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Why You Shouldnt Think About Composition
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Here's why I think "composition" is a vague, intangible, highly intellectuallized concept that does not promote better art.
It is far better to allow true art to spill out of you, rather than constraining it by adhering to arbitrary rules.
I hope you enjoy this one (:
- Liron
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I see value in some composition rules (no tangents, avoid exact middle, vary spaces) but I like your idea that it’s best to focus on what you like about a subject rather than trying to cram your idea into a lot of rules
Yes, you understood my point (:
These so called rules could also serve as a starting point for exploration
This is so good-->The feeling of what you want to say with paint can only be felt when everything else quiets down …when the voices are not there and you find the thing that was always there.
This discovery is true with composition and far beyond the realm of painting. Takes perseverance to work and hone through the learning, letting go, find your voice phases in all of life.
Hi, Liron, thank you for explaining. As a self-taught artist, I can look at a subject & decide how I want to convey what I'm seeing-- whether it be the mood I want, the atmosphere, whatever. Like you said, it's the artists work-- no rules. Just put paint to paper & see what happens. If you are not happy with your painting-- do another & another until you're satisfied-- no pressure.😂
Yes! Ultimately you’re the creator, the answers will become apparent by creating and actually paying attention to the “feedback loop” so to speak (:
Very eloquent, and heartening. I especially liked the food analogy.
Thank you Mark 😊🙏🏼
Thank you, Liron. You acknowledge your Muse more than any other artist I follow. I appreciate your constant honesty.
Thank you Lisa 😊🙏🏼 I try to cleanly reflect what’s going on inside my head.
I think getting the true raw facts about it can be useful for many, much more than a “sugar coated” truth (:
Yes! I agree, it is about intuition. Thank you for the video. I like seeing your paintings 👌
Yes, I love this! I occasionally think about bits of composition when I'm shuffling elements around, but I always go with my gut over strict rules. Definitely more interesting to focus on what I want to convey rather than fretting about composition
thank you ,love to you
Thank you too 🙏🏼😊
Blasphemy. Blasphemy I say. You're the champ Liron. Thanks for the consistent content
Haha 😂 Thank you my friend
Sounds quite plausible. Thank you. :)
Very useful!
Just last week I was exploring the golden mean...did a couple of paintings on those lines..
And now I am back to what I want regardless of the so called rules, guidelines..
I love what you say about nature taking its own course to determine how and when our preferred styles would emerge..
That allows for an individual to really have fun and let things fall in place on their own..
There is so much pressure to produce 'great results' that we often times fail to enjoy just for the sake of creating and evolving in the process...
YES, and in that enjoyment lies the freedom to make a true piece of art!
And the experience we develop with time (a natural process) informs the result (:
That experience also leads to better perception of what weren’t seeing, so more nuance can be captured.
wish I could LIKE this video multiple times! you really explained so well. thank you! 😍🎨🖌
Thank you so much ☺️
It’s like trying to describe a color to someone who has never seen.
I love this! I’m still a beginner (been painting for just a couple of months) sometimes all these rules takes the fun out of things! Thank you for your vids 😊
Thank you for watching! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Very good explanation and theory! So refreshing and allows SO MUCH more freedom in our work, total agreement in this video, thanks!!
Thank you 😊 And no need to even agree with me, one can find the answer in their own experiences (:
There are mathematical formulas you can use to create a more pleasing composition, and the role of threes and fives and sevens usually makes a composition more appealing to the eye. But trial and error will definitely help an individual artist grow in this manner. I really like what you said to trust your gut and just kind of paint. Sometimes we get too much in our head and not in our heart. Thank you for sharing your inspiration and your art with us. God bless.
I don’t think this is everything in a painting though. You can have a great composition and a really ‘bad’ visual impression or poorly executed piece. It’s not everything.
I have taken a lot of absolutely beautiful photos but the composition doesn’t follow the photography rules and yet it’s still something aesthetically pleasing to look at and get lost in the picture and this I believe, was exactly part of his point here.
Hallo Liron! Thank you for the video. Always nice when you explain something, super helpful. I'll keep this in mind.
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Fabulous video, Liron! Great, great common sense advice. The example of using famous paintings to illustrate this is a great idea. One can extend that analogy to famous books one discusses in literature classes. I often wondered all of the "symbolism" discussed was really the intent of the author when penning the work, or the analyst! That said, some compositional tips are helpful, and one just sort of learns what looks good with experience.
Indeed a great analogy with books too.
Some rare individuals do think a lot of things through, but unless we have documentation of them saying it, the “post mortem” analysis has a limited significance to me (:
As for guidelines- yes, they can provide a starting point for one to find their own taste (: Nothing wrong with that.
Happy you enjoyed this one! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Artistic intuition.
That’s a complex one haha, hopefully I can shed more light on that one in the future as well 🙏🏼🙏🏼 Thank you
Hey Lirón, love the new hair! Hope you’re doing ok.
Thank you! Feels like the barber really nailed it this time!
Thank you for this I’m not great with composition but I do try, my hardest is the perspective, I’ll get there.
You will! ❤️🎨
I find this video really good, thank you! It helps me. Very original and sincere information about composition and also precious (I didn't find it elsewhere in the artistic field).
It is a guess that the same theory applies to other artistic domains. For example people analyze a lot what a poet felt, meant, planned, intended, but in many cases it is pure assumption away from the moment of creation.
Yes, that is a great observation (:
I believe another commentor mentioned this. I agree.
It's okay to give meaning to pieces of art retrospectively, as long as it's done with sober eyes, so to speak.
The artistic process is a lot messier than the very "neat" rules and guides 😉
My best work is that which I cannot attribure any guidelines or rules to.
For new painters grasping the basic concepts of wc composition is advanced to be frank about it. Whether one’s thing is photography or painting it eventually will creep in and rightly so but it does not need to be made complicated. Very basic information about where our eye goes when we look at a painting can effectively be explained in a simplified way. It would make for a great tutorial but again it would be the next step. It is a way to improve a photograph or combine several elements of different objects in an organized way. Not everyone has a knack for creating compositional art but for those of us who do enjoy it, it is just a way of story telling with imagery. I personally use hyper realism and Impressionism but like any skill one would not want to put the cart before the horse so to speak and be overly concerned about all the skills at once. It’s overrated in many ways and too emphasized. Some past artists were lauded as “rule breakers “ but I just think they didn’t think of their art in that way like they were going rogue. It’s just ideas painted on watercolor paper or anywhere one scribbles😊
Yes, especially your last point makes so much sense to me 😊
The reality is often vastly different from the way the story is told / analyzed after the fact (:
Thank you Liron, I usually just paint 😀.
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Composition in painting is akin to composition in music, you wouldn't start playing a tune/ song at random and see how it turns out, you HAVE to arrange the notes and such.. same for painting, a painter SHOULD have the basic understanding of how to arrange elements within a painting so that the eye flows through it
That understanding you mention is not the result of following neat rules someone else made for you, but rather the result of your own experience.
The rules can be a starting point for exploration though, and that is perfectly fine, if one needs that.
As for music in particular, how many songs and masterpieces have begun by randomly playing around with tunes and ideas? I’d guess the number is significantly higher than 0, if you get what I’m saying (:
i can say that me personally never strive to measure a perfect composition, i usually just go with my senses, which formed during the process of studying art, composition guides, classical painting and etc. actually doing different kinds of things with too much thinking can result in less satisfying results. sometimes you need to turn off your brain really and just do things
btw i guess ignoring composition rules is sometimes about purposely breaking rules, but it usually seems to work for more experienced artists, cause if they know how it is constructed, they know how to beautifully deconstruct it
you know i just got ✨impression✨ of how overall good composition should look and try to implement it in my work
Yes I get that 100% 😊 I’m kind of the same.
By the way, I think even “purposely” breaking the rules, as a reactionary kind of logic, is yet another type of conformity. Whatever you resist persists
To me personally it’s far better, as you said, to not be reactionary at all, and simply go with my intuition / senses.
Liron...i completely understand your viewpoint...however fundamental of art usually gives tremendous importance to composition because there was no photography those days....for me i follow usually composition personally..at times if i like my vision i break the rule too. Each to hos own...as you said if you are bound by such rules you maynot really find your own style
Indeed my friend (:
Whatever works for you, in the very specific balance that comes naturally - is what will work best 🎨😊
I enjoyed this video. Personally, I hate rules. Rules are restricting. Shirley Trevena, a well known British artist, has books and videos about breaking them and I love her work. I think we should paint what we like to see, the way we like to see it. Things that attract us have a kind of proportional balance to them anyway and we instinctively like them and most likely will apply them to our art. No? If I want to stick my subject bang centre of the painting, I will stick it there! 😀
I love it! Agreed (:
Now that you mention it, the things I’m compelled to paint do have this beautiful inherent balance to them
@@LironYan I'm glad you agree. Shirley Trevena must be doing something right as she's Daniel Smith's UK ambassador.
Composition doesn't matter once one knows what composition is all about....
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I think it is helpful to understand the basics of composition, just to use them to help you improve your painting if you think it is lacking, but not to take them as gospel. The thing I find interesting is how the purveyors of composition theory always talk about guiding the eye through the painting. The reality is you can't, eye tracking experiments have show that eyes wander all over images and in no particular order or path, the only thing that's consistent is faces automatically attract attention right away.
Interesting! I have seen some conflicting researches than, that show you can lead it with generally decent consistency.
But perhaps my sources weren't good enough (:
My mom keeps telling what what must be tasty for me and what mustn't. "Don't put blue cheese in your soup; you're spoiling both products". I am more than 60 years old now. I will never learn good taste.
Haha yeah I know what you mean 😅 some parents really take that far
I do best “not thinking”. 😂
Same (:
I totally understand where your coming from but it doesnt apply to everyone as not everyone has that natural ability to know when something instinctively feels right to look at. Some people do need some of those so called ' rules' but should treat them as guidelines rather than strict rules
Perhaps, I can’t say I know for sure (:
But I think it’s still more akin to taste in food, which everyone has 😊
A lot of assumptions in this video about what was and wasn't an artists intent. This take falls in line with the student who masks lack of skill with "that's just my style".
The same thing can be said for all the “post mortem” analysis of art (:
A lot of assumptions there.
Unless I have documentation from the artist themselves, I won’t assume a thing.
This is not to say the artist’s experience doesn’t play a role. But experience is inherently personal.
But spelling does. 😊
Haha indeed 😂 I rarely misspell thumbnails but oh well.
I even have an excuse for those curious as to why I did this time.
I’m working on a PC that’s meant to connect directly to a router, and wifi isn’t its strong suit.
So the wifi stick I use tends to mess up any Bluetooth / stick devices also connected - such as my mouse and keyboard.
And this issue becomes worse during a vid’s upload. And guess what? My friggin keyboard keys sometimes register double. Which ends up with Matteer instead of matter, and other funny issues.
Oh well, this is too much information for most people 😂😂