This is why you go Amd kids. That's a life lesson for ya.
went to pc shop yesterday and salesman asked what's my cpu. i said i5-3550.
he laughed and replied "is that a 1st generation. you need some new 8th gen sir".
i then just bought a $150 gpu, and is now rocking 60fps 1080p gaming.
who needs a coffee lake? Ivy bridge still rockin!
1080p lul
@@dhkatz_ You do you, man
pfft dont kid yourself...
my 3570k is starting to choke..
But posh having a 3550. I'm still rocking a 3450 overclocked to 4.1Ghz.
I'm still rocking the i5 3570 and my wife has the i7 3770. Awesome chips. Not planning on replacing them anytime soon.
Interesting points :-)
Thanks for sharing :-)
Was thinking of going the Intel route for my next build (whenever that day may come)...not anymore.
#TeamRyzen
So as I understand: Intel was holding back cores from consumer CPUs, offering them in very expensive HEDT processors. AMD comes out and offers high core count for consumers at an affordable price and forces Intel to up the core count on the consumer CPUs. Now HEDT is pointless because the only ace it had (lots of cores) is available for cheaper consumer CPUs. In addition to that, consumer CPUs have an advantage now by having a GPU in them, which HEDT does not. Is this correct?
Also note that users who require ECC now have a much cheaper option than Xeon Ws with Ryzen from R3 at the bottom all the way through to Epyc.
Wait what? Other than the reliability of ECC (most stable PC I've ever used by far) and the performance of a low-end i7 at a much lower price, the main reason I got a Xeon E3 was because it had a noticeably better integrated GPU than the consumer lineup. Most enterprise applications that aren't video editing don't need a discrete GPU, but anything doing any rendering at all will need *a* GPU, and accounting I'd imagine would prefer not to allow a CPU that doesn't come with one to be installed. Nobody has a real Xeon alternative though, so it's not like they killed the server market if they did get rid of the integrated graphics. Heck, they could charge $3k for a 2011 Celeron with no GPU that they label a Xeon because it supports ECC, and what else would there be to buy? AMD Opteron is a joke, nobody wants full APUs on a mostly-headless server.
+Sean Kurth, I agree with most of what you wrote, but AMDs EPYC is their answer, Opteron is dead.
Credits to Intel for giving single core performance competition but God am I thankful for AMD for not only making 8 cores mainstream but also pumping up the APUs performance in this GPU crisis, they're Godsend
what " in this GPU crisis"?
Chaitanya Singh really ? U mean cheap gpu flood ? Where have u been for the last half year ?
@@TuanLe-eb5yp yeah, I don't think buddy here realizes that Ethereum is dead
APUs are the salt of the earth.
This is a great time for gpus can get used RX 470-580 cards for about $120
Somehow I feel guilty for not buying AMD to support the competitive environment... Thank you for existing AMD
I'm happy with my Intel build but feel a little guilty for not buying AMD to show my support..! Wish the same competition exist in the GPU market
I felt bad for not upgrading my system earlier. I had a Skylake system. I waited quite a while and finally jumped into Ryzen with a 3800X. The performance difference has been kinda crazy for me, to say the least.
Thanks to AMD Intel had to reduce prices for their chips, to stay competitive. so it’s a win - win.
Idk how but i just know the time when you will say "after this msg from our sponsors"..lol
Intel is drunk
I want what they're havin
Hey danny
hey buddy
Me 2
Intel, youre drunk, go home
hello person I recognize from the bf3 forums.
Right now intel is being trashed by amd. On a budget, there is no reason to go for intel. I guess that’s what 3 generations of non upgrades will do to a company
Yeah. Just had a fun black friday educating family that Ryzen 5 is basically Core i5 but cheaper
However, the clock speeds that Intel offers is superior for gaming. That being said, if you want a cheaper price per core, AMD is the way to go.
Keep in mind that it's Intel who invented Haswell Cpus. Theoretically if Intel had kept their Haswell line and then did the "Skylake and above" line completely separate, then Intel could still have Cpus competitive with AMD Ryzen. The issue here is Intel's product line-up, things like broadwell and broadwell-e, kabylake-x which is now reached its peak performance, too many coffee-lake cpus for a single generation, and HEDT. But that doesn't mean those offerings are bad, because they all perform generally around they were expected to. Intel Xeon even performs as expected. That's a lot less trash than AMD previously releasing bulldozer architecture and refreshing the same exact thing for YEARS, and not providing a suitable replacement for AMD K12 for even longer than bulldozer's cycle( another reason why Xeon has been so relevant before the release of EPYC and Ryzen). AMD is only good now because they capitalized on Intel's lack of 1. Haswell-style general performance cpus that can still compete with "single thread float-style" cpus and 2. A competent server CPU that doesn't cost an arm and a leg like a Xeon does.
@@syferpolski4344 nobody cares
@@eisas1306 get a life
They just got insanely greedy. Even though I can buy whatever I want for my hobby. It insults my intelligence when they literally try to take you for a fool. Nvidia on the same trajectory.
Nvidia literally doesn't have a rival in the high end segment. Intel does now.
Kutay Arıcan Nvidia needs a high end competitor or else everything will be even more overpriced in the future
@@kutayarcan911 They have a mid rage kart from navi is that fast as a RTX 2080 in new DX12 games 0.o even when dx12 will be the new standard we saw that a Vega 56 Destroy a 1080 TI in new Dx12 games .... A R9 390 destroy a 2060 0.o here is the real answer for Nvidia and intel fanboys, you just got milked all the years and everyont told you that, you did not listen and what happen ? people with older cards can still paly new games and we saw that in Farcry 5 already a damn HD7970 that was battleing against a GTX 680 have 50 - 60 fps on ultra in 1080p there and how much FPS a Gtx 680 have in Farcry 5 ?
FINALLY someone sane here
By the way, compiling code can use up to whatever cores you want. I use all cores (including threads) to compile it faster. I have the I9-7920X and with 24 threads (12 cores) it's awesome. turbo to 4.5 or more kicks in when I'm building the whole project and I don't have to wait for the debug.
Imagine if you bought AMD shares at 21$ before it shot up to 45-100/share
@riousgeorgieo
18/12/02
AMD share price: $21.32
Intel share price: $49.26
**claps slowly**
Imagine buying Domino's at $200. #SponsorMeDominos
Imagine if you bought Bitcoin when it first appeared...
Imagine buying land in Dubai during the 1960s for $100/sqft
I actually own AMD stock. It hasn't been above about $34 (at least not in five years, I don't know about earlier), and that was the peak. It currently sits at about $20. Still a good buy if you got it cheap, but even better if you sold it at its peak. It has lost all of the gains it made in the last three months. Still, I think it is a good long term buy. Just got to get in at the right price.
intel stopped making sense after 7th generation
More like 3rd or 4th. Sandy Bridge was the last (so far) exciting architecture to come out with huge performance improvements and massive overclock ability, all at a great price!
@@woopygoman Yeah, everything after Devil's Canyon has just been tiny little IPC increases. Still running a 4790K in my rig and haven't come close to feeling like I need an upgrade.
what you talking about,8600k/8700k are beast cpu's for gaming and their value was great compared to 7th gen,till the shortages of stock came out...
The video is actually saying the reverse, unless you only care about HEDT tasks. In the consumer market, Intel makes more sense now with Coffee Lake and beyond than it has for years of quad core chips.
...I'm still happy with my 1st-gen Nehalem (Westmere) Xeon X5667 (4c/8t), and plan to bump up to the 6c/12t X5690, but yeah, Sandy Bridge was the sweet spot.
compiling code can also be gpu accelerated, however this is most often only needed in the tests of very large projects, since most code compilers are quite fast.
I agree with Linus and His opinion here. I have always liked Intel’s HEDT set ups. But, they lag so much that it isn’t worth it anymore. I would rather have Z370/390 with a 6 or 8 core chip. It just seems to make more sense. At least for those of us that don’t need balls out power work stations.
Again, thank you Linus for sticking your neck out on this and giving us your honest opinion. Much appreciated!
I am still using i7 2600k and it is totally fine. But the next upgrade I will also consider AMD
That generation was an absolute beast. The i5 2400 still rocks too.
I overclocked mine to 4.8 and im still happy lol such an awesome architecture
Same man! Got my running at 4.7 GHz,16 gb of ram, and a 980ti. No reason to upgrade yet!
@@dalenfillenwarth I thought so too. Until we had a new hire at work and I decided to hand over that machine, build a new one, while keeping my 980ti and moving to 8700k on z370. Holy Sh$t. The improvement in rendering times, gaming framerates and frametimes was substantial. Well worth the upgrade.
@@dallas7103 oh ya I don't doubt that I'd be getting a noticeable boost in performance but I've kinda dropped outta the gaming scene recently so playing most new games at 1080p 60hz doesn't bother me. Just glad that I've got a rig from 2011 that still is mildly relevant 😂
Yo Linus, your URL for Thursday Boots is broken.
worked for me. here's the expanded link
thursdayboots.com/?
Nice booties
100% agree with this device.. Would love to hear now in 2020 how well this played out.
I was hoping you would mention something about hitting the physical limitations with classical computing