How Close Are We to Downloading the Human Brain?
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- Downloading your brain may seem like science fiction, but some neuroscientists think it's not only possible, but that we’ve already started down a path to one day make it a reality. So, how close are we to downloading a human brain?
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I'm afraid that if they tried to download my brain they would get a 404 Not Found Error.
Brain.exe has stopped working
Thats my brother
Alright that's funny, I giggled
@@vhslofi lol
My brain is infected it would download a virus and give the computer a blue screen of death.
I bet the day I graduate they’ll come out with a chip that puts all knowledge into your brain without having to go to school
@Χειραγώγηση Του Νου by the media good idea if someone have a murderer thought then we can control his brain to calm down.
@Χειραγώγηση Του Νου by the media nope that's not going to happen if they kill us then all the mysteries in the universe cannot be solve and answer, we are all connected everybody contribute to make us progress not backward's, we cannot see our root aka God if we are going to kill each other and not helping each other. So don't worry to much just help them to solve all we have problem in the world right now, we have problem centuries ago until now war,earthquake,virus,storm etc... do you have solution to solve this problem? So we need more people to solve lot's of problem we have, we cannot solve this alone.
Cool future ....
Kyle now that’s pretty cool to me though! :)
Haha !! Guess what , that's 5-6 years from now.
I don't know much about neuralink but one more scientist other than neuralink (musk) has begun the work on it this year.
I wanna share my idea with you guys here:
For it to be true immortality, it can't just be a copy, it has to be YOU you. However, that doesn't necessarily mean we have to stay made of the same physical material. We know our cells are constantly dying and being cycled out for new ones, and that doesn't bother anyone, so clearly a slow partial replacement is ok for it still being "you". Therefore I think that if we slowly replaced our biological brain with a synthetic one, one small piece at a time, it wouldn't be just a copy, it would be you. As each new piece gets added, it will be only a small part of the whole which is already established as "you". After some period of time it will be "taken in" by the rest of the whole, and can be considered part of you rather than just an add-on. Over time, eventually all parts will be synthetic, but instead of a sudden copy & paste it'll feel more like a natural growth or evolution, like growing from a child to an adult.
I think that is the only way I could feel that I've truly achieved immortality. Hopefully we get there in my lifetime!
Brains cells don't die out , so they don't die. If we try to remove the parts, we may essentially be removing pieces of our consciousness .
@@mightcri7049 If they did die out and get replaced, similar to skin cells, would we stay the same person, do you think?
Anyways, as I've said before, we ll be removing part of our consciousness, our memories, our very personality.
In short we can't perform a brain surgery, unless we can backup our consciousness somewhere.
That's the kicker tho, since we'll be backuping our consciousness, the backed up us, won't be US. It'll be an artificial version of us. So we'll die in the process.
And that's why I think we can't perform brain implants just yet.
@@mightcri7049 why we just dont cut the brain from body
i mean brain cells don't die
and it doesn't seem they get age i think?!
@@johnwashington5179 well, I mean neurons still need the nerves to send signal to the other parts of our body. And I remember brain cell damage being called permanent, so i thought that they don't get replaced.
When this is done, I can proudly say: "I can't wait to die."
you know it wud just be a clone of you, so not actually you, tho it will think its you. Basicly u wont get like transfered... SOMA is a good example
We are not sure of that yet. Consciousness may exist.
Ok cyrax
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@@tammygreen8962 ok
I want a cut and paste not a copy.
Do you know how Cut and paste works internally in a computer?
MAKE A COPY - DELETE THE ORIGINAL - AND THEN PASTE WHEREVER YOU LIKE.
You will die any way cut-paste or copy-paste.
How about the MOVE command?
@@krazyninja954 Actually its not how cut works in computer. Just path info of a file is changed, thats why ctrl+x, ctrl+v is muuch faster than copy, paste remove
only if you cut and paste on the SAME drive, the rest of the time it's copy then delete
That's even worse
An interesting thought I heard recently is that if we were to ‘download’ a human brain the entity won’t be the same - half of what makes us human is our desire to survive, reproduce, find food, sleep etc etc etc. So without those desires the downloaded consciousness wouldn’t really be the same person. Anyone have thoughts on this?
*Edit: A lot of replies! So great to see some people so interested in sharing their ideas and thoughts about science!*
Damn this is such a weird question. If we were transferred into a robot, would we feel the need to eat, reproduce, etc? This is blowing up my brain cells.
Some might consider those "desires" as limitations of the human consciousness. We have to eat, go to the washroom , sleep for 1/3rd of the day. If we can download our brains , we will be limitless :)
Aspect Science I think you’re completely correct. It will only be a copy of the way each individual thought. Maybe recorded memories. But that’s it, a simulation of the person that is dead and gone.
Also, if it WAS the real you (which it wouldn’t be), there could be many of the same person copied and pasted into robot computers, so who would be the real person? (None of them)
Even if we had this tech I wouldn't use it I kinda think of downloading my brain as my body dieing and a new"thing" is born in the computer it just has my personality l, I died in my body where my brain is
That's how I want to live forever.
I don't want to create a digital copy of my consciousness, I want to plug a cable into my brain, fall asleep, and wake up as a digital mind.
@Bazzralic Consciousness is an emergent property of the activity in the brain. If that activity can be replicated, the consciousness will be replicated, just like a copied file. Does an MP3 die when you copy it? Maybe you [the real you] should *YELL LESS*.
@@benjeesilv1596 Exactly. Instead of slicing and scanning the brain (destructively), I'd like to see nanotechnology get to the point where we can inject maybe several thousand nanobots into the brain. Maybe they'd hang out in the synapses, each monitoring the connections, inputs, and outputs of a particular neuron until it can replicate it exactly. Then it zaps the neuron, takes its place, and spawns another nanobot to continue the process. If everything works properly, you wouldn't even notice a change.
@Bazzralic yes but actually no, what if we can place out brain into a robot???
@@JB52520 bruh the copied you isn't YOU. Is just a person with same thinking and behavior as YOU. Also mp3 isn't living of course it doesn't die
No thanks
if we can upload our memories , there's also a possibility of turning it into a artificial intelligence.
Cyborg
Thanks Yukari
It WILL be Arificial Intelligence.
If we copy brain copy soul too
it's already done you're living it now ☺️
Dont forget to disable antivirus before downloading my brain..
You should remember, without body. You wouldn't feel real emotions. Brains give instructions to your body and whole system. Basically no body, no emotions. Emotions might need download separate as add-ons.
Emotion ain't in your body, it's in the brain lol
Well emotions comes from your body. Don't you think? But it's effects your brain because when you feel certain emotions, your brains produce some chemicals as far I remember. So well you are right I guess but without body, this effect wouldn't appear. Let's wait
Without body you could feel any emotion that exist, fear, anger, sadness, joy, disgust etc..
Do someone that is missing limb feel less emotion than everyone else? no.
Well to feel emotions u need body ;D That's all. Your brains will not give u emotions if u have no body. There is no pain in hands without hands.
In order to overcome the copy vs original-you problem, we probably need something like a nanobot swarm to interface with the brain, on almost a cell-by-cell level.. While still alive. It'd have to be capable of linking with each cell/neuron/whatever, and eventually taking over each cell's functions, gradually so as to never interrupt the overall communication going on in the brain. Then the artificial brain cells would have to be able to offload the physical-location of their brain function, gradually to the simulated/emulated brain, inside the either a simulated reality or a robot body.. All while still maintaining the overall communication with all other cells during the process so the original brain pattern is never interrupted or turned off, just slowly moved.
Why replace? What if the nanobots simply added extra function (more synapses, digital perfect memory use, and wireless connection to networks). The problem is, we dont know if 'experience' is within the brain, or if the brain is what is being experienced (in other words, external to it). If it's the first one, then death is death no matter what copies you make. If it's the second one, then the AI layer of yourself could possibly be reconnected to your experience, using a different body-mind. It may be that experience is external to the brain, BUT once the body is gone, it is no longer localized (dissolves into the universe) or it MOVES and simply cant be captured or reconnected artificially (reincarnation, transport to heaven/hell type realms)
AnAccountOnRUclips since when is experience external to the brain ever, its not a substance, its a shape the brain takes to react to stimuli more efficiently
NikoKun haha, I literally just wrote almost the same exact thing.
@@stupidvids0 this is actually dumb because basically scanning the brain at one point in time and replacing it with plastic and silicon wont change the fact that person isnt you so personally this is bullshit and if we are taking the wrong approach to an inmortal life then the secret is on cancer cells not in computers and if we want to acomplish this we need to do it by biological means not some evil doppenganger version of you.
Philosophically this problem is difficult to conclude. I think the answer lies within the belief that you are the same person when you “wake up”. What makes us know we are us after waking up from a nap is the physicality of our brain, knowing the same cells are present. Other than that idea, nothing really ties to any past moments at all. We are technically forever living in the now with just a bunch of nervous connections telling us otherwise. The downloaded consciousness would be just as much you as you any other AI
*Downloading human brain now possible*
*3 years after*
LETS GO PLAY SWORD ART ONLINE!
Let's gooooo
@EXISTENTIAL CRISIS Don't worry something like that would cost 1B USD
Naruto Uzumaki it will get cheaper by the decades
lmao, exactly what I was thinking😂
@@ebongjr793 what do you mean?
It's crazy how you will never know if you're living In a simulation or not.
King Bain if I’m in a living situation then someone really has it out for me up there
Emma Firth you okay Emma?
King Bain yeah I’ll be alright thanks for asking
If my life really is just a simulation fed into my "downloaded" brain, I am certainly not content with the story of this "game".
So your saying we aren’t really, us? Fascinating.
if you just upload the brain and consciousness, all you get is a digital clone of that person who thinks they are that person while the irl person is not online and will die. the only way to make it work is if someone could somehow be simultaneously be connected with the physical and digital brain until they die, experiencing life in both and being able to go digital and then back to physical at their own will. In other words there needs to be a continuous stream of consciousness between the two versions in order for it to be the same person
Agree 100%, unless the physical brain is somehow included it will never be the same person, just a copy. Plus if they really did digitally recreate a person's brain within a computer, nothing is stopping them from making yet another copy, which makes it impossible for both copies to be you. They will probably talk, act, think like you and recall the same memories but it won't be you
The important question is: does it matter?
It would work *only if* we maintained continuity by transfering the electrical activity of a human brain to an artificial brain or a biological brain, so that the old body is brain-dead.
Would you be 2 places at once if you copied your brain to a machine or to another brain while you were still alive??? NO.
Your clone may fool other people into thinking that it is the original you. And when you die, your clone will be your rightful heir regardless. But it won't be ''you'' any more than your child is ''you''.
Technically "you" die every time you sleep and are reinstanced when you wake. Though you have a good point. Continuity of consciousness is an essential foundation for any neuroemulation based life preservation.
@hiqhduke Well... Unless some of Jan van Enk's crazier theories are actually right in practical application and not just the math. If he's right then you and your clone would be fundamentally the same being in the "spooky action at a distance" sense. But that's crazytalk, no matter how good your math is justifying it.
NOT 'continuity of consciousness'. It's about transferring your brain's electrical activity which is caused by the neural activity of your living brain.
Transfer that activity to another medium so that the original mind-body is rendered brain dead. Otherwise it's a copy: a clone regardless of whether the original mind-body is dead or alive.
*When can we download RAM?*
dedicated WAM?
_Bob McCoy Right now man! I downloaded some yesterday.
I need that
u may do it when we get full access to the cloud
Play store
I’m becoming obsessed with this. Would love to know how I can get involved in the progression of this. I really want to help this move along even if it means just getting some MRI taken of my own brain. Would love to wake up in a robotic body in the future when we have the technology to do this. Seems so interesting to me!
Won't be able to, even if it's a clone of you, if it's not your brain you want continue to live on.
I'm planning to preserve my brain with the Alcor Life extension foundation. You should look into it.
I'm confident Artificial Intelligence will help substantially in the process to emulate an entire brain. This should be possible in about 20-30 years.
Do you still think we are as close?
Or how much if were realistic
@@puffo3 it’s very close it’s gonna happen in this life time I’m taking in account that how technology has boomed from 2010-2023
ARTIFICIAL FLUCTLIGHT
"I can eat this pizza"
Lasagna appears onscreen.
I laughed more than I should have.
I think that was a square martini pizza
Lasagna? You don't even know what a lasagna is, trust me on that.
@@ordnaelshideout Lasagna is fricking delicious
@@RogerH_CxP you tell me, I'm Italian.
@@ordnaelshideout 😂😂👌🏽
Research in nanotechnology that repairs damaged brain cells and prevents infections/cancers will be more beneficial in the long run imo. We could also put our brain in a machine to replace vulnerable organs like they said.
so you mean that your body and a machine we'll be the same thing? What about consciousness and the ability of experience new things?
Ramy Ramy simply move consciousness into a machine
@@ebongjr793 i hate you so much.
Kara Pipkin why
"Finally I can turn in my computer essays more quickly" **Black Mirror intro starts**
ChatGPT
This made me think a lot, I know have a overwhelming feeling of anxiety lol
@Jack Solis Energy cannot be created or destroyed in an isolated system.
First law of thermodynamics
@Jack Solis In physics, the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system cannot change-it is said to be conserved over time. Energy can be neither created nor destroyed, but can change form; for instance, chemical energy can be converted to kinetic energy.
Nice english
@@Chuli_Buli I almost wrote the same thing right *know* lol
@@satoriwabisabi hahaha
This is where black mirror starts
Zoe 4483 when did we enter the twilight zone shits been fucked since like 2010
I've always been fascinated by this stuff, and several years ago I really hoped to live long enough to benefit from such technology. Then Back Mirror went and showed us just how very very badly it could go. lol
@@mushman6045 whats been fucked?
@AnotherOne for you but I rather have organic like my food 🕊️😇💖💯
Nah there’s the episode where they are sent to the world, and they spend their not lives together, it’s kinda nice
Scanning memories doesn't transfer your consciousness. It creates a clone of you that and has no connection to you. Just transferring memory won't be enough to stop death.
Sadly the rate of computer advancement may soon dramatically slow down and that will bring this even further away.
Slow down? Bitch, are you not aware of quantum computing?
It doesn't copy memories dumbass it copies neurons
Copying neurons has the same issue. Copying your brain doesn't keep you alive.
Its probably better that we merge with AI instead of trying to swap bodies. Besides, I like organic existence, so I'd like to add a layer on top, not destroy it
Then, maybe we can have some sort of "knowledge of the ancestors" situation where once the person dies, thier "AI helmet" or something retains that person's knowledge and skills, so that it's not lost with the person. Why stop death? Theres a reason we die. But our ideas, revelations, imaginations can stick around for others to enjoy.
I wanted to get a brain transplant
But I changed my mind
Ba dum tsss...
It's not downloading my brain to a robot, it's more like an AI with my memories, not "me". The only way to reach the immortality is keeping our brain cells alive.
But the way they're talking, it sounds like it Would be You. They literally said you would be able to look around, feel your body, recall your memories, etc.
The problem is we have no idea what consciousness is. We don't even know what makes you yourself, much less know how to transfer it.
The word consciousness is confusing. "Experience" is what we don't understand. Is your experience an illusion of your brain, or is your brain being experienced by you? Idk
ok and eventually we will know. And if some reason we won't know, then who cares, our curiosity knows no boundaries and thus we'll try to upload our consciousness anyway because we can and we should
Cut your dribble. Who is "we"? You mean the idiots who cant even apply a required quantum model that must be present before any attempt at all can be made to enable a practical attempt at a download or copy? This is not the time to fantasize over the lies and omissions by institutionalized rhetoric filled with countless dead end paths of anti discovery.
It is incorrect to claim that consciousness is completely not understood. It is the consensus that it is an emergent property of the brain. As a consciousness can be fundamentally altered if the underlying brain is altered, it is obvious that the brain produces consciousness. Our memories aren't merely records of things in the past. The word 'memory' in this context references just stored data. That data includes preferences, desires, personality traits, etc.
'We' certainly know how to tell something is not conscious (like a computer) compared to a sentient entity. If we had no idea what consciousness is, that comparison would not be possible. That would be like saying we don't know what a bicycle is while still being able to distinguish between a bicycle and a car. Obviously some identifying characteristics and fundamentals are understood sufficient for the comparison to be made, demonstrating we DO have a decent idea what consciousness actually entails.
The term itself might be the problem. It may invoke a more complex 'thing' than is actually the case. We may be reading more into what it is to be aware than is justified. The term 'consciousness' may be as useless in discussion as the term 'soul.' That is, it is so ill-defined that it potentially over-states the issue at hand.
I don't get the obsession with consciousness, it's not something binary
If you're able to simulate a network of neurons similar to the human brain there should be no problem
Consciousness is not really a solid construct, people need to understand this
"most of the people working on it today don't even realize they're working on it". well, I'm just doing my part.
You work at mcdonalds
you'd know
Thanks man, that’s hilarious
People would download Einstein's brain's torrent file instead of getting it on a paid membership
6:10 thank me later
I’ll come back in a year.
🤣👍
@@SuperYtc1 You're late.....
Doctor; excuse me sir, its 2033, you are needed to get your brain downloaded for research
Me; ehhmm, which brain?
Like your balls?
meanwhile, Europe is banning memes. Talk about different priorities :D
LTN000 haha 😂 this tickled me
Less memes = more productivity = stuff like this can happen faster.
@@Beast80001 increased productivity is worthless if everyone suicides from lack of memes,,,
Im so afraid of memes like that in the future:
2020: I bet we will find the mind transfer
2077:
2077: old school whip and nae nae dancing while my maternal and paternal units argue in the background
Maybe when A.I. is further along, a robot could help them fast track this...
Making a simulation of our brain, okay nice this makes a theory that we live in a simulation even more plausible...
Sounds like a episode from Mirror
black mirror
Holy **** that assumption at the end gave me goosebumps
Look up Brain in a vat
Is it just me,or does this topic remind me of Ghost In The Shell?
Yeah! More like chappie & matrix
Same
*r e a d s t i t l e*
not even close lol
We are close using your neurons to connect and control devices through technology already exists actually existed years ago which is the start of the whole process of this.
@@adriankyles9708 I read an article that said it could be as close as 2050-2060. What are your thoughts?
BORSHIGI Shibley it exists now and many years ago won’t be available to around 2030 and not every article estimates it correctly 2050 is too far of a estimate!
@@adriankyles9708 is it really possible? I mean an Evidence,need some of them
Lazy Digger very possibly it’s just the mark of the beast
I think replacing each neuron individuallly with nanobots could help you retain consiousness. If you seemed to be losing a sense then you could just stop the process and repair the damage. If your neurons could connect with the digital equivalent of themselves, then you could maybe retain consciousness.
This is literally the premise to the game SOMA just without the underwater part yet XD
Was just thinking the same :)
I like your documentary style and appreciate it takes courage to tackle
subjects on the edge of common recognition. Thanks.
When my parents pass away I will freeze their brains and wait for the tech to catch up and continue life 😂 it’s like reincarnation!
there's always cryo freeze...
so i can feel gud
@@chinossynthesizer705 ick
@@PrincessofHell666 wat
@@chinossynthesizer705 you know what
*"unless there's some giant surprise that we run into"* My boy are you in for a treat.
I you download my brain, I want you to put it on a server on internet so I can go across the world in matter of seconds.
Am I the only person who got freaked out by his last statement. "Unless we're already in a simulation"
Let's hope we are
But if we get there...how do scientists prove that it is the same person that is uploaded? It might act like you and have the same experience and believe it is you but how do you prove that the original person didnt die and just created a computer clone?
the "original person" still dies. It is memory that gets downloaded not his consciousness, so that robot is not the original person.
Our cells are constantly dying and being replaced so we’re never the “original” person.... I would imagine that say when the time comes and you wake up after your consciousness has been downloaded, you would see the original ‘you’ before being downloaded also as a memory... just as you remember yourself as a child as a memory. The only tie you have to yourself as a child are the memories that connect present you. Virtually everything else is different
@@aadi2488 neuronal cells don't reproduce, so you can say that our body is always different but not our minds
I hope they have McAfee while download brain
:-D
I hope the answer is not "not close and more research is needed"
spoilers.
called it
but we still haven't figured out how to make a simulation inside this simulation. so while we might be already simulated the question was how far we are to downloading the brains and not the beings that probably simulated us u fool
Jeff Session
What is it simulating?
And how can we get out? I have issues with the simulator(s) I need to... you know, "iron out." (cracks knuckles).
@Jeff Session hitchhikers guide to the galaxy
If this worked and humans were able to live forever, Imagine all the things we can do, the things there we can build, the tech we can invent. If this happens by 2050, humanity would become unstoppable
Please hurry on this man, i wanna live in a simulation and play video games all day.
Watch sword art online
just because you put your brain map into a computer doesnt mean you're gonna live forever.
Your consciousness, your sense of self, thats gonna stay in your meat body. You're not gonna wake up and go "wow, I'm in a computer now". The copy of you might, because it has all your memories, as far as it knows, it is you, transferred out of your body.
Your sense of self is immovable, whatever it may be. We have the means of copying it, sure, but there's no way we'd be able to move it into something else.
Nagsaw
if that's your view of consciousness, does this process create consciousness?
Nathan Edwards possibly. it's like creating a copy of you, but digital.
which, I wouldnt mind.
Perhaps you could connect the computer brain to your biological brain and replace the biological brain one cell at a time. It's not so clear which version of you would contain your consciousness then. Perhaps the actual "you" is the electrical impulses moving around in your brain; if that's the case then this strategy might be plausable.
Your consciousness doesn't stay OR go anywhere because it's not anywhere to start with. It's not IN your brain, it's OF your brain, and will also be of any computer that is simulating it. Think of your browser as the brain, and what you see right now is its activity. When you close your browser, it is no longer active, but you can start it up again or move all it's data to a different computer and restart it there, or in both places. Consciousness simply comes and goes. What's important is the data.
Nagsaw We’ll just have to wait and see.
What if some sort of error occurs during a conciousness transfer and your concious is just infinitly stuck in blackness.
Not a problem.
Bye bye you.
7 Billion more people to go...
If only 2 can be successfully transferred (one named Sandler, the other Plumb), then they can reproduce and repopulate the digital world!
Itll be fascinating to see how this 2.0 version plays out... ya know, without the rib to be shared or the apple eaten.
Well 6,999,999,998 of us will be dead anyways - so I myself wish the future of mankind the best of luck and I hope the power doesn't go out on you.
Right?
Humans generate their own electricity needed - whereas humans 2.0 will need to be plugged in? Or are we going to have solar powered robots?
Like bricking your mind.. That would suck... I think that is called a coma. Basically our program glitches and needs a reboot. Probably a memory leak.
i mean thats already what death is, so....
@@Melonbread103 No I mean like..... you are still alive, still concious, still thinking, but stuck in darkness..... forever.
@@brittensomerville8883 : then we should try to avoid those errors !!
My idea is to replace every cell in the body with a robotic nanotech version that performs the same function. Send and receive the same connections every single neuron would've. The process is seemless, taking weeks, maybe months to fully complete(that way you never die, it's not a copy)
If I copy an MP3 file then delete the original, it doesn't matter. The music is the same. If the brain simulation is good enough to generate the same consciousness, it doesn't matter if I delete the original.
The only way to pass consciousness is to integrate a brain with a device that does not act like a second hard drive, but one that acts as an extension of the brain.
You could copy the brain but your consciousness won’t come with it. If they copied your brain while your alive they can still create a consciousness that may think like you and act like you but you are still in your body, so does this mean we have a soul? I do not believe you can download my brain and I come with it rather a copy of my personality.
Gai Azoulay it can be done by freezing your brains activity and setting up an hour glass system transferring the information, having it be like moving an open app from one computer to the other without closing it and letting it run part of itself on the original computer and the other part on computer two slowly transferring the consciousness between the minds leaving the original brain empty of everything including the consciousness. It’s like having two bodies at the same time and the original one slowly going to sleep and losing bodily functions as your mind is transferred from one to another.
There will be two of you which have same past experiences but the future experience s will be different
You had a pretty good intuition regarding the problem of “downloading” ones consciousness, up until you suggested that your consciousness is somehow tied to your body, and that consciousness requires a “soul”.
You’re right, that we can only make really good “chat bots”, that could mirror ones personality, or predisposition to certain content... but why ought you be in your body for you to be conscious? There are a number of illusions or malformation in the brain that suggest your consciousness isn’t “in you”... there are a number of really good thought experiments, that clearly exemplify that - namely in the way that what you consider “you as you”, as not needing body parts.
As far as the soul is concerned, I’d have to ask why you think consciousness requires a soul?
Gai this is the question. I like currentcult's "avatar answer" but I also think slowly transforming the wetware to hardware is a possible solution as well "the Indiana cystal skull answer." Love to hear more possibilities to this problem, this one's been nagging me for years.
Studies at the Oak Ridge Atomic Research Center have revealed that about 98 percent of all the atoms in a human body are replaced every year. You get a new suit of skin every month and a new liver every six weeks. The lining of your stomach lasts only five daysbefore it's replaced.
There's a difference between downloading a brain and transferring your conscious. Downloading the brain doesn't mean you'll have a virtual self, it just means there's now a copy of yourself on a virtual level... It's now a different entity. Transferring consciousness is what people want, not downloading brains. When you transfer a consciousness you are still you and self-aware, there is no copying or downloading... You are still you. The only way to do this is to adapt the brain and surround it with immortality in some form.
Political Love thanks for the clarification 👍
this will never happen. because there is a soul made by God. only He can give and take conscious life. also our souls are in perfect compatibility with our bodies they dont accept another vessel.
@@keylanoslokj1806 You never know until you try. Then again is there any way of ever knowing that its actually the original consciousness of the person? That also applies to god. The concept of a god can't be proven or disproven. I'm not going to start a heated debate here about religion because I am not well versed in it as it's never interested me all that much. But jumping to the god conclusion is a bigger leap of faith than trying to catch one very specific fish while skydiving into the water blindfolded. It's unscientific at best.
I would love to have a machine that can record my dreams and in the morning i could play them back.That would be so AWESOME!!!
I'd still be dead and a clone of me would be out there continuing on my "life". No thanks.
why's that a bad thing? I'd rather there still at least be a clone of me than no me at all. plus, if you're really dead as you say, then what's it matter to you anyways?
Why would thwy clone you?
I die and leave a clone of me, I would be dead anyway and there would still be a me at least
It's useless unless my mind can be transfered to into a machine then I'd be immortal
If this happens, they better have a stable digital world to mess around in or some way to keep our sense of time at a human level. Otherwise, it would feel like an eternity of sensory deprivation for every second that you live as a digital entity. It would only take a second or two to go mad.
well you could stop the program from working. but yes, if you put human program to make cognitive functions like 5 times fasterthen normal human, that human will percieve time 5:1. 5 seconds in 1. meaning if you have good computer enough. you could make one human program live for 1000 of years a second. as much as hardware alows it
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That's not a How Close Are We -- buy How Close Are We to immortality might be cool?
I’ve been thinking about this and realized that scientists now can convert brain waves into text. Can’t we take that text, convert it into machine code, and program those brain waves? If we can then we would have to program each brain wave as a line of code. So I’m pretty hopeful.
Unfortunately the weaponized it
One way that may work making the brain is to build physical electronic neurons that can work similarly to virtual artificial neurons. But these will work differently than normal digital circuits. Next you connect it to the brain and new memories will be stored into it but it will not be sure what would happen after it is disconnected
Recent researches point to the fact that memories are probably stored chemically on DNA strands into neurons which implies that simply reproducing the connections like some electronic circuit mapping would miss a huge amount of information...
Darwin does the hardest face plam in his grave
Darwin knew nothing about computers.. He didn't know anything about brain functions either.
I’m waiting for it so when I planned on dying, my mind will go into a robot body.
It will definitely happen within the next 50 years, Im ready for it.
We will perfect the framework for our synthetic bodies long before we figure out the brain problem. See Ameca the humanoid robot.
The computer copy would be a computer copy, not you, but a copy of you. The copy would think it is you, but it is just a copy. You will still be in your own brain.
Star trek transporters will scramble your molecules killing you and making a copy of you somewhere else. The copy would think its you, but you would be dead.
Unless, experience isn't simply a function the brain, and its external. Then, once the transporter reassembles your brain, the experience continues.
I don’t get why people believe it’s a copy, and there is no scientific proof to say that when your consciousness is transferred (if possible) you wouldn’t be experiencing both at once or you wouldn’t simply be transferred to a machine. A transfer of data and a copy aren’t the same thing.
Think of it in terms of Atoms, which everything is made.
What Wavenature is trying to explain which is also proven in science is teleportation which would be very similar to this mind transfer and in fact is nothing more than a copy.
You take two entangled particles, one is the original and the other is entangled to it, meaning a copy.
The copy gets created where ever you wish to teleport to and the original, at the same time, gets destroyed.
Scale this up from just one atom to all the atoms that make you who you are and you simply get a copy of you.
If the clone was activated while the original you is still alive, the experience would be different therefore the clone instantly becomes another person.
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Plot twist we are all aliens living in a Sped up life and when we die we remember everything and go back to our normal alien life
The only problem I see is that you need to first be interacting with that copy of the brain. I think the way to do that would be to somehow connect the brain to computers.
This could be a new virtual reality system way more advanced than the ones we have now🤯
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First you have to upload it.
Only then you would be able to download it.......
we dont wanna download our brain to a another body, that would be just someone else, we wanna transfer it
What make us everything is consciousness, because we have the knowledge of our existence, the other things are just data that's stored ,it's something complicated that we are still trying to understand. This is interesting, our brains are the clearest example of complexity
I hope I’m not alive when this happens.. our world is getting so weird, that it’s gotten to the point where we have to question everything. Who knows where we’ll be when I leave the earth, but all I wanna say (in a non suicidal way) is that I’m ready to see what lies on the other side of death. Running from death is selfishness, and while you should do it as long as possible, there comes a time when we need to let go of our lives and embrace the unknown. The unknown is what pushes us forward, if we knew everything, there would be no motivation, no faith, no belief, nothing. We would all be super intelligent gods of our worlds, and have unlimited power. I wish we had answers, but all we have are assumptions, beliefs, and math.
running from death is" selfishness "
if you truly think that, please stop using any modern technology that allows you to live to comfortably.
you are selfishly running away from your natural death.
Philosophers will never let science sprout , though their own life is science fueled
Next time you get sick don’t take medicine you’re running from ur death
Matteo Tonelli god isn't real. simple as that.
Transferring of thought's unto others is already happening with today's advanced technology, which is called as synthetic telepathy.
Theory:
if we ever reach a point where we could upload our brain then that would basically make the ''we live in a simulation'' thing even more likely
its just a quicksave
Saying you can make a conciousness by building a neuro roadmap is like saying taking a picture of a person is the same as cloning
I just hope someone, someday will be able to create a robotic body capable of keeping a human brain alive for essential forever.
This how I will create my twin flame 👁🔥
don't forget about the mind enslavement, cause the coin doesn't have only one side.
they finna download my brain and they gonna find out the shits i did before. oh hell naw bruh 🤣
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There are few things i want to mention about this comment section. First topic consciousness, it is true we dont know how it works, but that is not an argument against the idea that it is a physical phenomen. I could ask you the same where the prove that consciousness is made of religious-,magical something? . Another thing is even if consciousness is magic, it is somehow interacting with our world, who said it need to be bound to organic matter, why is interactiting with artificial construction out of question? Second the ‘not me’ or ‘not the same person’ argument , are you the same person as last year? Are you made of the same atom as last year? Do you have access to the same knowledge and memory as last year? The answer is no, but still you consider yourself you.
Only your cell skin change but your neurons remain the same most of your life
Some neurons do replicate but very rarely and it takes a long peroid of time, tho when they do replicate, it can destroy a specific memory or damage it.
The solution is not that consciousness is physical, it is the problem. What binds us to our past self is our physical brain. Other than that we are in the now with a bunch of memories. The downloaded version would not be able stream the same physical consciousness from the old you.
William Riopelle but you dont know that. The only way to really know is to try.
William Riopelle the solution to what? I was just trying to mark the real possibility that consciousness might be (not necessary 100%, is) pure physical. It kinda bother me that some non critical thinker are panicking and stubbornly think that consciousness HAS TO BE pure unique and even magical to the point where other options get straight denied without trying. I get it, it is very scary to think we re not special, but look it that way if there is only one “we” then that means our decision might be predetermined and that is scary as well.
The human brain thinking on trying to download its self, that's weird
Our brain has the memory capacity of five Petabytes. The world super computer right now has a memory capacity of five hundred terabytes. So we are about five hundred years away from mapping the human brain and digitizing ourselves completely.
Consciousness is not memory
You think in a language that is learned. Consciousness is nothing but memory. What else could it be?
Trying to study consciousness is like a knife cutting itself. You are trying to be consciously aware about being consciously aware.
Copying memory just creates a clone, Does nothing to stop the person from dying.
The Blood Of Ogun #AfricanGodOfWar #B1 Can you definitively say that? We don’t know for a fact if we exist or not you could argue it’s the motive of survival of our species giving us the sense that we exist and need to is what consciousness might be. We still don’t know what consciousness is exactly we just think we are.
But consciousness is required for all that brain memory to be read
Reminds me of the game SOMA that covers these topics.
I just want a robot body fam. Smaller hit box.
Edit) mans blew my mind with the last remarks.
well my brain is already wireless connected to my computer
Consciousness is not a collection of memories and experiences. It's not even logic or creativity. Consciousness is a personal experience that is the experience of life and is only the feeling of the moment we are in, and nothing else - in the past or future.
ok that sounds whimsical and deep but u act like what u just said is a fact rather then a hypothesis, which is what that is.
I think some of you in the comments are missing the point. Even if you made an exact digital copy of yourself down to the last second you died, YOU in your body will still have died. The only thing that exists now is a digital copy. Even if you upload that digital copy into a clone of your body... It's still a digital copy in a clone, not you. Only YOU can be you.
For example, let's say you copied a piece of paper. Then you threw the original paper in the shredder. You would never say that the copy IS the original, right? Because it isn't. The original is in the shredder. The copy will NEVER be the original no matter how perfect it is as a copy. It is a different entity, no matter how similar.
Truly, the only way for you as an individual entitiy to be immortal is for your body and mind to both exist and grow as you are now, but forever.
Bottom line, copies and clones of you are not a way for YOU to be immortal. It is a way for your copies and clones of you to be immortal.
But your cells are dying and being replaced by new ones every single second, does that mean you are dying now?
In this respect the childhood you and the current you are different entities too. All of the atoms inside your body would have been replaced with new ones, your thought process, your behavior, everything has changed. So it wouldn't be wrong to say you and the you even just 5 years ago are entirely different entities.
Obviously I do believe you would not be the same you after becoming digital, because would be many changes to your behavior after losing the physical body. You will no longer feel all the chemical reactions going on inside your bodies, for example the emotions. You wouldn't "feel" anything the same. We could try to emulate all the sensory information and every single thing that can happen inside the body, but in the end it won't be the same.
Your idea is getting at a more philosophical level. We'd have to define what "you" is in the first place. Is it your body? Is it your brain? Is it the data stored in the trillions and trillions of synapses of your brain? Is it your wholesome(Pretty sure I'm using this word wrong)?
What I'm trying to say is that we wouldn't know how it would be like until we actually manage to copy someone digitally. All we can do is make hypotheses without solid evidence. Which is why there is no reason to believe that digital person is not the same entity or even the opposite.
That's why it's better to use gene editing and stem cells to repair the original, repair or remove bad bits of DNA and become not super human, but flawless human. You'd also have the key to living forever as a bio organism at that point, so nothing is really changed from your perspective and the original mind is preserved. It's 100% more ethical then doing the "Screw the original lets copy him in a hard drive"
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What if we approach from different angle. It is known that a lot of people with epilepsy has been treated surgically by cutting half of brain (left I think) to reduce seizure. So just an idea. Take a healthy person, scan left side of brain, surgically remove that part of brain, make an electronic interface with remaining part of brain and start to interact. Now the person is half biological half electronic form. Next step scan right side of brain upload to a computer like left side, make interface or you can completly activate personality in a computer. Just an idea to make some sort of soft transition from bio to "meca".
Ship of Theseus?
If they tried to download my brain they would get a 503 Error.
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What if you download someone's brain while that person is still alive? Would they be at 2 places at once?
Ibliss no it would be like having an app being open twice at the same time, they don’t share minds because they are separate with the only similarity being that they both have the same starting info
It would create another consciousness same as the alive person any new information in humans brain will not be stored in simulation! It will be like past is same and future is different !
But then if the real person dies...the digital version of them is not really them, it never was...
Good question. That’s why I believe we have a soul
Ibliss it will be a copy ..there is.no point making a copy of ourself if we are death accept death is part of life for people around you and me
We can do it, but we need exponentially more computing power.... sounds like quantum computing to me!
Aerys Gaming or neuromorphic computers. Quantum computers require extremely low temperatures to work, and neuromorphic processors may overcome this technology.
we cant there is your answer
mr,fatality bulzo I didn’t ask a question, but thanks for your massively insightful reply!!!
Each neural connection in the brain would be replaced by a corresponding nanoneurobot (copy cell individual )principle, this process could be done while you were conscious. As bits of
neurons were deleted from your brain, duplicate nanoneurorobot networks would
be created to replace them, placed in the skull of a robot. Since the nanoneurorobot
perform the same function as the deleted neurons, you would be fully
conscious during this procedure. Thus, after the operation was finished,
you would find yourself in the body of a robot.
That's an interesting concept.
thanks for that terrifying thought at the end lmao
i guess the scientist watched altered carbon many times 😂😂😂😂
Actually it is probably the other way around. The author of Altered Carbon got the idea from scientists, The concept of uploading consciousness has been around for decades!
LMAO good luck ever, however the first statement ever! erase my brains browser history
I bet the first company that does this will put in "great memories" of a product who pays the most.
It is just mindblowing to think about, but would you feel immortal after your body dies, and still hold on to consciousness, or would there just be an android based off your memories acting as you? It doesn't really help solve the mystery of death because we wouldn't be able to tell until you die yourself if you remain conscious.