Fastest way on Reddit is to post obviously wrong information and someone will then actually give you the correct answer in the form on sarcasm within about 25 seconds
Think this may be a future project to add to the forums. A parts list for set price points that updates with currently available prices. You guys give great parts advice in terms of when the product launches, but that's a tiny segment of the market for people building PCs. Those that buy products after everything has been fully reviewed so they can make an informed decision (like you advise) deserve to get good advice too.
There is a magazine in the UK called Customer PC that have had that same segment for as long as I can remember. They have like 4-5 systems depending on budget, then as they review things they swap parts in and out!
While they were only considering perfomance, I think recomemding a case thats easier to build in is totally valid. If someone is asking for parts suggestions, then its likely they dont have a ton of computer building experience (or at least arent up to date with current parts). Seems reasonable to me to suggest something that would be easier to work in if the person you're recommending to has limited experience.
@@jamakasis18thats exactly it. Very few people would tear down their their first try at building and fix it. So if building sucked, you now have a rats nest of cables collecting dust and terrible air flow until their second pc where they learned their lesson and buy a decent case or worse, hated it so much that they buy prebuilt now
@@toolbaggers what a more accurate analogy would be, using a regular Phillips head driver on a Japanese Industry standard Phillips screw. It'll get the job done, but you won't be as keen to remove it when you risk messing up the screw head.
I would argue PcPartPicker's forums is more deserving of the number one spot because having the dialogue and response to make a brand new or first time PC builder feel like they're not getting in over their head is the quality of life that encourages a person to feel comfortable out of their comfort zone. Good job you guys~~~
All of these platforms offer dialogue and responses to your given build, and that can be a good or bad thing depending on who responds lol. Like the guy on PCPP giving heavy misinformation about using windows without activating it and getting cheap keys.
The PcPartpicker forum has it's up's and downs some of them being extremely fast response time and a lot of very competent individuals. However from first hand experience there are also a lot of unqualified people posting their suggestions in there so people that are new to pc building have to be aware that going with the first listing you see isn't a good idea without doing some research online. Still it's one of the best forums regarding advise on any things PC hardware and the people behind the scenes seem to be pretty motivated to improve their Website.
PCPartPicker was huge back in the day when GPUs weren't $2000+. Ever since they removed the Off-Topic section a lot of dedicated members have left and gone inactive.
I suppose this emphasizes the importance of shopping around before building. Ask around in multiple communities, so you have access to the widest amount of people who might have ideas on what to buy, and then pit them against each other. Each rig had redeeming qualities.
Huge props to LTT for being transparent about the LTT forums not being up to snuff for this video. They didn't seem biased in any way, and I respect that. Loved the concept for this and was well done!
They don’t have an incentive because they don’t really control the forums in a way, it’s like it’s own separate entity Edit: that has their beautiful name on it.
It's important to note, that reddit had a list, that appears to be made and maintained by the whole community, while PCPartPicker and ltt forum had individuals, who suggested their own views on the best pc. They say two minds are better than one. And the reddit hive-mind is certainly effective. That list surely has the most *consistent* quality you could get across those three options.
That list ist existing basically in every Forum here in Germany. You can either just use an example from the list or get an individual configuration recommend from individual users. I think the configuration from LTT forum ist not that bad. Most users will just switch the GPU in few years und you can actually do this if you have a solid CPU/Mainboard/PSU/Case. However: You shouldn´t get that low with GPU Performance in this price range.
@@darkness8631 Depends. Current games 60fps target or e-sport 180fps target? Do you do anything else apart from gaming on that PC? Especially at the entry level, +30 bucks for CPU and +15 bucks for the mainboard can offer a lot of QoL for general usage.
Some notes to the editor or QA: At 10:40 for the LTT Forum build you mention 32GB of memory, showing in the background clearly 4 RAM sticks, while the pop-up reads: 2x 16GB. Something must've gone wrong here. At 12:02 when Linus talks about the case choices, he lists them in this order: Fractal, Phanteks, Lian Li, corresponding to LTT Forum, Reddit and PC PartPicker, and the cases are flown in in the edit from left to right in that order. In the background of him talking the builds were ordered like this from left to right: Reddit, PCPartPicker, LTT Forum. Thus, I think it would've been cleaner if you showed first the LTT Forum/Fractal Case on the right (like he says it first), then the Phanteks case on the left (his second mention), still showing Linus gesticulating and talking in the middle, before you then show the third case he talks about in the middle (PCPartPicker/Lian Li). This way, not only would the conitnuum of the order of the builds be conserved, the viewer also gets the chance to follow Linus' performance the longest. Just my 2 cents :) Otherwise, cool video! Great to see what cool suggestions the communities came up with.
They've gone back to daily uploads. It's clear the editors have less time to do videos now, thus mistakes going through (even though they have like multiple people going through triple checking it)@@kimbroslic3
I believe the pop-up may be what was recommended on the forum, and what was in the case was what they actually used, as he said earlier that they used what they had on hand rather than buying hardware. Could also just be a mistake though
As someone who has posted about a relationship on r/AITA, I can concur. Although tbf that was an abusive relationship, so they were right that time. After posting there I subbed and read the posts that came up in my feed. A lot of them were immediately went to a nuclear solution.
@@ians7184 in most of the cases, AITA is like a bucket of crabs..they never want you to get out of the bucket, and so they'll manipulate you back to the bucket, which in this case is being single and sour
@@ians7184r/femaledatingstrategy and r/datingadvice and others are way worse than r/aita But to be fair all of them mostly just has 99% fake posts that are fantasy to the author lol
The results match my experience when I tried to build my first PC earlier this year. PC Part Picker's forums are genuinely more enthusiastic and helpful than I expected, and while LTT's tier lists were really helpful my final build ended up (for my use cases in FEA/CAD) ended up much closer to the PC Part Picker recommendations than the LTT forum ones. No shame to either one though - I appreciated all the advice on both!
This is something that should be revisited. I’d like to see a few videos on this to give more people a chance to chime in to give each community more data points.
One of my favorite websites to use as a reasonable starting point for choosing parts is logical increments. The website is constantly updated as new hardware comes out and prices change. It also provides a ton of price ranges and the possible parts you can pair together. While there's more to it than that, it gives you an idea of what parts you should be comparing for a given price range. When a friend requests my help for building a PC, that website is the the first place I go to get an idea of the current hardware landscape.
I recently had to replace my PC, and I chose the Fractal Pop XL Silent case to build it in. I didn't regret it. Very nice case, and it came with 4 fans preinstalled which for about £90 is a steal.
I don't know if it's still available but for SFF PC's I absolutely LOVE the Node 202 from Fractal. It's literally one of the easiest cases to build in that I own and it's about the size of a ps5.
@ILikeToEatCatz I am explaining why build advice is such a terrible topic, there are no reference points. Especially as unless your a PC builder, you dont build 2 similar pc's or test quality and instead have only individual anecdotal pieces of evidence.
Small form computers and itx builds? SFF network and SFF reddit. The sheer amount of resources, custom brackets or. Fan cooling, or just endless advice is beyond amazing for all your small form factor computer needs. Depending on the computer it's often better to just go to the large niche community who spends their time doing nothing but that computer build niche
What I love about sff the most is the community driven to the extremes on both ends of size and performance. Although I must admit that in my personal opinion everything above 15L shouldn’t be counted as SFF
SFF? You should really use full names in an environment about newcomers to a space trying to find resources for building PCs. If they are aware of what SFF is, they probably aren't the main demographic for this video.
@@LoganChristiansonI have to agree, especially given the fact that a lot of LTT viewers aren't even native english speakers, which enhance the difficulty to understand abbreviations.
Corrections for the LTT Build: At 10:40, it should be the Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (4x8) DDR4-3600 CL 18 At 10:57, it appears to be the Seasonic FOCUS GX-750, but I'm not entirely sure on that one. At 11:03, the card is a Sapphire PULSE RX 7600 (still a 2X card)
@@johnathangreer2472 but that was about that specific build , this mistake was way off.. dont really care but if they are going for correct representation then mistakes were made in editing obviously..
@@wrangler2155 No, it's for all the builds. He says "Now you might notice for our test builds today, that we didn't necessarily worry too much about having the exact same parts, but we did make an effort to ensure that our results would be comparable.
Reddit always reminds me of those experiments that show how any one individual is all but certain to not correctly guess how many Jelly Beans are in a jar, but if you ask 100 people and average their answers that will usually be pretty close to the correct number. Any one individual answer/comment has a high likelihood of being incorrect, but when almost all the comments consistently say the same thing it's usually worth looking into it, if for no other reason than to verify
I use PC Part Picker to check on compatibility on possible builds, and forums for more specific questions like "what's the best GPU that I can pair with my CPU?"
Doesn't always pick up on things like cooler RAM clearance or GPU fitment, insufficient fan headers, or needing a certain BIOS version to support the RAM kit you're going for. It's good to have someone with more familiarity with possible pitfalls to doublecheck everything even if PC part picker gives you the all ok.
@@PBMS123 Cooler incompatibility with tall RAM heatspreaders can still be a fairly common problem. NH-D15 is still a very popular cooler and often you just can't fit tall RAM under it without having to relocate or remove the second fan, and not all cases have the width to be able to just scoot the fan up the tower to make room for the RAM underneath and still be able to close the side panel. It's these little things you don't pick up without knowing to look for them.
Well, people will give you very different and often wrong info on any forum. Especially "which CPU with which GPU". People have a very skewed idea of how important CPU is due to CPU benchmarks/reviews where they typically run games at 1080p low settings to purposefully create a bottleneck. When in reality, the GPU will almost always be the bottleneck and CPU really won't matter
For me it seemed like the last one is suuuuper solid if you're planning on upgrading the gpu within the year or so since the GPU won't be as bottlenecked by other components, but that still is sacrificing performance in the present.
Agreed. The larger amount of ram, faster cpu, plus a better/faster nvme, etc gives you more ‘general use’ performance. The video card can easily be upgraded within the next year. For a ‘noob’ computer user, I think the LTT system is the better buy.
I have a old system and did it the other way around. Bought a 3060 (and a new screen) on sale and I will be upgrading the rest within a year or two. So makes sense if you want a beast pc but are on a budget.
I'd argue for trying to squeeze a Ryzen 7000 series in as the ram prices are somewhat similar AND it will have longer support (or so AMD says). 12/13/14th gen Intel is theoretically "done" as Intel usually moves to a new socket type. But a NEW PC with 5000 series? Can't really recommend that anymore :(
Fantastic breakdown of the different builds! It's really insightful to see the diverse parts each of these platforms recommended. Even though there wasn't a clear "best" configuration, it's testament to how each config produced excellent performance in different ways! Valuable lesson learned: don't skimp on GPU for gaming rigs! Thanks for the practical guide. I'll definitely be referring back to this when building my next PC!
I will say, for Reddit, asking for a complete build like they did here isn't where /r/buildapc shines. However, if you post a complete build and ask for thoughts/advice, you will usually get engagement. Expecially if you're like "here's my build. I want to play Starfield on 1080. Is anything really bottlenecking me here." And I think you'd get good responses in the comments. So it's sort of a square peg round hole issue for how they chose to use /r/buildapc
@@sunbleachedangel that was a long time ago. People who needed help fixing their existing builds grew and it is now more of a tech support sub for people building PCs. It is for the people who want to engage and learn building PCs now. Not for spoon feeding people who come and then leave and never come back.
And you don't even need to post a complete build. If you have an idea for some parts and need advice for the rest, while also giving budget and use case, you will usually get really helpful comments and maybe even discussions about the parts going. Sometimes it turns to really funny comment chains as well. In all honesty, /r/buildapc is imho one of the top communities on reddit.
Nice vid! It’s hard to a newbie pull the trigger and give a good info to them. On the LTT build says that is 32GB of Ripjaws but are corsair on the build, on the PSU said it’s Corsair but on the video we saw a Seasonic. (The ram could impact the performace)
Hi LTT, Love the video but there are a few areas I believe that could lead to some confusion. 1. the LLT requirements at 1:48 states "operating system required:Windows", however not all the builds chosen by LLT include an OS therefore not meeting LTT's own requirements (leading to difference in recommendations such as PC part picker at 6:14) nor staying within budget. This also skews the cost vs performance vs helpfulness of said forums. 2. Minor scripting error at 3:23 when Linus states "16GB kit". On screen information and build both state 32GB 3. Possible discrepancy with Reddit Build at 4:07. The screenshot shown has two storage devices in the cart/build (2x WD Green 1TB NVME). This is different than the Single Titanium Micro TH4985 1TB listed in the video description and the Reddit buyers guide. Without knowing what build was actually purchased, this again could skew cost vs performance vs helpfulness. 4. Aligned with #3 above, at 6:54 Linus mentions the PCPartPicker build has "half as much storage at 1TB". The storage for the Reddit built was never shown nor discussed in the video. Also based on #3 above there is no factual proof that the PCPartPicker is indeed half the storage, as if the listed Titanium Micro was purchased based on the video description then it would be the same not half. 5. Issue at 6:28. LTT removed the copy of windows although stating Windows and OS was required, see #1 above. Also the build was not chosen as it was quite under budget. However, the LLT forum build at 10:24 is also $100(10%) under budget while stating at 12:34 that all the systems are "the exact same amount". A 10% difference in price is a pretty significant margin of error/delta in cost when LLT chose the build, as that can allow for a tier bump on a CPU or GPU (would explain the lower performance). Recommendations: 1. A smaller margin of error/delta in costs when choosing builds. 2. Validation checks that the chosen builds meeting the outlined requirements. 3. Provide better transparency by including the full purchase order of parts and costs to the viewership, to better compare cost vs performance vs helpfulness of the forums to make more informed decisions.
The 3600MT kit in the PCPartPicker build is also shown at 8m04s to appear to be running at only 2666MT, which will have an impact on the Starfield performance being shown.
that Phanteks case took me a month to find, but it hit every single thing I wanted. Affordable, pretty well made, and the airflow is excellent. Honestly, best case I've built in for the size. My previous case was a Corsair 200R, which at the time was nice, but is so massive and just didn't make sense to keep using for a new build. Even funnier on the second build, the Lian Li case was my higher priced option over the Phanteks, which the bigger front fans would be nice, but really not necessary. I would say you're unlikely to see a huge difference in heat. The front mesh panels on both are the big reason. They also grab a lot of dust without causing air flow issues. And the 6800 is an excellent GPU from what I am seeing, and if I'm upgrading from the 6600, it's a solid choice. On the 3rd option, I think they set the person building it up for a better long term upgrade with the GPU. I opted for a much higher end build on my own system and only sacrificed the GPU since prices were insane at the time, and the 6600 was the best bang for the buck at the time.
@@RedleafUK It's a great case, just lacks some modern stuff on the front panel, and takes up a ton of room. I keep it on the floor so it was raised up on a stand with castors. My desk came with a flat wood stand and a small case fit much better. I still do not have a use for the 200R, which is a shame since it was reliably great for a decade.
@@xoniq-vr lol no, you people just love to discount ray tracing and dlss/framegen because you dont like Nvidia like it or not the tech is being used go really good effect now
@@Freestyle80 don't play alan wake 2 then, honestly speaking, that game is not that graphical stunning to be that heavy to run, just bad optimization, that's all
Nice to see the builds, and I agree with the results. I think Reddit and PCPartPicker just have more community to overall pull from to get the results. Also nice seeing Antlion Mod Mic buying some space. Still have my mic I bought when I purchased my first set of PC parts. It's stiill working wonderfully with my Audio-technica headphones.
Glad yours is still working. My group of friends have gone through enough mod mics that we've mostly changed over to podcast-lite condenser mics on boom arms. Wildly better price/performance than what Antlion asks and no need to mess with an extra cable going to your headphones.
I changed my PC around a month ago and got myself to build it on my own for the first time. I asked people on Reddit and someone gave me a PcPartPicker list, which I then used as a basis to swap components for ones fitting my budget. Eventually, I went on LTT forums to ask about mores specific advice. All in all, all 3 have been very helpful and this new PC is amazing. Kudos to the people on all three websites.
I would love a small hint to how much power a build uses. Just a few seconds saying an average or something. Not just for this video, but for future builds.
Best thing to assume when thinking about power usage - assume the PSU is using its maximum all the time, just in case it ever is. That way you wont accidentally trip the fuse box.
@@itskdog I imagine he was asking about power usage in regards to how much it'll cost (which is a big concern in Europe as the more efficient but pricier build can pay for itself within a year), not whether it'll overpower the network.
an 5800x3d at full power and an rx 6800 also full throttle with 2 nvmes and 2 ssd´s plus one hard drive dont even stress my 500w bq pure power 11 all ridiculously overspecced
I found a RUclipsr that did builds. He had a link to his site, & it had specs. For my first build, I just altered what he had slightly & made sure it was compatible with the motherboard I chose.
This was great. Also oddly reminds me that my setup similar to Reddits means that maybe I dont have to rush for Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals because the difference in fps vs money going out isn't great enough for me. Products aren't really blowing each other out of the water anymore and it's really just smaller and the data does say smaller..victories.
I got something of a best of both worlds from these builds with 6800 and 5700x in a lian li 215 case. Picked and built myself and was also considering a 4070. Pretty surprised they're this close in performance, considering i spent half the price on 6800, lol
I bought a used HP Omen desktop, 11900K, 3080Ti, 32GB RAM, 1TB NVMe for $900, it thermal throttled a lot, spent the extra $100 to put all those in a used Corsair 4000D with 6xML120 a Noctua D-15, everything runs cool and quiet. BTW, those HP Omen 25L/30L/45L systems have standard motherboards and CoolerMaster Gold PSU, so case swap is a breeze and is a such a good deal.
I wonder if LTT will ever make updated version of the "as fast as possible' series. Would be cool to see those with the better production quality and whatnots.
I just built my new PC today, and then this video comes out, lol. I...took a different approach. Spreadsheets! Well, I basically did a combination of hardware benchmark ratings and pricing, and determined how the value laid out. I also compared these benchmarks to the PC I was replacing, just a 3 year old pretty much top of the line PC. From a purely benchmark standpoint, I found a few interesting things. One, SSDs have gotten WAY faster in read/write/etc. capability. Coming into this new build I was thinking a SSD is a SSD is a SSD, and they're not really that way. Their performances scaled up considerably. How much it matters in the day to day stuff, well, it's not nearly enough to put big weight on a benchmark score. But just from a few years ago, the raw capabilities and the PCI generation changes have bumped this up a whole lot. Two, CPUs, in terms of cost is pretty much linear. Both AMD and Intel play on the same field, and they both lay out their pricing pretty much flat across it with a pretty consistent price per performance gain. The good is you can pick anything, and you're getting a "well valued" gain for the price. A big bonus is this means a good, budget one is still a solid performer. This also means a top end pick doesn't break the bank either. If you're a CAD guy like me, I can go straight to a 14900K and not feel like I'm throwing away money to get the high single thread performance CAD software like SolidWorks needs. Three, GPUs, outside of something like modern ray tracing and scaling for modern monitors, they have lethargically moved. For example, I was coming from a pretty dated 1080, and the majority of modern mid to high end GPUs were a mild 30% to 60% bump. Again, just from a benchmark score standpoint, it took a 4070 Ti to bump me up to a +100% gain. I can buy a 1080 today for like $60. A 4070 TI is a $1000 GPU. And most reasonably valued options are really only bumping me up 10% to maybe 40%. It's...disheartening how bad of a value GPUs have become, and it kind of sucks there aren't work arounds like SLI to buy you time. Worse yet, generational changes also didn't help pricing. A 3000 series GPU isn't even cheap, at all, despite the 4000 series being out. Even the 2000 series stuff is overpriced and without enough of a performance bump to warrant even looking at them. AMD isn't an improvement either. Their cards are all overpriced versus Nvidia for their performance level. People are just demanding too much for what they are. For me, it was mainly a game of picking some of the best I could get, if the pricing wasn't skewed, and try to hunt down values by aiming at the used market where it made good sense, aka GPUs. I reused my peripherals, case, power supply (picked a "big" 750W a few years back that luckily held up to what I need today), and hard drives. The only new stuff needed for the upgrade was motherboard, cpu, cooler, ram, and GPU, although I did pick up one, bigger, new SSD and cloned my main drive over to that. Oh, and I did pick up the Alienware 34" QD-OLED to replace a couple of...uh...old 24" gaming monitors (from 2011). Mine wasn't a $1k target or anything, but it was an interesting exercise and refresher for me of all the new hardware that popped up the last few years. It was interesting to see what sectors have progressed. One thing I didn't do was look back on pricing to see how much the value proposition changed. A lot of the pricing "felt" similar when selecting a current equivalent level product, well, outside of GPUs and to an extent monitors if they're any of the "new tech" kind of stuff. The pricing sticks out like a sore thumb.
Thank you for sharing your observations with us. I don't think many people will read your whole comment, but I did, and I appreciate you taking the time to write this.
This was very informative and unbiased, thanks! Especially the part about GPUs, a lot of the PC building community hails Radeon as their savior for their better performance but you put it best, "they're all overpriced for the value they offer". Hopefully Intel GPUs bring a better price proposition soon.
@@trippinhard250 While AMD might retail their cards at a slight price advantage, the refurbished and used market is not. Contrarily, many seem to ask for a premium and often slotting them slightly worse than each Nvidia counterpart. There's almost always a slightly better Nvidia card at a better value proposition. Or even at best, both sides are nearly equal, and with many games favoring Nvidia cards, it's hard to want to snag an AMD. It'd be a little different if AMD forced the issue and significantly undercut Nvidia, but racing back down to the bottom of pricing competition isn't advantageous for either company. There's likely a bit of a gentlemen's agreement going on that's ensuring both sides are largely staying equal, and both seem entirely content with that proposition. The story might be different in there was significant need for the newer tech. Yes, ray tracing was one need and 4k was another, but unless you're at 4k and are big on ray tracing, older cards still just work and work well even on higher settings in modern titles. There hasn't been a modern game that you just can't play with old cards, and game developers certainly wouldn't want to do this either. I'll still happily buy the best I can get at a reasonable value. Comparing, that'll never be a 4090, lol, but anything below at leasts moves around enough that there's some chance...if you don't mind waiting a little bit. For the pricing structure, it's tough for me to buy anything but used. Funnily, I wish Intel would shove some serious resources into their GPUs and get those up to speed quick. They're the odd man out, but if they can get the right talent in, they could pretty quickly get a decent foothold in the market.
@@Xmvw2X I'm cautiously optimistic about Intel's GPU lineup. Their first attempt is already a real choice to consider for budget builds after all the software fixes. Battlemage has a chance of taking those updates and slamming a much more powerful GPU lineup onto them.
Interesting how the almost everything in the PC part picker build matches every part in my PC perfectly except for the graphics card, storage, and cooler. Looking forward to seeing how it compares to the rest.
Realistically though, having an active community with more options, good discussions/assistance, and overall more activity is more important than whatever random build you get at specific price point. I'd argue this is true for first-time builders as much as veterans. Personally, while I'd have traded a bit more CPU for GPU than the LTT build, I would spend a bit more than the other 2 builds on the other parts like PSU, NVME, etc. It doesn't cost much to go from a low/mid grade component to a mid/upper grade one and not having your power supply or drive die in a few years is worth an extra $100-200 spent across those other components.
Im definitely doing the ltt build with a better gpu this summer. Im glad this video came around ive never built a pc but ive been watching ltt for years and have bought my hp envy as well as my asus tuf monitor based on their recommendations for my use case. Awesome videos guys. Literally the only youtubers ive bought merch from since its so funtional. Their waterbottle keeps my ice, ice cold for 3 days on ends
I wouldn't recommend that memory configuration. 2 sticks of RAM is more stable than 4 and allows for future upgrades if necessary. There's no advantage to going with 4 from the start, other than looks I guess.
Always plan your parts immediately before purchase, as there will always be better sales for parts next year than right now and the best way to spend your money can look very different a few weeks/months from today.
I recently got a new PC, before I ordered it I put the specs I was looking at on Reddit and got some great advice. Changed up a few parts based on the recommendations and couldn’t be happier with the PC I ended up with! So I can’t speak for everyone but I found Reddit a very helpful place to ask
I liked Tom's Hardware to end up with my 4TB 990Pro M.2, but I get I got the most overkill out of all the options. At least it was $60 off when I picked it up a few weeks ago haha.
Ultimately the answer is usually it doesn't really matter. Getting a super fast expensive SSD for regular daily use is like getting a sportscar for getting groceries. If/when directstorage _finally_ becomes more commonly leveraged, this might change a little, but otherwise there is next to no practical difference between a cheap PCIe 3 SSD and a expensive PCIe 5 one.
@@SaltyMaud I ended up getting a PNY XLR8 CS3040 2TB ssd. Believe me, I know you don't need the best of the best. That's why a tier list is useful, so you can see how all the options compare and have something to help you sort between all the options available.
The Lian Li 215 is a great case, highly recommend it! I personally use the O11 Air Mini, but I helped a friend build a pc over video call and it could not have been easier.
Linus, one thing I noticed on PC forums is, that a whole lot of people have absolutely no idea about one very important part of the whole PC: the monitor! I´ve seen loads of posts where recommended PC parts will make a absolute high end overkill monster, but people play on 1080p 60hz monitors, with bad colors! Or some people who have those overkill PC, wonder why the image still looks bad, while their settings are set to 59.94hz. There are many people who have a good budget for a PC, but spend all on thhe computer itself and still use an old crappy monitor in the end. I am convinced that a lot of people would have a way better gaming experience, if they´d use their budget different, go a little lower on the PC specs, but get a quality monitor instead. So, for educational purposes, would it be an idea for you to make a video about monitors and how to get one that fits the computer it will be connected to, so you end up with a balanced setup?
I really like these videos I love the new way of attacking them please make more, they are probably my favorite, and they can be looked at later for if someone is curious how a certain produce had matured over time
I built my workstation with pcpartpicker and some guidance from a friend. Only thing I ended up changing was ram and case because I wanted a good bit of ram and wanted front IO. A case is the part you see most from your PC so you might as well have something that looks good and has the features you want I say
The bigger question is, why do people give you answers that DON'T answer your question in the first place in these forums? Ever noticed that? You post a question and there's this high chance people reply but their reply is not directly answering your question at all even when it's simple.
I don't think the LTT forum PC has a bad approach. It's a decent PC to "hook you up", still serve you well for some time and then if you later decide the performance isn't enough you can swap out the GPU very easily. Stuff like getting a reliable SSD seems stupid until you lose all your data to it and decide to never use a PC again...
I could see that but recommending a dead platform and a GPU without meaningful AI features destroys the upgradability argument, you can get a 4060ti and an AM5 system for the same price that outperforms the LTT forum PC, dont even get me started on RT and DLSS...
But that was an nvme witch would be a total waste unless u transfer big files everyday. And the 32gb of ram for 1080p ? Seems like complete waste again.
Please, in the future videos, use equalizer to remove the unused low end noise, I could hear constant hum on my studio monitors and it was annoying. Always use low cut below 100hz, not no all channels but on the channels with recordings.
@@Probosporone Also it's not the first time, in multiple of their videos i can hear this low end, I guess one of the editors doesn't know that it should be done. I also saw like 2 years ago that they were planning on hiring audio eingineer, but what came of it, I don't know. If they have one, they should be participating in QA
"Please change your content creation setup and practices to accommodate me and me alone because I insist on watching an informational video with excessive hardware and I'm disappointed I didn't have a intense and immersive audio experience."
@@callmeasshole It's an easy change that requires like 7 clicks and 30 seconds at most. You don't need any high end equimpent to hear this, you can hear this on most setups, I just tried it with my cheap earplugs, i hear the same thing.
When i built my computer the best results i got was from discussing it on discord. This way you have many opinions flowing in and you fine tune what suits you best. Some ppl will put a highend mobo instead of psu, and some wont. This way you fine tune and come up with what suits you best
I built my i9-10900KF and Arc A770 in a Fractal Pop case :3 I love love LOVE the optional CD/DVD/Blu-ray Drive at the bottom that keeps it clean! I hope to use this case for a LONG ass time.
Correction in the video, with the LTT Forums Pc: The ram was 4x8 ( I Presume ) not 2x16 and from Corsair, not from GSkill. The PSU is clearly labeled a Seasonic PSU, not a Corsair one.
@@jfernandez76 very strange, as the INDIVIDUAL models themselves matters ALOT. Pretty lackluster video, if it was me i wouldve shattered this build comp.
@@Hetsu.. If they matched the clock and timings for the RAM then the model does not matter. 4 vs 2 sticks decreases your signal eye, which causes system instability. It does not technically affect performance (It will often require you to underclock your memory however to become stable). So for a raw performance comparison, none of their substitutions mattered. Now if you were to overclock the systems at all or cared about long term reliability, Their changes would have a dramatic effect.
I wouldn't expect this to be mentioned in the video but 4chans PC building general is really helpful. (Just don't ask them whether you should buy AMD or Nvidia)
No one who doesn't already know what 4chan is should be going on 4chan. There is a significant population of people on 4chan that should not be allowed near schools.
You should go to all three, and also to the manufacturer specs and any other site you find, and cross-reference them. That way you can detect any BS or errors from any one source.
As a person who has helped dozens if not hundreds of people on r/buildapc subreddit, it's simply not sustainable to also handle build requests. Not enough people for too many requests, that usually are similar to each other. It is nice to sometimes be DMed even several months into the future and be thanked for help though. I'd encourage everyone here to help out from time to time.
I actually really like the LTT forum's approach to a PC. Getting a better GPU isn't hard to down the line, especially if you wait and get a good deal on a used one, and going all out on the other components first means that it'll have a longer lifespan overall.
I could kind of understand the forums idea of picking a 5700x as it's the final generation of that socket and the 7600 will definitely get you through games currently and I would rather have a more significant GPU upgrade down the road then A minor CPU upgrade or both a full CPU and motherboard upgrade. This is also hoping that the GPU market will hopefully have a decent shift in value in the coming years.
@@aidanocallaghan169 I almost think that getting a 5600x is a bad take especially if you are purchasing an entire new build around it. You really only have core count and 3d memory to upgrade to with no more generational improvements. I would rather spend 30 dollars more for a 5700x and run that for 2-3 years than a 5600x and be tempted to dump another 250 dollars for a 5800x3d everytime i hear a sale.
@@aidanocallaghan169I agree... Buying new am4 at this point is short sighted in my eyes. Used AM4 is a different story, some great deals to be had there.
Removing the pc part list posts is insane, when I was building my computer years ago the main bapc sub was so fast and helpful. Thank you for making this, BethesdaBoy!
I don't really understand the point of this video. I mean, you guys could have just picked a different users pc build list on your forums that was better than the one you picked. Its not like you only had ONE option to pick from on LTT forum. I think it would have been smarter and more genuine to let someone who knew nothing about PC's pick from the forums, otherwise you could've just pick for whatever result you wanted. Just my thoughts, Much love for what you guys do.
Interesting that the AVG and 1% on Halo seemed closer together than for the other games, across all the builds. That could be an interesting metric, the average variance between AVG and 1%, there's probably a statistical name for that comparison...
Compared to these my build suggestions as of late are, lets say, more eclectic. I've been giving a lot of love to LGA 3647 and 2066 with Comet Lake and especially skylake xeons doing their EOL price nosedive and 16gb sticks of ECC DDR4 doing the same. The used workstation market is alive and well for the willing
Hi Randar, which build would you recommend to get comparable results. I'm looking to build something starting from a workstation as I like the understated aestetic.:)
@@MultiBrownstar Hmm I thought I posted a reply earlier... in any case my build is as follows: a xeon W-3235, 96gb of DDR4 ecc (6x16gb), and a 3080. It's not going to provide you with the full CPU performance of these machines in single threaded loads your multithreaded load is helped by having 12 cores, though your GPU performance would be close to on par with the best in the vid, and your memory throughput is amazing. The CPU performance isn't really gonna hold you back all that much though, you can think of it like a 10850k with a little less clock speed and 2 more cores. If you followed my spec list with ebay prices at time of writing you'd come in at about $1000 if you started with a barebones HP Z6 G4 workstation and added on from there. That also includes the fact I have a 1tb NVME as a main drive and 2x2tb SATA SSDs for bulk storage (after all a modern steam library should have more than 1tb and I'd argue even more than 2). I like building on workstation platforms because I am wholly unable to deal with instability. I actually transitioned from the technically better for gaming i9 10850k to this system because of crashing issues, so I opted to leave just a bit of per core CPU performance behind for that ECC memory and a lower possibly more stable clock speed. Plus I'm looking to rework my networking setup as the ISP I work for transitions to higher than gig speeds and now I've got the extra PCIE lanes to add a 10g SFP NIC direct to CPU, of course you could use them for whatever or not at all. Capture cards, more NVME, a good sound card, USB expansion, whatever you like really.
@@tarkitarker0815 you're free to think that if you wish, however I will note that building a desktop has always been making a more powerful machine at the cost of a higher electricity bill, so if that's your opinion you should probably be aiming for the docked laptop market. But if we're talking about getting the most performance for your dollar there's more to consider than simply "X product has a higher tdp rating". For one thing that's a full load thermal design spec, if I take that vs say a 5600x then I have twice as many cores, but if my load is halved and I'm using 6 cores as opposed to the full 12 then my power consumption will be roughly halved at 90w, but I have the ability to more quickly handle loads that are greater than 6 cores. I have greater ability to multitask not only due to my doubled core count but my massive increase in memory bandwidth, going from 2 channels at say 3200, to 6 channels at 2133, additionally ECC memory provides me better stability than I had on my prior Ryzen and Intel systems. I also have the freedom, as stated for more add on cards to use as I wish with the additional pcie lanes afforded by a pro system, 48 raw with no less than 3 multiplexers in my case, with 4 22110 nvme slots. So no it isn't nonsensical to use a Cascade Lake Xeon, it fits my preferences better than a mid range consumer AMD chip that would cost me more to put together than picking up an old Xeon workstation. It's the 3rd 3647 Xeon operating in my apartment, an additional 2 in a server used for game server, video, and audio hosting. You know what uses way more power than a pair of 20 core Xeon golds? Having an old refrigerator.
@@RandarTheBarbarian dude its really easy, amd at the same ipc as intel uses less than half the wattage for high core counts up until 11th gen. buying used xeons isnt the way unless you live in india, or china, or next to a supplier in the usa. we are a gaming channel here, no one is going to need more than 8 cores with ht unless he does business, and then he wants new bc new means faster working than used anyway.
It may exist and I just haven't seen it, but would you guys be willing to make a guide for how to configure and benchmark your gear? Things like setting XMP, how you guys configure Afterburner, etc.
For the reddit build, you said you got a 16GB kit, then promptly show a 32GB kit. Which is it? (3:24) The LTT parts, you say Corsair power supply, then show a Seasonic logo. (10:55)
They were using the closest equivalent parts they had in the warehouse at the time -- I don't think this video would justify sending Elijah and Colin around to Best Buy to get something that might not be used again.
My build is actually more in line with the LTT one since my focus was on building something future proofed and upgrade the GPU once the 5000 series starts rolling out. I actually think that approach is a good idea for a lot of first-time builders, even if it means lower performance in the meantime.
Fastest way on Reddit is to post obviously wrong information and someone will then actually give you the correct answer in the form on sarcasm within about 25 seconds
That works for any part of internet. People would correct you even in pornhub comments
@@MrDarkSidiussometimes PH comments just straightforward correcting your errors without sarcasm
Exactly! I spend most of my time on r/buildapc correcting obviously mismatched builds
@@HafifSyukra those comments can be shockingly wholesome
...allegedly
They used to say this about getting help on IRC.
Not being able to talk about building a PC in the PC building Reddit is the most Reddit thing ever.
This is what happens when you have power tripping babies who are the only ones so desperate for power they moderate for free.
When everyone has the same question, it gets kinda stupid to keep answering them when there are comprehensive guides and FAQs.
@@hoseja I smell mod on you
@@hoseja So why not just let the community down vote those posts instead of ban them?
@@hosejagod forbid NORMAL people want advice from internet dwellers
Think this may be a future project to add to the forums. A parts list for set price points that updates with currently available prices. You guys give great parts advice in terms of when the product launches, but that's a tiny segment of the market for people building PCs. Those that buy products after everything has been fully reviewed so they can make an informed decision (like you advise) deserve to get good advice too.
There is a magazine in the UK called Customer PC that have had that same segment for as long as I can remember. They have like 4-5 systems depending on budget, then as they review things they swap parts in and out!
@linuxsux41 I am deeply offended by your username. But I agree with the content of your comment.
Kbmod used to do this back in the day, but had to keep slashing lower tiers as prices kept going up. At one point an "enthusiast" build was $500 lol
1: good idea, 2: I use arch so I am offended.
@@MisterZig0yo same thing
While they were only considering perfomance, I think recomemding a case thats easier to build in is totally valid. If someone is asking for parts suggestions, then its likely they dont have a ton of computer building experience (or at least arent up to date with current parts). Seems reasonable to me to suggest something that would be easier to work in if the person you're recommending to has limited experience.
..but it's a thing you do once. If it takes a bit more time, does it really matter.
@@jamakasis18thats exactly it. Very few people would tear down their their first try at building and fix it. So if building sucked, you now have a rats nest of cables collecting dust and terrible air flow until their second pc where they learned their lesson and buy a decent case or worse, hated it so much that they buy prebuilt now
@@toolbaggers what a more accurate analogy would be, using a regular Phillips head driver on a Japanese Industry standard Phillips screw. It'll get the job done, but you won't be as keen to remove it when you risk messing up the screw head.
Good airflow as well, a bad flowing case can cost you a lot of FPS
That excuse doesn't make sense at all. It's not like you need to build in that case every two weeks or so lol
I would argue PcPartPicker's forums is more deserving of the number one spot because having the dialogue and response to make a brand new or first time PC builder feel like they're not getting in over their head is the quality of life that encourages a person to feel comfortable out of their comfort zone. Good job you guys~~~
All of these platforms offer dialogue and responses to your given build, and that can be a good or bad thing depending on who responds lol. Like the guy on PCPP giving heavy misinformation about using windows without activating it and getting cheap keys.
The PcPartpicker forum has it's up's and downs some of them being extremely fast response time and a lot of very competent individuals. However from first hand experience there are also a lot of unqualified people posting their suggestions in there so people that are new to pc building have to be aware that going with the first listing you see isn't a good idea without doing some research online. Still it's one of the best forums regarding advise on any things PC hardware and the people behind the scenes seem to be pretty motivated to improve their Website.
PCPartPicker was huge back in the day when GPUs weren't $2000+. Ever since they removed the Off-Topic section a lot of dedicated members have left and gone inactive.
I’ve been building a pc for the first time and pc part picker has been so helpful
@@pcmasterracetechgod5660 That's against their guidelines as well
LTT forums has never let me down except for that one guy who recommended I go with GTX 1080 SLI.
That’s certainly a choice
It was Luke himself, wasn't it.
Sounds like someone had a pair of 1080s going up on eBay...
Hey sorry bout that. I was young and dumb.
@@FreeTimeFeats💀
I'm part of the active pcpp community and I'm so happy this vid was made! JDH is a cool guy and I'm glad he was featured
I suppose this emphasizes the importance of shopping around before building. Ask around in multiple communities, so you have access to the widest amount of people who might have ideas on what to buy, and then pit them against each other. Each rig had redeeming qualities.
Huge props to LTT for being transparent about the LTT forums not being up to snuff for this video. They didn't seem biased in any way, and I respect that. Loved the concept for this and was well done!
Dont think they have an incentive to be biased right?
Afaik there isnt advertising nor paid tiers in the forum, so its just a costsink
They don’t have an incentive because they don’t really control the forums in a way, it’s like it’s own separate entity
Edit: that has their beautiful name on it.
@@kernelpanic2887Are you having a stronk? Jeez dude, hope you're ok.
@@DoubsGaming I just suck at typing on phones xD
I think after what happened with the whole reviewing our sponsors thing they're incentivized to make LTT forums look bad lol
It's important to note, that reddit had a list, that appears to be made and maintained by the whole community, while PCPartPicker and ltt forum had individuals, who suggested their own views on the best pc. They say two minds are better than one. And the reddit hive-mind is certainly effective.
That list surely has the most *consistent* quality you could get across those three options.
That list ist existing basically in every Forum here in Germany.
You can either just use an example from the list or get an individual configuration recommend from individual users.
I think the configuration from LTT forum ist not that bad.
Most users will just switch the GPU in few years und you can actually do this if you have a solid CPU/Mainboard/PSU/Case.
However: You shouldn´t get that low with GPU Performance in this price range.
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Depends. Current games 60fps target or e-sport 180fps target? Do you do anything else apart from gaming on that PC? Especially at the entry level, +30 bucks for CPU and +15 bucks for the mainboard can offer a lot of QoL for general usage.
Suggesting a bronze-level PSU would've immediately disqualified it in my book. But that's just me.
I think the ass hat mods should have automatically disgualifed reddit
Side note: I really like the changes to how you change corrections like price changes. Good job.
Some notes to the editor or QA:
At 10:40 for the LTT Forum build you mention 32GB of memory, showing in the background clearly 4 RAM sticks, while the pop-up reads: 2x 16GB. Something must've gone wrong here.
At 12:02 when Linus talks about the case choices, he lists them in this order: Fractal, Phanteks, Lian Li, corresponding to LTT Forum, Reddit and PC PartPicker, and the cases are flown in in the edit from left to right in that order. In the background of him talking the builds were ordered like this from left to right: Reddit, PCPartPicker, LTT Forum. Thus, I think it would've been cleaner if you showed first the LTT Forum/Fractal Case on the right (like he says it first), then the Phanteks case on the left (his second mention), still showing Linus gesticulating and talking in the middle, before you then show the third case he talks about in the middle (PCPartPicker/Lian Li). This way, not only would the conitnuum of the order of the builds be conserved, the viewer also gets the chance to follow Linus' performance the longest. Just my 2 cents :)
Otherwise, cool video! Great to see what cool suggestions the communities came up with.
Linus also mentions how the LTT build has a Seasonic PSU but the graphic shows that it has a Corsair one instead
They've gone back to daily uploads. It's clear the editors have less time to do videos now, thus mistakes going through (even though they have like multiple people going through triple checking it)@@kimbroslic3
I believe the pop-up may be what was recommended on the forum, and what was in the case was what they actually used, as he said earlier that they used what they had on hand rather than buying hardware. Could also just be a mistake though
This is very late but Linus did mention at the beginning of the video they used some component counterparts
I’m surprised Reddit didn’t just skip straight to suggesting Linus get a divorce, because that’s their typical solution to everything.
As someone who has posted about a relationship on r/AITA, I can concur. Although tbf that was an abusive relationship, so they were right that time. After posting there I subbed and read the posts that came up in my feed. A lot of them were immediately went to a nuclear solution.
@@ians7184 in most of the cases, AITA is like a bucket of crabs..they never want you to get out of the bucket, and so they'll manipulate you back to the bucket, which in this case is being single and sour
@@ians7184r/femaledatingstrategy and r/datingadvice and others are way worse than r/aita
But to be fair all of them mostly just has 99% fake posts that are fantasy to the author lol
I can practically hear the snarky "I suggest OP get a divorce"
and lawyer up
The results match my experience when I tried to build my first PC earlier this year. PC Part Picker's forums are genuinely more enthusiastic and helpful than I expected, and while LTT's tier lists were really helpful my final build ended up (for my use cases in FEA/CAD) ended up much closer to the PC Part Picker recommendations than the LTT forum ones. No shame to either one though - I appreciated all the advice on both!
This is something that should be revisited. I’d like to see a few videos on this to give more people a chance to chime in to give each community more data points.
One of my favorite websites to use as a reasonable starting point for choosing parts is logical increments. The website is constantly updated as new hardware comes out and prices change. It also provides a ton of price ranges and the possible parts you can pair together. While there's more to it than that, it gives you an idea of what parts you should be comparing for a given price range. When a friend requests my help for building a PC, that website is the the first place I go to get an idea of the current hardware landscape.
I recently had to replace my PC, and I chose the Fractal Pop XL Silent case to build it in. I didn't regret it. Very nice case, and it came with 4 fans preinstalled which for about £90 is a steal.
I don't know if it's still available but for SFF PC's I absolutely LOVE the Node 202 from Fractal. It's literally one of the easiest cases to build in that I own and it's about the size of a ps5.
Okay and? Unless you have built in cases its being compared too, your input is useless.
@ILikeToEatCatz I am explaining why build advice is such a terrible topic, there are no reference points. Especially as unless your a PC builder, you dont build 2 similar pc's or test quality and instead have only individual anecdotal pieces of evidence.
Small form computers and itx builds? SFF network and SFF reddit. The sheer amount of resources, custom brackets or. Fan cooling, or just endless advice is beyond amazing for all your small form factor computer needs.
Depending on the computer it's often better to just go to the large niche community who spends their time doing nothing but that computer build niche
What I love about sff the most is the community driven to the extremes on both ends of size and performance. Although I must admit that in my personal opinion everything above 15L shouldn’t be counted as SFF
@@Definitely_Melnyx 15L is borderline MFF but sadly SFF
@@liquidhydrationand then there's the SFF community calling the NR200 small form factor...
SFF? You should really use full names in an environment about newcomers to a space trying to find resources for building PCs. If they are aware of what SFF is, they probably aren't the main demographic for this video.
@@LoganChristiansonI have to agree, especially given the fact that a lot of LTT viewers aren't even native english speakers, which enhance the difficulty to understand abbreviations.
Corrections for the LTT Build:
At 10:40, it should be the Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (4x8) DDR4-3600 CL 18
At 10:57, it appears to be the Seasonic FOCUS GX-750, but I'm not entirely sure on that one.
At 11:03, the card is a Sapphire PULSE RX 7600 (still a 2X card)
How the heck did they miss that in editing yet again LTT is making mistakes that shouldn’t happen
At 3:27, they explain that the parts aren't exact but made an effort to be comparable.
@@johnathangreer2472 but that was about that specific build , this mistake was way off.. dont really care but if they are going for correct representation then mistakes were made in editing obviously..
How can you watch that back in editing and give it the thumbs up when there's clearly 4 sticks of ram and not even the same manufacturer.. Dang bro
@@wrangler2155 No, it's for all the builds. He says "Now you might notice for our test builds today, that we didn't necessarily worry too much about having the exact same parts, but we did make an effort to ensure that our results would be comparable.
Reddit always reminds me of those experiments that show how any one individual is all but certain to not correctly guess how many Jelly Beans are in a jar, but if you ask 100 people and average their answers that will usually be pretty close to the correct number.
Any one individual answer/comment has a high likelihood of being incorrect, but when almost all the comments consistently say the same thing it's usually worth looking into it, if for no other reason than to verify
I use PC Part Picker to check on compatibility on possible builds, and forums for more specific questions like "what's the best GPU that I can pair with my CPU?"
Doesn't always pick up on things like cooler RAM clearance or GPU fitment, insufficient fan headers, or needing a certain BIOS version to support the RAM kit you're going for. It's good to have someone with more familiarity with possible pitfalls to doublecheck everything even if PC part picker gives you the all ok.
This is the way. Bash all you want but the not spoon feeding policy on r/buildapc gets rid of lot of spam.
@@PBMS123 Cooler incompatibility with tall RAM heatspreaders can still be a fairly common problem. NH-D15 is still a very popular cooler and often you just can't fit tall RAM under it without having to relocate or remove the second fan, and not all cases have the width to be able to just scoot the fan up the tower to make room for the RAM underneath and still be able to close the side panel. It's these little things you don't pick up without knowing to look for them.
I love that they still have old part in their database. It's really useful when doing small upgrades too
Well, people will give you very different and often wrong info on any forum. Especially "which CPU with which GPU". People have a very skewed idea of how important CPU is due to CPU benchmarks/reviews where they typically run games at 1080p low settings to purposefully create a bottleneck. When in reality, the GPU will almost always be the bottleneck and CPU really won't matter
PC Part Picker has never done me wrong.
Amazing site, i built a beast music production PC thanks to people there.
Their advertised builds are usually pretty terrible but I never looked at the forums before though
@@saricubra2867did they get you a motherboard with a dedicated usb circuit though. audio on pc is noisy af
Best place to go to build a pc IMO
@@Stavroization yeah the build guide PCs are horrible value but the forums are decent
For me it seemed like the last one is suuuuper solid if you're planning on upgrading the gpu within the year or so since the GPU won't be as bottlenecked by other components, but that still is sacrificing performance in the present.
Agreed. The larger amount of ram, faster cpu, plus a better/faster nvme, etc gives you more ‘general use’ performance. The video card can easily be upgraded within the next year. For a ‘noob’ computer user, I think the LTT system is the better buy.
5600 and 5700x are about the same in games, the 32gb of ram could come into play I guess but it's very unlikely.
Wow last gen cpu, lets wait a year and than put 4090 there
I have a old system and did it the other way around. Bought a 3060 (and a new screen) on sale and I will be upgrading the rest within a year or two. So makes sense if you want a beast pc but are on a budget.
I'd argue for trying to squeeze a Ryzen 7000 series in as the ram prices are somewhat similar AND it will have longer support (or so AMD says). 12/13/14th gen Intel is theoretically "done" as Intel usually moves to a new socket type. But a NEW PC with 5000 series? Can't really recommend that anymore :(
Fantastic breakdown of the different builds! It's really insightful to see the diverse parts each of these platforms recommended. Even though there wasn't a clear "best" configuration, it's testament to how each config produced excellent performance in different ways! Valuable lesson learned: don't skimp on GPU for gaming rigs! Thanks for the practical guide. I'll definitely be referring back to this when building my next PC!
You didn't know you need a good gpu for games? 😅
At 3:23 Linus says that it's a 16GB kit but the on screen graphic displays it as a 32GB kit
also wrong ram name hah
I thought they were fixing their errors :(
@@thefricktv1786i mean it’s been 15 mins since upload im sure they will see the issue soon and correct it
They also did the same thing for the LTT forum build and said the power supply was a Corsair RM750 while showing a Seasonic power supply 10:52
Later in the vid they have a graphic for the lot builds ram and it’s also wrong. 2x16 when it’s obviously 4xsomething
I will say, for Reddit, asking for a complete build like they did here isn't where /r/buildapc shines. However, if you post a complete build and ask for thoughts/advice, you will usually get engagement. Expecially if you're like "here's my build. I want to play Starfield on 1080. Is anything really bottlenecking me here." And I think you'd get good responses in the comments.
So it's sort of a square peg round hole issue for how they chose to use /r/buildapc
I haven't used reddit for a while but I remember r/pcbuild being pretty good and also a subreddit specifically for spoon-feeding builds
@@sunbleachedangel that was a long time ago. People who needed help fixing their existing builds grew and it is now more of a tech support sub for people building PCs. It is for the people who want to engage and learn building PCs now. Not for spoon feeding people who come and then leave and never come back.
that sub is terrible and irresponsible.
Yeah buildapc never failed me in the past 10 years
And you don't even need to post a complete build. If you have an idea for some parts and need advice for the rest, while also giving budget and use case, you will usually get really helpful comments and maybe even discussions about the parts going. Sometimes it turns to really funny comment chains as well.
In all honesty, /r/buildapc is imho one of the top communities on reddit.
Nice vid! It’s hard to a newbie pull the trigger and give a good info to them.
On the LTT build says that is 32GB of Ripjaws but are corsair on the build, on the PSU said it’s Corsair but on the video we saw a Seasonic. (The ram could impact the performace)
Would love to see this format again but for troubleshooting help!
Hi LTT, Love the video but there are a few areas I believe that could lead to some confusion.
1. the LLT requirements at 1:48 states "operating system required:Windows", however not all the builds chosen by LLT include an OS therefore not meeting LTT's own requirements (leading to difference in recommendations such as PC part picker at 6:14) nor staying within budget. This also skews the cost vs performance vs helpfulness of said forums.
2. Minor scripting error at 3:23 when Linus states "16GB kit". On screen information and build both state 32GB
3. Possible discrepancy with Reddit Build at 4:07. The screenshot shown has two storage devices in the cart/build (2x WD Green 1TB NVME). This is different than the Single Titanium Micro TH4985 1TB listed in the video description and the Reddit buyers guide. Without knowing what build was actually purchased, this again could skew cost vs performance vs helpfulness.
4. Aligned with #3 above, at 6:54 Linus mentions the PCPartPicker build has "half as much storage at 1TB". The storage for the Reddit built was never shown nor discussed in the video. Also based on #3 above there is no factual proof that the PCPartPicker is indeed half the storage, as if the listed Titanium Micro was purchased based on the video description then it would be the same not half.
5. Issue at 6:28. LTT removed the copy of windows although stating Windows and OS was required, see #1 above. Also the build was not chosen as it was quite under budget. However, the LLT forum build at 10:24 is also $100(10%) under budget while stating at 12:34 that all the systems are "the exact same amount". A 10% difference in price is a pretty significant margin of error/delta in cost when LLT chose the build, as that can allow for a tier bump on a CPU or GPU (would explain the lower performance).
Recommendations:
1. A smaller margin of error/delta in costs when choosing builds.
2. Validation checks that the chosen builds meeting the outlined requirements.
3. Provide better transparency by including the full purchase order of parts and costs to the viewership, to better compare cost vs performance vs helpfulness of the forums to make more informed decisions.
And another one, the LTT-build is listed as 2x16GB but the footage shows 4 RAM sticks of unknown amounts
Maybe this video was made before the LTT controversy about inaccuracies in the video.
The 3600MT kit in the PCPartPicker build is also shown at 8m04s to appear to be running at only 2666MT, which will have an impact on the Starfield performance being shown.
Also noticed that while panning over the "Corsair" PSU at approx 10:56 the brand prominently says Seasonic.
Would be good to revisit this one with $500 more and see which one is better for upgrading.
This is not a bot comment but damn that Antlion ad spot was really well written and convincing. Still have my OG mod mic from back in the day
that Phanteks case took me a month to find, but it hit every single thing I wanted. Affordable, pretty well made, and the airflow is excellent. Honestly, best case I've built in for the size. My previous case was a Corsair 200R, which at the time was nice, but is so massive and just didn't make sense to keep using for a new build.
Even funnier on the second build, the Lian Li case was my higher priced option over the Phanteks, which the bigger front fans would be nice, but really not necessary. I would say you're unlikely to see a huge difference in heat. The front mesh panels on both are the big reason. They also grab a lot of dust without causing air flow issues. And the 6800 is an excellent GPU from what I am seeing, and if I'm upgrading from the 6600, it's a solid choice.
On the 3rd option, I think they set the person building it up for a better long term upgrade with the GPU. I opted for a much higher end build on my own system and only sacrificed the GPU since prices were insane at the time, and the 6600 was the best bang for the buck at the time.
im still running with a corsair 200R from like 2011 haha
@@RedleafUK It's a great case, just lacks some modern stuff on the front panel, and takes up a ton of room. I keep it on the floor so it was raised up on a stand with castors. My desk came with a flat wood stand and a small case fit much better. I still do not have a use for the 200R, which is a shame since it was reliably great for a decade.
Love to see the regular 6800 there. These cards are tremendously good for their price
yeah then you play Alan Wake 2 and cry
@@Freestyle80with any GPU less than 4090 it’s crying. I am also using the 6800, it’s a rock solid card.
@@Freestyle80 ?
@@xoniq-vr lol no, you people just love to discount ray tracing and dlss/framegen because you dont like Nvidia
like it or not the tech is being used go really good effect now
@@Freestyle80 don't play alan wake 2 then, honestly speaking, that game is not that graphical stunning to be that heavy to run, just bad optimization, that's all
Nice to see the builds, and I agree with the results. I think Reddit and PCPartPicker just have more community to overall pull from to get the results. Also nice seeing Antlion Mod Mic buying some space. Still have my mic I bought when I purchased my first set of PC parts. It's stiill working wonderfully with my Audio-technica headphones.
Glad yours is still working. My group of friends have gone through enough mod mics that we've mostly changed over to podcast-lite condenser mics on boom arms. Wildly better price/performance than what Antlion asks and no need to mess with an extra cable going to your headphones.
I changed my PC around a month ago and got myself to build it on my own for the first time.
I asked people on Reddit and someone gave me a PcPartPicker list, which I then used as a basis to swap components for ones fitting my budget. Eventually, I went on LTT forums to ask about mores specific advice. All in all, all 3 have been very helpful and this new PC is amazing. Kudos to the people on all three websites.
Glad they brought back the intro music part.
For the LTT forum build the ram showed 2x16gb at the top but installed in the computer was actually 4x8, I assume
The brands were mixed up as well
QC going down again. ☠️ who’s gonna call GN
Check 3:30 he said their builds wouldn't be exact part matches.
Seems you didn't watch the video LMFAO.
They also said for the reddit 16gb kit then show 32gb in the graphic
I would love a small hint to how much power a build uses. Just a few seconds saying an average or something.
Not just for this video, but for future builds.
Best thing to assume when thinking about power usage - assume the PSU is using its maximum all the time, just in case it ever is. That way you wont accidentally trip the fuse box.
@@itskdog I imagine he was asking about power usage in regards to how much it'll cost (which is a big concern in Europe as the more efficient but pricier build can pay for itself within a year), not whether it'll overpower the network.
PC part picker has a power usage calculator.
an 5800x3d at full power and an rx 6800 also full throttle with 2 nvmes and 2 ssd´s plus one hard drive dont even stress my 500w bq pure power 11 all ridiculously overspecced
Glad he mentioned the upgrade path.
I found a RUclipsr that did builds. He had a link to his site, & it had specs. For my first build, I just altered what he had slightly & made sure it was compatible with the motherboard I chose.
This was great. Also oddly reminds me that my setup similar to Reddits means that maybe I dont have to rush for Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals because the difference in fps vs money going out isn't great enough for me. Products aren't really blowing each other out of the water anymore and it's really just smaller and the data does say smaller..victories.
MINUS Nvidias tech with DLSS and Ray Tracing. I do love RT and wouldn't mind turning those settings to the max and still having playable fps
There's also an issue for the RAM in the LTT forum section: text says 2 x 16, but the B roll shows four sticks of memory
In the beginning of the video he says he not using the same parts but using parts that have the same specs.
@@bobberry1463Yeah but 4 channel does not have the same performance as dual channel, maybe negligible for this test, but still.
Also at 3:26 they say they got a 16gb kit for the Reddit PC but the overlay text says 32gb🤷♂️
idk it really doesnt matter in this case@@littlefrank90
AM4 doesnt support quad channel RAM. So it unlikely makes any difference with stock settings.@@littlefrank90
I got something of a best of both worlds from these builds with 6800 and 5700x in a lian li 215 case. Picked and built myself and was also considering a 4070. Pretty surprised they're this close in performance, considering i spent half the price on 6800, lol
Good choice then lol
Surprised that Tom's Hardware forum didn't show up. They're a pretty decent bunch that helped me put together my computer's parts list.
toms hardware would prob shit on all those, and mind you ltt is prob shadowpaid by those contestants.
I bought a used HP Omen desktop, 11900K, 3080Ti, 32GB RAM, 1TB NVMe for $900, it thermal throttled a lot, spent the extra $100 to put all those in a used Corsair 4000D with 6xML120 a Noctua D-15, everything runs cool and quiet. BTW, those HP Omen 25L/30L/45L systems have standard motherboards and CoolerMaster Gold PSU, so case swap is a breeze and is a such a good deal.
That's very smart!
I wonder if LTT will ever make updated version of the "as fast as possible' series. Would be cool to see those with the better production quality and whatnots.
That's just Techquickie, they're still making them.
Wow! I was so happy to see the intro coming back in this video!
I just built my new PC today, and then this video comes out, lol.
I...took a different approach. Spreadsheets! Well, I basically did a combination of hardware benchmark ratings and pricing, and determined how the value laid out. I also compared these benchmarks to the PC I was replacing, just a 3 year old pretty much top of the line PC.
From a purely benchmark standpoint, I found a few interesting things.
One, SSDs have gotten WAY faster in read/write/etc. capability. Coming into this new build I was thinking a SSD is a SSD is a SSD, and they're not really that way. Their performances scaled up considerably. How much it matters in the day to day stuff, well, it's not nearly enough to put big weight on a benchmark score. But just from a few years ago, the raw capabilities and the PCI generation changes have bumped this up a whole lot.
Two, CPUs, in terms of cost is pretty much linear. Both AMD and Intel play on the same field, and they both lay out their pricing pretty much flat across it with a pretty consistent price per performance gain. The good is you can pick anything, and you're getting a "well valued" gain for the price. A big bonus is this means a good, budget one is still a solid performer. This also means a top end pick doesn't break the bank either. If you're a CAD guy like me, I can go straight to a 14900K and not feel like I'm throwing away money to get the high single thread performance CAD software like SolidWorks needs.
Three, GPUs, outside of something like modern ray tracing and scaling for modern monitors, they have lethargically moved. For example, I was coming from a pretty dated 1080, and the majority of modern mid to high end GPUs were a mild 30% to 60% bump. Again, just from a benchmark score standpoint, it took a 4070 Ti to bump me up to a +100% gain. I can buy a 1080 today for like $60. A 4070 TI is a $1000 GPU. And most reasonably valued options are really only bumping me up 10% to maybe 40%. It's...disheartening how bad of a value GPUs have become, and it kind of sucks there aren't work arounds like SLI to buy you time. Worse yet, generational changes also didn't help pricing. A 3000 series GPU isn't even cheap, at all, despite the 4000 series being out. Even the 2000 series stuff is overpriced and without enough of a performance bump to warrant even looking at them. AMD isn't an improvement either. Their cards are all overpriced versus Nvidia for their performance level. People are just demanding too much for what they are.
For me, it was mainly a game of picking some of the best I could get, if the pricing wasn't skewed, and try to hunt down values by aiming at the used market where it made good sense, aka GPUs. I reused my peripherals, case, power supply (picked a "big" 750W a few years back that luckily held up to what I need today), and hard drives. The only new stuff needed for the upgrade was motherboard, cpu, cooler, ram, and GPU, although I did pick up one, bigger, new SSD and cloned my main drive over to that. Oh, and I did pick up the Alienware 34" QD-OLED to replace a couple of...uh...old 24" gaming monitors (from 2011).
Mine wasn't a $1k target or anything, but it was an interesting exercise and refresher for me of all the new hardware that popped up the last few years. It was interesting to see what sectors have progressed. One thing I didn't do was look back on pricing to see how much the value proposition changed. A lot of the pricing "felt" similar when selecting a current equivalent level product, well, outside of GPUs and to an extent monitors if they're any of the "new tech" kind of stuff. The pricing sticks out like a sore thumb.
Thank you for sharing your observations with us. I don't think many people will read your whole comment, but I did, and I appreciate you taking the time to write this.
This was very informative and unbiased, thanks! Especially the part about GPUs, a lot of the PC building community hails Radeon as their savior for their better performance but you put it best, "they're all overpriced for the value they offer". Hopefully Intel GPUs bring a better price proposition soon.
@@trippinhard250 While AMD might retail their cards at a slight price advantage, the refurbished and used market is not. Contrarily, many seem to ask for a premium and often slotting them slightly worse than each Nvidia counterpart. There's almost always a slightly better Nvidia card at a better value proposition. Or even at best, both sides are nearly equal, and with many games favoring Nvidia cards, it's hard to want to snag an AMD. It'd be a little different if AMD forced the issue and significantly undercut Nvidia, but racing back down to the bottom of pricing competition isn't advantageous for either company. There's likely a bit of a gentlemen's agreement going on that's ensuring both sides are largely staying equal, and both seem entirely content with that proposition. The story might be different in there was significant need for the newer tech. Yes, ray tracing was one need and 4k was another, but unless you're at 4k and are big on ray tracing, older cards still just work and work well even on higher settings in modern titles. There hasn't been a modern game that you just can't play with old cards, and game developers certainly wouldn't want to do this either. I'll still happily buy the best I can get at a reasonable value. Comparing, that'll never be a 4090, lol, but anything below at leasts moves around enough that there's some chance...if you don't mind waiting a little bit. For the pricing structure, it's tough for me to buy anything but used.
Funnily, I wish Intel would shove some serious resources into their GPUs and get those up to speed quick. They're the odd man out, but if they can get the right talent in, they could pretty quickly get a decent foothold in the market.
@@Xmvw2X I'm cautiously optimistic about Intel's GPU lineup. Their first attempt is already a real choice to consider for budget builds after all the software fixes. Battlemage has a chance of taking those updates and slamming a much more powerful GPU lineup onto them.
Interesting how the almost everything in the PC part picker build matches every part in my PC perfectly except for the graphics card, storage, and cooler. Looking forward to seeing how it compares to the rest.
Realistically though, having an active community with more options, good discussions/assistance, and overall more activity is more important than whatever random build you get at specific price point. I'd argue this is true for first-time builders as much as veterans. Personally, while I'd have traded a bit more CPU for GPU than the LTT build, I would spend a bit more than the other 2 builds on the other parts like PSU, NVME, etc. It doesn't cost much to go from a low/mid grade component to a mid/upper grade one and not having your power supply or drive die in a few years is worth an extra $100-200 spent across those other components.
The Reddit build was basically a spreadsheet on PCpartspicker so at the end it was a choice between PCP and PCP...
Im definitely doing the ltt build with a better gpu this summer. Im glad this video came around ive never built a pc but ive been watching ltt for years and have bought my hp envy as well as my asus tuf monitor based on their recommendations for my use case. Awesome videos guys. Literally the only youtubers ive bought merch from since its so funtional. Their waterbottle keeps my ice, ice cold for 3 days on ends
I wouldn't recommend that memory configuration. 2 sticks of RAM is more stable than 4 and allows for future upgrades if necessary. There's no advantage to going with 4 from the start, other than looks I guess.
Btw makes no sense to plan now the build for next summer :)
Always plan your parts immediately before purchase, as there will always be better sales for parts next year than right now and the best way to spend your money can look very different a few weeks/months from today.
@tehhiggins ok thank you.
I recently got a new PC, before I ordered it I put the specs I was looking at on Reddit and got some great advice. Changed up a few parts based on the recommendations and couldn’t be happier with the PC I ended up with!
So I can’t speak for everyone but I found Reddit a very helpful place to ask
Might help if you mentioned which sub?
@@bipbop3121probably r/buildapc
The ssd tier list in the ltt forum is goated
I liked Tom's Hardware to end up with my 4TB 990Pro M.2, but I get I got the most overkill out of all the options. At least it was $60 off when I picked it up a few weeks ago haha.
Ultimately the answer is usually it doesn't really matter. Getting a super fast expensive SSD for regular daily use is like getting a sportscar for getting groceries. If/when directstorage _finally_ becomes more commonly leveraged, this might change a little, but otherwise there is next to no practical difference between a cheap PCIe 3 SSD and a expensive PCIe 5 one.
@@SaltyMaud unless that cheap SSD you pick up doesn't have a DRAM cache.
@@SaltyMaud I ended up getting a PNY XLR8 CS3040 2TB ssd. Believe me, I know you don't need the best of the best. That's why a tier list is useful, so you can see how all the options compare and have something to help you sort between all the options available.
So happy to see the intro back in a new video!!
1:27 they finally used the intro again!
My happiness is immeasurable and my day is saved.
The Lian Li 215 is a great case, highly recommend it! I personally use the O11 Air Mini, but I helped a friend build a pc over video call and it could not have been easier.
i'd love to see a monthly ltt recommended build, or builds, have 3 levels every moth that you recommend.
Nah the haters would keep trashing on the builds all the time. What would work is if the LTT forum voted on some recommended builds as you said.
@@walkinmn don't let hate stop you!
Linus, one thing I noticed on PC forums is, that a whole lot of people have absolutely no idea about one very important part of the whole PC: the monitor! I´ve seen loads of posts where recommended PC parts will make a absolute high end overkill monster, but people play on 1080p 60hz monitors, with bad colors! Or some people who have those overkill PC, wonder why the image still looks bad, while their settings are set to 59.94hz. There are many people who have a good budget for a PC, but spend all on thhe computer itself and still use an old crappy monitor in the end. I am convinced that a lot of people would have a way better gaming experience, if they´d use their budget different, go a little lower on the PC specs, but get a quality monitor instead. So, for educational purposes, would it be an idea for you to make a video about monitors and how to get one that fits the computer it will be connected to, so you end up with a balanced setup?
I really like these videos I love the new way of attacking them please make more, they are probably my favorite, and they can be looked at later for if someone is curious how a certain produce had matured over time
I built my workstation with pcpartpicker and some guidance from a friend. Only thing I ended up changing was ram and case because I wanted a good bit of ram and wanted front IO. A case is the part you see most from your PC so you might as well have something that looks good and has the features you want I say
Case has no impact on performance along as it has a modicum of airflow so might as well have something cheap and save some money I say
This was an interesting approach. Very creative. I really enjoyed it. Thanks!
The bigger question is, why do people give you answers that DON'T answer your question in the first place in these forums? Ever noticed that? You post a question and there's this high chance people reply but their reply is not directly answering your question at all even when it's simple.
I don't think the LTT forum PC has a bad approach. It's a decent PC to "hook you up", still serve you well for some time and then if you later decide the performance isn't enough you can swap out the GPU very easily. Stuff like getting a reliable SSD seems stupid until you lose all your data to it and decide to never use a PC again...
It was a horrible approach, RTX 4070 is over 50% faster than RX 7600...
Yeah, all the others PCs you would to change the CPU and RAM to upgrade to a better GPU, still, same price for half the performance is realy bad
I could see that but recommending a dead platform and a GPU without meaningful AI features destroys the upgradability argument, you can get a 4060ti and an AM5 system for the same price that outperforms the LTT forum PC, dont even get me started on RT and DLSS...
@@TheOliver264 am4 is considerably cheaper, even more if you take other countries in mind, you can get some 5800x3d used way cheaper than a am5
But that was an nvme witch would be a total waste unless u transfer big files everyday. And the 32gb of ram for 1080p ? Seems like complete waste again.
Please, in the future videos, use equalizer to remove the unused low end noise, I could hear constant hum on my studio monitors and it was annoying. Always use low cut below 100hz, not no all channels but on the channels with recordings.
yeah, that was pretty distracting
@@Probosporone Also it's not the first time, in multiple of their videos i can hear this low end, I guess one of the editors doesn't know that it should be done. I also saw like 2 years ago that they were planning on hiring audio eingineer, but what came of it, I don't know. If they have one, they should be participating in QA
"Please change your content creation setup and practices to accommodate me and me alone because I insist on watching an informational video with excessive hardware and I'm disappointed I didn't have a intense and immersive audio experience."
@@katnax3059Probably for labs
@@callmeasshole It's an easy change that requires like 7 clicks and 30 seconds at most. You don't need any high end equimpent to hear this, you can hear this on most setups, I just tried it with my cheap earplugs, i hear the same thing.
I am so happy you brought back the intro!!
When i built my computer the best results i got was from discussing it on discord.
This way you have many opinions flowing in and you fine tune what suits you best.
Some ppl will put a highend mobo instead of psu, and some wont.
This way you fine tune and come up with what suits you best
PCMR and PCbuild would have been better Reddits to ask
I wouldn't even trust PCMR to choose what I buy for lunch, let alone 100s of dollars of electronics
To whoever reads this, I hope you have/have had a great day
What a kind soul ❤
why you have to be so wholesome
Thank you jhplayz298
I hope you have a great day as well
@@gaming_toilet why not?
The fact that there were so many things that changed during the making of this video proves its point 100%
I built my i9-10900KF and Arc A770 in a Fractal Pop case :3 I love love LOVE the optional CD/DVD/Blu-ray Drive at the bottom that keeps it clean! I hope to use this case for a LONG ass time.
10:41 Should be 4x8GB.
At 10:44, that looks like 4 sticks ram, not 2 x 16.
1:30 glad to see the Intro back, Its been a while.
OMG the intro is back!!
Correction in the video, with the LTT Forums Pc:
The ram was 4x8 ( I Presume ) not 2x16 and from Corsair, not from GSkill. The PSU is clearly labeled a Seasonic PSU, not a Corsair one.
And the GPU was a Sapphire, not MSI
@@jfernandez76 very strange, as the INDIVIDUAL models themselves matters ALOT. Pretty lackluster video, if it was me i wouldve shattered this build comp.
Mate just watch the video, he said at 3:30 that the parts wouldn't be exactly the same.
@@Hetsu.. If they matched the clock and timings for the RAM then the model does not matter. 4 vs 2 sticks decreases your signal eye, which causes system instability. It does not technically affect performance (It will often require you to underclock your memory however to become stable). So for a raw performance comparison, none of their substitutions mattered. Now if you were to overclock the systems at all or cared about long term reliability, Their changes would have a dramatic effect.
@@dihydrogen4781 i doubt they matched the timings though, aib ram timings are all different
Did not expect the rx 6800 to put up such a mighty fight vs the 4070.
Rx6800 is the new 1080ti, I've got one and don't see any need to upgrade for the foreseeable future
This was a great video, it went way farther than I thought it would.
I went to the LTT forum earlier this year to build my pc and i got the help i needed. Thanks for that.
Danny from Beirut.
Pc part picker is a great utility. Used it to spec my sons first build and its super useful. Didnt know there was a forum tho 😂😂
You have kids??
Omg I feel bad for that boy
I wouldn't expect this to be mentioned in the video but 4chans PC building general is really helpful. (Just don't ask them whether you should buy AMD or Nvidia)
A userbenchmark type of situation?
Why?
@@amanwithaplan4369 Super solid part advice + fast responses, u don't have to make ltt or pcpp account either
No one who doesn't already know what 4chan is should be going on 4chan. There is a significant population of people on 4chan that should not be allowed near schools.
@@firebanner6424 I literally accidentally doxxed my full address on 4chan in an amazon screenshot. The 4chan super hackers haven't gotten to me yet
It feels so good to see the intro again!!
You should go to all three, and also to the manufacturer specs and any other site you find, and cross-reference them. That way you can detect any BS or errors from any one source.
As a person who has helped dozens if not hundreds of people on r/buildapc subreddit, it's simply not sustainable to also handle build requests. Not enough people for too many requests, that usually are similar to each other.
It is nice to sometimes be DMed even several months into the future and be thanked for help though. I'd encourage everyone here to help out from time to time.
Perfect video for the holidays as im planning to buy parts this black friday/cyber monday! Thanks LTT
I actually really like the LTT forum's approach to a PC. Getting a better GPU isn't hard to down the line, especially if you wait and get a good deal on a used one, and going all out on the other components first means that it'll have a longer lifespan overall.
Screw Reddit. Thank you everyone else for being so welcoming!
I could kind of understand the forums idea of picking a 5700x as it's the final generation of that socket and the 7600 will definitely get you through games currently and I would rather have a more significant GPU upgrade down the road then A minor CPU upgrade or both a full CPU and motherboard upgrade. This is also hoping that the GPU market will hopefully have a decent shift in value in the coming years.
Recommending the 5700x is such a bad take - if anyone recs it, immediately stop taking them seriously.
I agree, having it unbalanced like this is actually better future value, no need to upgrade two things to get a performance boost
@@aidanocallaghan169 I almost think that getting a 5600x is a bad take especially if you are purchasing an entire new build around it. You really only have core count and 3d memory to upgrade to with no more generational improvements. I would rather spend 30 dollars more for a 5700x and run that for 2-3 years than a 5600x and be tempted to dump another 250 dollars for a 5800x3d everytime i hear a sale.
@@peaceinoutb 5600>5600x the 5600 has its place in budget builds
@@aidanocallaghan169I agree... Buying new am4 at this point is short sighted in my eyes. Used AM4 is a different story, some great deals to be had there.
Removing the pc part list posts is insane, when I was building my computer years ago the main bapc sub was so fast and helpful. Thank you for making this, BethesdaBoy!
I don't really understand the point of this video. I mean, you guys could have just picked a different users pc build list on your forums that was better than the one you picked. Its not like you only had ONE option to pick from on LTT forum. I think it would have been smarter and more genuine to let someone who knew nothing about PC's pick from the forums, otherwise you could've just pick for whatever result you wanted. Just my thoughts, Much love for what you guys do.
gosh I missed that LTT intro so much
Linus someone on the LTT forum gave me instructions on how to hide a body is this okay
yes, it's what we do
Ive used LTT Fourm for my last 2 pc builds, very helpful folks over there. Also used the LTT pc guide to build my current rig
Interesting that the AVG and 1% on Halo seemed closer together than for the other games, across all the builds. That could be an interesting metric, the average variance between AVG and 1%, there's probably a statistical name for that comparison...
reddit usually aligns with or redirects to the ltt forum
Compared to these my build suggestions as of late are, lets say, more eclectic. I've been giving a lot of love to LGA 3647 and 2066 with Comet Lake and especially skylake xeons doing their EOL price nosedive and 16gb sticks of ECC DDR4 doing the same. The used workstation market is alive and well for the willing
Hi Randar, which build would you recommend to get comparable results. I'm looking to build something starting from a workstation as I like the understated aestetic.:)
@@MultiBrownstar Hmm I thought I posted a reply earlier... in any case my build is as follows: a xeon W-3235, 96gb of DDR4 ecc (6x16gb), and a 3080. It's not going to provide you with the full CPU performance of these machines in single threaded loads your multithreaded load is helped by having 12 cores, though your GPU performance would be close to on par with the best in the vid, and your memory throughput is amazing. The CPU performance isn't really gonna hold you back all that much though, you can think of it like a 10850k with a little less clock speed and 2 more cores.
If you followed my spec list with ebay prices at time of writing you'd come in at about $1000 if you started with a barebones HP Z6 G4 workstation and added on from there. That also includes the fact I have a 1tb NVME as a main drive and 2x2tb SATA SSDs for bulk storage (after all a modern steam library should have more than 1tb and I'd argue even more than 2).
I like building on workstation platforms because I am wholly unable to deal with instability. I actually transitioned from the technically better for gaming i9 10850k to this system because of crashing issues, so I opted to leave just a bit of per core CPU performance behind for that ECC memory and a lower possibly more stable clock speed. Plus I'm looking to rework my networking setup as the ISP I work for transitions to higher than gig speeds and now I've got the extra PCIE lanes to add a 10g SFP NIC direct to CPU, of course you could use them for whatever or not at all. Capture cards, more NVME, a good sound card, USB expansion, whatever you like really.
@@RandarTheBarbarian intel workstations are nonsensical for anyone not living near a power plant, and anyone in europe. 65w amd vs 180w intel cpu.
@@tarkitarker0815 you're free to think that if you wish, however I will note that building a desktop has always been making a more powerful machine at the cost of a higher electricity bill, so if that's your opinion you should probably be aiming for the docked laptop market. But if we're talking about getting the most performance for your dollar there's more to consider than simply "X product has a higher tdp rating". For one thing that's a full load thermal design spec, if I take that vs say a 5600x then I have twice as many cores, but if my load is halved and I'm using 6 cores as opposed to the full 12 then my power consumption will be roughly halved at 90w, but I have the ability to more quickly handle loads that are greater than 6 cores. I have greater ability to multitask not only due to my doubled core count but my massive increase in memory bandwidth, going from 2 channels at say 3200, to 6 channels at 2133, additionally ECC memory provides me better stability than I had on my prior Ryzen and Intel systems. I also have the freedom, as stated for more add on cards to use as I wish with the additional pcie lanes afforded by a pro system, 48 raw with no less than 3 multiplexers in my case, with 4 22110 nvme slots.
So no it isn't nonsensical to use a Cascade Lake Xeon, it fits my preferences better than a mid range consumer AMD chip that would cost me more to put together than picking up an old Xeon workstation.
It's the 3rd 3647 Xeon operating in my apartment, an additional 2 in a server used for game server, video, and audio hosting. You know what uses way more power than a pair of 20 core Xeon golds? Having an old refrigerator.
@@RandarTheBarbarian dude its really easy, amd at the same ipc as intel uses less than half the wattage for high core counts up until 11th gen. buying used xeons isnt the way unless you live in india, or china, or next to a supplier in the usa. we are a gaming channel here, no one is going to need more than 8 cores with ht unless he does business, and then he wants new bc new means faster working than used anyway.
0:39 in search for the Elden Ring... mist, or beast... fort, night.
It may exist and I just haven't seen it, but would you guys be willing to make a guide for how to configure and benchmark your gear? Things like setting XMP, how you guys configure Afterburner, etc.
For the reddit build, you said you got a 16GB kit, then promptly show a 32GB kit. Which is it? (3:24)
The LTT parts, you say Corsair power supply, then show a Seasonic logo. (10:55)
They were using the closest equivalent parts they had in the warehouse at the time -- I don't think this video would justify sending Elijah and Colin around to Best Buy to get something that might not be used again.
My build is actually more in line with the LTT one since my focus was on building something future proofed and upgrade the GPU once the 5000 series starts rolling out. I actually think that approach is a good idea for a lot of first-time builders, even if it means lower performance in the meantime.
But the question was gimme the best pc for $1000. Not gimme the best pc for $1000 after I drop another $500 on a GPU in a few months.